*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

38 minutes ago, Papusan said:

What happened to Jayz 4060Ti review video? Why did he off-load the video?

 

 

 

 

Can anyone see whats wrong with Pcmag.com ? Or is it something wrong with the review editor? Maybe he was drunk or something when he reviewed the 4060Ti .....

 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Founders Edition Review

 

Verdict:

The AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT is available for as low as $319.99 at the time of writing, and though it performs close to the RTX 4060 Ti at times, we’d still say it's worthwhile to spend the extra $80 or so on a $399 Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 Ti instead.

 

That DLSS 3 support is also the biggest advantage the RTX 4060 Ti has over the RTX 3070. A few base-model RTX 3070 cards are available for $399 at this writing, matching the price of the RTX 4060 Ti. As things stand, we see no reason not to buy the newer card, though we'll have to see how the RTX 4060 Ti's availability and partner-card pricing shakes out on the street.

Jay had some kind of surgery, so Phil did the video. Apparently, Jay is going to be out of commission for a bit while he recovers. No idea what the deal is, but he looks medicated in that video.

 

Here is a comment that explained the situation.

 

While buying an 8GB video card in 2023 is not very smart, and it was not smart for NVIDIA to offer one, I do not agree with the logic that buying a second hand AMD card for slightly less that offers similar performance is an equally good or better option. I think it is a bad option and I would buy a 4060 Ti before I would spend a similar or slightly lesser amount for an obsolete 6700XT / 6750XT.  All things being mostly equal, I will always choose an NVIDIA GPU over a similarly priced AMD card if for no other reasons than better drivers and better features, and fewer bugs.

[electrosoft]

55 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Jay had some kind of surgery, so Phil did the video. Apparently, Jay is going to be out of commission for a bit while he recovers. No idea what the deal is, but he looks medicated in that video.

 

Here is a comment that explained the situation.

 

While buying an 8GB video card in 2023 is not very smart, and it was not smart for NVIDIA to offer one, I do not agree with the logic that buying a second hand AMD card for slightly less that offers similar performance is an equally good or better option. I think it is a bad option and I would buy a 4060 Ti before I would spend a similar or slightly lesser amount for an obsolete 6700XT / 6750XT.  All things being mostly equal, I will always choose an NVIDIA GPU over a similarly priced AMD card if for no other reasons than better drivers and better features, and fewer bugs.

 

Yeah he definitely was out of it.

 

I do not agree with all the backlash to a degree. I think the 4060ti is a fine card just not at that price point for the performance uplift generation to generation. Seeing as Nvidia already slowed/shut down 4070 production already I suspect they may feel the same wrath with the 4060ti.

 

With VRAM being such a central issue (feeling yet again vindicated from late 2019/early 2020 when I was getting jumped on about VRAM issues and problems even with general allocations being high), an AMD card makes sense especially a 6750xt at 319.99 with 12GB vs a $399.99 4060ti with 8GB:

 

 

A 16GB 4060ti at $399.99 and 8GB 4060ti at $349.99 (along with 4060 at $299.99) would have reviewers very happy at least due to the memory bump even if the overall performance vs the 3060ti is rather poor.

 

 

[KING19]

Mind well post this one too because its reliable but this guy is more entertaining and informative!.

 

 

Cant escape from the castration!.

[Papusan]

Here's one more. Posted 1 hours ago...... Why me?! I've seen the horror stories on this sub of the rare occurrence of melted adapters and I truly hoped I wasn't going to be another. 

Melted 90 Degree adapter

Anyone have seen a statistic if this occurs more on the A or B variant connectors?

 

My HOF card have the connectors soldered the opposite way on the GPU PCB

 

The 4090FE have the connector mounted same way as the HOF. And the 4090Fe card ain't so affected by the smoke and fire even it have a 600W max TGP. Could be a coincidence. But can't see Nvidia have done something different than their AIC partners 4090 cards. The only difference is probably the numbers of cards sold (4090FE's have been is short supply vs all the AIC cards). 

 

 

And the usual QC problems..... You are not alone seeing this bro @electrosoft

 

The included adapter from Gigabyte works just fine but when I use the Cablemod Adapter the GPU randomly spinns up and the PC blackscreens. Yep, the included cable salad is nice to have. A must have spare part for every gamer 🙂

 

Imagine how it would be for Nvidia and it's AIC partners if the included cable salad have been of similar quality? Not so sure I have seen so many complaints about the included cable is the reason for the many black screens/shutdowns/crashes (I don't talk about the melt Hell who occurs with all sorts of cable/adapters).

