*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

58 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

So far on eBay, sell through rate of 4090's is about 35-40% (versus near 100% in 2021 for scalped 3090's) and overall pricing on average is not far above MSRP after the initial day 1-2 rush (versus as the insane pricing of 2021).

 

It took my Microcenters 3-4 days to sell out of their initial batch of 4090s.

 

It is nowhere near like the Pandemic/Crypto days for scalpers.

 

Expect pricing to normalize sooner than later.

 

On the flip side, two KPE 3090ti's sold on eBay. One for new for $2900 and a used one for $2100 in the last few days.

 

 

 

 

 

I thought the same thing. I saw that the scalpers are hardly making any money. They are probably making about $150-$300 on each card after that 13% in PayPal and eBay fees together. I wouldn’t even bother my self. 
 

Your driving a fairly heavy resolution, so long as your GPU does fine with it. You’ll probably be okay. 
 

What wattage bios do you run anyways? I noticed some of the less demanding games can pull the most power when we turn up all of the eye candy. I played a game with my son “Sea of Thieves” we turned up the resolution slider to 250% my 3090KP was churning right through it, and it looked so nice compared to Xbox.  Then I checked and my 3090 was sucking down 630 watts of juice peak power. If I would have been on the standard 520 bios performance would have been throttled back and I would lose as much as 10+ fps. I have come across several games like this. 
 

You have that ultra wide 49” monitor right? 

 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The problem with watercooling SSDs and memory is the added complexity, cost and risk can easily outweigh the benefits. You're not going to water cool the M.2(s) installed under your GPU and you're going to add tremendous cost (i.e. extra fittings and plumbing) to the system, not to mention additional points for catastrophic failure to occur due to water leakage. If you want your system to look nice, forget about that. It will be a rat's nest of tubing. The only "right way" would be for the large M.2 heat sinks on today's systems to become one great big water block that cool all of them at once and has single inlet and outlet ports.

 

I was initially very resistant to the idea of water cooling memory, and would still be today, except for the EKWB water distribution manifold. That added two extra water lines to my system. It made it a lot easier, but more complex, more subject to mechanical failure, and less aesthetically pleasing. Had it not been for the EKWB manifold, I never would have considered doing it. Adding short runs of tubing between the RAM and CPU and GPU waterblocks would have just made a terrible mess that is a nightmare to work on and an eyesore to look at.

 

Even though I found a way to do it in a fairly elegant manner using that manifold, my preference would still be that the memory ran cool enough without having to remove the worthless garbage stock heat sinks to employ a complex and costly alternative. Because the companies that manufacture computer parts and charge lots of money for them frequently do things in a half-a$$ed manner we are left with finding solutions to the problems they create for us.

 

I also stop and think about how often NVMe/SSD thermal throttling has been a problem for me personally. I am unable to identify a point where it has ever been a problem, even on laptops I have owned. If it was, it wasn't severe enough that I noticed and I have never observed the temperatures go high enough for it to be a concern.

I have drawn up a few ways I am going to run the watercooled M.2, so this will be really neat and simplistic. I’ll show you want I mean when I’m done. Also, isn’t it annoying how hot the motherboard is below the GPU? It’s like a constant 50C+. It’s kinda frustrating it’s hotter than my GPU and CPU, it’s just always under a load or strain. Especially with a EVGA Dark motherboard, but I imagine other boards are the same way. I’m going to be eliminating that heat soak issue for good lol. Last but not least if it is just the worst thing ever, I can remove it and run it under the motherboards heat sink. 

[electrosoft]

6 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

I thought the same thing. I saw that the scalpers are hardly making any money. They are probably making about $150-$300 on each card after that 13% in PayPal and eBay fees together. I wouldn’t even bother my self. 
 

Your driving a fairly heavy resolution, so long as your GPU does fine with it. You’ll probably be okay. 
 

What wattage bios do you run anyways? I noticed some of the less demanding games can pull the most power when we turn up all of the eye candy. I played a game with my son “Sea of Thieves” we turned up the resolution slider to 250% my 3090KP was churning right through it, and it looked so nice compared to Xbox.  Then I checked and my 3090 was sucking down 630 watts of juice peak power. If I would have been on the standard 520 bios performance would have been throttled back and I would lose as much as 10+ fps. I have come across several games like this. 
 

