*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That would be wonderful (huge lawsuit and recall). I agree the problem is the latch. That's why I suggested the screws. Either solution (yours or mine) would work. We live in a world where "bright" ideas (that actually aren't) causes solutions to problems that don't exist, or create new problems in the process of fixing an old one. The proverbial cure being worse than the disease. There is no place where this is more apparent than technology. Everyone is in a rush to get rich selling solutions to fake problems or inventing new gimmicks that nobody actually needs.  

Technology is always interesting, even when the logic behind it is flawed and driven by an irrational agenda.

 

I have alredy mentioned this in older posts... We will get new stupid ideas how to fix a flawed connector design. I would be angry if all AIC partners start go with simiar or more idiotic design solutions with the same trashy connector. 

 

PRESS RELEASE

(PR) Inno3D introduces GeForce RTX 4070 and RTX 4060 graphics cards with hidden power cables

[Raiderman]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yeah those timings aren't great. Even my few sets of M-die sitting around (generic sticks in generic heatsinks and a pair of G.skill's) are much better. I did have to exchange one pair of the G.skill's though to get a properly working set.

 

See if you can push it up to 1.4v and do CL 30 and push TWR to 48, TRFC to 500 and TREFI to 65535 for starters and pass a basic TM5 run.

 

 

 

Well....

 

That's rather disheartening to see from EVGA. First their GPUs and now a reduction in PSU warranty from 10yrs to 3yrs? *sigh*

 

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SP115 has arrived @tps3443

 

Ive tried cl32 and end up with the A6 hang. Its annoying to try and tune something, and your system hangs up on post. The A6 debug code is supposed to have something to do with scsi initiate, and I am not sure what that would have to do with memory. It would seem that it would be a HDD failure or something along those lines.

Maybe I should get some expo modules and try those? The stock timings on mine are 36-36-36-96 @6000mhz.

[Mr. Fox]

10 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I have alredy mentioned this in older posts... We will get new stupid ideas how to fix a flawed connector design. I would be angry if they all AIC partners go with simiar or more idiotic design solutions with the same trashy connector. 

 

PRESS RELEASE

(PR) Inno3D introduces GeForce RTX 4070 and RTX 4060 graphics cards with hidden power cables

Yes, I remember that post. That is a terrible idea. Make it harder to tell the cable is not properly seated. Stupid people should not be allowed to create anything.

 

9 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Ive tried cl32 and end up with the A6 hang. Its annoying to try and tune something, and your system hangs up on post. The A6 debug code is supposed to have something to do with scsi initiate, and I am not sure what that would have to do with memory. It would seem that it would be a HDD failure or something along those lines.

DDR5 is very weird in some ways. If I don't get the memory overclock close enough to where it needs to be it causes other weird and totally unexpected problems. For example, if I make the timings too tight it might boot fine, but all of the NVMe drives disappear and are not visible in the BIOS unless I loosen the timings or add more voltage. On the surface it seems totally unrelated.

 

Did you try giving the memory more voltage? Sometimes just a measley 0.050V (50mV) on memory voltage is enough to mean the difference between not working or non-functional and stable.

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, I remember that post. That is a terrible idea. Make it harder to tell the cable is not properly seated. Stupid people should not be allowed to create anything.

 

DDR5 is very weird in some ways. If I don't get the memory overclock close enough to where it needs to be it causes other weird and totally unexpected problems. For example, if I make the timings too tight it might boot fine, but all of the NVMe drives disappear and are not visible in the BIOS unless I loosen the timings or add more voltage. On the surface it seems totally unrelated.

 

Did you try giving the memory more voltage? Sometimes just a measley 0.050V (50mV) on memory voltage is enough to mean the difference between not working or non-functional and stable.

And this is from an older post I made. Even Jayz was into this now. The adapters is a worse product than a cable with vanilla/angled 12VHPWR connector. I stand with what I have said. Avoid the angled adapter @electrosoft

 

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TechPowerUp NVCleanstall 1.16.0 relased June 19, 2023

[Custom90gt]

@Mr. Fox Sadly no green sticks yet, just got a note they cleared customs two days ago though...

[Mr. Fox]

@RaidermanI think you were interested in this at the good price. It is $49.99 again.

https://www.newegg.com/evga-z15-rgb-kailh-speed-silver/p/N82E16823953007

[ryan]

I have finally got my performance back up after a little while I think im going to stop here and call it a day. I tried many many drvers and these seemed to work the best and without nvcleaninstall. I don't mind telemetry so long as my performance is  good(nothing to spy on).