PC crash with 12vhpwr custom cable

 

[Papusan]

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

What happened to Jayz 4060Ti review video? Why did he off-load the video? Ans is there a cached video out there?

Here's the Jayz 4060Ti review video that got off-loaded from YouTube... This card can serve you a few years forwards (from 12:00), LOOL

 

Boiled down. A amazing card for MSRP - A really really solid cards for the money🤢

 

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/9106dd2739c4a217de56fd38373b5c5c1020f00643925f2860a7ef3a461f0d8f?nocache=1

 

https://files.catbox.moe/ef3b94.webm

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20230523162823/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=995Vu55tpfM

 

5 hours ago, KING19 said:

Mind well post this one too because its reliable but this guy is more entertaining and informative!.

 

Cant escape from the castration!.

 

KitGuruTech - RTX 4060 Ti 8GB - we just can't recommend it [Full Review] 31:53 Closing thoughts. A real shame.

 

Nvidia RTX 4060 Ti Review: 8GB of VRAM at $400 is a No-Go techspot.com

[Mr. Fox]

Just now, Papusan said:

My HOF card have the connectors soldered the opposite way on the GPU PCB

The MSI Suprim is the same. The sensor pins are next to the PCB.

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Definitely going to be a nice chip once I delid and go to bare die. Using 1.341V static vCore at 58x on P, 46x on E, 50x on Cache, 8200 on Memory. The 13900K needed 1.350V for 56x on P-cores. It is insanely hot running without a delid and KPX paste on the IHS. Gonna fix that problem next.

[Raiderman]

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

TL;DR?

^^^ What he said, LOL... ^^^

I dont think I could deal with the dust in an open test bench. My Rig runs 24/7 pretty much, and the amount of crap that would build up on it would drive me bonkers. I have always been a case slut, and enjoy the aesthetics of a good looking set up. I guess if I was super serious about benching, then i would probably have an open bench, so I prefer an enclosure. My PC does not go under the desk, it sits on top to one side.

Excuse the mess, still working on getting the office all together.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I dont think I could deal with the dust in an open test bench. My Rig runs 24/7 pretty much, and the amount of crap that would build up on it would drive me bonkers. I have always been a case slut, and enjoy the aesthetics of a good looking set up. I guess if I was super serious about benching, then i would probably have an open bench, so I prefer an enclosure. My PC does not go under the desk, it sits on top to one side.

Excuse the mess, still working on getting the office all together.

 

 

That looks really great, bro. Super clean. I'm not seeing the mess that you referred to LOL. 

 

Yup, trying to minimize dust was the reason I left the open bench and went back to an enclosed case. Had it actually worked out the way I expected, that would have been great. In reality, it didn't solve my dust problem at all. It might have even made it a little bit worse. It's hard to quantify that since there's no way to measure the dust. Ultimately, I ended up having more surfaces to clean that were harder to get clean due to having more nooks and crannies to get dirty.  Everything on the outside gets dusty. Everything on the inside gets dusty. All of the surfaces seem  to need an equal amount of manual cleaning.

 

 

[tps3443]

21 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

Nice!

 

But seriously....

 

I say this with the utmost respect....

 

GO GET A 4090 ALREADY!  😁😆

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NEVERRRRRR MUWAHAHAHAH!!!!!

 

lol. Kidding. Honestly, I’m just waiting to

upgrade. This 3090 is super fast still, 16,200ish Port Royal with my current profile. I launch titles and max them all out perfectly fine at 2560x1440P 80+ to 100+ FPS easy with even the most demanding titles. I’m waiting for the 4090Ti or 4090 Titan to see what happens with regular 4090 prices. I’d like to grab a cheap 4090 HOF. Or maybe splurge and grab a full on Titan of 2023 for $2,999.

 

I will say this though. For the first time I saw a game push my GPU pretty dang hard, this was last night. I was cruising through steam and I bought “Callisto effect” on sale for like $30 bucks. And I maxed it out 100%, ray tracing, and no down scaling enabled at all, it was averaging about 70’s 80’s. But I did see my system dip to 51 fps at one point in the game. I was pretty surprised. The graphics looked amazing though. 

[Papusan]

18 hours ago, Papusan said:

And the usual QC problems..... You are not alone seeing this bro @electrosoft

And it continue. CableMod is under fire😎 Will Cable Mod issue an recall of all cable/adapters and offer all revised 12VHPWR products to everyone? Nope. This would damage their reputation and cut into the profits (pure loss).

