*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

10 minutes ago, cylix said:

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-23-30-afmf-tech-preview

 

DUDE!!! Thanks. Seeing this on Dying Light 2 is really gonna help. That game is probably the heaviest in 4K. F**K you NVIDIA!!!! I’m keeping my 3090 🤣 AMD loves us more I guess. 
 

It’s frustrating how the RTX3090/3090Ti can be such a powerhouse in raw rasterization. But smoothness is smoothness, and RTX4000 series wins here easily by having the Frame Gen feature. Nvidia is essentially forcing people to upgrade, however the RTX4070Ti is a steaming pile of poop in true 4K, and it has a little baby sized 12GB GDDR6, then we have the RTX4080 which is very strong but still only has 16GB of GDDR6. It’s like Nvidia knows this, and they are allowing us to be shot in the foot with 4070Ti/4080, or bending over and slotting in the 4090 with 24GB. 😂

[electrosoft]

Jay Port Royal OC adventures with 2x Suprim's and being frustrated lol....

 

 

[Talon]

23 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

DUDE!!! Thanks. Seeing this on Dying Light 2 is really gonna help. That game is probably the heaviest in 4K. F**K you NVIDIA!!!! I’m keeping my 3090 🤣 AMD loves us more I guess. 
 

It’s frustrating how the RTX3090/3090Ti can be such a powerhouse in raw rasterization. But smoothness is smoothness, and RTX4000 series wins here easily by having the Frame Gen feature. Nvidia is essentially forcing people to upgrade, however the RTX4070Ti is a steaming pile of poop in true 4K, and it has a little baby sized 12GB GDDR6, then we have the RTX4080 which is very strong but still only has 16GB of GDDR6. It’s like Nvidia knows this, and they are allowing us to be shot in the foot with 4070Ti/4080, or bending over and slotting in the 4090 with 24GB. 😂

 

That is AMD FMF or Fluid Motion Frames and it's EXCLUSIVE to AMD 7000 series cards. You can't use that unless you have one of those cards. It's a driver side frame gen thing, but not nearly as good as the game dependent version. 

 

The only 2 games you can use the game dependent, hardware agnostic frame gen is Forspoken and Immortals of Aveum, both really shit games lol. Hopefully more games to come soon. 

[tps3443]

2 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

That is AMD FMF or Fluid Motion Frames and it's EXCLUSIVE to AMD 7000 series cards. You can't use that unless you have one of those cards. It's a driver side frame gen thing, but not nearly as good as the game dependent version. 

 

The only 2 games you can use the game dependent, hardware agnostic frame gen is Forspoken and Immortals of Aveum, both really shit games lol. Hopefully more games to come soon. 

That’s Great. This just makes things even worse than they were lol. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, cylix said:

@Mr. Fox  I bought the paste on ebuy7, its 100% legit.

https://ebuy7.com/honeywell-ptm7950sp-phase-change-silicone-grease-cpu-graphics-card-thermal-paste-notebook-7958sp-savior-with-the-same-paragraph.html

Thanks, I will have to get some of that to experiment with.

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

@Mr. Fox My HWINFO did not have that feature, I was like what in the heck, I do not see that option. Okay here you go I got HWinfo v7.62 now! This is my timings that I used for 56 minutes of Anta777 Extreme with Testmem5 at 8600. After 56 min or so, it did show like 2-3 errors. 

Correct Timings I used

Awesome, thanks for sharing. That's a nice new feature in HWiNFO64.

1 hour ago, cylix said:

YES, Nvidia has no excuse to keep their FR exclusive on 40xx series!

 

This is the list of games right now,lets hope they will add more and more to it fast.

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-23-30-afmf-tech-preview

Hmm, I own about a half dozen of those games. Metro is one of the few in the list that I actually enjoy playing. I'll have to download one of them and see how it works. Thanks for the list.

[Talon]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thanks, I will have to get some of that to experiment with.

Awesome, thanks for sharing. That's a nice new feature in HWiNFO64.