 

532.03 best for timespy so far out of about 20 tested drivers.

overclocked to 175/420 average clocks are 1965 with good temps, but i'd imagine that would change after 30-40min of gaming. Ill just lock 60 at 4k on all my games.

 

best score for gpu so far, cpu is undervolted and underclocked to 3.1ghz for lower gpu and cpu temps as they share heat pipes..

 

its not in the top 100 but thats fine, its a random silicon lottery with laptops, and after following the guide here I think its safe to say ill never be able to lock the clocks in. I tried afterburner and evgas x1 software and it doesnt want to stay consistant.

 

 

it would be really nice to be in the top 10 though, maybe you guys know of a hack

 

not sure if this is my highest ultra score but it looks good gpu wise. score is in the top 30, not bad for me. its so close where like 5 points could mean going up 5-10 places on the leader boards

 

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Ive tried cl32 and end up with the A6 hang. Its annoying to try and tune something, and your system hangs up on post. The A6 debug code is supposed to have something to do with scsi initiate, and I am not sure what that would have to do with memory. It would seem that it would be a HDD failure or something along those lines.

Maybe I should get some expo modules and try those? The stock timings on mine are 36-36-36-96 @6000mhz.

 

It just sounds like garbage sticks are in play possibly outside of the reboot hangs. Both of these sets of M-die I have will do 30-36-36-48 TRFC 500, tREFI 65535 and even trfcsb 300 or lower. The one set with after market heatsinks on them can even do TRTP 12, RRDS/RRDL 4 and a perfect x4 tfaw of 16. The G.skill sticks can't go as tight on terts at 1.4v

 

You could try pushing Vmem up like @Mr. Fox suggested if only to see if that will allow them to boot and/or at least pass TM5 and see how hot they might get under load monitoring in HWI. I saw you had them at 1.38 so push past my suggestion of at least 1.4 and try 1.45 but Samsung is almost always going to be more problematic than Hynix on AM5.

 

Again, I don't want to give the impression like all the sets of DDR5 I've used and tested worked great and were just magic unicorns prancing across my Carbon X670E. I sent back / replaced two sets from G.skill.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

So far with this SP115 13900ks testing it on the Strix Z690 D4 with just an EVGA 280mm (since that is what would be used in my sff), this thing has no problems with CB23 scoring ~41k and temps in the 70s. It isn't even delidded.

 

Hearing all the horror stories of 13900k's thermal throttling in CB23 even with 360mm and some with custom loops but nothing even close to throttling....

 

I'll be moving it to the MSI Z790i Edge in the next day or so to start testing these DDR5 kits to see if either can hit 7000+ or I'll end up ordering some of those @Mr. Fox recommended bare A-die's and slap some heatsinks on them instead.

 

 

 

 

[ryan]

Do any of you guys own crysis remastered? 

 

I was wondering if you could test it out at 4k, max settings no AA or DLSS

 

For some reason im running 4k maxed no dlss and getting 24-39fps and thats not right, this card should be running it at around 2-3 fps. a slideshow. I was thinking after testing out the game at different resolutions and DLSS on and off something not right, it looks sharp and detailed and is def at 4k. I just can't explain how im getting 30fps this isn't possible. unless cryek had an update to improve performance which is why I ask.

 

 

heres my settings

[Mr. Fox]

27 minutes ago, ryan said:

Do any of you guys own crysis remastered? 

 

I was wondering if you could test it out at 4k, max settings no AA or DLSS

You know I do. It's only like in my top five best games in the history of games titles. I do not have a 4K monitor. 

[ryan]

49 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I do not have a 4K monitor.

DAmn.

 

Yeah its my top game..im not really a gamer but I love playing it briefly. I think its normal to get 30fps at 4k ultra. 1080p all ultra seems right its just like 4k isnt scaled correctly probably a driver issue, but who cares it looks good.

[electrosoft]

Good video showing the differences between not only frequency but timings and Samsung vs Hynix in gaming on AM5:

 

 

 

The best results are the Hynix kit on top each and everytime. Like your Samsung kit @Raiderman his primary stalled at CL32 while Hynix hit CL30 and Hynix had better subtimings 6000 vs 6000 (CL30 results = Hynix, CL32 results = Samsung).

 

[Papusan]

ASUS denies RMAs. Nice. And Asus is also in igorslab's spotlights today

Posted 5 hours ago
180 adapter melted and warranty disappointment


The Neverending Story: NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4090 and the 12VHPWR Connector - New Data from CableMod and Unanswered Questions igorslab.de
 

The fact that Asus is represented disproportionately high here could also be due to the alignment and the opposing bending forces of the cable connections. Especially since the inverse socket does not have six ground connections as thermal buffers between tracks/shunts and the contact pins in the socket.

