*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

36 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I thought maybe that was all the money left after the rest was wasted on a new turdbook.

He probably want to avoid being scammed again. Better throw rest of the hard earned money down the toilet than spend it on overpriced X3D 12 6 cores gaming chips...

 

The twelve-core Ryzen 9 7900X3D only gets six cache-enriched cores

• Processors
• today 09:02

AMD confirms that the intermediate variant's twelve cores are distributed in a way that gives fewer cache-enriched cores than the two siblings.

 

 

Btw. It will be cheaper get rid of awful purchases...

EBAYPrivate users can sell for free from March

On March 1st, the online marketplace eBay will abolish fees and sales commissions for private sellers.

 

 

[Rage Set]

32 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

It would definitely be a little cheaper with a desktop to upgrade I think. So you’re right there. 
 

It looks like this MSI GT77 with a 12th gen Intel and RTX3080Ti fetched $2,550 used. 
 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/334758335478?hash=item4df126d3f6:g:WHgAAOSwV0Jj9Rcx&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAkGV6mWAoGCx26ntryzSD0KyUBhS4FhvoIULgiiKYr6G6iLXb6k2uSyXBvg7vJFueIPtGkC3fN9cJA3kFLLrQ%2BZXbFLjmvvlBz5yNNnqO1KDsEXIUbl3K7c57EsgI22it31TrKPzHiNviQN%2BukQLPp2kj0KnooS6RJ8e%2FDsIiXgxRbciOXdTSIM3uq6GuxKIJKg%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR-LU8e7TYQ

And to purchase a MSI GT77 with 13th gen and RTX4090 similarly would be $4,699.99.

 

That is a $2,149 dollar out of pocket cost. 
 

EXPENSIVE UPGRADE RIGHT THERE!!!  But that’s an elite machine too. 

 

It would probably make more sense and be a cheaper upgrade with cheaper machines. Like a $2,800-$3,000 dollar laptop would be worth maybe $1,500-$1,800 after 2 years.

 

 

You have to consider brands. While the majority of the people in this thread loathes Alienware as it stands now, they are like the Apple of PC laptops. Higher resell value because everyone knows them. MSI tends to be lower on the totem pole compared to Alienware or even Asus. 

 

I use to be into Asus/Alienware laptops before I was introduced to DTR's like Clevo on NBR. Now my current play toy is a Lenovo Legion 11980HK/3080 that I keep with me at my office. A lot of my colleagues were like "We didn't know Lenovo made gaming laptops" and then start talking about Alienware laptops; these are actual Cyber SecOps and Network Engineers...people that are supposed to know computing. Go figure. 

[tps3443]

28 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Did you pick an average sold price for that spec or an optimistic outlier price (which may or may not have resulted in a successful transaction)? 

Did you deduct the 20% ebay fee?

Did you include sales tax in the purchase price for the new laptop?

Assuming the answers to Qs 2 and 3 alone are no, and applying an optimistic sales tax of 5%, the actual laptop upgrade cost is $2,893

 

 

(1) I would NOT sell on eBay. Forums, or Facebook market place as always.
 

(2) The new machine from Microcenter does not have sales tax.

(3) That MSI GT77 was the only one on eBay at the time for sale used. It sold yesterday. There were not really any other options. I did not search through them though. 
 

Also, I was planning to use @johnksss Method. Free upgrades when you buy the microcenter in store warranty. You can return the laptop and get a gift card of the items full value with 1-2 years, minus the warranty cost. 

 

[Etern4l]

4 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

(1) I would NOT sell on eBay. Forums, or Facebook market place as always.
 

(2) The new machine from Microcenter does not have sales tax.

(3) That MSI GT77 was the only one on eBay at the time for sale used. It sold yesterday. There were not really any other options. I did not search through them though. 
 

Also, I was planning to use @johnksss Method. Free upgrades when you buy the microcenter in store warranty. You can return the laptop and get a gift card of the items full value with 1-2 years, minus the warranty cost. 