Hmm, I own about a half dozen of those games. Metro is one of the few in the list that I actually enjoy playing. I'll have to download one of them and see how it works. Thanks for the list.

 

See my above comment. That is AMDs FMF or Fluid Motion Frames, only works on their 7000 series RX GPUs. So unless you have one of those, it will not work. It's a driver side toggle. 

 

@tps3443Ya, unfortunately more exclusive features lol. 

 

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fgdxrp1niy8rb1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1404%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D0eef5d0124a6a02c33762d9a37e790793ef68c99

 

More beautiful examples of FSR3 Frame Gen 😁

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

unfortunately more exclusive features lol. 

That's OK, I'm good with out any of the "free" AMD features. The price of NVIDIA cards sucks real bad, but the features are unmatched. You don't really get what you pay for (or should I say overpay for) in terms of value with either brand, but I like what I get with the Green Goblin's stuff a bit more.

[Papusan]

On 9/28/2023 at 10:54 PM, Reciever said:

Is it bad that I have more interest in the raspberry pi 5 announcement? 

 

To be faie though I have a project in mind for it that I've been wanting to flesh out for a while now. 

 

8 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I'm guilty too of being more excited about the RaspberryPi 5 too.  🙂

 

 

 

Looking forwards to your oc'ing results😁

We Overclocked Raspberry Pi 5 to 3 GHz, Up to 25% Perf Boost

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's OK, I'm good with out any of the "free" AMD features. The price of NVIDIA cards sucks real bad, but the features are unmatched. You don't really get what you pay for (or should I say overpay for) in terms of value with either brand, but I like what I get with the Green Goblin's stuff a bit more.

No point for Nvidia to do anything with the prices of their higher tier cards. Beacuse AMD can't compete in features

 

https://wccftech.com/fsr-3-runs-faster-than-dlss-3-in-immortals-of-aveum-but-stutters-more/

 

https://wccftech.com/amd-fsr-3-in-forspoken-doubles-the-fps-but-dlss-still-leads-in-visual-quality-smoothness/

GPU Deals: NVIDIA RTX 4070 For $499, 4060 Ti For $332, 4060 For $251, AMD 7800 XT For $449, 7700 XT For $404

[Reciever]

6 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Looking forwards to your oc'ing results😁

We Overclocked Raspberry Pi 5 to 3 GHz, Up to 25% Perf Boost

Of course you post an article about ocing an SBC lol

 

If I can get one i'll try out OCing, I can probably put the M.2 heatsink on it since its good for up to 70w :D 

[KING19]

5 hours ago, cylix said:

FSR 3.0 launched today but only some games support it, its a preview driver. Looks good and also give good performance increase on nvidia hardware 😆

Also it working good on 2060 😀

 

 

 

 

That is great news!. Now there is no reason to buy a RTX 40 series GPU besides the RTX 4080/RTX4090

 

Unfortunately for me that i wont be able to use FG because i have a GTX GPU ☹️.

 

Also Forspoken is a terrible game to use for benchmarking FSR3, they could of use better games like Hogwarts Legacy

 

5 hours ago, cylix said:

@Mr. Fox  I bought the paste on ebuy7, its 100% legit.

https://ebuy7.com/honeywell-ptm7950sp-phase-change-silicone-grease-cpu-graphics-card-thermal-paste-notebook-7958sp-savior-with-the-same-paragraph.html

 

^

 

Ebuy7 is the only site to trust to get the stuff, Other sites often sell the fake one, Since it ships from China its gonna take about 2-3 weeks with the cheapest shipping option. @Mr. Fox

[Papusan]

17 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Of course you post an article about ocing an SBC lol

 

If I can get one i'll try out OCing, I can probably put the M.2 heatsink on it since its good for up to 70w 😄

😆😁😂

[tps3443]

@Mr. Fox You can try these timings as well. This is DDR5 8800 C40 (Just started testing it) I am back to my DDR5 8800 profile, which worked really great for daily usage even stock on air cooling for gaming only and work etc. But I'll probably do 20-30 minutes of memory testing using Anta777 Extreme, and if its good then I will leave it. I may be able to even get DDR5 9000 I haven't tried that one just yet. 

