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[ryan]

ok guys i found a cool video..it explains everything. you guys probably already know this but its good for people that are new

 

 

[Rage Set]

8 minutes ago, ryan said:

he threw me off getting simple math wrong, big attitude for such a dumb guy, and this coming from me im not the coldest beer in the fridge but yes that guy is arrogant.

 

I normally don't mind an arrogant person, as I am one to be quite truthful. However, I am only arrogant when the knowledge, training and experience dictates it (i.e. a field I am well versed in), but some less knowledgeable people are belligerent when they KNOW they shouldn't be. It's all an act, make himself look to be the smartest person in the room when he clearly isn't; but he has the followers that believe he is. 

[ryan]

I have to agree..

 

you guys are really smart, im a member of a science forum and mostly just read but you guys are on par. if your going to be arrogant at least back it up eh..thanks for your input @Rage Set

[Papusan]

41 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

His FAQ is crazy, LOL. I am surprised he has over 10K subscribers but some people are gluttons for punishment. I'm going to create a FAQ like this for the organization that I support, I wonder how it is going to turn out. 

"

How do I contact you??

– Go back to the consulting page, pay 500$. I DO NOT HAVE TIME to answer questions or talk to people, I get enough spam as it is. If someone’s DM’s are turned off on all platforms, that means they don’t want to be messaged"

 

 

 

36 minutes ago, cylix said:

What,  that idiot wants 500 bucks for a question😂😂😂😂😂😂.

Beacause he is that good. No one is on his level😉 The bill reflect the skills The charge reflect the skills, LOOL

 

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

 

I get he's trying to be funny but he clearly doesn't understand the architectural changes AMD did. The 7900 XTX is going to split the difference between the 4080 and 4090 in terms of performance, while being cheaper than both cards. 

 

Nvidia will keep the performance crown with the 4090 and reset it yet again with the 4090 TI, but the damage has been done. As @Papusan pointed out, the 4090 TI is going to have to be 2500 to not kill the 4090's priced at 2k or cheaper. 

 

Does anyone here believe that Nvidia will concede the 700 to 1000 range to AMD? For all intents and purposes, that is the new battleground for GPUs (it used to be the 400 to 600 range). Not at all. Nvidia is going to be in trouble, not with performance but their pricing. This is RDNA3's Ryzen moment. 

 

Absolutely. The 7900XT and 7900XTX especially are absolute price:performance gems in every way. It is AMDs race to lose right now when common sense tells you 10% performance loss (if that) for $600 less is a clear winner.

 

I'm really excited about AMD this time around even more so than last. I haven't felt this good about them since the 5700xt when I switched to AMD till Ampere.

 

Nvidia thinks they're Apple. I expect Jensen to be in a black mock turtleneck sooner than later....

 

28 minutes ago, ryan said:

he threw me off getting simple math wrong, big attitude for such a dumb guy, and this coming from me im not the coldest beer in the fridge but yes that guy is arrogant.

 

He's a blunt instrument. Sometimes they work. Most times not so much.

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It is also good for people buying and selling last generation GPUs. I wanted an A770, but couldn't buy one if my life depended on it due to no availability. I settled on the 3060 because being cheap was more important than owning the best. If I were still gaming and gaming important to me, the 3060 Ti FTW3 on water would be all I would need... for less than $400. Spending 400-500% more for another 10-15 FPS when everything is already 60+ is beyond foolish, especially when bread, eggs and milk require the donation of a kidney or the soul of your first-born.

 

2080 Ti FTW3 is on its way to Gig Harbor for repair. Nice guy.

 

@electrosoftMr. Dufus has yet to reply and probably won't. This guy is such a pompous prick. He sometimes does produce very useful YouTube content, but his attitude really sucks. I bet he doesn't have many friends in real life. He loves himself way too much to have any left for others. https://framechasers.org/faq/ I was planning to ping him directly to ask, but he wants $500 to answer a question. His life must be extremely challenging, and probably of his own doing. I bet he thinks his own poop doesn't stink, LOL.

 

I have an A770 on its way actually to play around with along with the A380. RT performance is supposed to be  close to Nvidia than AMD (core for core) and XeSS is supposed to be better than FSR as the drivers keep maturing. Intel could mess around and carve out a nice 3rd spot in the GPU market if they play this right.

