*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I don’t know if this is any good or not. But here goes. R23 10 minute run so far. Power is like 340 watts max. Definitely toasty on the temps! Lol. Much toastier than I’m use to anyways.

 

5.8 P-Cores @1.315V

4.5 E-Cores

4.7 Ring/Cache

Samsung B-Die DDR5@ 6400

 

Nice results. Could you post a 10 min run and also have Package power in the screenshot?

30 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Corsair Vengeance 6000 kits can come with B-die or Hynix M-die. I included that kit with the mobo and he has it overclocked to 6400. The PMIC is locked to 1.435V, so 6400 is the highest I could get that kit to run. If the PMIC were not capped I suspect they would run 6800. Performance at 6400 was basically identical to Hynix at 6400.

Many got better memory oc results with Raptor lake. Many with ram problems, this was much due Alder lake (1th gen with DDR5). New platform as you know. And Intel continue improve it. So results should be better with 13th gen. 

[johnksss]

1 minute ago, Papusan said:

Nice results. Could you post a 10 min run and also have Package power in the screenshot?

Many got better memory oc results with Raptor lake. Many with ram problems, this was much due Alder lake (1th gen with DDR5). New platform as you know. And Intel continue improve it. So results should be better with 13th gen. 

13 Gen was a definite uptick in memory overclocking. I went from 6800 to 7200 just swapping the cpu.

 

 

In other news...

 

[Etern4l]

7 hours ago, johnksss said:

My new ram! And no that is not stable. 😁

 

 

Are you using a contact frame?

 

How is your Thermaltake GF3 doing?

[johnksss]

14 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Are you using a contact frame?

 

How is your Thermaltake GF3 doing?

Yes, I'm using contact frame.

As for power it seems nice, but not sure if I here coil wine from it or the board when running aida64 mem test.

[Etern4l]

55 minutes ago, johnksss said:

As for power it seems nice, but not sure if I here coil wine from it or the board when running aida64 mem test.

 

Ha, interesting - I can hear this too with the MEG ACE and an old battle-tested tank TT ToughPower 1200. I would bet a bit more on the board here. RAM draws relatively very little power, and AIDA is not that power hungry. Only ever happens in Aida Memtest and the system has been performing flawlessly otherwise (under heavy RAM load I think) so IDC. Def a bit weird though.

[tps3443]

6 hours ago, johnksss said:

Ah, ok.

 

I just typed in 6400 in bios and it seems to actually be stable. No typing in extra supporting voltages or anything like that. I’m waiting on my faster ram. I think it’ll be here tomorrow. 

[Papusan]

Nvidia found a new way to help its AIB partners to raise prices/keep them highest possible for 4000 series cards. So Nvidia don't have to rely on miners anymore. Rumors yep, but we know how Nvidia works and what's their goal. High prices/shortage of 4000 graphics cards will undoubtedly also help Nvidia and partners to get rid of the old stuff (3000 series chips).Big win in all ways (for nvidia), but not for the gamers nvidia was so concerned about. AMD need to push out their next gen cards... Now. 

NVIDIA Allegedly Shifts GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming GPU Production To Hopper H100 AI GPUs

NVIDIA Prioritizes Hopper H100 AI GPU Production Over GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming GPU, Ada Stock Drying Up Everywhere.

 

In a rumor by MyDrivers, it is reported that NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4090 gaming graphics card has been in high demand but despite that, the company has decided to shift its production capacities to meet the demand for Hopper H100 AI GPUs which are a more lucrative business for the chip-maker at the moment.

 

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Colorful RTX 4090 iGame Neptune has max TGP at 630W, highest from any RTX 4090 GPU videocardz.com

 

The iGame Neptune from Colorful has the highest maximum power setting from all RTX 4090 GPUs. 

Nearly all RTX 4090 cards have higher max TGP (Total Graphics Power) for overclocking. There are models which have sub-500W TGP (ZOTAC), but the vast majority of GPUs goes higher. There are, in fact, models that go all the way up to 600W (NVIDIA Founders Edition, ASUS ROG Strix or Gigabyte Gaming). However, none of the card thus far has reached higher, that’s until Neptune was announced.

 

 

[Etern4l]

Just now, Papusan said:

Nvidia found a new way to help its AIB partners to raise prices/keep them highest possible for 4000 series cards. So Nvidia don't have to rely on miners anymore. Rumors yep, but we know how Nvidia works and what's their goal..

NVIDIA Allegedly Shifts GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming GPU Production To Hopper H100 AI GPUs

NVIDIA Prioritizes Hopper H100 AI GPU Production Over GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming GPU, Ada Stock Drying Up Everywhere.

