*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

On 3/25/2022 at 10:28 PM, Tenoroon said:

Hahahaha, included the 51m on my paper to show how mainstream manufactures have failed to deliver on a "truly upgradeable" performance laptop. I'll be honest, my paper bashed Dell/Alienware a lot, but its deserved as a lot of their problems fit into my topic well.

Don't feel bad about calling them out. Any ill will and hate cast their way was foreseeable and should have been expected as an immediate and direct result of their deliberate bad choices and material misrepresentations as a company. When public ridicule is ineffective as a remedy you know it is time to pull the plug and walk away... do not resuscitate. Any company that behaves like that is not worthy of life support. In my mind, that kind of deceptive product representation and misleading behavior is tantamount to signing their own death warrant.

[johnksss]

A few runs with new card still on AIO....

[ryan]

3x what I get.....might have to switch to desktop

 

[Mr. Fox]

On 3/25/2022 at 5:07 PM, Mr. Fox said:

So, I played around with Linux a little more. Installed 7 Windows games from Steam, chosen completely at random, and the only one that did not work was Gears 5. These are the only 7 I have tried and 6 out of 7 ain't bad. Bright Memory Infinite, Crysis Remastered, Death Stranding,  Doom Eternal, Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition and Quake 2 RTX all played well. Only Crysis Remastered had a low framerate for the quality of my hardware.

 

So, I did a little more playing around and the next 6 games tested also functioned under Linux marvelously. Crysis Remastered got a bump in FPS as well, as I had forgotten to enable Proton Experimental for it. Halo Master Chief (tested Combat Evolved and Halo 4), Rise of the Tomb Raider and Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare and WWII are all working.

Edit: well, add Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare and Call of Duty: WWII to the Linux play list.

[Papusan]

I expect latency below 48ns is ok for DDR5.

 

 

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti is just 5% to 10% faster than RTX 3090

 

Other sources claim that the difference is not as big as this reports suggests. Around 5% difference is more likely to be observed, especially when compared custom models from the same company and series. Reviewers that might be using RTX 3090 Founders Edition for their comparisons may see higher difference than those using the hardware from the same company. This is due to the fact that most high-end RTX 3090 GPUs already had very high custom TDP out of the 350W range.

 

Anyon the have a prediction where the Ti will land vs 3090 ? 

 

This just show that Nvidia could give all 3090 cards an TDP above 400W.

 

And laptops will only be thinner and thinner. Wil also the ssd performance be crippled with Pcie 5.0 ssd's? 

 

 

Phison: Enthusiast PCIe 5.0 SSDs Will Require Active Cooling

By Anton Shilov published 1 day ago

Active cooling will be required for high-performance PCIe 5.0 SSDs, as other drives will get hotter.

 

Edit.

@Reciever Can something be done with the pict destruction? No need to reduce/compress the image size so hard. I prefer not to use a image host for posting single pictures. 

[ryan]

on a happy note! I'm breaking 9000 overall with my gaming clocks, great temps ect

 

 

 

heres my settings:

 

 

 

 

basically maxed, at 1080p I find it funny how a laptop 3060(small) can match or beat a rtx 3060 desktop (large)

 

 

whats settings were you using bro @Mr. Fox

 

also crysis is no longer cpu limited...

running at 2.2ghz and netting same fps

 

 

 

also @RecieverI love you and NBR, I think we got off on the wrong foot with the tech demo arguement, I'll retract and say you may be and are probably right, it's just that simpletons like my self need explaining and examples.....and lastly thank you from the bottom of my heart for bringing NBR back from the dead

[Reciever]

42 minutes ago, ryan said:

on a happy note! I'm breaking 9000 overall with my gaming clocks, great temps ect

 

 

 

heres my settings:

 

 

 

 

basically maxed, at 1080p I find it funny how a laptop 3060(small) can match or beat a rtx 3060 desktop (large)

 

 

whats settings were you using bro @Mr. Fox

 

 

 

also @RecieverI love you and NBR, I think we got off on the wrong foot with the tech demo arguement, I'll retract and say you may be and are probably right, it's just that simpletons like my self need explaining and examples.....and lastly thank you from the bottom of my heart for bringing NBR back from the dead

 

Its just a heated discussion, it doesnt mean I hate you or anything like that. 

Me, @Mr. Fox and @Papusan along with many others all got into numerous arguments on laptops to the point where I was blue in the face and still engaging. Just because there is a difference in opinion doesnt always 1:1 translate to right and wrong. Sometimes a difference in opinion is only just that. The world keeps spinning, just because you have a different take shouldnt mean automatic categorization into an oversimplified box. It is but 1 topic to which there are infinite. 