 

Jufes is painful to watch sometimes but he has amassed a small gathering of followers as most anti-intellectualism imbued persons tend to do quite frequently. You get a decent cooling video showing you progressive levels of cooling techniques applied and the outcome and then you get that AMD rant..... I just found myself literally laughing out loud at parts especially his description of AMD's drivers....

 

.....and I can almost guarantee you he thinks the bathroom smells like lavender when he's finished.  🙂

 

15 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

I normally don't mind an arrogant person, as I am one to be quite truthful. However, I am only arrogant when the knowledge, training and experience dictates it (i.e. a field I am well versed in), but some less knowledgeable people are belligerent when they KNOW they shouldn't be. It's all an act, make himself look to be the smartest person in the room when he clearly isn't; but he has the followers that believe he is. 

 

This.

 

When I'm in my wheelhouse and know it I have no problem taking the lead. If I am not, I have no problems following and listening and learning.

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Nvidia will keep the performance crown with the 4090 and reset it yet again with the 4090 TI, but the damage has been done. As @Papusan pointed out, the 4090 TI is going to have to be 2500 to not kill the 4090's priced at 2k or cheaper. 

 

Does anyone here believe that Nvidia will concede the 700 to 1000 range to AMD? For all intents and purposes, that is the new battleground for GPUs (it used to be the 400 to 600 range). Not at all. Nvidia is going to be in trouble, not with performance but their pricing. This is RDNA3's Ryzen moment. 

If Amd can't compete for the performance crown. Why should Nvidia release 4090Ti sooner than later? 4090Ti will fit well as mid cycle upgrade (same arc have 2 years cadence). Better for <nvidia milk as long they can with 4090 at $1600 and let the AIB partners continue with $1600-2000 custom cards. I can't see a single reason Nvidia would kill this chance for profits on cut down silicon.

 

It doesn't make sense change the 4090 price point before they are force to. Nvidia's problem was that they priced 4080 wrong. And they destroyed the chance to put correct price point for an 4080Ti. 

[electrosoft]

2 minutes ago, Papusan said:

If Amd can't compete for the performance crown. Why should Nvidia release 4090Ti sooner than later? 4090Ti will fit well as mid cycle upgrade (same arc have 2 years cadence). Better for <nvidia milk as long they can with 4090 at $1600 and let the AIB partners continue with $1600-2000 custom cards. I can't see a single reason Nvidia would kill this chance for profits on cut down silicon.

 

The most logical choice for Nvidia (if they can push aside their arrogance and greed) still is to lower the price of the 4090 to $1299 and replace the $1599 price point with the 4090ti to add value to their pricing in comparison to AMD. If they really wanted to stick it to them, they  would go $1199/$1499. While the price:performance still isn't equalized between the two, it does put a huge dent into the ludicrous chasm between the two.

 

Keeping the 4090 at $1600 and theoretically introducing a 4090ti at $2000 just doesn't make any sense in current market conditions. Short term? Yes, but this is the beginning of a two year protracted GPU war.

 

Anything else just extends their arrogance and greed in the marketplace.

 

AMD has made great inroads since RDNA and RDNA2 and people aren't made of endless money and the low/middle GPU market has always been where the bulk of GPUs are sold.

 

 

[Papusan]

13 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

The most logical choice for Nvidia (if they can push aside their arrogance and greed) still is to lower the price of the 4090 to $1299 and replace the $1599 price point with the 4090ti to add value to their pricing in comparison to AMD. If they really wanted to stick it to them, they  would go $1199/$1499. While the price:performance still isn't equalized between the two, it does put a huge dent into the ludicrous chasm between the two.

 

Keeping the 4090 at $1600 and theoretically introducing a 4090ti at $2000 just doesn't make any sense in current market conditions. Short term? Yes, but this is the beginning of a two year protracted GPU war.

 

Anything else just extends their arrogance and greed in the marketplace.

 

AMD has made great inroads since RDNA and RDNA2 and people aren't made of endless money and the low/middle GPU market has always been where the bulk of GPUs are sold.

 

 

nvidia didn't change prices for 3090 when 3090 Ti popped up (And why should they now as there is no competition for the performance crown?). Nvida have screwed up very hard with the launch of 4000 series. Where should they put 4080Ti if they shrink prices? They need a card around 1000-1100$ to push AMDs best card of the cliff. And that won't be from the 4080. Only 4080Ti can do that.

