*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Looks like the upcoming AMD flagship is going to be a the 7900XTX not 7950XT....

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rumored-to-launch-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-graphics-card

 

Look at those uplifts to SPs, bus and bandwidth.....

 

Considering the 6900xt was equal or better than the 3090 at 1080p and 1440p and was hanging in there at 4k I'm expecting a monster from AMD for raster at least...

 

The 7950 branding is for the mid cycle upgrade on same arch (same as 4090 ti branding over vanilla xx90). And a chance for AMD to charge more. I hope AMD can have their best cards price point on 3080 level from Nvidia. Aka top out at 1200$ at max. Or 400$ below a4090. If the performance was around the same I think this would kick nvidia hard in the nuts. A 4090 Ti wouldn't help Nvidia from loosing sales of 4090 or 4080. Only a price reduction can save them. I think 4080 live dangerous with its price point. Nvidia should never ever put the high price tag for this card.

[cylix]

If they are smart i think a price of 1500 1600 for the RDNA 3 Flagship will bring loads of people in AMDs house, they have now the chance, but it think they will be greedy like with am5 ..😑

[johnksss]

Damn. got a SP99 this time.

[Mr. Fox]

42 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Hopefully good stuff on the 13th gen....

 

And just a dud (ish) MB for memory then. Harkens back to the early days of Z690 fishing through motherboards and lamenting the lack of a 2 slot DDR4 motherboard.

 

Post by Sugi regarding SP bug reports:

 

 

I'm still on 1601 as I haven't found a reason to update but if/when a 13th gen chip miraculously wills itself into existence for my D4, I'll make sure to upgrade. 😉

Everything remained the same with my SP rating after the firmware update. I was even able to import my saved BIOS profile with all of the old settings without error, so that was a real time-saver.

 

I flashed from 1504 to 2103. I totally skipped 2004 and had no issues.

[electrosoft]

29 minutes ago, Papusan said:

The 7950 branding is for the mid cycle upgrade on same arch (same as 4090 ti branding). And a chance for AMD to charge more. I hope AMD can have their best cards price point on 3080 level from Nvidia. Aka top out at 1200$ at max. Or 400$ below a4090. If the performance was around the same I think this would kick nvidia hard in the nuts. A 4090 Ti wouldn't help Nvidia from loosing sales of 4090 or 4080. Only a price reduction can save them. I think 4080 live dangerous with its price point. Nvidia should never ever put the high price tag for this card.

 

Hey, maybe we'll get a better binned RDNA3 mid cycle called the 7900XTXTX where they can charge more for it again yet it will basically be the same.

 

6 minutes ago, cylix said:

If they are smart i think a price of 1500 1600 for the RDNA 3 Flagship will bring loads of people in AMDs house, they have now the chance, but it think they will be greedy like with am5 ..😑

 

I agree. If the 7900XTX is the monster it is rumored to be on paper, I am expecting AMD to dethrone Nvidia in pure performance and Nvidia will have to double down on the benefits of RT and DLSS in regards to performance metrics.

 

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Everything remained the same with my SP rating after the firmware update. I was even able to import my saved BIOS profile with all of the old settings without error, so that was a real time-saver.

 

Nice, now all we need is the silicon lottery to come through....

 

@tps3443 your MSI board has Force rating, so with Sugi giving some context with his chip versus another ho hum chip, you can at least get some rating context of your 13900k. Lower the rating the better.... (Sugi = 108, Ho hum = 144).

 

 

[Talon]

33 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Damn. got a SP99 this time.

Curious how it will perform with adequate cooling. Leaky chip might end up being decent with good cooling. 
 

My local MC are selling 13900K like hot cakes. Launch day 25+ gone by end of day. Then another shipment of 25+ plus yesterday all gone. Of course I took 4 of them haha. Still that is pretty good movement of a halo chip. 

[johnksss]

1 minute ago, Talon said:

Curious how it will perform with adequate cooling. Leaky chip might end up being decent with good cooling. 