One thing for sure... The custom angled adapters paired with this inverse socket design + the fragile small hook/latch doen't make it any better. Use Cables. Not custom angled adapters. If you need the angled adapters to be able to close the PC chassis door then buy a new chassis. Or cables with angled connectors. That simple.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

ASUS denies RMAs. Nice. And Asus is also in igorslab's spotlights today

Posted 5 hours ago
180 adapter melted and warranty disappointment


The Neverending Story: NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4090 and the 12VHPWR Connector - New Data from CableMod and Unanswered Questions igorslab.de
 

The fact that Asus is represented disproportionately high here could also be due to the alignment and the opposing bending forces of the cable connections. Especially since the inverse socket does not have six ground connections as thermal buffers between tracks/shunts and the contact pins in the socket.

One thing for sure... The custom angled adapters paired with this inverse socket design + the fragile small hook/latch doen't make it any better. Use Cables. Not custom angled adapters. If you need the angled adapters to be able to close the PC chassis door then buy a new chassis. Or cables with angled connectors. That simple.

*Sigh* Asus, Asus, Asus... what to do with you clowns...

 

Speaking of that, I sure do hope I don't regret this. Sometimes good judgment escapes me and my personal stupidity is undeniable. It has to be better than the Z690 Apex abortion I am using now. I almost bought another Z690 Dark (the smarter idea) but I want the SP-rating capability and 2-DIMM overclocking capability. The Z690 Apex is a generally defective product that just doesn't satisfy my expectations with its lackluster performance. I'm gritting my teeth and crossing my fingers. Just got the tracking number from NewEgg.

 

I am planning to put Z690 Dark inside of the be quiet! Dark Base Pro 901 case when that arrives, retiring the baby-sized Corsair 5000D Airflow that has always been too small to like, and putting the Z790 Apex on the open bench. That is assuming it performs equal to the Z690 Dark, otherwise the Apex will be used on my work computer... TBD. If they perform equally, the Apex is notably smaller and weighs a lot less than the Dark mobo, so it will be easier to manage on the open bench.

@tps3443

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

*Sigh* Asus, Asus, Asus... what to do with you clowns...

 

Speaking of that, I sure do hope I don't regret this. Sometimes good judgment escapes me and my personal stupidity is undeniable. It has to be better than the Z690 Apex abortion I am using now. I almost bought another Z690 Dark (the smarter idea) but I want the SP-rating capability and 2-DIMM overclocking capability. The Z690 Apex is a generally defective product that just doesn't satisfy my expectations with its lackluster performance. I'm gritting my teeth and crossing my fingers. Just got the tracking number from NewEgg.

 

I am planning to put Z690 Dark inside of the be quiet! Dark Base Pro 901 case when that arrives, retiring the baby-sized Corsair 5000D Airflow that has always been too small to like, and putting the Z790 Apex on the open bench. That is assuming it performs equal to the Z690 Dark, otherwise the Apex will be used on my work computer... TBD. If they perform equally, the Apex is notably smaller and weighs a lot less than the Dark mobo, so it will be easier to manage on the open bench.

@tps3443

 

Congrats on the Z790 Apex pickup!

 

*Looks at all the new hardware strewn about my abode* I completely understand the logic vs "I want it" conflict.

 

*Stares at the 13900ks SP115 I probably didn't need but couldn't pass up* 🤣

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Congrats on the Z790 Apex pickup!

 

*Looks at all the new hardware strewn about my abode* I completely understand the logic vs "I want it" conflict.

 

*Stares at the 13900ks SP115 I probably didn't need but couldn't pass up* 🤣

 

 

Thanks, brother. I intially placed the order with Provantage. It was listed as "special order" and they came back two days later and told me it is no longer available. It was listed as "backordered" on NewEgg for $50 more than Provantage ($699.99 vs $649.00). I was able to load it into my cart, but not able to purchase using the NewEgg Visa card or PayPal. I input my AmEx card and viola, I was able to complete the purchase. I got an email saying the ETA was unknown and I would not be charged until it shipped, but 24 hours later I have a tracking number for the "sold and shipped by NewEgg" option. I honestly didn't expect that to happen. Delivery is scheduled for Thursday. I'm not even ready for it, LOL. I was hoping the timing would be closer to when the Dark Base Pro 901 is expected. I don't think they are even in retail distribution yet. The ETA on the case delivery is "within the next month or so" at this time.