[electrosoft]

14 minutes ago, Papusan said:

nvidia didn't change prices for 3090 when 3090 Ti popped up. Nvida have screwed up very hard with the launch of 4000 series. Where should they put 4080Ti if they shrink prices? They need a card around 1000-1100$ to push AMDs best card of the cliff. And that won't be from the 4080. Only 4080Ti can do that.

 

With the market conditions at the time they didn't have to and when the 3090ti launched they were still under the assumption of those outlier market conditions where they couldn't keep anything in stock regardless of the price. We saw how quickly they chopped down prices of the 3090ti well before ADA launched. Nobody was buying.

 

As you showed before, Nvidia has suffered a noticeable loss in sales and profits last quarter versus the previous.

 

As for pricing if Nvidia really wants to compete. Keep the 4090 $200 more than the 7900xtx, 4090ti is a true halo product at $1499 adjust down accordingly to compete.

 

4090ti $1499

4090 $1199

4080ti $999

4080 $799-899 (depending on 7900xt performance)

 

AIBs are irrelevant and have to carve out their own niche as you also say Nvidia has no problems competing with their own partners.

 

Once the "new product launch" smoke clears along with AMD introducing killer price:performance cards and the old "we can't keep it in stock" paradigm a thing of the past, Nvidia has two choices:

 

A> Hope Nvidia faithful will not care one iota about price:performance and simply buy the best

B> Adjust to AMDs bombshell pricing and performance and price accordingly

 

Logically if I was Nvidia, I would ride out the early adopters to milk them for all they're worth then adjust once sales taper off and stock is everywhere.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5113085_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/15355153

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5113080_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/15355078

 

 

 

[Papusan]

3 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

With the market conditions at the time they didn't have to and when the 3090ti launched they were still under the assumption of those outlier market conditions where they couldn't keep anything in stock regardless of the price. We saw how quickly they chopped down prices of the 3090ti well before ADA launched. Nobody was buying.

 

As you showed before, Nvidia has suffered a noticeable loss in sales and profits last quarter versus the previous.

 

As for pricing if Nvidia really wants to compete. Keep the 4090 $200 more than the 7900xtx, 4090ti is a true halo product at $1499 adjust down accordingly to compete.

 

4090ti $1499

4090 $1199

4080ti $999

4080 $799-899 (depending on 7900xt performance)

 

AIBs are irrelevant and have to carve out their own niche as you also say Nvidia has no problems competing with their own partners.

 

Once the "new product launch" smoke clears along with AMD introducing killer price:performance cards and the old "we can't keep it in stock" paradigm a thing of the past, Nvidia has two choices:

 

A> Hope Nvidia faithful will not care one iota about price:performance and simply buy the best

B> Adjust to AMDs bombshell pricing and performance and adjust accordingly

 

Logically if I was Nvidia, I would ride out the early adopters to milk them for all they're worth then adjust once sales taper off and stock is everywhere.

 

 

 

 

<With the market conditions at the time they didn't have to> Remember the (higher end) nvidia cards is more expensive to produce than the glued together AMD cards). And Nvidia isn't known for reducing prices for their whole GPU stack if they aren't forced to do so. We''ll see. But one thing for sure.... They need a card around 1000-1100$ to keep up market shares. They just can't let AMD eat more of it.

 

<As for pricing if Nvidia really wants to compete. Keep the 4090 $200 more than the 7900xtx, 4090ti is a true halo product at $1499 adjust down accordingly to compete> People that want the best will gladly pay +-1500$ for 4090. And they would gladly pay 1800$ for a full fat 4090Ti 🙂 And Nvidia And the majority of gamers ain't in this segment, so. Why give away profits for nothing? Nope, that won't fit Ngreedia.

[Rage Set]

1 minute ago, electrosoft said:

 

With the market conditions at the time they didn't have to and when the 3090ti launched they were still under the assumption of those outlier market conditions where they couldn't keep anything in stock regardless of the price. We saw how quickly they chopped down prices of the 3090ti well before ADA launched. Nobody was buying.

 

As you showed before, Nvidia has suffered a noticeable loss in sales and profits last quarter versus the previous.

 

As for pricing if Nvidia really wants to compete. Keep the 4090 $200 more than the 7900xtx, 4090ti is a true halo product at $1499 adjust down accordingly to compete.