This is with:

 

•Auto IVR TX voltage

•VDDQ Voltage Training enabled. 
•CPU IMC voltage is set at 1.481V (Not even sure I need that much, but it's a starting point, my profile actually only had it set to 1.400V for DDR5 8800, but I feel like that is not enough based on other people) 
•1.600V MEM VDD

•1.55V MEM VDDQ
•SA voltage is auto 1.332V

•CPU@6.0Ghz P-Cores

•CPU@4.6Ghz E-Cores

•5.0Ghz Ring

[tps3443]

I found a 3090 Kingpin with Optimus Signature KINGPIN waterblock. The guy PM’ed me and said he’d sell the block only for $500 bucks. I thought, hmm okay maybe I’ll get it. Then not even 30 minutes later, he’s like I will only sell them together ($1,000 bucks) for 3090KP+Optimus Signature KP block 😞

 

I’m tempted to buy it, and NVLink these together. Run some benchmarks, and then sell off the worst overclocker with the KP HC block lol. 
 

I just want the Optimus block honestly! The block is the black version, and it has the 4090 Gen 2 cold plate installed.🙂 so even better performance than normal. I’ve always wanted to try the so called “Best GPU block in the world” they are absolutely legendary, 

 

Here are some pics of it.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

9 hours ago, tps3443 said:

@Mr. Fox You can try these timings as well. This is DDR5 8800 C40 (Just started testing it) I am back to my DDR5 8800 profile, which worked really great for daily usage even stock on air cooling for gaming only and work etc. But I'll probably do 20-30 minutes of memory testing using Anta777 Extreme, and if its good then I will leave it. I may be able to even get DDR5 9000 I haven't tried that one just yet. 

This is with:

 

•Auto IVR TX voltage

•VDDQ Voltage Training enabled. 
•CPU IMC voltage is set at 1.481V (Not even sure I need that much, but it's a starting point, my profile actually only had it set to 1.400V for DDR5 8800, but I feel like that is not enough based on other people) 
•1.600V MEM VDD

•1.55V MEM VDDQ
•SA voltage is auto 1.332V

•CPU@6.0Ghz P-Cores

•CPU@4.6Ghz E-Cores

•5.0Ghz Ring

Thanks, bro. I will give it a go tomorrow. 👍

16 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thanks for the mention on the AMD hotspot. I will be putting the pad on the 6900 XT tonight or tomorrow. Hopefully, it will help with that.

Well, it helped a little bit @Talon. Man, the pad is such a pain in the bottom to get the clear protector off without destroying the silicon sheet. It took me longer to do that than it did to disassemble and reassemble the GPU, LOL. I'm not kidding. I will order some of the paste so that I have some on hand if I need it later. If it works the same as the pad, I think it is better than KPX or Kryosnot.

 

BEFORE:

AFTER:

Also went back to conventional GPU mounting instead of vertical. I always end up deciding I like that better than vertical... every time.

[Izy]

had to drop my ram oc down to 5800mhz

6000mhz was crashing randomly in wow classic which i cant have since its hardcore and death = chara delete

also if laptop went to sleep it would need hard shut down and ram oc would reset

this still persists but the now it doesnt reset my settings just needs hard reboot.

 

room was cool today so did some test benchs, actually made a big difference on gpu

 

[ryan]

 

 

this is really good news for users with between a 1650 and a 3070 card. personally I welcome it I'll have to check it out hopefully its out for starfield and looks ok.

[Talon]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thanks, bro. I will give it a go tomorrow. 👍

Well, it helped a little bit @Talon. Man, the pad is such a pain in the bottom to get the clear protector off without destroying the silicon sheet. It took me longer to do that than it did to disassemble and reassemble the GPU, LOL. I'm not kidding. I will order some of the paste so that I have some on hand if I need it later. If it works the same as the pad, I think it is better than KPX or Kryosnot.