I'm definitely going to test it, that's for sure. It booted 7600MT no problems on the Strix. P108E81

[Mr. Fox]

On 10/23/2022 at 11:44 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Spoiler Alert:

I decided to do something constructive. When the 3060 Ti block and other parts arrive and I have time to tinker, I am going to be moving Banshee to an external cooling solution like Wraith. Both of the high quality internal radiators will be offered for sale in the forum marketplace.

Hasn't shipped yet...

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Hey, maybe we'll get a better binned RDNA3 mid cycle called the 7900XTXTX where they can charge more for it again yet it will basically be the same.

 

 

I agree. If the 7900XTX is the monster it is rumored to be on paper, I am expecting AMD to dethrone Nvidia in pure performance and Nvidia will have to double down on the benefits of RT and DLSS in regards to performance metrics.

 

 

Nice, now all we need is the silicon lottery to come through....

 

@tps3443 your MSI board has Force rating, so with Sugi giving some context with his chip versus another ho hum chip, you can at least get some rating context of your 13900k. Lower the rating the better.... (Sugi = 108, Ho hum = 144).

 

 

|UPDATED|

 

Ohhhhhh! A cool fancy feature. 
 

Let’s see.

 

Drum roll please.

 

 

My Ho-Hum is= 132

 

upload pic

 

 

@johnksss

 

What is your Ho-Hum rating? 

[tps3443]

23 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Hasn't shipped yet...

Thats awesome. What you get for the money there, it is just a crazy good value. The Nexxxos 1080x45 performs great. Plus, that enclosure includes feet as well. I don’t have the enclosure. But I’ve been wanting to

get one and move my radiator off from my test bench. 
 

Make sure you flush it out good, mine was full of crud when I first got it. Nothing crazy by any means, but a few small black specs you gotta really shake the heck out of it and flush a few times is all. 

[Mr. Fox]

29 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Ohhhhhh! A cool fancy feature. 
Let’s see.

Drum roll please.

My Ho-Hum= 134

 

@johnksss

 

What is your Ho-Hum rating? 

It would be interesting to know how to translate that against an ASUS SP rating, or if doing so is even feasible due to lack of data to validate the conversion. 

@johnkssswhat is your MSI "CPU Force 2" rating?

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, Talon said:

 

😄 He's getting a factory sealed 13900K haha. It was staring at me on the desk last night, mocking me saying how it's an SP120. 🤪 Shipped it off to him this morning, he should have it Thursday according to the nice lady at the front desk. 

 

lulz, knowing Fox OF COURSE hes gonna get smth like an SP150, the cpu wouldnt dare not to be good 😄 

 

4 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

About the fan splitters I found this one too.

 

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077YHLDSP

 

I was about to buy something like this  but since the mobo headers can take 2x Noctua NF-A12's I left the idea of having such, maybe If I need to use Noctua PPC Industrial like @Papusan It would be handy. 

 

Personally I do not like to have Corsair or any other controllers which rely on the software esp RGB junk mandates such controllers. Just mobo should be handling this at low level without any OS or Software dependency, so options are good to have.

 

 

 

 

Nvidia is a trash company.

Experimenting always with every damn generation be it SW / HW / Uber trash pricing rip off BS.

 

Initial leaks on Radeon RDNA3 PCB showed the usual tried and tested rock solid 8-Pin power connectors for GPU and not this one. Gotta see what AMD will unleash, I bet their GPUs are much more efficient than Nvidia's 600W GPUs with melting power connectors.

 

Legit this stuff is brand new shiny and appealing to many but the new ATX 3.0 PSU standard (Still not popular and only handful exist that too with compromises) and the new GPU 12VHPWR hamfisted power connector standard atop of the new PCIe5.0 SSDs, DDR5. Too much new stuff. I'd rather stick to old (which is what I did at-least 1/2 way) and move to new when it comes a standard and not be a guinea pig to these companies.