 

4090ti $1499

4090 $1199

4080ti $999

4080 $799-899 (depending on 7900xt performance)

 

AIBs are irrelevant and have to carve out their own niche as you also say Nvidia has no problems competing with their own partners.

 

Once the "new product launch" smoke clears along with AMD introducing killer price:performance cards and the old "we can't keep it in stock" paradigm a thing of the past, Nvidia has two choices:

 

A> Hope Nvidia faithful will not care one iota about price:performance and simply buy the best

B> Adjust to AMDs bombshell pricing and performance and adjust accordingly

 

Logically if I was Nvidia, I would ride out the early adopters to milk them for all they're worth then adjust once sales taper off and stock is everywhere.

 

 

 

 

 

The one thing Nvidia and its CEO hates the most, outside of not having the "top" performance crown, is having egg on its face. The 4080 12GB did that and it embarrassed Nvidia (blame their marketing department). Nvidia got wind of the 7900 XT and XTX performance, saw the performance of the 4080 12GB compared to the 7900 XT and subsequently, 7800 XT. No way was the 4080 12GB aka 4070 going to compete with those cards. 

 

Now Nvidia is forced to keep these prices, 4090 and 4080 16GB. If they were to lower the prices for either the 4090 or 4080 now, there are going to be a lot angry consumers (especially 4090 owners) and AIB's. Right now, Nvidia has DLSS and Ray Tracing. They are the top dog in those features. Is that enough?

 

Remember when Intel still had the overall performance lead over Ryzen but AMD gave you more for the money. I can say, in my opinion, it has finally happened to Nvidia. RDNA3 gives you more for the money.

 

I have to say, when the 4090 TI does come out, that will be the card I get. Same for the top AMD card 7950 XTX. 

[Papusan]

18 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

Now Nvidia is forced to keep these prices, 4090 and 4080 16GB. If they were to lower the prices for either the 4090 or 4080 now, there are going to be a lot angry consumers (especially 4090 owners) and AIB's. Right now, Nvidia has DLSS and Ray Tracing. They are the top dog in those features. Is that enough?

The 4080 aint out. And they can manage reduce prices for 4090 down to sub 1500$. Then replace the 4080 price point with an 4080Ti. Put the 4080 back to the price point it was before. Aka only the 4090 owners will be angry.

 

Just pay back $$$  to AIB partners (the difference).

 

As it looks now... Nvidia will loose money and market shares once the new cards pop out from AMD. Better change it now while they have the chance (this will help on - less angry buyers of the launched cards as well).

 

Being in own league offer the most expensive cards (not a very high performance lead) well over its competitor, doesn't make it easier to keep up market shares. Intel learned their lesson with Raptor lake. On time Nvidia do the same. AMD have same problem as nvidia now have, with their Ryzen Zen 4 chips. The sales dosn't looks great. They are bad.

[ryan]

in that video I posted it shows relative performance and sometimes the 7900xtx beats and matches the 4090...now thats freeky cool....im actually thinking of going the egpu route, I might lose some performance on the laptops 1080p display but I should be ok with my 4k120 tv as a monitor like a 4-5x uplift

[jaybee83]

On 11/3/2022 at 12:42 AM, Papusan said:

A couple of fast benches to see if the chips works as it should. I wish Intel could deliver a few more P-cores instead of the flod with babies. Imagine this chips come with 16 P-cores and reduced some of the E-cores. 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5112151_papusan_pifast_core_i9_13900k_9sec_230ms?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5112142_papusan_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_i9_13900k_44090_cb

 

You'll need LN2 for AMD's latest and greatest Ryzen Zen4 to come on par with an water cooled Intel chips😮 @jaybee83 isn't that correct? Or maybe I'm wrong?

 

if u go purely by Mhz, then no, Zen4 can definitely not compete with RPL. but thats no surprise, been like that for years now 😋 i chose AM5 based on earlier availability and platform longevity. 13th gen is a deadend platform and single digit performance gains aint gonna convince me to invest money and time in it 😄

 

23 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Jufes does provide decent videos from time to time....

 

 

 

that dude sure is smth else... as for the temp drop, not surprising considering intel didnt change anything with the ILM.

 

21 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

It kinda looks like the De8auer model but even he knew there would be clones of their model showing up sooner than later....hmmmm.

 

yep that was my thought as well. the basic principle and construction aint nothing special though, unless were talking about customized form i.e. for zen4.