 

 

Fair enough. There are many realities, but generally there is a typical, say Western reality, and a very different Microcenter customer's reality lol

[tps3443]

9 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Fair enough. There are many realities, but generally there is a typical, say Western reality, and a very different Microcenter customer's reality lol

I want to get on that free upgrade train that people are using with them 😃. Unfortunately they only sell that warranty in store, and they are like 3-4 hours away. Gonna have to make the trip. 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

the trash Strix 4090 that I returned to NewEgg for a refund (payment currently pending)

NewEgg was not able to replace the Strix turd so they issued a refund. Huge relief that I don't have to roll the dice on another ASUS QC lottery that costs between $300 and $400 more than something from a competitor that offers equal or greater quality.

 

I am tempted by the Suprim X (non-Liquid) in stock at the Egg, but think I am going to just sit back and ponder whether or not I actually want it bad enough to spend $1799 on that. B&H also has the 4090 Amp in stock for $1699 that is similarly appealing. Maybe if I procrastinate I will decide I don't want any 4090 bad enough to throw that kind of money on one. That's a butt-load of money to blow on a benching toy that I have no good use for otherwise. Don't need it for gaming or anything else... the 3090 and 3060 Ti both handle gaming like a champ, leaving nothing to be desired on my part, so yeah... just a crazy expensive benching toy.

[Tenoroon]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

NewEgg was not able to replace the Strix turd so they issued a refund. Huge relief that I don't have to roll the dice on another ASUS QC lottery. I am tempted by the Suprim X (non-Liquid) in stock at the Egg, but think I am going to just sit back and ponder whether or not I actually want it bad enough to spend $1799 on that. B&H also has the 4090 Amp in stock for $1699 that is similarly appealing. Maybe if I procrastinate I will decide I don't want any 4090 bad enough to throw that kind of money on one. That's a butt-load of money to blow on a benching toy that I have no good use for otherwise. Don't need it for gaming or anything else... just a benching toy.

You could always do what @Papusandoes and bench older cards. I think you will have more fun than you think. It'll also get some points for our team 😉

I'd like to start benching those old Arrandale/Clarksfield chips but that darn motherboard I have is essentially a paperweight. Maybe I can find a way to brute force a higher BCLK speed, or a cheap old M17x... I'll accomplish it one day

[Mr. Fox]

34 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

You could always do what @Papusandoes and bench older cards. I think you will have more fun than you think. It'll also get some points for our team 😉

I'd like to start benching those old Arrandale/Clarksfield chips but that darn motherboard I have is essentially a paperweight. Maybe I can find a way to brute force a higher BCLK speed, or a cheap old M17x... I'll accomplish it one day

I've seriously considered that, and Brother @johnkssshas suggested it many times. He does it, too. But, I will be the first to admit that I am a real weirdo and don't really like doing retro tech. I don't know why, but it just doesn't make me happy. Even if I gained a lot of points on HWBOT like Brother @Papusanhas, I wouldn't be content with that. It's probably related to my all or nothing, onward and upward/go big or go home character flaw. Under any other circumstances it would be a good idea. If I spend a $200-$300 buying antique GPUs for HWBOT points and shortly thereafter waste money on a 4090, then I am just wasting even more money. Plus, I'm not nearly as excited about HWBOT as I used to be because of all the idiotic politics.

 

I also thought about saving $800 and grabbing a 7900 XTX for a benching toy, but after I look at the results there is nothing to be gained over my 3090 KPE. I'd be buying a weaker part of unproven quality, that sucks at ray tracing and one that most people don't want. (Top 10 scores for 7900 XTX are lower than my 3090 KPE scores in Time Spy, Port Royal, 3DMark 11, etc.)

 

That's why I think doing nothing for a bit and reflecting on things before letting my passion lead me down another rabbit hole is probably a good idea.

