*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Reciever]

Honestly I would like to just get the 3090ti heatsink and throw it on a 3090 🙂

[Papusan]

10 hours ago, Reciever said:

Honestly I would like to just get the 3090ti heatsink and throw it on a 3090 🙂

The 3090 Ti use all vRam chips on top of the cards now. The proper way to cool the vram. Double capacity chips has its advantage. 

 

The vram below the cards on the 3090 reminds me all too much about Dell's failure with the Gpu power delivery put below the card with passive cooling on the Area51m fiasco. I know the smaller capacity vram chips for 3090 needed that space on the pcb, but this is not optimal for cooling. Hence wee see up to 110C and boiling vram especially on Dell AW's proprietary 3090 graphics cards.

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

The 3090 Ti use all vRam chips on top of the cards now. The proper way to cool the vram. Double capacity chips has its advantage. 

Even better, then I could use something exotic for the chips then lol

[ssj92]

Alright my 3090 KPE was just not cooperating with OC. I was at it for 2-3 hours. Seems 800Mhz on memory is all it can do before crashing. So here's some comparisons stock vs stock, 3090 KPE vs 3090Ti FTW3 Black Gaming. Basically one of the fastest 3090 and the base stat 3090Ti. Both cards were max power target and temp target but stock clocks. 

 

Firesrtike: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/27507113/fs/27506544 

 

Firestrike Extreme: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/27507227/fs/27506560 

 

Firestrike Ultra: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/27507161/fs/27506581 

 

Timespy: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/27315069/spy/27316490

 

Timespy Extreme: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/27315161/spy/27316826 

 

Port Royal: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/pr/1509378/pr/1509534 

 

The 3090Ti performs its best at 4K resolution. Compared to the KPE card it's about ~5% faster. I'll play with OC 3090Ti later. 

 

The results may not be visible until they fix the graphics card not recognized error in results. I already submitted an email to them. 

[electrosoft]

Both bottom and middle FTW3 3090ti's in stock @ evga: https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+30+Series+Family&chipset=RTX+3090+Ti

 

 

 

[ryan]

would it really hurt to wait for 4k series....5 percent seems like kinda dumb

[Papusan]

This isn't a refresh where you get a small boost at the same price point before the next generation arrives, rather this is what we'd call a "milking." A small performance bump for a big price hike, a hike that sees the MSRP hit $2,000.

 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 Ti Review Techspot.com

 

I'm sure Nvidia wanted see the reactions from reviewers on the new increased power consumption they intend to provide for coming 4000 series graphics cards. Make a new price point early before release for their next gen high end cards will also help Nvidia to adjust MSRP for 4000 series cards. Double win for Nvidia 🙂

 

[johnksss]

14 hours ago, ssj92 said:

What core /memory offsets are people getting with 3090 KPE on its stock cooling?

 

Running 3090 benches right now, will swap out 3090Ti after. 

 

3090Ti is HUGE and HEAVY. I consider this a four slot card. 

 

Should have some results later tonight 😄

On my older card...about memory=1250 to 1400 and on core=150 to 180 on a really good day.

New to me card. memory=1700+ and core=240+

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I rarely  run it. It seems kind of meaningless to me in the grand scheme of things. Having a high Port Royal score also doesn't mean you are going to have impressive scores in other graphics benchmarks. I view it as more of a gimmick for gamer kids that care about ray tracing more than anything else. Tests like Fire Strike, Time Spy and 3DMark 11 are much better sytem performance indicators.

Yes and this is where AMD is still smacking the stuffing out of Nvidia right now....

10 hours ago, ssj92 said:

Alright my 3090 KPE was just not cooperating with OC. I was at it for 2-3 hours. Seems 800Mhz on memory is all it can do before crashing. So here's some comparisons stock vs stock, 3090 KPE vs 3090Ti FTW3 Black Gaming. Basically one of the fastest 3090 and the base stat 3090Ti. Both cards were max power target and temp target but stock clocks. 

 

Firesrtike: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/27507113/fs/27506544 

 

Firestrike Extreme: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/27507227/fs/27506560 

 

Firestrike Ultra: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/27507161/fs/27506581 

 

Timespy: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/27315069/spy/27316490

 

Timespy Extreme: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/27315161/spy/27316826 

 

Port Royal: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/pr/1509378/pr/1509534 

 

The 3090Ti performs its best at 4K resolution. Compared to the KPE card it's about ~5% faster. I'll play with OC 3090Ti later. 