 

20 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

Looks like AMD RDNA3 packs a ton of punch  in Rasterization. It is very fast upto 4090 maybe 10-15% slower, but at 60% less cost. And 100W less as well, 2.5 slot width too no questionable trash power connectors good old 8 Pin. It also packs AV1 Decode / Encode blocks. DP2.1, The RT performance is lower, expected as they barely match a 3090. No PCIe5.0 though.

 

Smaller die much smaller lol,... 4090 is 600mm2, this is 1/2 !! 300mm2 imagine if AMD went 600mm2. Shame they go conservative always if they had 600W GPU like Nvidia it would blow the roof off with performance for sure.

 

 

 

Killer price and kick in the nuts for Nvidia for sure.

 

Solid value for many as the top card 7900XTX is $1000, 7900XT is $900. And RT is worthless to many, esp when we talk the GPU market it's not much on 3080+ bracket so all low end cards will be destroyed by RT also in games it's pretty much useless. A massive performance hog at the expense of very less fidelity improvement. The only title worth RT is Metro Exodus Ray Tracing Edition. All others are a joke.

 

They have FSR3 upcoming which is called as "AMD Fluid Motion" I hope this is not that frame interpolation that Nvidia pushed, if that's the same then it's a big shame for PC Fidelity they already ruined with this upscaling BS but now the Frame Interpolation is far worse.

 

for the die size, dont forget that ull have to add the main die and the 6 MCN together, that would equal 522mm2, so not thaaat far away from nvidias 600.

 

20 hours ago, Papusan said:

Just lovely. And Nvidia has to offer more than fire, melting smoke and 1.5K cards. Even if the AMD card offer less performance than 4090 it will kill sales of higher end Nvidia cards. As a footnote... Nvidia wanted disgusting price for their castrated 4080@12GB cards. Of course they removed their scam from the release. This AMD release come at a perfect time. Hope nvidia will burn in with cards costing above $999. 

 

AMD announces $999 Radeon RX 7900 XTX, Radeon RX 7900 XT for $899

Middle Norway. You don't need go longer North as (above the Arctic Circle) to see the Northern Light. But I would gladly swapped out the nice phenomenom for better weather/more sun lights (the whole year). 

 

although great to see AMDs latest offering, i doubt this will kill off nvidias sales, theres always gonna be nvidia only fanboys and ppl who get suspicious if the competition's cards are "too cheap". more expensive HAS to mean better right? Intel did the same thing for decades, thats why its so surprising that now with RPL they started to compete on price.

 

19 hours ago, Papusan said:

My best guess... AIB partners will take an advantage of the ok'ish prices from AMD. They have a big opportunity now to increase profits for the better custom 7900 SKUs.  This because custom Nvida cards is priced well above 1600$ and around same or slightly lower performance shouldn't cost "cheap" 999$. Don't expect that the gamers will benefits from more normal price points from AMD. The best gamers can do now is to buy the cheaper SKUs at 1000$ and skip the more expensive  custom cards. See... More power to the buyers. But will they? Probably  because we live in times with less money in our hands.

 

im thinking AIBs will deffo have more headroom than on nvidiai cards, esp..when it comes to performance deltas. should be interesting to see how well rdna3 scales with power!

 

19 hours ago, johnksss said:

Actually I was thinking the same thing....And also wondering why no comparisons against the competition this time around.

 

Sounds a bit suspect, for gamers, but I'm just thinking out loud. 

 

Edit:

@Papusan

I do not think it is going to kill anything off. The pricing is still part of NVidia's base model. "Always charge higher than AMD" If they buy they buy and if they don't....then we sit and wait to see what happens....

 

yep, no comparisons was strange...but might be marketing philosophy, i.e. focus on our own stuff, dont give the competition any more spotlight.