 

With Intel LGA1700 need to buy an aftermarket CPU retention bracket to stop bending the damn mobo and CPU, with Nvidia buy 90 Degree aftermarket power connectors to stop a fire hazard that could burn your home / PC and pray it doesn't break.

 

PCIe5.0 SSDs are still damn 1-2TB and 4TB max (exorbitant pricing incoming) and they will offer extreme prices too for basically nothing. PCIe4.0 SSD drives were super expensive for a whole year at rip off pricing.

 

 

 

damn dude, first thing i just did was triple check the bend on my 16 pin connector 😅

 

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

lol, it might end up like @Mr. Fox when he shipped that brand new 11900k to @tps3443 and he ended up with an absolute god tier 11900k....

 

 

 

I keep 2 or 3 fan splitters on hand at all times. I have a large bin labeled, "PC buildout gunk" and it is stuffed with fans, hubs, splitters, GPU stand offs, all types of esoteric cabling and more....

 

As for AMD, just looking at the gains from RDNA to RDNA2 along with the sheer increase in CUs alone from RDNA2 to RDNA3, I'm expecting great things.

 

 

That's the luck of the motherboard with Z690 DDR4. As a test, have you tried going into G2 to eliminate the CPU as the potential bottleneck and see how far you can push your DDR4? Does it still cap at 4000? I know my board can push 4200+ and I run it rock solid at 4133 daily but I still didn't go in there yet and test it in G2 just to see where the memory/motherboard gives up the ghost.

 

 

 

yep, signs are good for uncle Fox to get his godtier 13900K 😁

 

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Looks like the upcoming AMD flagship is going to be a the 7900XTX not 7950XT....

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rumored-to-launch-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-graphics-card

 

Look at those uplifts to SPs, bus and bandwidth.....

 

Considering the 6900xt was equal or better than the 3090 at 1080p and 1440p and was hanging in there at 4k I'm expecting a monster from AMD for raster at least...

 

 

holy guacamole, that SP increase is absolutely insane, 2.4x!!! 😮 ngl, if it turns out to beat the 4090 ill be the first to cheer AMD on, NGreedia needs a lesson in humility!

 

2 hours ago, johnksss said:

Damn. got a SP99 this time.

 

dont u worry bud, in your hands such things turn out to be SP1000 rated compared to us others 😄 

 

1 hour ago, Talon said:

Curious how it will perform with adequate cooling. Leaky chip might end up being decent with good cooling. 
 

My local MC are selling 13900K like hot cakes. Launch day 25+ gone by end of day. Then another shipment of 25+ plus yesterday all gone. Of course I took 4 of them haha. Still that is pretty good movement of a halo chip. 

 

fun fact that wasnt mentioned a lot: the 7950X was actually the only Zen 4 chip that sold like hot cakes, as well. only the lower tier chips didnt find a lot of buyers.

 

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

I'm definitely going to test it, that's for sure. It booted 7600MT no problems on the Strix. P108E81

 

see? toldcha 😄 and so it begins...

[Talon]

@Mr. Fox not sure if you've been following the 13th gen/13900K issues on Z690 Dark. Basically can't train anything over 7200 CL32 and various other issues. But it seems their BIOS engineer has finally got it ironed out and we should be getting our new BIOS today or sometime early this week. It's currently being tested. 

 

 

8500 DDR5 CL34 🙌 Looks like Z690 Dark is going to be ab absolute unit with 13900K. 

[tps3443]

I reset my bios, and tried MSI FORCE2 again, I got a 132 three times in a row. I have seen some people with 150-160 on their FORCE2 rating. 
 

I’m just glad to see another brand offering some type of tool to check. 
 

Curious to hear @johnksss FORCE2 rating. 
 

PS: My chip is looking far better today for some weird reason! I am achieving some really good looking clocks with very low power numbers. 

[tps3443]

5.8Ghz P-Cores
4.5Ghz E-Cores
4.7Ghz Ring/Cache

Max Power= 303 watts.