 

The results may not be visible until they fix the graphics card not recognized error in results. I already submitted an email to them. 

Stuck on 800Mhz does not look very inviting to potential buys....😆

39 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Both bottom and middle FTW3 3090ti's in stock @ evga: https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+30+Series+Family&chipset=RTX+3090+Ti

 

 

Just about the same pricing at my MC, although they are sold out at the moment.

 

[ryan]

11718 points its peaked at 99c

 

all she wrote wont be breaking 12k

 

 

fixed

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, ryan said:

would it really hurt to wait for 4k series....5 percent seems like kinda dumb

 

I don't think we'll see the 4000 series till Q1 2023 based on industry guesses. so 8 months minimum.

 

But if what you have now is doing ok I would definitely wait. If I've been stuck in the no GPU zone limping by with a terrible card, I would wait another month or two for the price bleeding to stop and then buy.

 

For example:

 

I've been watching the Asrock OC Formula 6900xt on Newegg and it has gone from a high of $2299 down to $1294.99 and falling. I expect it to bottom out at $1199.99 ($200 above AMD reference model) when all is said and done and then I'll most likely pick one up new or wait for an eBay special where they are languishing already since Newegg has them listed there now too for $1294.99 brand new so sellers are going to have to come in well below that to move them. Lots of "best offers" options on the cards listed there now.

 

It is a buyers market that is just getting stronger daily.....finally.

 

 

 

 

[ryan]

@electrosoftwhy amd dlss helps quite a bit its like native resolution but with 16x AA... FSR isn't very good or do you just benchmark like the rest of us?

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

This isn't a refresh where you get a small boost at the same price point before the next generation arrives, rather this is what we'd call a "milking." A small performance bump for a big price hike, a hike that sees the MSRP hit $2,000.

 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 Ti Review Techspot.com

 

I'm sure Nvidia wanted see the reactions from reviewers on the new increased power consumption they intend to provide for coming 4000 series graphics cards. Make a new price point early before release for their next gen high end cards will also help Nvidia to adjust MSRP for 4000 series cards. Double win for Nvidia 🙂

 

 

I don't mind an increase in power consumption if it provides a nice performance boost.

 

This is extracting every bit of scrap left in full fat binned chips, slapping on a tank size cooler, getting 5-10% performance increase clock for clock and increasing the price by 33% and slipping in the $2k min MSRP while scalper market prices fall.....

 

.....yet I still kinda want one...sad 😁

[ryan]

5k for a powerful desktop? i was under the impression desktop gaming was cheaper than laptops..i specd out a 3060 system and its like 2400 with specs similar to my laptop thats with monitor rgb keyboard and mouse

[electrosoft]

19 minutes ago, ryan said:

@electrosoftwhy amd dlss helps quite a bit its like native resolution but with 16x AA... FSR isn't very good or do you just benchmark like the rest of us?

 

I tend to play native. WoW is my main game and I play at 4k and it doesn't support DLSS (boo). I used to play with RT on but the hit even with a 3090 was just too much when I had one so I turned it off.

 

All I've used is 3000 series since launch but I do want to test out and use AMD but the prices for the 6900xt's was outlandish for what you get. After doing a lot of research on PCB, build quality, cooler and aesthetics,  along with binned silicon the Formula OC is my chosen 6900xt if I were to get one.

 

I have a soft spot for AMD. I actually used a 5700xt from launch till the 3000 series for WoW BFA and it was a great 1440p card.

 

Do a search on ebay for 6900xt. The price drops are insane.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Meaker]

On 4/1/2022 at 8:38 PM, Prema said:

Got to 'remote play' with this one yesterday:

 

 

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It's a real shame that Intel now not only blocks their usual 4x overclocking bins but also undervolting as well as BCLK changes on their current generation of mobile chips...

 

 

*slaps hand* no play for you 😛

[ryan]

my favorite laptop had a 6990m i hear ya...