You have that ultra wide 49” monitor right? 

 

I was just doing some testing the other night.

 

5120x1440 resolution on the Ultra wide which is less overall than 4k (7372800 vs 8294400 = ~13% less) but obviously 2x QHD.

 

Memory runs rock solid at up to +1250 for D2D use. +1350 for benchmarking.

 

+130 on clocks solid. +140-+150 for benching.

 

Avg game clock = 2205.

 

All stock BIOS.

 

Testing on the stock BIOS with slides maxed I'm seeing ~540w pull. I have hit some Vxxx limiting so switching over to the performance BIOS would maybe help a bit. XOC is obviously useless (or near to it)  in a Hybrid config.

 

And yeah I'm still test driving this 49" monstrosity lol......

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, cylix said:

Guys i need your help a little, probably ill build my desktop in the near future, after +10 year only mobile, im a little out of touch 😁. What i know for sure is that the case will be Lian li O11 Evo dynamic and the CPU 7900x.

What i need is help with choosing the PSU: Ideally i want a 1000w white one but didnt find any in EU or im to stupid 😄.

Right now i have on the list RM1000x, EVGA G6 and Seasonic GX 1000. What should i choose for the future RDNA 3 or RTX4xxx. Or is another that i should get. Didnt find any atx 3.0 right now. Im leaning on the Corsair right now.

 

LE: forgot about the be quiet Straight Power 11 1000w +80 platinium..any good?

Isn't the PSU on this case hidden in the side chamber behind the motherboard where you cannot see it or tell what color it is? If so, I am not sure why it would need to be white since it would not be visible except for the small square area on the rear panel where the cord plugs in. Unless it is positioned where you can see that, nobody would have any idea what color the PSU is.

[electrosoft]

Nice, solid review of the MSI Suprim Liquid X 4090. Definitely my favorite along side the Neptune and FE.

 

 

 

[cylix]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

If you're building from scratch, a build thread like @jaybee83 would be nice to see bro. 🙂

 

 

Will do yes when the times comes. 👍

 

[cylix]

46 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Isn't the PSU on this case hidden in the side chamber behind the motherboard where you cannot see it or tell what color it is? If so, I am not sure why it would need to be white since it would not be visible except for the small square area on the rear panel where the cord plugs in. Unless it is positioned where you can see that, nobody would have any idea what color the PSU is.

Indeed it is. Its just about the perfection, you know, feeling better when everything white is😂😂. Little quirkys😅. But I'll live with a black one aswell 👍

[tps3443]

45 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Nice, solid review of the MSI Suprim Liquid X 4090. Definitely my favorite along side the Neptune and FE.

 

 

 

Another nice RTX4090 for sure.

 

Honestly, I made it past launch. I was so close to getting a 4090 too by the time I rounded up some funds, they were sold out online, and no local stores are even near me. Micro Center is an almost 4.5 hour drive from me. The initial “Gotta have NOW” has come and gone for me. Now I feel content with my 3090 Kingpin HC again, because it is actually still crazy fast. Honestly, at this point I feel like it’s worth waiting for all of the 4090 AIB’s to settle in place and maybe even for the 4090Ti to release, it’ll be another 15-20% maybe. It looks like Nvidia saved some meat on the bone for a possible decent Ti model this go around.
 

I personally like the Strix 4090. It has grown on me so much. Originally I hated it lol. 
 

 

[jaybee83]

3 hours ago, cylix said:

Guys i need your help a little, probably ill build my desktop in the near future, after +10 year only mobile, im a little out of touch 😁. What i know for sure is that the case will be Lian li O11 Evo dynamic and the CPU 7900x.

What i need is help with choosing the PSU: Ideally i want a 1000w white one but didnt find any in EU or im to stupid 😄.