I remounted my CPU, re-set my bios as well. This was also a VERY OLD windows, that has been stacked on top of over and over. So I got that situated as well. Last but not least, I reduced the voltage down to 1.275V in the bios


 

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

About the fan splitters I found this one too.

 

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077YHLDSP

 

I was about to buy something like this  but since the mobo headers can take 2x Noctua NF-A12's I left the idea of having such, maybe If I need to use Noctua PPC Industrial like @Papusan It would be handy. 

 

Personally I do not like to have Corsair or any other controllers which rely on the software esp RGB junk mandates such controllers. Just mobo should be handling this at low level without any OS or Software dependency, so options are good to have.

 

 

 

 

Nvidia is a trash company.

Experimenting always with every damn generation be it SW / HW / Uber trash pricing rip off BS.

 

Initial leaks on Radeon RDNA3 PCB showed the usual tried and tested rock solid 8-Pin power connectors for GPU and not this one. Gotta see what AMD will unleash, I bet their GPUs are much more efficient than Nvidia's 600W GPUs with melting power connectors.

 

Legit this stuff is brand new shiny and appealing to many but the new ATX 3.0 PSU standard (Still not popular and only handful exist that too with compromises) and the new GPU 12VHPWR hamfisted power connector standard atop of the new PCIe5.0 SSDs, DDR5. Too much new stuff. I'd rather stick to old (which is what I did at-least 1/2 way) and move to new when it comes a standard and not be a guinea pig to these companies.

 

With Intel LGA1700 need to buy an aftermarket CPU retention bracket to stop bending the damn mobo and CPU, with Nvidia buy 90 Degree aftermarket power connectors to stop a fire hazard that could burn your home / PC and pray it doesn't break.

 

PCIe5.0 SSDs are still damn 1-2TB and 4TB max (exorbitant pricing incoming) and they will offer extreme prices too for basically nothing. PCIe4.0 SSD drives were super expensive for a whole year at rip off pricing.

 

 

Here's from Jayz... We will see what nvidia will say if we see 10+ cases before Christmas ring in.

 (jonny Guru director of PSU engineering at Corsair). Maybe gamers should buy a couple of these 12VHPWR connectors and adapters in spare for Christmas holidays gaming, HaHa

The 12VHPWR cable is DANGEROUS! But NVIDIA doesn't agree...

Intel is the smart one. They avoided use own design. They helped design this junk connector.

 

[tps3443]

Fresh from the silicon gurus in Taiwan!

 

upload pic

[johnksss]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

|UPDATED|

 

Ohhhhhh! A cool fancy feature. 
 

Let’s see.

 

Drum roll please.

 

 

My Ho-Hum is= 132

 

upload pic

 

 

@johnksss

 

What is your Ho-Hum rating? 

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

It would be interesting to know how to translate that against an ASUS SP rating, or if doing so is even feasible due to lack of data to validate the conversion. 

@johnkssswhat is your MSI "CPU Force 2" rating?

 

39 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I reset my bios, and tried MSI FORCE2 again, I got a 132 three times in a row. I have seen some people with 150-160 on their FORCE2 rating. 
 

I’m just glad to see another brand offering some type of tool to check. 
 

Curious to hear @johnksss FORCE2 rating. 
 

PS: My chip is looking far better today for some weird reason! I am achieving some really good looking clocks with very low power numbers. 

 

Sorry guys, but phone has been ringing off the hook!

 

 

[Talon]

12 minutes ago, johnksss said:

 

 

 

Sorry guys, but phone has been ringing off the hook!

 

 

 

Damn that SP99 hitting 5.8Ghz all core. That is really good, one of the top chips I've seen. Most of these 13900K are all so damn close in perf, super binned by Intel it seems. 

[johnksss]

13 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Damn that SP99 hitting 5.8Ghz all core. That is really good, one of the top chips I've seen. Most of these 13900K are all so damn close in perf, super binned by Intel it seems. 