 

 

lol i remember baking the gpu to bring it back to life then it died like 2 weeks later....i think the temp set was 375c...melts the solder.I would switch to AMD that is if they had a dlss equivelent.....FSR just ain't feeling it

[Papusan]

47 minutes ago, ryan said:

5k for a powerful desktop? i was under the impression desktop gaming was cheaper than laptops..i specd out a 3060 system and its like 2400 with specs similar to my laptop thats with monitor rgb keyboard and mouse

All you need to upgrade for the desktop is graphics cards down the road. With a Jokebook you are stuck with what you have or need to buy a new (no other choices). A new gaming laptop will be more expensive than a new desktop card. The miner race is soon over and Nvidia and AMD will get a new competitor in Intel for graphics cards. Laptops will always be the gold mine (milking cow) for the different OEMs. Just add some Alu in the chassis, make it even thiiner and with RGB lights and they can tune profits in all ways.  

 

Lets take coming 4080... Next gen gaming laptops with mentioned cards will be +3000$ and most likely provide 50% less performance vs the desktop cards due the never ending TGP crippling from the laptop manifacturers and nvidia. The desktop cards will get increasesed TGP. See it this way... Laptop graphics will get well under half of the TGP power vs the desktop sibling. Aka from worse to worse for gaming laptops due the hunger for new and more modern Apple look-a-like chassis design. 

[Rage Set]

I guess I am keeping my Asrock 6900XT. I am likely going to drain the loop, block it and replace the MSI 6800XT I have in my All AMD build. I'm with Mr. Fox, it is going to be awhile before I upgrade anything. AMD lost my trust due to TRX40 and I am going to wait and see if Intel ever goes back to the HEDT market. It appears that my overclocking career is coming to an end, at least for the next couple years. 

[Mr. Fox]

I ran out of fittings, so until I get some additional fittings the chiller is not connected, but I finally received the EK manifold for the Level 20 XT. This is super convenient and I wish I would have had one even using the Wetbench. All of the QDC fittings are at the terminal/manifold and nowhere near any part of the computer, so a drip or drop is not going to even matter. I still cannot get over how gigantic this case it. I really like how easy it is to access everything, almost the same as an open bench. Nothing anywhere is a tight fit.

 

I put a 1/8th inch thick aluminum plate in the space designed for the second PSU and have the water ports to the case there with pass-through fittings. It worked out really clean. The manifold also upped the flow rate from about ~90L/H to ~160L/H. I also like having it positioned parallel to the width of the desk. It is nice having the rear I/O ports within arm's reach while sitting at the keyboard without having to reach behind the chassis to fiddle with cables. That MSI Tuning Panel being stuck to the rear panel with magnets also puts power, reset and other tweaking buttons at my fingertips... super convenient.

 

 

[ssj92]

11 hours ago, johnksss said:

On my older card...about memory=1250 to 1400 and on core=150 to 180 on a really good day.

New to me card. memory=1700+ and core=240+

Yes and this is where AMD is still smacking the stuffing out of Nvidia right now....

Stuck on 800Mhz does not look very inviting to potential buys....😆

 

What's weird is, I started at 400 then worked all the way up to 1200mhz. It was running fine at 1200mhz then when I tried 1300mhz, it wasn't stable anymore. I couldn't get 1200 or 1000 to work properly at that point but 800 was fine. Probably should have tried a restart but by then I wanted to play with 3090Ti. 

 

This was my best port royal: https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1509397 

[Prema]

On 4/1/2022 at 1:32 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Welcome, Brother @Prema. So glad you joined us. You have been missed greatly.

 

On 4/1/2022 at 5:12 PM, Papusan said:

Long time no see. Nice see you here Prema 🙂

 

 

On 4/1/2022 at 10:50 PM, johnksss said:

My man Prema, how you been sir!

 

 

On 4/1/2022 at 11:26 PM, Reciever said:

@Prema Welcome back! Its good to see you. I hope you have been well since last we spoke

 

THX guys! Good to see the old gang hanging in there...I assume life has been rather unusual for many of us since 2020... 

 

On 4/1/2022 at 9:52 PM, Papusan said:

Yep....

10 hours ago, Meaker said:

 

*slaps hand* no play for you 😛

 

come again

 

 

[ryan]

11 hours ago, Papusan said:

All you need to upgrade for the desktop is graphics cards down the road. With a Jokebook you are stuck with what you have or need to buy a new (no other choices). A new gaming laptop will be more expensive than a new desktop card. The miner race is soon over and Nvidia and AMD will get a new competitor in Intel for graphics cards. Laptops will always be the gold mine (milking cow) for the different OEMs. Just add some Alu in the chassis, make it even thiiner and with RGB lights and they can tune profits in all ways.  