 

In a rumor by MyDrivers, it is reported that NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4090 gaming graphics card has been in high demand but despite that, the company has decided to shift its production capacities to meet the demand for Hopper H100 AI GPUs which are a more lucrative business for the chip-maker at the moment.

 

 

 

Yep, looks like roughly the same chip with 3.3x the faster HMB2 RAM + PCie 5, and the card is going for a $11k $33k scalped introductory price. His Majesty Jensen I is just following the money, as you would.

[tps3443]

How is this latency so far? I heard it was improved from 12th gen, but I wouldn't really know. Just XMP and 6400

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Colorful RTX 4090 iGame Neptune has max TGP at 630W, highest from any RTX 4090 GPU videocardz.com

 

The iGame Neptune from Colorful has the highest maximum power setting from all RTX 4090 GPUs. 

Nearly all RTX 4090 cards have higher max TGP (Total Graphics Power) for overclocking. There are models which have sub-500W TGP (ZOTAC), but the vast majority of GPUs goes higher. There are, in fact, models that go all the way up to 600W (NVIDIA Founders Edition, ASUS ROG Strix or Gigabyte Gaming). However, none of the card thus far has reached higher, that’s until Neptune was announced.

It is unfortunate that it is white, that Colorful GPUs are seldom found for sale in the US, only the GPU core is actively cooled (RAM and power rely on passive cooling) and the pump is located inside of the block rather than on the radiator.  I suspect it is overpriced on top of having some fairly glaring bad design decisions.  

40 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

How is this latency so far? I heard it was improved from 12th gen, but I wouldn't really know. Just XMP and 6400

Latency is too high. XMP profiles always suck at performance. I am not sure why they exist. (Actually I do know, but it is very condescending toward a particular demographic, so I will keep that opinion to myself even though it is accurate.)

 

Read my review on the product and try some of the settings I show there.

 

https://extremehw.net/all-reviews/corsair-vengeance-rgb-ddr5-6000-32gb-memory-review/

 

You can also try the motherboards custom memory overclocking profiles. Chances are good they will perform better than an XMP profile.

 

When you get SK Hynix RAM, this review and the associated video might make it easier to jump in without a lot of trial and error. Every SK Hynix kit I have owned has behaved nearly identical with only minor variances in the max overclock limit based on silicon lottery.

 

https://extremehw.net/all-reviews/sabrent-rocket-ddr5-16gb-u-dimm-review/

  

11 hours ago, johnksss said:

Samsung B-Die?

11 hours ago, johnksss said:

Ah, ok.

Yeah, I had no idea either. When I received that kit from Corsair for review I was like "huh? what?" It performed well enough until the voltage cap whas exhausted. I really don't like RGB memory and would deliberately go out of my way to avoid it, and pay a little extra for RAM that is not downgraded by RGB (even though you usually pay more for that fancy stupid gamerboy disadvantage). That being said, it is the most attactive RGB kit I have seen before. I think it looks better than the Dominator modules.

[electrosoft]

11 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I don’t know if this is any good or not. But here goes. R23 10 minute run so far. Power is like 340 watts max. Definitely toasty on the temps! Lol. Much toastier than I’m use to anyways.

 

5.8 P-Cores @1.315V

4.5 E-Cores

4.7 Ring/Cache

Corsair Vengeance DDR5@ 6400

 

 

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Yeah, those temps are great. Seeing what they are, I would not delid that CPU. It runs cooler than my 12900K and 12900KS (both delidded) despite running much higher clocks. Maybe Intel figured out how to do the soldering right to eliminate the need to delid.

 

Corsair Vengeance 6000 kits can come with B-die or Hynix M-die. I included that kit with the mobo and he has it overclocked to 6400. The PMIC is locked to 1.435V, so 6400 is the highest I could get that kit to run. If the PMIC were not capped I suspect they would run 6800. Performance at 6400 was basically identical to Hynix at 6400.

 

Pouring over results on several forums, @tps3443 looks like you got what I would say is at least an SP108+ class chip. If the IMC turns out to be a keeper too, you're one and done bro, good job!

 

 

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Nvidia found a new way to help its AIB partners to raise prices/keep them highest possible for 4000 series cards. So Nvidia don't have to rely on miners anymore. Rumors yep, but we know how Nvidia works and what's their goal. High prices/shortage of 4000 graphics cards will undoubtedly also help Nvidia and partners to get rid of the old stuff (3000 series).Big win in all ways (for nvidia), but not for the gamers nvidia was so concerned about. AMD need to push out their next gen cards... Now. 

NVIDIA Allegedly Shifts GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming GPU Production To Hopper H100 AI GPUs

NVIDIA Prioritizes Hopper H100 AI GPU Production Over GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming GPU, Ada Stock Drying Up Everywhere.