 

 

Black screens, shutdowns and crashes........ Feel you are lucky. Could be worse😁

 

Black screen, fans revving up to 100%, pc remains unusable - RTX 4090

So I have some issues I think with my CableMod 180 deg adapter and/or my CableMod 12VHPWR cable connected to it. I previously used an nvidia adapter, no issue

 

Meltfest incoming.......

Where is the quality control with companies these days.. it's a joke. The only people who lose are the consumers when the blame game starts and you can't get refunds because of all the finger pointing. All I'm seeing is "premium" exorbitantly overpriced and poorly manufactured products.

 

[Etern4l]

18 minutes ago, Papusan said:

And it continue. CableMod is under fire😎 Will Cable Mod issue an recall of all cable/adapters and offer all revised 12VHPWR products to everyone? Nope. 

 

Black screens, shutdowns and crashes........ Feel you are lucky. Could be worse😁

 

Black screen, fans revving up to 100%, pc remains unusable - RTX 4090

So I have some issues I think with my CableMod 180 deg adapter and/or my CableMod 12VHPWR cable connected to it. I previously used an nvidia adapter, no issue

 

Meltfest incoming.......

Where is the quality control with companies these days.. it's a joke. The only people who lose are the consumers when the blame game starts and you can't get refunds because of all the finger pointing. All I'm seeing is "premium" exorbitantly overpriced and poorly manufactured products.

 

 

I totally called this. Very suspicious of any gimmicks like this, including contact frames etc. after the bending fiasco. Shouldn't need any those things, products ought to work properly as delivered by OEMs.

[Papusan]

44 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

I totally called this. Very suspicious of any gimmicks like this, including contact frames etc. after the bending fiasco. Shouldn't need any those things, products ought to work properly as delivered by OEMs.

And AMD doesn't make it much better. Bad producs and quality problems is nowadays golden standard. Cost cutting all over the line. If you cut costs... You have to expect worse products/quality problems. It's up to the consumer if you accept it or not.

 

Both AMD and Nvidia know everything about the competitors new not released  products. Almost as they cooperate in the market. And they do. Be you sure. What a ugly business.

AMD is a Mess: Radeon RX 7600 GPU Review & Benchmarks

 

AMD Fails Again: Radeon RX 7600 Review

 

AMD is on the way damaging their brand due they want nvidia prices vs performance. They lack the features but still want Nvidia price premium. It was the same with their first gen 16 cores Ryzen chips. They was the first brand to put $800 USD in modern time for a mainstream Cpu. 

[electrosoft]

16 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

I totally called this. Very suspicious of any gimmicks like this, including contact frames etc. after the bending fiasco. Shouldn't need any those things, products ought to work properly as delivered by OEMs.

 

What issues did you find with the contact frame outside of human error in regards to torque?

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

41 minutes ago, Papusan said:

And AMD doesn't make it much better. Bad producs and quality problems is nowadays golden standard. Cost cutting all over the line. If you cut costs... You have to expect worse products/quality problems. It's up to the consumer if you accept it or not.

 

Both AMD and Nvidia know everything about the competitors new not launched products. Almost as they cooperate in the market. And they do. Be you sure. What a ugly business.

AMD is a Mess: Radeon RX 7600 GPU Review & Benchmarks

 

Intel Arc A770 is the better GPU here. The RX 7600 is cheap GPU for people that need basic output and the ability to play YouTube videos, or smartphone games on PC such as Tetris, Flow Free, Bejeweled, Angry Birds and Candy Crush.

[Etern4l]

38 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

What issues did you find with the contact frame outside of human error in regards to torque?

 

 

 

Well, right, a CPU ILM is not really meant to be fitted by humans in the first place (we don't have 4 hands with precision torque-controlled screwdrivers), so the first human error here is the fall for silly Internet marketing which advertises purported benefits of the device (in the case of GN, in a ludicrous manner in retrospect), and consequently the very removal of a factory-calibrated ILM, followed by its replacement by a gimmick which comes with no torque specification, so there is no way to fit it properly. You can get lucky, or you can ruin your mobo. 

 

Edit: BTW Jay offered a more honest review ("no difference, whatevs"). I have more and more respect for that guy now after he pulled the shilly 4060 Ti review. A rare breed, hope he recovers soon.

[Papusan]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Intel Arc A770 is the better GPU here.