Sorry, you were suppose to be in the list above.😄

 

But this chip is running hot so i need to check my frame and try again.

 

Edit:

I sure how that new plug is not going to be an issue....I will need to dumb card fast if that's the case.... Because what will happen is Nvidia will start requestion a lower power rated bios like they did in the past.

[Papusan]

On 10/23/2022 at 9:22 PM, Papusan said:

Should be a bigger difference between Sp108 and Sp97. But we still don't know about the leakage and the sub Sp scores.

On 10/23/2022 at 9:10 PM, electrosoft said:

Yep, still stand by my early assessment of @tps3443 chip. He needs a dirt cheap Z690  Prime-A to at least get a real idea.

 

@tps3443  does the MSI Unify do force ratings or no?

Still not validated prediction/statistic.... But here's a few numbers. SP 95-99 is like what would’ve been an SP 80-84 with the 12900K. Basically a mediocre sample. SP 100-102 is decent/respectable. SP 105-110 is an A. SP of over 110 means potentially a P SP of 120-130 and this would be golden as of current sampling

 

But I have seen good benches (great results) from so called "mediocre" chips, so.

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-asus-strix-maximus-z690-owners-thread.1794802/post-29052675

[johnksss]

6 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Still not validated prediction/statistic.... But here's a few numbers. SP 95-99 is like what would’ve been an SP 80-84 with the 12900K. Basically a mediocre sample. SP 100-102 is decent/respectable. SP 105-110 is an A. SP of over 110 means potentially a P SP of 120-130 and this would be golden as of current sampling

 

But I have seen good benches (great results) from so called "mediocre" chips, so.

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-asus-strix-maximus-z690-owners-thread.1794802/post-29052675

But what cracks me up the most is the people that come in and do the "hey look at me" bit. I just tripped and hit the mouse by accident which loaded up the benchmark which i dropped my phone and it hit the enter key on the keyboard so I watched the run and it got 43k in cinebench(example). All without doing anything other than it was my first run. 🤦‍♂️😂

[Reciever]

3 minutes ago, johnksss said:

But what cracks me up the most is the people that come in and do the "hey look at me" bit. I just tripped and hit the mouse by accident which loaded up the benchmark which i dropped my phone and it hit the enter key on the keyboard so I watched the run and it got 43k in cinebench(example). All without doing anything other than it was my first run. 🤦‍♂️😂

I tried that once, all I got was a house fire.

 

Spoiler

Im kidding, of course lol

 

[tps3443]

These chips have a great ring/cache though, mine is at x51 ring. Rocket lake would never let me go this high. And all at SUB 300 watts. I'm happy. This thing absolutely squashes my 11900K, if I could squeak by 18K with my 11900K in R23 it was a MIRACLE. 



 

[electrosoft]

26 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Still not validated prediction/statistic.... But here's a few numbers. SP 95-99 is like what would’ve been an SP 80-84 with the 12900K. Basically a mediocre sample. SP 100-102 is decent/respectable. SP 105-110 is an A. SP of over 110 means potentially a P SP of 120-130 and this would be golden as of current sampling

 

But I have seen good benches (great results) from so called "mediocre" chips, so.

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-asus-strix-maximus-z690-owners-thread.1794802/post-29052675

 

As we know (time and time again) SP is a predictive indicator but isn't the be all of all in ratings as you push farther on the silicon.

 

We saw the median shift with the 12900ks and SP rankings if you recall. 13900k's just continue to extend upward as the overall silicon gets better and better.

 

That is why we would see some SP63 10900k's smash the upper tier and SP90+ run nice and cool well ahead of SP63's and suddenly run off the tracks at 5.4+

 

I have always said (and always will), even a bad SP throw it in a rig and test it and push it up bin by bin and you might be surprised. I always love seeing where a good SP chip is humming along and hits a wall and falls off the rails and the pull suddenly goes through the roof by a +1 bin uptick.