 

In a rumor by MyDrivers, it is reported that NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4090 gaming graphics card has been in high demand but despite that, the company has decided to shift its production capacities to meet the demand for Hopper H100 AI GPUs which are a more lucrative business for the chip-maker at the moment.

 

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Colorful RTX 4090 iGame Neptune has max TGP at 630W, highest from any RTX 4090 GPU videocardz.com

 

The iGame Neptune from Colorful has the highest maximum power setting from all RTX 4090 GPUs. 

Nearly all RTX 4090 cards have higher max TGP (Total Graphics Power) for overclocking. There are models which have sub-500W TGP (ZOTAC), but the vast majority of GPUs goes higher. There are, in fact, models that go all the way up to 600W (NVIDIA Founders Edition, ASUS ROG Strix or Gigabyte Gaming). However, none of the card thus far has reached higher, that’s until Neptune was announced.

 

 

 

There's no downside for Nvidia to shift capacity. Fill the more lucrative market  with 4000 dies while continuing to shed Ampere cards which are finally and really drying up in the upper 3000 range (3080-3090ti). With the holidays upon us, people will buy what is available. Nvidia is doing what I would expect any corporation to do and that is to maximize profits over consumer desires / requirements.

 

Hopefully AMD will bring the heat. Based off of sheer architectural improvements / CU counts / clocks / Interface , the 7000 series is shaping up to be a raster monster that will out perform the 4090 at least on that level and even a 4090ti.

 

If so, Nvidia will be forced to continue to hard press their "other advantages" namely DLSS3 and RT as the 7000 series looks to have made huge inroads in RT performance but only to the level of a 3080-3090 class.

 

As for the Colorful RTX 4090, still my favorite. I would never pay the coin to import one but it would be the type of design to push me to do an all white build. I will be doing an all white build for my daughter who wants to follow suit with her fiance who I finished his "more common sense" build (IE, what can my wallet support) and is as expected destroying his 4810/970m laptop performance. He wanted an all black build though.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Spoiler Alert:

I decided to do something constructive. When the 3060 Ti block and other parts arrive and I have time to tinker, I am going to be moving Banshee to an external cooling solution like Wraith. Both of the high quality internal radiators will be offered for sale in the forum marketplace.

 

Having radiators inside of the chassis traps too much heat. This became glaringly evident with an air-cooled GPU, which is kind of an engineering abortion in its own way... does exactly the same thing as the radiators do, only worse. (I didn't realize having air cooling on a GPU sucks so much.)

 

Under load it gets 20°C hotter with the side panel on that it does with no side panel, and blowing hot air onto everything is kind of stupid when you stop and think about it. "Hey computer parts! Enjoy this hot air. Love you guys." LOL

 

 

[tps3443]

R23 (30 Minute run)

 

5.8 P-cores

4.5 E-Cores

4.8 Cache/Ring

 

For some reason the forum is limiting my attachments to 282Kb lol. Clicking on the image helps quality some. 
 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Just now, tps3443 said:

R23 (30 Minute run)

 

5.8 P-cores

4.5 E-Cores

4.8 Cache/Ring

 

For some reason the forum is limiting my attachments to 200Kb lol. So no screenshots here. 

imgur is your friend... it also helps maintain image quality

[Papusan]

13 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Pouring over results on several forums, @tps3443 looks like you got what I would say is at least an SP108+ class chip. If the IMC turns out to be a keeper too, you're one and done bro, good job!

Here's how an SP97 chips looks.

[Reciever]

7 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

R23 (30 Minute run)

 

5.8 P-cores

4.5 E-Cores

4.8 Cache/Ring

 

For some reason the forum is limiting my attachments to 200Kb lol. So no screenshots here. 

Your early attachments were 2-3MB each, may want to look at those. You have a limit of 50MB like most others on the forum.

[tps3443]

10 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Your early attachments were 2-3MB each, may want to look at those. You have a limit of 50MB like most others on the forum.

Is it a daily limit that for each user maybe?

 

 

 

 

 

UPDATE:

 

 

This is the real screen shot. 
 

[electrosoft]

5 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Is it a daily limit?

 

 

 

 

 

UPDATE:

 

 

This is the real screen shot. 
 

 

 

Yeah, you have to manage attachments. I routinely hit the limit and just go delete earlier ones along with mixing in some hosting now.

 

12 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Here's how an SP97 chips looks.

 

 

Yep, still stand by my early assessment of @tps3443 chip. He needs a dirt cheap Z690  Prime-A to at least get a real idea.

 

@tps3443  does the MSI Unify do force ratings or no?

 

 

[Reciever]

8 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Is it a daily limit?

 

 

 

 

 

UPDATE:

 

 

This is the real screen shot. 
 

No, which is why I notated your earlier submissions that were 2-3MB each, each member has 50MB as of right now.