 

18 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

I play 2560x1440P my 11900K could not keep up. I was cpu limited quite often. Not anymore! 😎

 

ha, just throw in a 4090 and ull be back in cpu bottleneck land 😂

 

17 hours ago, Papusan said:

You still mean Nvidia can and will charge 1600$ for the vanilla and 2000$ for the custom 4090 cards? And where will they place 4090Ti into this? Heck, the 4090Ti will be an improvement and maybe nvidia place it right below 2000$ or in best case 1900$. This will kill all the custom 4090 sales. Every single of them. And 1200$ for 4080. Then we have a possible 4080Ti in the stack. Where will they put this card? AMD have closed all te rooms for Nvidia as I see it. If AMD offer a good performer they will change where Nvidia will have to put the prices for better their cards. Or they will loose a lot of market shares. Fancy features or not over AMD doesn't matter. What matter is if the people is willing to spend much above 1000$. A few will do, but sales of 4090/4090Ti from 1600-2500$ will be slim. All they have to compete with forwards is an overpriced 4080@1200$ cards. This card should have never been above 700$. In worst case 799$ due greed and money inflation.

 

if nvidia wants to, they can and will. unfortunately jensen has a steve jobs like god complex. itll take a LOT before green team gives in 😅

 

4 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

 

I get he's trying to be funny but he clearly doesn't understand the architectural changes AMD did. The 7900 XTX is going to split the difference between the 4080 and 4090 in terms of performance, while being cheaper than both cards. 

 

Nvidia will keep the performance crown with the 4090 and reset it yet again with the 4090 TI, but the damage has been done. As @Papusan pointed out, the 4090 TI is going to have to be 2500 to not kill the 4090's priced at 2k or cheaper. 

 

Does anyone here believe that Nvidia will concede the 700 to 1000 range to AMD? For all intents and purposes, that is the new battleground for GPUs (it used to be the 400 to 600 range). Not at all. Nvidia is going to be in trouble, not with performance but their pricing. This is RDNA3's Ryzen moment. 

 

yep agreed on the amd side, they should come pretty close to 4090 perf with their offerings. but of course well need reviews first to get a clear picture.

for nvidia's side, difficult to judge at this point how they will react to the competition. drastic price changes or adjustments in lineup are unlikely though, esp. now after the embarrassment with the fake 4080.

 

38 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

The most logical choice for Nvidia (if they can push aside their arrogance and greed) still is to lower the price of the 4090 to $1299 and replace the $1599 price point with the 4090ti to add value to their pricing in comparison to AMD. If they really wanted to stick it to them, they  would go $1199/$1499. While the price:performance still isn't equalized between the two, it does put a huge dent into the ludicrous chasm between the two.

 

Keeping the 4090 at $1600 and theoretically introducing a 4090ti at $2000 just doesn't make any sense in current market conditions. Short term? Yes, but this is the beginning of a two year protracted GPU war.

 

Anything else just extends their arrogance and greed in the marketplace.

 

AMD has made great inroads since RDNA and RDNA2 and people aren't made of endless money and the low/middle GPU market has always been where the bulk of GPUs are sold.

 

 

 

logical in our eyes, sure. but nvidia doesnt think that way 😅

 

[jaybee83]

24 minutes ago, Papusan said:

The 4080 aint out. And they can manage reduce prices for 4090 down to sub 1500$. Then replace the 4080 price point with an 4080Ti. Put the 4080 back to the price point it was before. Aka only the 4090 owners will be angry.

 

Just pay back $$$  to AIB partners (the difference).

 

As it looks now... Nvidia will loose money and market shares once the new cards pop out from AMD. Better change it now while they have the chance (this will help on - less angry buyers of the launched cards as well).

 

Being in own league offer the most expensive cards (not a very high performance lead) well over its competitor, doesn't make it easier to keep up market shares. Intel learned their lesson with Raptor lake. On time Nvidia do the same. AMD have same problem as nvidia now have, with their Ryzen Zen 4 chips. The sales dosn't looks great. They are bad.

it took yeaaaars for intel to start competing on price with RPL..nvidia isnt there yet, amd will need to keep up the pressure for several gens to come until nvidia will budge even just a little. thing with nvidia is also, they just keep delivering without fault. intel didnt do that, they always played last minute catch up and had issues and delays with their process nodes. so nvidia will be a far far more difficult opponent to crack for amd. 

but this is definitely a good path red team is on, theyll have to keep this up!

[cylix]

 

 

[tps3443]

20 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

LOL, I know what you play at but experiencing GPU limitations is the common realm of 4k gaming. You just happen to catch up a bit with the 13900k. I saw the same thing even with a 12900k at pure stock at 1440p in certain areas / games so it makes sense.

 

In reality all I hear is the beginning argument to yourself on upgrading from your 3090. 🙂 We heard it before with your 2080TI's that went from "These scream! So close in performance! No Need to Upgrade!" to eventually you jumping on a 3090....