So in short. Only two good options for new GPUs in 2023.... Intel Arc A770 and the brand new 4090😎 Fantastic for the gamers. Either go for the top or the bottom. Nothing in between. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

16 minutes ago, Papusan said:

So in short. Only two good options for new GPUs in 2023.... Intel Arc A770 and the brand new 4090😎 Fantastic for the gamers. 

 

Or, depending on how you look at it...

We can ask the same question of NVIDIA and AMD now...

$300? Really?

[electrosoft]

16 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Well, right, a CPU ILM is not really meant to be fitted by humans in the first place (we don't have 4 hands with precision torque-controlled screwdrivers), so the first human error here is the fall for silly Internet marketing which advertises purported benefits of the device (in the case of GN, in a ludicrous manner in retrospect), and consequently the very removal of a factory-calibrated ILM, followed by its replacement by a gimmick which comes with no torque specification, so there is no way to fit it properly. You can get lucky, or you can ruin your mobo. 

 

Edit: BTW Jay offered a more honest review ("no difference, whatevs"). I have more and more respect for that guy now after he pulled the shilly 4060 Ti review. A rare breed, hope he recovers soon.

 

Ah ok. I was just checking if there was some other unknown issue outside of human error/torque. Some see no results while others do with the contact frame. As always, YMMV.

 

I always liked Jay. Just a dude who likes cars and tech and made a channel about it that took off. He never takes himself too seriously and it looks like they have more fun than not making videos.

 

 

[electrosoft]

Rando repair video and Greg noting the 12VHPWR cable was not fully inserted from the owner....

 

 

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Ah ok. I was just checking if there was some other unknown issue outside of human error/torque. Some see no results while others do with the contact frame. As always, YMMV.

 

I always liked Jay. Just a dude who likes cars and tech and made a channel about it that took off. He never takes himself too seriously and it looks like they have more fun than not making videos.

 

 

 

I would stress the distinction between an avoidable human error and an inevitable one. 

 

If I give you a precision torque screwdriver, and advise you to screw in the contact frame uniformly at 4x0.1 Nm, and you end up with 0.3,0.2,0.05,0.15 - that's a probably avoidable human error, depending on the precision of the tool. If I ask you to just use your hand armed with a wrench and apply 4x X torque, you are dead in the water. You have virtually no chance of getting it right, because you don't really know the actual value of X in the first place. You might think you know, or have a good idea, but you can't be sure. Engaging in that task at all inevitably leads to an error, but of course one can actually prevent it by taking a step back and not playing the silly game in the first place. Requires some insight into the possible consequences though, and these include a complete waste of time and money. 

[Papusan]

"ZERO" RTX 4060 Ti pre-launch consumer interest reported as retailers allegedly anticipate extremely low demand

Another source mentioned that the RTX 4060 Ti could be “VERY” easy to get possibly due to low demand. Where's the miners? And where is the scalpers? Sleeping? 8GB vram should be more than enough for mining😁

 

How gamers feel about the new Gpu prices and Nvidia's cost cuttings.............

 

 

 

Fed up with NVIDIA and AMD pricing? Intel Arc A750 GPU is down to $199

There's a lot of fuss right now about AMD and NVIDIA's new mid-range RDNA 3 and Lovelace graphics cards, with the RTX 4060 Ti just emerging today, and the RX 7600 set to be hot on its heels tomorrow - but what if you want a much more wallet-friendly GPU than either of those? Come on Intel.... Push it down to $160 and you'll own most of the 1080P gaming market. And please, do the same with Intel Arc A770. Sub $210 anyone?

 

Edit. LOOL Let the game start for those that don't bother/want play coming games in 1080p Ultra.

NVIDIA RTX 4060 Ti drops below MSRP in Germany on its launch day

This took much a lot less time than expected.
 

 

[Raiderman]

18 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That looks really great, bro. Super clean. I'm not seeing the mess that you referred to LOL. 

 

Yup, trying to minimize dust was the reason I left the open bench and went back to an enclosed case. Had it actually worked out the way I expected, that would have been great. In reality, it didn't solve my dust problem at all. It might have even made it a little bit worse. It's hard to quantify that since there's no way to measure the dust. Ultimately, I ended up having more surfaces to clean that were harder to get clean due to having more nooks and crannies to get dirty.  Everything on the outside gets dusty. Everything on the inside gets dusty. All of the surfaces seem  to need an equal amount of manual cleaning.

 

 

Have you looked into dust free filters? I know it's always going to be a losing battle in Arizona, but there are some nice filter screens available that don't cut down on airflow much. I need to find the link I had to some super nice fan filters

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

I would stress the distinction between an avoidable human error and an inevitable one. 