 

BEFORE:

AFTER:

Also went back to conventional GPU mounting instead of vertical. I always end up deciding I like that better than vertical... every time.

 

Nice! Good to see the temp drop and your gap came down a bit more too. Good stuff. I'd be curious to see how well the temp shakes out using the paste. I personally have not tried it. 

 

 

[tps3443]

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thanks, bro. I will give it a go tomorrow. 👍

Well, it helped a little bit @Talon. Man, the pad is such a pain in the bottom to get the clear protector off without destroying the silicon sheet. It took me longer to do that than it did to disassemble and reassemble the GPU, LOL. I'm not kidding. I will order some of the paste so that I have some on hand if I need it later. If it works the same as the pad, I think it is better than KPX or Kryosnot.

 

BEFORE:

AFTER:

Also went back to conventional GPU mounting instead of vertical. I always end up deciding I like that better than vertical... every time.

Wait, so you put that phase change pad on the GPU die? And it runs cooler than KPX thermal paste? Another interesting thing is, your memory junction temp is lower than the die temp. 
 

That’s very interesting. I’m using Thermalright TFX on my GPU die, but now I want to try this! I’m not sure if I’ll see any gains. My block is +14.5C delta over water temp @520 watts. But, I’d love to get even more! 
 

I think we are supposed to freeze the PTM7950 before peeling the plastic it helps

prevent tearing, that’s just something I read😁

[Mr. Fox]

18 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Wait, so you put that phase change pad on the GPU die? And it runs cooler than KPX thermal paste? Another interesting thing is, your memory junction temp is lower than the die temp. 
 

That’s very interesting. I’m using Thermalright TFX on my GPU die, but now I want to try this! I’m not sure if I’ll see any gains. My block is +14.5C delta over water temp @520 watts. But, I’d love to get even more! 
 

I think we are supposed to freeze the PTM7950 before peeling the plastic it helps

prevent tearing, that’s just something I read😁

Yes, I put it in the freezer for 30 minutes before trying to apply it. The thin side film is easy to remove, but the thick side is a real challenge. What works best is to press it into the die with your thumb and then try to peel it off. It is nearly impossible not to tear it, but as long as all of it is covered with no gaps it will melt once it heats up.

 

Yes, it worked better than KPX on my Precision turdbook as well. Also better than anything else I have used other than liquid metal.

 

I suspect the paste will work as well, but I have not ordered any yet. 

 

All of my memory and VRM thermal pads were severely crushed due to compression by the water block. I kept tightening all of the screws trying to get the AMD hotspot nonsense under control. So, I put a thin bead of K5 Pro between the block and thermal pads for the memory and VRM. That will avoid any mess on the GPU itself. It's between the pads and block, not between the pads and GPU.

 

It's kind of goofy (that hotspot issue) because I have never had any thermal issues like that with an NVIDIA GPU, but it is very common with multiple generations of Radeon. I can put all of the screws two-finger tight and everything is good with the GeFarts parts.

[tps3443]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, I put it in the freezer for 30 minutes before trying to apply it. The thin side film is easy to remove, but the thick side is a real challenge. What works best is to press it into the die with your thumb and then try to peel it off. It is nearly impossible not to tear it, but as long as all of it is covered with no gaps it will melt once it heats up.

 

Yes, it worked better than KPX on my Precision turdbook as well. Also better than anything else I have used other than liquid metal.

 

I suspect the paste will work as well, but I have not ordered any yet.

I love re-doing thermal pads and paste and stuff and seeing the results especially with a GPU on a waterblock. There are some 25W/mk pads available from TG as well, I would love to try them! 
 

It’s crazy how the thermal pad industry and conductive forms have taken off! I remember on Amazon when all we could get was cheap or premium Fujipoly. 

[Mr. Fox]

On 3/24/2023 at 5:08 AM, Raiderman said:

Not sure what bug you have with office text rendering. Could you post a link to it? I use office quite a bit, and have not seen any artifacts. Is it on a specific version of office?