 

The SP rating is a useful tool. Although not a 100% accurate indicator of a good CPU, still very useful and the belief in its usefulness held by many adds an element of intrinsic value to the brand in spite of their shortcomings in other areas. If not for the SP rating feature, I probably would never purchase another ASUS motherboard. The inconsistency in their QC and warranty practices, and the poor track record I have had with their flagship mobos, gives me a fair bit of anxiety about the purchase (thus my comment about hoping to not regret it). I always feel compelled to have a backup part handy on standby when I am running an ASUS-powered system due to my low confidence in their product reliability.

 

The fact that the more affordable and equally attractive Strix Z690-E 4-DIMM motherboard overclocks as well as the 2-DIMM Z690 Apex (both CPU and memory) paints a pretty grim picture of the amount of effort, or lack thereof, that goes into their insanely expensive flagship motherboards.

 

The EVGA Z690 Dark is much better in nearly every way. The 2-DIMM options are limited and I have no interest in owning an overclocking crippled 4-DIMM motherboard. The Apex and Unify-X are both in the shadow of the Dark, with the Aorus Tachyon being the least desirable of the four 2-DIMM mobo options available for Z690/790 chipsets.

 

I wish the SP rating, and the associated algorithm that calculates it, was not a proprietary feature on ROG motherboards. It would be wonderful (for everyone except ASUS) if you could drop a specific CPU into a ROG, EVGA, MSI or Gigabyte motherboard and have it spit out the same silicon quality score.

[ryan]

ok this is cool. after replacing my Vbios im getting great framerates at 4k. sure it can't do 4k maxed but games that were getting 6fps are now in the 20s and 30s. im only scoring 9500 gpu in timespy however but with alot of tweaks done to the soft side of things the gains are huge. I'll be posting a video here showing you what im talking about. My 3060 should not be matching a 3080ti in any game at any setting, but it does. I highly recommend maddoggs tweaks, it gives a big jump in gaming performance and this visuals are stunning. its' basically just a ton of registry tweaks that are commonly known to boost responsiveness and performance and with a simple double click and restart they are in effect.

 

 

link here

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, ryan said:

ok this is cool. after replacing my Vbios im getting great framerates at 4k. sure it can't do 4k maxed but games that were getting 6fps are now in the 20s and 30s. im only scoring 9500 gpu in timespy however but with alot of tweaks done to the soft side of things the gains are huge. I'll be posting a video here showing you what im talking about. My 3060 should not be matching a 3080ti in any game at any setting, but it does. I highly recommend maddoggs tweaks, it gives a big jump in gaming performance and this visuals are stunning. its' basically just a ton of registry tweaks that are commonly known to boost responsiveness and performance and with a simple double click and restart they are in effect.

 

 

link here

 

 

It looks like the video is not available because of some kind of copyright, it's blocked. Isn't that just so silly?

[ryan]

I wonder why it's blocked. I had some music in the background that would be my guess. anyways who cares its not a miracle boost I think crytek just optimised the game.

[Mr. Fox]

12 minutes ago, ryan said:

I wonder why it's blocked. I had some music in the background that would be my guess. anyways who cares its not a miracle boost I think crytek just optimised the game.

I have had that happen on some of my older videos. It's really stupid and reflects an unfavorable mindset of the people that do it. They are so concerned about not getting paid for one of their songs playing in an amateur's YouTube video that they block it and file a copyright strike.  Those are the kind of "artists" that I boycott. Their lives are guided by greed and they don't deserve to have their music played.

[ryan]

haha I was thinking, why the hell are they warning me its a freeking tom petty song and hes dead. like wth are they doing. Im uploading another video as we speak because this has to be seen and proved as its not just an anomoly. I have seen great performance in gta v as well 3080 levels. 60fps locked on ultra at 4k, I know gta V isnt the most demanding game but the framerate is too high I think it might have to do with drivers or maybe???no idea. Iv'e never had this happen usually im around where I should be a little higher with an overclock. LOD could have been tweaked in the reg file also.

 

 

the video is stock for comparisons sake. its around 21-30fps mostly 23-24fps that is pretty low but its high for this card like double what it should be getting, I had to check my tvs resolution too make sure it wasnt doing some upscaling or something. I ran it at 1080p and was getting around 100 without dlss which is 50fps higher than it should be.