 

Lets take coming 4080... Next gen gaming laptops with mentioned cards will be +3000$ and most likely provide 50% less performance vs the desktop cards due the never ending TGP crippling from the laptop manifacturers and nvidia. The desktop cards will get increasesed TGP. See it this way... Laptop graphics will get well under half of the TGP power vs the desktop sibling. Aka from worse to worse for gaming laptops due the hunger for new and more modern Apple look-a-like chassis design. 

 

 

yeah but alot of people use their jokebooks for two years then sell to upgrade

[Mr. Fox]

13 hours ago, Rage Set said:

I'm with Mr. Fox, it is going to be awhile before I upgrade anything.

What might be more fun, and interesting, is waiting for the used GPU market to get screwed up for 3090 owners looking to sell/upgrade so that one can be grabbed  for a fraction of current going rate, then shunt mod it and force flash modded firmware to see if it can keep up with or beat the 3090 KPE. If it is anything like it has been with the 2080 Ti FTW3, then I suspect it will vaporize the performance difference and ultimately be better because of the wide variety of options available for third-party water blocks and back plates. I really love how the K|NGP|N cards are over-built, but at the end of the day I am no longer convinced that is matters that much. And, the proprietary form factor is, without question, an impediment where options and freedom start to matter. It's too bad it can't be overbuilt without so much disruption to physical compatibility. 

 

The nice thing about benching obsolete hardware is you can often swoop in and steal rank from people that previously set high scores when the hardware was current after it is too late for them to return and try harder because they no longer own the hardware and can't re-enter the competition. It is like playing the role of a sniper. You are patiently waiting in the distance while the battle rages, hiding in shadows... silently waiting until the opportunity for a stealth headshot surfaces. Nobody sees you and the moment they let their guard down *BAM* ...game over. Brother @Papusan has figured that out and pretty much mastered the art of it.

[Tenoroon]

55 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

The nice thing about benching obsolete hardware is you can often swoop in and steal rank from people that previously set high scores when the hardware was current after it is too late for them to return and try harder because they no longer own the hardware and can't re-enter the competition. It is like playing the role of a sniper. You are patiently waiting in the distance while the battle rages, hiding in shadows... silently waiting until the opportunity for a stealth headshot surfaces. Nobody sees you and the moment they let their guard down *BAM* ...game over. Brother @Papusan has figured that out and pretty much mastered the art of it.

This is my exact goal when it comes to my Alienware, and possibly Arrandale/Clarksfield processors in the near future.

[Mr. Fox]

23 hours ago, johnksss said:

On my older card...about memory=1250 to 1400 and on core=150 to 180 on a really good day.

New to me card. memory=1700+ and core=240+

Yes and this is where AMD is still smacking the stuffing out of Nvidia right now....

Stuck on 800Mhz does not look very inviting to potential buys....😆

 

 

On 4/2/2022 at 1:09 AM, ssj92 said:

Alright my 3090 KPE was just not cooperating with OC. I was at it for 2-3 hours. Seems 800Mhz on memory is all it can do before crashing. So here's some comparisons stock vs stock, 3090 KPE vs 3090Ti FTW3 Black Gaming. Basically one of the fastest 3090 and the base stat 3090Ti. Both cards were max power target and temp target but stock clocks. 

It is really inexcusable that they would even sell K|NGP|N or FTW3 cards with so much variance. They should have a much tighter control on binning and not sell crap samples for the same price as golden samples. It's a hell of a note to pay extra for something that is supposed to be awesome only to find out you bought a fancy piece of dung. They are pre-binning their KPE and FTW3 GPUs, so they already have the process in place to identify the garbage samples. If they are going to sell the crap samples they should identify them clearly by grade and sell them for a lower price with full disclosure. I'd even go as far as calling it dishonest to leave K|NGP|N and FTW3 buyers at the mercy of luck. They should all be very tight with little or no variance if they are being sold for the same price. I know I am not alone in saying that I would willingly pony up an extra $200-$300 for top bin quality. I'd also take a pass on something less to save money. Nobody likes getting screwed over because somebody them sold something the manufacturer knew was inferior before it left the factory.