Right now i have on the list RM1000x, EVGA G6 and Seasonic GX 1000. What should i choose for the future RDNA 3 or RTX4xxx. Or is another that i should get. Didnt find any atx 3.0 right now. Im leaning on the Corsair right now.

 

LE: forgot about the be quiet Straight Power 11 1000w +80 platinium..any good?

 

awesome to see another mobile DTR bro switching to the fabled desktop land 😄 

u could maybe also go with an ROG Thor P2 1000W, its not white all around but has interesting bright accents:

 

can (almost) never go wrong with either Corsair or Seasonic for PSUs, with EVGA models currently being pretty brilliant bang-per-buck value.

 

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

So far on eBay, sell through rate of 4090's is about 35-40% (versus near 100% in 2021 for scalped 3090's) and overall pricing on average is not far above MSRP after the initial day 1-2 rush (versus as the insane pricing of 2021).

 

It took my Microcenters 3-4 days to sell out of their initial batch of 4090s.

 

It is nowhere near like the Pandemic/Crypto days for scalpers.

 

Expect pricing to normalize sooner than later.

 

On the flip side, two KPE 3090ti's sold on eBay. One for new for $2900 and a used one for $2100 in the last few days.

 

 

 

 

 

saner heads have prevailed....phew. this was an important lesson for scalpers that its not worth anymore to do it with gpus. maybe theyll now move on to sneakers or smth 😛 

 

28 minutes ago, cylix said:

Indeed it is. Its just about the perfection, you know, feeling better when everything white is😂😂. Little quirkys😅. But I'll live with a black one aswell 👍

 

no judgement here bud, were all a bit OCD one way or another. anyone who says otherwise is lying 😄 

 

12 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I personally like the Strix 4090. It has grown on me so much. Originally I hated it lol. 

 

you know, i dont like admitting that, but i kinda feel the same way. its not like I LOVE it now, design-wise, but it has also indeed grown on me, while i initially hated it. kinda like that taste of alcohol or cigarettes? 🤣 all acquired tastes (and nah, i dont smoke and barell ever drink anymore 😛 )

 

in any case though, i absolutely LOVE my Suprim X! 🥰😍

[Reciever]

Just scored 2x 5970's for 70 :) 

 

Most of the weekend went towards repasting/padding the GTX 295 and HD 4870x2

[tps3443]

Playing around with dyes. What have I done? I told my self I’d never do this again. 
 

 

 

[cylix]

@jaybee83 yeah i saw the rog thor aswell but is expensive like hell, almost 150 Euro as the Corsair, that many could go to some 3x120 vents or some Lian Li Stimmers 😁. Also i still need to get a GFX right now if i build the PC it will rock an EVGA 1660 till RDNA shows up  🤣

[cylix]

2 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Playing around with dyes. What have I done? I told my self I’d never do this again. 
 

 

 

[jaybee83]

27 minutes ago, cylix said:

@jaybee83 yeah i saw the rog thor aswell but is expensive like hell, almost 150 Euro as the Corsair, that many could go to some 3x120 vents or some Lian Li Stimmers 😁. Also i still need to get a GFX right now if i build the PC it will rock an EVGA 1660 till RDNA shows up  🤣

ure right my man, forgot to tell u that the Thor series is insanely expensive in comparison 😅

as for which gpu side to pick, if you can (unlike me) wait for it, let RDNA3 drop first and only then make the decision 🙂 that would be the strategic thing to do.

[tps3443]

3 days before Intel 13900K testing. I imagine that 5.8Ghz beast couldn’t come any sooner for people rocking RTX4090’s waiting with Z690 motherboards , with any resolution for that matter. Hard to believe we are finally cpu bottlenecked with 4K. 
 

I remember almost 10 years ago when the GTX Titan was barely managing 23 fps average across titles in 4K. The resolution was trying so hard to become a mainstream thing, but it wasn’t physically possible with even the fastest GPU in the world. 

[cylix]

9 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

ure right my man, forgot to tell u that the Thor series is insanely expensive in comparison 😅

as for which gpu side to pick, if you can (unlike me) wait for it, let RDNA3 drop first and only then make the decision 🙂 that would be the strategic thing to do.