 

 

[Rage Set]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I've seriously considered that, and Brother @johnkssshas suggested it many times. He does it, too. But, I will be the first to admit that I am a real weirdo and don't really like doing retro tech. I don't know why, but it just doesn't make me happy. Even if I gained a lot of points on HWBOT like Brother @Papusanhas, I wouldn't be content with that. It's probably related to my all or nothing, onward and upward/go big or go home character flaw. Under any other circumstances it would be a good idea. If I spend a $200-$300 buying antique GPUs for HWBOT points and shortly thereafter waste money on a 4090, then I am just wasting even more money. Plus, I'm not nearly as excited about HWBOT as I used to be because of all the idiotic politics.

 

I also thought about saving $800 and grabbing a 7900 XTX for a benching toy, but after I look at the results there is nothing whatsoever to be gained over my 3090 KPE. I'd pay buying a weaker part of unproven quality that most people don't want.

 

That's why I think doing nothing for a bit and reflecting on things before letting my passion lead me down another rabbit hole is probably a good idea.

 

Buy a cheap 6950 XT with a waterblock, get some points and sell it. You will also get to see what the Red users were using with the MorePowerTool. The downsides are you won't have a huge pool of buyers when you sell and AMD's own overclocking tool can be funky sometimes. It loves to crash when you push the card too far. 

[Mr. Fox]

23 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

Buy a cheap 6950 XT with a waterblock, get some points and sell it. You will also get to see what the Red users were using with the MorePowerTool. The downsides are you won't have a huge pool of buyers when you sell and AMD's own overclocking tool can be funky sometimes. It loves to crash when you push the card too far. 

Hmm. Maybe. I'm not sure I actually want to know what the Red users are doing. That didn't work out well for me with the 5950X abortion. But, it's probably smarter than flushing money down the toilet on a 7900 XTX. At least I'd be able to keep using Windows 7, and the Red pill is the better option on Linux from what I hear.

 

I'd be lying if I did not admit to having curiosity, even though my appetite for risk is very low. Still, the thought of rolling the dice on a Red product makes me feel ill. The last time Team Red had a product that I actually liked, and didn't regret buying, was close to 15 years ago (Radeon HD 5870) and it was made by ATi, not AMD.

 

On the other hand, I also know the next stop on the Green Goblin's "Via Dolorosa" is 4090 Ti. That will be out before the ink on any money spent on 4090 has had time to dry.

 

Lots to think about. Taking time to think is smart. Thanks for the suggestion, brother.

[Rage Set]

22 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Hmm. Maybe. I'm not sure I actually want to know what the Red users are doing. That didn't work out well for me with the 5950X abortion. But, it's probably smarter than flushing money down the toilet on a 7900 XTX. At least I'd be able to keep using Windows 7, and the Red pill is the better option on Linux from what I hear.

 

I'd be lying if I did not admit to having curiosity, even though my appetite for risk is very low. Still, the thought of rolling the dice on a Red product makes me feel ill. The last time Team Red had a product that I actually liked, and didn't regret buying, was close to 15 years ago (Radeon 5970) and it was made by ATi, not AMD.

 

On the other hand, I also know the next stop on the Green Goblin's "Via Dolorosa" is 4090 Ti. That will be out before the ink on any money spent on 4090 has had time to dry.

 

Lots to think about. Taking time to think is smart. Thanks for the suggestion, brother.

 

Yes! That is why I am not buying a 4090. I know the 4090 TI will be coming and I've learned my lesson with the 3090. While I have A LOT of anger in my heart with AMD over the TRX40 shenanigans, I wasn't angry with them with the 6900XT getting replaced with the 6950XT. I think it due to having a 6900XT that is a 6950XT in everything but name. You also hit the nail on the head with AMD and Linux. 

 

If you are willing to pay shipping back and forth, I will let you borrow my Asrock 6900 XT with the block (I purchased the block, but I have never blocked the actual card.) for a month, so you can test things out. If you end up wanting to keep it, we can work out a fair price for both or you can simply ship it back. I really don't use it any more, it is sitting in my X570 Dark rig.