 

so i checked out a new game APTR and its running similar to a 3060ti which is quite a bit faster than a non ti/ he was using performance dlss to get 33fps high settings 4k I managed 35fps at 4k quality dlss high settings. so either ive fluked out with the tweaks or who knows. I wonder whats going on

 

heres the video im comparing to and im not overclocked this is all stock

 

 

 

 

also I was overclocked when I first noticed I get 30-29spf when overclocked very close or above below video

ok the sd is uploaded

 

[Papusan]

On 6/20/2023 at 9:36 PM, Mr. Fox said:

*Sigh* Asus, Asus, Asus... what to do with you clowns...

 

Speaking of that, I sure do hope I don't regret this. Sometimes good judgment escapes me and my personal stupidity is undeniable. It has to be better than the Z690 Apex abortion I am using now. I almost bought another Z690 Dark (the smarter idea) but I want the SP-rating capability and 2-DIMM overclocking capability. The Z690 Apex is a generally defective product that just doesn't satisfy my expectations with its lackluster performance. I'm gritting my teeth and crossing my fingers. Just got the tracking number from NewEgg.

 

I am planning to put Z690 Dark inside of the be quiet! Dark Base Pro 901 case when that arrives, retiring the baby-sized Corsair 5000D Airflow that has always been too small to like, and putting the Z790 Apex on the open bench. That is assuming it performs equal to the Z690 Dark, otherwise the Apex will be used on my work computer... TBD. If they perform equally, the Apex is notably smaller and weighs a lot less than the Dark mobo, so it will be easier to manage on the open bench.

@tps3443

Congrats bro Fox. I continue with the same old stuff as usual. I enjoy old HW. It often gives me more than new and shiny. And 100$ cards can be more enjoyable than 10 of the mills newer 400$ cards. This HOF card should be reserved for me (reservert = reserved) if not the seller screw me and try sell it for more to others that was too late to the party. YEP, I ordered a small sister on the used market to have company with the big HOF brother.
 

A couple of pict for bro @electrosoftThe crocks will come once I have this small beauty in my hands @ryan 🙂 3 fans card and I mean l have saved an XOC vbios and the Galax XOC tools for exactly this card. And not everyday I find it in the used market here home. I really like the HOF cards because they are very well built. They put a lot into the PCB. The force full fan functions is amazing idea (Older Clevo was also in front for this tech feature). The HOF, K|ngp|n and the Lightning have a special place in my heart due the finish is outstanding. Older the better. Todays new and modern it’s too much of the bling bling factor. I wish they learned from the past. Stop adding bling bling on all corners and up and down. Too much ofit and it becomes very ugly and tacky. 

 

GTX 970 HOF

 

 

https://www.galax.com/en/graphics-card/hof/galax-geforce-gtx-970-hof.html

 

Then look at the Asus GTX 970 Strix in comparison https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/asus-geforce-gtx-970-strix-review,3.html

 

Review of the 970 HOF https://www.overclockers.com/galax-gtx970hof-review/

[Talon]

On 6/20/2023 at 2:36 PM, Mr. Fox said:

*Sigh* Asus, Asus, Asus... what to do with you clowns...

 

Speaking of that, I sure do hope I don't regret this. Sometimes good judgment escapes me and my personal stupidity is undeniable. It has to be better than the Z690 Apex abortion I am using now. I almost bought another Z690 Dark (the smarter idea) but I want the SP-rating capability and 2-DIMM overclocking capability. The Z690 Apex is a generally defective product that just doesn't satisfy my expectations with its lackluster performance. I'm gritting my teeth and crossing my fingers. Just got the tracking number from NewEgg.

 

I am planning to put Z690 Dark inside of the be quiet! Dark Base Pro 901 case when that arrives, retiring the baby-sized Corsair 5000D Airflow that has always been too small to like, and putting the Z790 Apex on the open bench. That is assuming it performs equal to the Z690 Dark, otherwise the Apex will be used on my work computer... TBD. If they perform equally, the Apex is notably smaller and weighs a lot less than the Dark mobo, so it will be easier to manage on the open bench.

@tps3443

 

Nice pick! The Z690 Apex is complete garbage unfortunately. The Z790 Apex is a whole other thing, a total monster board. Luckily were going to get another gen of LGA1700 toys to play with, hopefully with godlike IMCs and the Apex should be able to push those ridiculous memory clocks. 

[Mr. Fox]

26 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Nice pick! The Z690 Apex is complete garbage unfortunately. The Z790 Apex is a whole other thing, a total monster board. Luckily were going to get another gen of LGA1700 toys to play with, hopefully with godlike IMCs and the Apex should be able to push those ridiculous memory clocks. 

Thanks. I hope it turns out good. I will be happy if it does. I should have it tomorrow.