Yes thats the plan ill wait for rdna 3 and then decide. Only if some miracle happens and ill find a 3090 for 500 euro ill bite😂😂😂. I was really thinking to buy an arc 770 and give iy a try test it and if its shit send it back.. But intel did only a paper launch.. Therr isnt any arc 750 770 to buy..

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, cylix said:

Yes thats the plan ill wait for rdna 3 and then decide. Only if some miracle happens and ill find a 3090 for 500 euro ill bite😂😂😂. I was really thinking to buy an arc 770 and give iy a try test it and if its shit send it back.. But intel did only a paper launch.. Therr isnt any arc 750 770 to buy..

wouldve been an awesome way to pass the waiting time, getting to know Arc in depth and providing tons of info to the community here :) too bad theres nothing available...

[jaybee83]

btw guys, preliminary review on the 13900K, apparently some lucky dude ordered one online and they actually send it out to him 😄

 

 

[cylix]

 

[Etern4l]

6 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

btw guys, preliminary review on the 13900K, apparently some lucky dude ordered one online and they actually send it out to him 😄

 

 

 

Fun, but ultimatley close to worthless video, even if not fake - yes, if you are GPU limited a faster CPU won't help average FPS much🙂 Just 3 more days to real benchmarks people!

 

This will turn out to be a good upgrade for both professional applications and enthusiast gaming. A healthy boost in clocks plus the 60% increase in L2 cache size (and potentially the stock 5600Mhz DDR5 support) should translate to meaningful improvements. I am just a bit worried about the L3 cache.  Unfortunately, with the likely 5 month+ gap between this and the KS, a purchase will be hard to resist especially for those in an urgent need of a CPU power boost.

[Mr. Fox]

Dufus should have run things like wPrime, Cinebench and Blender for CPU testing. 3DMark benchmarks and games aren't great ways to measure CPU performance. Seems like he wasted the opportunity to test the pre-launch CPU the way he approached it.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Dufus should have run things like wPrime, Cinebench and Blender for CPU testing. 3DMark benchmarks and games aren't great ways to measure CPU performance. Seems like he wasted the opportunity to test the pre-launch CPU the way he approached it.

 

Yeah, I saw the video when it posted last night and didn't deem it worthy of posting.

 

He does go out of his way to state if you're in to productivity of course the additional e-cores (and frequency) will be a big boost but his focus is on games and system optimizations thereof. I would have liked to have seen a CB23 run at least with vcore, package, heat , scores, frequency and all that good stuff we love here. 🙂

 

I took it as more of a "first look" like video and he is comparing his on site, heavily tweaked, fully optimized 12900k god bin chip he has had for nearly a year vs a new, off the shelf 13900k that he is testing remotely on a beta or early revision 13th gen bios.

 

Still fun to watch though.

 

 

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, cylix said:

 

 

Every time I see a Strix 4090 video it grows on me more and more but that $2k price....

 

 

[electrosoft]

New EVGA CLC AIOs

 

360mm = $300

280mm = $270

240mm = $250

 

https://www.evga.com/articles/01585/evga-clx-series/

 

[Clamibot]

39 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Dufus should have run things like wPrime, Cinebench and Blender for CPU testing. 3DMark benchmarks and games aren't great ways to measure CPU performance. Seems like he wasted the opportunity to test the pre-launch CPU the way he approached it.

 

To be fair, Jufes primary focus is gaming performance, but even then I think the performance results are a bit skewed. Video streaming is going to reduce your framerate a bit, and testing with a 4090 would allow more room for the CPU to show us what it's made of. The BIOS used is also an early revision.

 

Essentially there are multiple things culminating in the testing conditions being suboptimal vs his testing with the 12900K. The fact there is still a 1% gain despite all of that suggests the actual gains should be significantly higher.

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

New EVGA CLC AIOs

 

360mm = $300

280mm = $270

240mm = $250

 

https://www.evga.com/articles/01585/evga-clx-series/

 

Wouldnt mind EVGA shoving Corsair out of the spaces they current inhabit, seems like that is the direction they might be headed.