 

.....I"m sure we'll see the same song and dance here too and you'll end up with a 4090 or 4090ti. 😅

I’d love to grab a 4090. No stores near me though. So, I’ve got to order online and they have been getting scalped up since launch, why scalpers are so determined on making $100 dollars off a 4090 is beyond me. Not sure when stock will replenish/normalize if ever. I’d love to be able to like add one to my cart, think about it for a few minutes, then add my Newegg gift card and bam! Pay the rest. One day. 

[Papusan]

Not easy being Nvidia right now. They are into an Firestorm, HaHa

 

 

RTX 4090 Woes Get Worse: Native 16-Pin Reportedly Melts as Well

No one is safe.

 

Have to deal with fire and AMD's new released cards better prices won't be easy. Not sure what's worse for them, LOOL

 

Only 3 cards have gone up in smoke today. 

 

As a sidenote... JonnyGuru (from Corsairs Research and development (R&D)) have deleted his reddit account, his quotes and threads. I wonder how deep this nvidia melting tragedy sits. 

 

The cancer from angry reddit users pushed him away. The small kids should instead have flooded nvidia support with their anger. Or just buy older gen nvidia graphics or go with AMD😎

[jaybee83]

43 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Not easy being Nvidia right now. They are into an Firestorm, HaHa

 

 

RTX 4090 Woes Get Worse: Native 16-Pin Reportedly Melts as Well

No one is safe.

 

Have to deal with fire and AMD's new released cards better prices won't be easy. 

 

Only 3 cards have gone up in smoke today. 

 

As a sidenote... JonnyGuru (from Corsairs Research and development (R&D)) have deleted his reddit account, his quotes and threads. I wonder how deep this nvidia melting tragedy sits. 

oh ffs

 

[Papusan]

41 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

oh ffs

 

I expect we will se many cases with smoke and fire forwards if nvidia can't find the culprit 🙂 And it will be a lot less profits if they have to adjust the prices the way @electrosoft suggested. 

 

NVIDIA produced over 100,000 RTX 4090 units thus far

By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 11/04/2022 07:54 PM 

Since the NVIDIA GeForce, RTX 4090 graphics card came out about a month ago, at least 100,000 of them have been sold, according to data.

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LOOOL...........

[Rage Set]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Not easy being Nvidia right now. They are into an Firestorm, HaHa

 

 

RTX 4090 Woes Get Worse: Native 16-Pin Reportedly Melts as Well

No one is safe.

 

Have to deal with fire and AMD's new released cards better prices won't be easy. Not sure what's worse for them, LOOL

 

Only 3 cards have gone up in smoke today. 

 

As a sidenote... JonnyGuru (from Corsairs Research and development (R&D)) have deleted his reddit account, his quotes and threads. I wonder how deep this nvidia melting tragedy sits. 

 

The cancer from angry reddit users pushed him away. The small kids should instead have flooded nvidia support with their anger. Or just buy older gen nvidia graphics or go with AMD😎

 

No recall incoming, but a vBios nerf is. They are going to lower the power draw, watch and see. 

[Papusan]

14 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

No recall incoming, but a vBios nerf is. They are going to lower the power draw, watch and see. 

Then they will be sued for false advertising. Both Nvidia and their AIC partners will have even more to think about😄 If they can't fix this the proper way they are in deep trouble. 

 

 

What you say reminds me all too much about Dell's AREA-51M jokebook flagship fiasco from Dell Alienware. Dell was forced to castrate the firmware to stop their trashbooks from burning up. 

[Ashtrix]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Not easy being Nvidia right now. They are into an Firestorm, HaHa

 

 

RTX 4090 Woes Get Worse: Native 16-Pin Reportedly Melts as Well

No one is safe.

 

Have to deal with fire and AMD's new released cards better prices won't be easy. 

 

Only 3 cards have gone up in smoke today. 

 

As a sidenote... JonnyGuru (from Corsairs Research and development (R&D)) have deleted his reddit account, his quotes and threads. I wonder how deep this nvidia melting tragedy sits. 

 

Class Action Lawsuit is brewing.  Perfect. This is what Jensen and his gang deserves for ruining the PC market pricing since Ampere to now Ada and then forcing the trash 12VHPWR standard.