[Mr. Fox]

41 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

Yes! That is why I am not buying a 4090. I know the 4090 TI will be coming and I've learned my lesson with the 3090. While I have A LOT of anger in my heart with AMD over the TRX40 shenanigans, I wasn't angry with them with the 6900XT getting replaced with the 6950XT. I think it due to having a 6900XT that is a 6950XT in everything but name. You also hit the nail on the head with AMD and Linux. 

 

If you are willing to pay shipping back and forth, I will let you borrow my Asrock 6900 XT with the block (I purchased the block, but I have never blocked the actual card.) for a month, so you can test things out. If you end up wanting to keep it, we can work out a fair price for both or you can simply ship it back. I really don't use it any more, it is sitting in my X570 Dark rig.

Wow, I don't know how I could refuse a free test drive like that. I will send you a PM.

[Raiderman]

https://hwbot.org/benchmark/wprime_-_32m/halloffame

 

#16 in the world...👍

 

Of the Top 20, only two are not on LN2...brother @Mr. Fox and brother @Raiderman 🤘

 

[Raiderman]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Wow, I don't know how I could refuse a free test drive like that. I will send you a PM.

Wow, send it my way if you dont want it.  😄 Ive been pretty impressed with the little 6800XT. Its a pretty darn fast card.

[Reciever]

Hey guys, in terms of GPU benchmarking,  would a workstation suffice or would I lose too much points from stepping off a overclockable system?

 

The 10850k system is doing well as a DD but I dont want to tear it down for benching all the time lol, I have a precision 5820-x and was thinking of using that for tuning stuff during the week and OS pruning. I finally have an SLI cable so now I want to get back to GTX 690 SLI, GTX 280 SLI, GTX 295 etc etc

[Mr. Fox]

46 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

https://hwbot.org/benchmark/wprime_-_32m/halloffame

 

#16 in the world...👍

 

Of the Top 20, only two are not on LN2...brother @Mr. Fox and brother @Raiderman 🤘

 

That's awesome.

40 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Wow, send it my way if you dont want it.  😄 Ive been pretty impressed with the little 6800XT. Its a pretty darn fast card.

LOL I haven't even tried it yet obviously. Like the guy on Gamer's Meld says, "time will tell"

17 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Hey guys, in terms of GPU benchmarking,  would a workstation suffice or would I lose too much points from stepping off a overclockable system?

 

The 10850k system is doing well as a DD but I dont want to tear it down for benching all the time lol, I have a precision 5820-x and was thinking of using that for tuning stuff during the week and OS pruning. I finally have an SLI cable so now I want to get back to GTX 690 SLI, GTX 280 SLI, GTX 295 etc etc

Probably not very much at all in benchmarks that do not measure processor speed and performance. Port Royal and Speedway do not assign a physics or combined score. In cases where that is measured, it will definitely matter.

 

 

[Reciever]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's awesome.

LOL I haven't even tried it yet obviously. Like the guy on Gamer's Meld says, "time will tell"

Probably not very much at all in benchmarks that do not measure processor speed and performance. Port Royal and Speedway do not assign a physics or combined score. In cases where that is measured, it will definitely matter.

 

Well worst case scenario it can just be a test best of sorts and get some overclocks dialed in

[Mr. Fox]

51 minutes ago, Reciever said:

 

Well worst case scenario it can just be a test best of sorts and get some overclocks dialed in

If you are using a much newer CPU and chipset with an older graphics card you will automatically displace a lot of old benchmark scores that were good in their day, but the newer processor and chipset will probably result in better scores even if they are not overclocked. The improved IPC on the newer tech can often be enough to overcome the old CPU. The other thing to keep in mind is that 5 years ago it was difficult to overclock the CPU to the clock speeds that are stock clocks now. Add that increased clock speed, and potentially increased core count, to the improved IPC and it's sometimes easy to beat really old benchmark scores with the old graphics cards paired with a modern CPU. 