 

If I give you a precision torque screwdriver, and advise you to screw in the contact frame uniformly at 4x0.1 Nm, and you end up with 0.3,0.2,0.05,0.15 - that's a probably avoidable human error, depending on the precision of the tool. If I ask you to just use your hand armed with a wrench and apply 4x X torque, you are dead in the water. You have virtually no chance of getting it right, because you don't really know the actual value of X in the first place. You might think you know, or have a good idea, but you can't be sure. Engaging in that task at all inevitably leads to an error, but of course one can actually prevent it by taking a step back and not playing the silly game in the first place. Requires some insight into the possible consequences though, and these include a complete waste of time and money. 

 

Let me pre-empt this by saying I use a Torque screwdriver for establishing optimal tolerances in many scenarios where torque is variable and not preset to establish precision tightening. This includes primarily laptops but also desktops along with other tasks when needed. This approach is also how I documented and found out it was the uneven pressure of the lower left CPU retention screw on the X170SM-G that was problematic in comparison to the others causing post and crashing issues.

 

With that being said, plenty of users hand tighten and working within that dynamic margin of error have manage to drop their temps. Others, like Jay, did not really experience a worthwhile change. When problems have presented themselves (usually no post, crash during thermal expansion and faulty memory channels), they go in and manually loosen/tighten till it works and then it works for them (aka well enough).

 

Some contact frames do come with measurements/recommendations. There are also many trial and error guides on line too.

 

There are two trains of thought here:

 

The idea of a contact frame is a waste and not needed even if mounted properly.

 

The human error involved in hand tightening is more problems than it is worth.

 

What is your opinion on both?

 

 

 

 

 

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

"ZERO" RTX 4060 Ti pre-launch consumer interest reported as retailers allegedly anticipate extremely low demand

Another source mentioned that the RTX 4060 Ti could be “VERY” easy to get possibly due to low demand. Where's the miners? And where is the scalpers? Sleeping? 8GB vram should be more than enough for mining😁

 

How gamers feel about the new Gpu prices and Nvidia's cost cuttings.............

 

 

Look, Nvidia cornered the market. They are a monopolist, their pricing reflects that position, and AI runs on GPUs.

 

The range starts with 4060 which is not very generous and there isn't really anything remotely compelling until the $500 4060 Ti 16GB, then again there is nothing really gripping until the 4090, except perhaps the 24GB 3090 Ti for professional purposes (not really available anymore). Just a linear range with intermediate compromise options.

 

3060      12GB DDR6, 12 TFLOPS      $350

4060      8GB DDR6, 15 TFLOPS       $350 

4060 Ti  8GB DDR6, 22 TFLOPS       $400

4060 Ti  16GB DDR6, 22 TFLOPS     $500

4070 Ti  12GB DDR6X, 40 TFLOPS,  $800

3090 Ti  24GB DDR6X, 40 TFLOPS, $1100 

4080      16GB DDR6X, 48 TFLOPS,  $1200

4090      24GB DDR6X, 82 TFLOPS, $1600

 

There is some consistency in that, e.g. comparing 4060 and 4090 - for 4.6x the price, you get 3x the VRAM capacity, DDR6X and almost 4x the VRAM bandwidth, and 5.5x the compute performance. They just want people to pay proportionally for more oomph. They are ruthlessly precise, as expected given their leadership in AI. Sign of the times folks. Hooray, what a time to be alive etc lol

 

The question is whether the price of the 4090 is justified. At this point the regulators would need to take a look (given we are talking about a de facto monopolist), but given the pricing of GPUs in the DC market, my guess is that it actually is, unfortunately. Will get worse once demand for GPU power increases with Microsoft sticking AI in the next version of Windows 11, Office 365 etc.

 

  

32 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Some contact frames do come with measurements/recommendations. There are also many trial and error guides on line too.

 

There are two trains of thought here:

 

The idea of a contact frame is a waste and not needed even if mounted properly.

 

The human error involved in hand tightening is more problems than it is worth.

 

What is your opinion on both?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not talking about trial and error guides obviously, as that's nonsensical, there is no immediate feedback. The only trial and error you can do is fit, wait a few months and check if you destroyed the super-delicate socket, or possibly damaged the CPU solder, due to lateral force/stress being applied over extended time. If you change CPUs/mobos regularly like some people here, then the risk is obviously lower.