 

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, ryan said:

basically maxed, at 1080p I find it funny how a laptop 3060(small) can match or beat a rtx 3060 desktop (large)

Nvidia also enjoy castrate some desktop cards. They crippled  the 3060 desktop cards to push you over to an more expensive SKU. Be happy they didn't do the same for 3060 as they did for the 3080 Mobile 🙂 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, ryan said:

whats settings were you using bro @Mr. Fox

Something about Crysis Remastered just doesn't play nicely with Linux. I had to tone all of the settings down to medium and high, and whatever form of ray tracing they used slows to a crawl on Linux. It's the only game of those tested with a framerate lower than normal, but it is still very playable even though the benchmarked results are abnormally low for a 3090. It may also be something with DirectX. Most Windows games played on Linux use Vulkan, where that is an option, instead of DirectX.

[Mr. Fox]

17 hours ago, Papusan said:

And laptops will only be thinner and thinner. Wil also the ssd performance be crippled with Pcie 5.0 ssd's? 

Probably so. It seems the focus is more on the product and model names that appear in the list of hardware specifications rather than the numbers produced in terms of actual results. It appears that working well is optional as long as the list of specs is impressive to the kiddos.

 

Kind of like naming your Chihuahua "Killer" even though its ability to inflict severe injury or death is non-existent. 

[Tenoroon]

@Mr. FoxI'm installing and updating Win7 right now on my Alienware, but I had to reset the BIOS (it's a long story.) Unless I am wrong, and I might be, I remember you making a video of a BIOS walkthrough on one of your Alienware 18's for the 4930mx, and I'm pretty sure I used that video a long time ago to adjust my BIOS. I can't find the video anymore, did it ever exist in the first place? If so, do you know where it went? 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Tenoroon said:

@Mr. FoxI'm installing and updating Win7 right now on my Alienware, but I had to reset the BIOS (it's a long story.) Unless I am wrong, and I might be, I remember you making a video of a BIOS walkthrough on one of your Alienware 18's for the 4930mx, and I'm pretty sure I used that video a long time ago to adjust my BIOS. I can't find the video anymore, did it ever exist in the first place? If so, do you know where it went? 

It's still there. You just didn't go far enough back in my channel. You need to rewind 8 years LOL. It was almost 10 years ago that Alienware released their last good laptop. It is stupefying that people still buy their broken trash, even though it gets more broken with each generation. 

 

[Tenoroon]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's still there. You just didn't go far enough back in my channel. You need to rewind 8 years LOL. It was almost 10 years ago that Alienware released their last good laptop. It is stupefying that people still buy their broken trash.

 

 

Yeah, I saw that video thinking it was it and it wasn't. I found what I was looking for, my memory was wrong as it wasn't a video, but a thread you made on the old forums. 

I've been adjusting stuff. I'm running strong at 3.5 all cores, but the highest I could get in CBR15 was 730, like my previous record. 

The BIOS is a bit weird. I'm trying to get the BCLK as high as possible, but the highest I've been able to set it was 102.05 (which results to 101.87 in OS). If I go to 102.10 the system just freezes, so I think I need to increase the voltage in the BIOS, but I cannot figure out how. I've tried adjusting the "Core Extra Turbo Voltage" and "Core Voltage Offset," but those don't do anything in the OS. Only way I can adjust voltage is by using Throttlestop. Maybe @Papusancan help me 🙂

I'm going to try to hit 731, or anything higher. After I hit the limit of what I can do, I'll adjust the BIOS so I can fully unlock the 4710mq. I don't plan on submitting any of the fully unlocked runs to HWBOT as it doesn't feel legit. I've realized that I enjoy pushing these "locked" CPUs because everyone is basically on the same playing field, it's just "who can optimize the most" instead of say, a desktop processor where it's "who can brute force the most"

[Reciever]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's still there. You just didn't go far enough back in my channel. You need to rewind 8 years LOL. It was almost 10 years ago that Alienware released their last good laptop. It is stupefying that people still buy their broken trash, even though it gets more broken with each generation. 