 

I do not even know much on electronics part until I watched Ahoc and revealed how garbage POS this standard is. The maximum for the new 12VHPWR is under 684W and the standard retail is already pushing it to 600W that means already 87% of limit on the connector. Meanwhile the 8 Pin standard is 50% since it has more headroom for it's max limit as it's standard at 150W, but in reality it can handle 306W. So the safety margins on the 12VHPWR is just 14% and the 8 Pin is 64% considering worst power supply wire gauges. That alone speaks volumes for this TRASH connector pushed by everyone at PCI-SIG and Nvidia and all companies who did a green light on this into Retail channels.

 

AMD Radeon R9 295 X2 with 2x8Pin connectors with 500W power.

 

 

More on the above GPU

 

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Speaking of power delivery, let’s talk about the 2 8pin PCIe power sockets that are found at the top right side of the card. For those of our readers who can quote PCIe specifications by heart, the standard limit for an 8pin PCIe socket is 150W, which in this configuration would mean that the R9 295X2 has a 375W (150+150+75) power delivery system. By PCIe standards this has the board coming up short, but as we found out back in 2011 with the launch of the 6990, when it comes to these high end specialty cards PCIe compliance no longer matters. In the case of the 6990 and now the R9 295X2, AMD is essentially designing to the capabilities of the hardware rather than the PCIe specification, and the PCI-SIG for their part is not an enforcement body. Other than likely not being able to get their card validated as PCI-Express compliant and therefore included on the Systems Integrator List, AMD isn’t penalized for exceeding the PCIe power delivery standard.

 

So why does the 500W R9 295X2 only have 2 PCIe power sockets? As it turns out this is an intentional decision by AMD to improve the card’s compatibility. Dual dual-GPU (Quadfire) setups are especially popular with boutique builders and their customers, and very few PSUs offer more than 4 8pin PCIe power plugs. As a result, by using just 2 power sockets the R9 295X2 is compatible with a wider range of PSUs when being used in Quadfire setups. Meanwhile on the power delivery side of the equation, most (if not all) of the PSUs that can reliably push the necessary wattage to support one or two R9 295X2s have no problem delivering the roughly 220W per socket that the card requires. Which is why at the end of the day AMD can even do this, because the PSUs in the market today can handle it.

 

 

Imagine designing a new GPU in 2022 vs 2014 GPU which broke the compliance even. And losing it out...TRASH.

 

Junk Nvidia over engineered BS, to add insult the pricing scam for 4 damn years. 3080 -> 3090 100% price increase for 15% performance they got away because mining crap. Now they use it to make 4090 price acceptable. Meanwhile 3090Ti is now at $1000 MSRP which is actually 10-15% faster than 3090. Add the Ultimate Trash though which is Frame Interpolation, fake frames not even rendered by GPU inserted for that muh numbers + latency !!

 

The RTX 3090Ti despite using same power connector as 4090 16 Pin 12VHPWR got saved because it doesn't have Sense Pins variables they are shorted and disabled permanently so of 16 Pin only 12 Pins are used. Second the Power circuitry of the RTX 3090Ti has load balancing land splits it into 3 150W type connections while the hot fire hazard Ada 4090 does not. RTX 3090 is not effected because its 350W only and also had a slanted connection plus it's only 2x8 Pin connections.

[johnksss]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Not easy being Nvidia right now. They are into an Firestorm, HaHa

 

 

RTX 4090 Woes Get Worse: Native 16-Pin Reportedly Melts as Well

No one is safe.

 

Have to deal with fire and AMD's new released cards better prices won't be easy. Not sure what's worse for them, LOOL

 

Only 3 cards have gone up in smoke today. 

 

As a sidenote... JonnyGuru (from Corsairs Research and development (R&D)) have deleted his reddit account, his quotes and threads. I wonder how deep this nvidia melting tragedy sits. 

 

The cancer from angry reddit users pushed him away. The small kids should instead have flooded nvidia support with their anger. Or just buy older gen nvidia graphics or go with AMD😎

I had to check my second card and my same cable for smoke, fire, brimstone and melting effects on the tips of my 12VHPWR cable and nothing as of yet. Even held my fingers on the cable to check the heat of the wires them selves and the over clock GODs have said.... Nope! Not yet. You are still "SAFE", for now. 😂

 

This now brings into question why the HOF card may or may not have two plugs.....Along with being may be more power hungry than 600W....