 

In some cases you can actually get higher benchmark scores with an old GPU and a very powerful modern CPU. Aquamark is one such example. 3DMark 2001 is another. They rely on the CPU more than the GPU. You may need to disable some of the cores to achieve higher scores because the old software does know how to handle them.

 

What's nice about that, as Brother @Papusanhas discovered, the chance that an old record holder still has those old GPUs is pretty slim. If you take the gold, chances are fairly good nobody's going to try to win back what you take from them. They might not be very happy about it, but all is fair and love and war.

[Reciever]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

If you are using a much newer CPU and chipset with an older graphics card you will automatically displace a lot of old benchmark scores that were good in their day, but the newer processor and chipset will probably result in better scores even if they are not overclocked. The improved IPC on the newer tech can often be enough to overcome the old CPU. The other thing to keep in mind is that 5 years ago it was difficult to overclock the CPU to the clock speeds that are stocked now. Add that increased clock speed to the improved IPC and it's easy to beat really old benchmark scores with the old graphics cards.

Thats true but I will be restricted to whats on that platform, Workstations traditionally dont allow overclocking, and this precision (as far as I can tell) follows the trend. Should still allow for me to test hardware without inconveniencing my down time.

 

Basically have had no use for the Precision for over a year until it dawned on me that I should be able to use it for GPU benching, its the system that has a 9800X installed.

[Mr. Fox]

25 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Thats true but I will be restricted to whats on that platform, Workstations traditionally dont allow overclocking, and this precision (as far as I can tell) follows the trend. Should still allow for me to test hardware without inconveniencing my down time.

 

Basically have had no use for the Precision for over a year until it dawned on me that I should be able to use it for GPU benching, its the system that has a 9800X installed.

You can bench anything, and if it's something that nobody or hardly anyone else has benched, then you'll likely be at or near the top of the mountain with that hardware. It doesn't have to run well or be fast to win if the machines you're competing against are equally old and anemic.

 

If you look around you might even find an unlocked bios floating around on the internet for that old thing that would allow you to adjust the core clocks or the base clock and squeeze a few more megahertz out of it than others have with theirs.

 

Sometimes you'll even find yourself in the top 10 worldwide because there have been fewer than 10 submissions LOL. This is especially true in the case of mid-range and budget hardware that nobody ever purchased for number chasing because it wasn't capable in it's day of winning anything due to being outclassed. You can rack up a lot of hardware points benching stuff like that.

[Papusan]

This is todays tech bro Fox. Isn't it amusing or does it sucks? Run the updater and this is what you get. On top... I have paid for this software. 3DMark Suite ain't freeware. So not much different than what you  get from Microsoft. 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

This is todays tech bro Fox. Isn't it amusing or does it sucks? Run the updater and this is what you get. On top... I have paid for this software. 3DMark Suite ain't freeware. So not much different than what you  get from Microsoft. 

 

 

 

The incompetence of the self-anointed leaders of the modern tech world that we live in is truly unlimited. Their incompetence is matched only by the inept losers that look to them for guidance. In some circumstances, it is like the blind leading the blind. In probably equal measure, it is like the blind misleading the blind. They don't know what they don't know, and their followers don't know how little they know... a technology circle jerk.

[johnksss]

Well, decided to grab the Corsair water block tonight and guess what.... it doesn't fit.🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[Mr. Fox]

Just now, johnksss said:

Well, decided to grab the Corsair water block tonight and guess what.... it doesn't fit.🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

The XC7 doesn't fit the Suprim?

[johnksss]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

The XC7 doesn't fit the Suprim?

Maybe that's it. This one says XG7 for the Suprim.

https://www.microcenter.com/product/662695/corsair-hydro-x-series-xg7-rgb-4090-suprim-trio-gpu-water-block

I thought this block was for the X as well.