 

32767 is a combination I searched high and low for and should be heralded from the rooftops

[Papusan]

55 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

The BIOS is a bit weird. I'm trying to get the BCLK as high as possible, but the highest I've been able to set it was 102.05 (which results to 101.87 in OS). If I go to 102.10 the system just freezes, so I think I need to increase the voltage in the BIOS, but I cannot figure out how. I've tried adjusting the "Core Extra Turbo Voltage" and "Core Voltage Offset," but those don't do anything in the OS. Only way I can adjust voltage is by using Throttlestop. Maybe @Papusancan help me 🙂

Maybe try an older XTU version for the BCLK clocks. Remember the old Haswel low end mobile chips could be a bit flaky with high BCLK ratio. And be sure you know how to reset NVRAM if XTU screw up for you with a no post. A countless amount people needed a new MB because Dell screwed up their last normal AW laptops (made it more difficult then normal for clearing NVRAM). If I remeber correctly I used voltage overide and not adaptive voltage. And with the Mx chips you didn't have to rely on increased BCLK clocks. Long time since so I can't remember everything correctly. Have fun 🙂

[Mr. Fox]

53 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

Yeah, I saw that video thinking it was it and it wasn't. I found what I was looking for, my memory was wrong as it wasn't a video, but a thread you made on the old forums. 

Yes, the video was merely a multimedia prop created for that thread. It is sad how much valuable information will be lost from the death of that community. Even sadder that Tech Target doesn't care. Glad you found it in the archive.

[Mr. Fox]

35 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Maybe try an older XTU version for the BCLK clocks.

Comments from the video...

3 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

I'm installing and updating Win7 right now on my Alienware

And, here it is in my old Alienware archive. [ Download XTU 4.2.0.8 ]

[Tenoroon]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Maybe try an older XTU version for the BCLK clocks. 

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

And, here it is in my old Alienware archive. [ Download XTU 4.2.0.8 ]

Thanks 😉

 

 

[ryan]

1769 with a severely underclocked 11800h....cpus have come a long way!!

 

[Papusan]

2 minutes ago, ryan said:

1769 with a severely underclocked 11800h....cpus have come a long way!!

 

Not so sure about that. The 11800H have double the cores vs Haswell mobile and on top 8th gen newer chips. 2.4 times the performance with double the cores. Rather say it’s a failure!

[ryan]

bro nah just nah....remember 2630qm? it was a pretty big step up....12th gen and 11th gen aint bad..

 

 

can you elaborate/>?

[Papusan]

1 minute ago, ryan said:

bro nah just nah....remember 2630qm? it was a pretty big step up....12th gen and 11th gen aint bad..

 

 

can you elaborate/>?

Haswell is an 4 core chips. Cut your score in half and compare then see the progress. On top it use loads more power vs an low end mobile chips from 2013. Imagine you reducing power down to 50w vs what it runs for that score. 

[ryan]

oic haha.....yeah I guess your right.

 

They are constantly tweaking their designs though its not like the doubling law like back in the early days....it's gotta be hard improving cpus 20-30 percent each year, like what can we expect....humans are monkeys afterall

[Tenoroon]

3 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Haswell is an 4 core chips. Cut your score in half and compare then see the progress. On top it use loads more power vs an low end mobile chips from 2013. Imagine you reducing power down to 50w vs what it runs for that score. 

I wouldn't really say 50, this CPU is chugging around 65-70 watts. I can probably undervolt more, but I wanted to be safe. 

[Reciever]

On 3/28/2022 at 12:05 AM, Papusan said:

I expect latency below 48ns is ok for DDR5.

 

 

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti is just 5% to 10% faster than RTX 3090

 

Other sources claim that the difference is not as big as this reports suggests. Around 5% difference is more likely to be observed, especially when compared custom models from the same company and series. Reviewers that might be using RTX 3090 Founders Edition for their comparisons may see higher difference than those using the hardware from the same company. This is due to the fact that most high-end RTX 3090 GPUs already had very high custom TDP out of the 350W range.

 

Anyon the have a prediction where the Ti will land vs 3090 ? 

 

This just show that Nvidia could give all 3090 cards an TDP above 400W.

 

And laptops will only be thinner and thinner. Wil also the ssd performance be crippled with Pcie 5.0 ssd's? 

 

 

Phison: Enthusiast PCIe 5.0 SSDs Will Require Active Cooling

By Anton Shilov published 1 day ago

Active cooling will be required for high-performance PCIe 5.0 SSDs, as other drives will get hotter.

 

Edit.

@Reciever Can something be done with the pict destruction? No need to reduce/compress the image size so hard. I prefer not to use a image host for posting single pictures. 

I have a list of things I want to cover alongside this topic, now that we have completed the domain name change and @Hiew for now has gotten a little caught up on the work side of things we can more constructively see how we can make some changes