 

Neither the derRoman's or the cheapo Thermaltake LGA1700 contact frame comes with exact Nm value recommendation, so your torque screwdriver would be of limited use. My guess is that the reason is that this is mobo- or ILM variant dependent, therefore they cannot provide this - only the manufacturer knows the exact spec, and they are not going to publish them as they don't want people removing the ILMs. I guess you could try to reverse engineer the rough torque while undoing the screws on the ILM, but it would be an approximate effort.

 

Seeing how marvelously the ILM performs on my replacement mobo, I firmly believe that a contact frame is an utter gimmick and a waste of time (*U to GN for peddling this, although to be fair their fitting videos were full of subtle warnings I enthusiastically chose to ignore). The only thing I did with the new mobo was take a moment to make sure that the ILM lever (which does have a little play) is centered before locking.

Again, if someone does use a contact frame, an error is unavoidable as they don't know the exact torque spec.

[Papusan]

45 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Look, Nvidia cornered the market. They are a monopolist, their pricing reflects that position, and AI runs on GPUs.

 

The range starts with 4060 which is not very generous and there isn't really anything remotely compelling until the $500 4060 Ti 16GB, then again there is nothing really gripping until the 4090, except perhaps the 24GB 3090 Ti for professional purposes (not really available anymore). Just a linear range with intermediate compromise options.

 

3060      12GB DDR6, 12 TFLOPS      $350

4060      8GB DDR6, 15 TFLOPS       $350 

4060 Ti  8GB DDR6, 22 TFLOPS       $400

4060 Ti  16GB DDR6, 22 TFLOPS     $500

4070 Ti  12GB DDR6X, 40 TFLOPS,  $800

3090 Ti  24GB DDR6X, 40 TFLOPS, $1100 

4080      16GB DDR6X, 48 TFLOPS,  $1200

4090      24GB DDR6X, 82 TFLOPS, $1600

 

There is some consistency in that, e.g. comparing 4060 and 4090 - for 4.6x the price, you get 3x the VRAM capacity, DDR6X and almost 4x the VRAM bandwidth, and 5.5x the compute performance. They just want people to pay proportionally for more oomph. They are ruthlessly precise, as expected given their leadership in AI. Sign of the times folks. Hooray, what a time to be alive etc lol

 

The question is whether the price of the 4090 is justified. At this point the regulators would need to take a look (given we are talking about a de facto monopolist), but given the pricing of GPUs in the DC market, my guess is that it actually is, unfortunately. Will get worse once demand for GPU power increases with Microsoft sticking AI in the next version of Windows 11, Office 365 etc.

 

  

 

Not talking about trial and error guides obviously, as that's nonsensical, there is no immediate feedback. The only trial and error you can do is fit, wait a few months and check if you destroyed the super-delicate socket, or possibly damaged the CPU solder, due to lateral force/stress being applied over extended time.

 

Neither the derRoman's or the cheapo Thermaltake LGA1700 contact frame comes with exact Nm value recommendation, so your torque screwdriver would be of limited use. My guess is that the reason is that this is mobo- or ILM variant dependent, therefore they cannot provide this - only the manufacturer knows the exact spec, and they are not going to publish them as they don't want people removing the ILMs. I guess you could try to reverse engineer the rough torque while undoing the screws on the ILM, but it would be an approximate effort.

 

Seeing how marvelously the ILM performs on my replacement mobo, I firmly believe that a contact frame is an utter gimmick and a waste of time (*U to GN for peddling this, although to be fair their fitting videos were full of subtle warnings I enthusiastically chose to ignore). The only thing I did with the new mobo was take a moment to make sure that the ILM lever (which does have a little play) is centered before locking.

Again, if someone does use a contact frame, an error is unavoidable as they don't know the exact torque spec.

Everything would look nicer if Nvidia could stick to same 6.6% price hike as 4090 for all cards outside the 4060Ti and below (those should have been cheaper). The ice on the cake would be if Nvidia could keept 4090 at $1499. Everyone understand that money will lose it's value with inflation. But there is a major difference between up to +72% price increase and 6.6% price inflation. And 4060Ti and SKUs below is die/mem bus capped so the prices for those cards has to be put well below MSRP and infation... 

 

Gaming is still important for Nvidia. But if they price their Geforce gaming products the way they do now, we will see nvidia will see worse times forwards.....

 

Press Release

 

45 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Again, if someone does use a contact frame, an error is unavoidable as they don't know the exact torque spec.

If they already have a torque screwdriver... Why not test the torque on the orginal ILM? Start with low torque value and work you upwards to find the specs. This before you remove the ILM for the contact frame you anyway will swap in.