 

No ads and paying out of pocket means we have to keep things kind of lean :) 

[Mr. Fox]

23 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Is it a daily limit?

 

 

 

UPDATE:

This is the real screen shot. 

This will help with annoying distractions and screenshot artifacts.

  

13 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

He needs a dirt cheap Z690  Prime-A to at least get a real idea.

Unless something has recently changed, he will need a ROG board. Prime motherboards do not show the SP rating unless they added that with Z590 or Z690. It would be nice if the nitwits at ASUS actually listed this in their product specifications and features.

 

It's definitely nice to know for the sake of conversation or resale value, but it's not a need to know and it doesn't change anything whatsoever. You either got lucky or you got screwed. All you need to know is shown to you in the way your system behaves and it is obvious @tps3443has an excellent CPU sample. As @Clamibotknows, SP-rating can be misleading if you place too much stock in it for the same reason ASIC rating was often misleading on GeFarts GPUs when it was popular for gamer kids to obsess over it.

[tps3443]

1 minute ago, Reciever said:

No, which is why I notated your earlier submissions that were 2-3MB each, each member has 50MB as of right now.

 

No ads and paying out of pocket means we have to keep things kind of lean 🙂

Oh it’s fantastic! I’m just still figuring things out is all. 😎

[Papusan]

23 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Is it a daily limit that for each user maybe?

 

 

 

 

 

UPDATE:

 

 

This is the real screen shot. 
 

Thanks. Is this with the chiller? And what with vcore?

13 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

Yeah, you have to manage attachments. I routinely hit the limit and just go delete earlier ones along with mixing in some hosting now.

 

 

 

Yep, still stand by my early assessment of @tps3443 chip. He needs a dirt cheap Z690  Prime-A to at least get a real idea.

 

@tps3443  does the MSI Unify do force ratings or no?

 

 

A chiller would reduce the temps and power consumption (the exampla I posted is done with a custom water setup). Should be a bigger difference between Sp108 and Sp97. But we still don't know about the leakage and the sub Sp scores.

[Talon]

My local MC go ta shipment this morning, ran over and grabbed my third 13900K LOL. SOLD the SP99 to my brother instead of returning to MC. I refunded the replacement plans on it and my SP106 chip. Got an SP101 chip this time, luckily it's extremely weighted towards the P cores with kinda crap E cores. Perfectly good for me, can run it at stock 5.5ghz all cores with a 280mm AIO and graphite pad and still not thermal throttle at stock in CB23 which was my goal for this rig. Now I'll finally use real Gelid Extreme on it and get to tuning it. The SP99 was fine and would have been fine under real paste for daily loads, but this chip definitely has some much improved P cores. 

 

$569 is a very reasonable price for this insane chip. AMD is out of their minds with the 7000 series. 

[johnksss]

8 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Ha, interesting - I can hear this too with the MEG ACE and an old battle-tested tank TT ToughPower 1200. I would bet a bit more on the board here. RAM draws relatively very little power, and AIDA is not that power hungry. Only ever happens in Aida Memtest and the system has been performing flawlessly otherwise (under heavy RAM load I think) so IDC. Def a bit weird though.

Could be, but it seems to only do it during that test. I will have to quiet things down and really listen when i get a chance.

5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I just typed in 6400 in bios and it seems to actually be stable. No typing in extra supporting voltages or anything like that. I’m waiting on my faster ram. I think it’ll be here tomorrow. 

Try 6600 and see what happens.

[electrosoft]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

This will help with annoying distractions and screenshot artifacts.

  

Unless something has recently changed, he will need a ROG board. Prime motherboards do not show the SP rating unless they added that with Z590 or Z690. It would be nice if the nitwits at ASUS actually listed this in their product specifications and features.

 

It's definitely nice to know for the sake of conversation or resale value, but it's not a need to know and it doesn't change anything whatsoever. You either got lucky or you got screwed. All you need to know is shown to you in the way your system behaves and it is obvious @tps3443has an excellent CPU sample. As @Clamibotknows, SP-rating can be misleading if you place too much stock in it for the same reason ASIC rating was often misleading on GeFarts GPUs when it was popular for gamer kids to obsess over it.

 

Since Z590, Prime-A boards do SP ratings. I used a Z590-A prime a bit just for SP ratings on 10th and 11th.

 

20 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Thanks. Is this with the chiller? And what with vcore?

A chiller would reduce the temps and power consumption (the exampla I posted is done with a custom water setup). Should be a bigger difference between Sp108 and Sp97. But we still don't know about the leakage and the sub Sp scores.

 

I agree his extreme cooling will definitely factor in and this early on data will continue to come in changing the landscape (as we've seen even with Asus themselves as they re-formulate their SP rating algorithms in subsequent BIOS updates and SP ratings can and will change), but remember SP108 is better than average but not a high golden.