 

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/troubleshoot/settings/office-display-issues

 

On 3/24/2023 at 6:16 AM, Mr. Fox said:

It is described fairly well in these posts.

 

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/word-2019-not-rendering-text-properly-as-you-type/fb665d6d-70a2-463b-943d-427b83239fbe

 

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook_com/forum/all/text-disappears-or-distorted-while-typing-on/91543518-9384-4a50-bc88-889772c33938

 

Office 365 and Office 2021 Pro Plus, under both Windows 10 and 11.

 

As you are typing some of the characters you have just added (3 to 5 characters generally) will randomly vanish and reappear, and intermittently there will be artifacting and strange looking glitches that are like a tiny image thumbnail of text near the area of editing. It does not affect the entire page of text, only in the area where you are editing/adding text. If you stop typing the chunks of missing text will stay hidden or missing, and text already present will sometimes shift left or right and overlay the area where you are typing, but adding a keystroke or two the text will become visible again. It is not gone, but the rendering of what is there is goofed up. When you are a fast typist like me, this is happening very rapidly, so it is unsettling and distracting. 

 

It only happens on my work computer with the 6900 XT installed. I have never experienced it ever before. It does not happen with the 6900 XT installed on the other system. My work computer has three 144 Hz 1080p displays.  My other system has a 165Hz 1440p display.

 

I have tried all of the suggestions like disabling Office graphics acceleration and enabling Clear Type (both of which I always do anyway). It is definitely caused by the 6900 XT or AMD drivers. It does not happen intermittently. It always occurs, at all times. Enabling Eyefinity did not make it better or worse. If I am sharing my desktop in a video chat/meeting, those viewing my screen do not see it happening, so it is obviously an issue with rendering on the local machine, and it was not noticed using any other software applications other than Word, Excel and Outlook. It does not occur except while editing content. Opening a document in Word or viewing an email in Outlook and scrolling through pages everything is fine until you begin editing or adding new content. It is not related to overtyping or toggling insert, as it only affects or corrupts the view of existing text already entered and present to the left of where new content is being added.

 

It is very weird and frustrating, and it severely interferes with getting work done. Kind of a bummer, since it is the system that allowed me to use Windows 7 with the 6900 XT. But, that makes me wonder if maybe the same underlying issue is what prevents my Windows 7 desktop from loading correctly on the other system., but manifests itself in a different way. If I install the 6900 XT in the other system and boot into Windows 7 I can hear the Windows login sound, and System notification sounds like the USB devices loading, and I can log out or choose to restart blindly by hitting the Windows key, right arrow twice and hit enter, but only the Windows 7 Welcome screen with the black background and colored logo appears on my screen. It is like the Welcome screen never leaves and it is covering up the desktop GUI.

 

I tried this and it did not resolve it. But, I do think it is a driver or vBIOS issue.

** IMPORTANT UPDATE **

After a painful 8-month experience with Micro$lop Office crApps having text rendering issues with the 6900 XT, a solution has surfaced. I am referring to this common issue. Text disappears or distorted while typing on Outlook (Office 365) This has driven me batty and ruined my day more times than I would care to count. It is infuriating.

Spoiler

Text disappears or distorted while typing on Outlook (Office 365) | Microsoft Community

 

Essentially, you go into the Adrenaline utililty (AMD's Control Panel) and add the Office applications as "games" and enable anti-lag mode for each of them. This keeps the GPU from entering a ultra-low power state while they are running. (I hate that insanely aggressive power management thing with AMD GPUs and always have.) I went ahead and added explorer.exe and dwm.exe and chrome.exe as "games" and enabled anti-lag mode for them as well.

 

So far it seems good. I think this may be a retarded feature of Windows 10/11 21H2 and newer trying to enforce their idiotic "save the planet" nonsense. I think the already-too-aggressive power management AMD employs makes it worse, but some people have reported the same issue with NVIDIA cards.

 

So, just for good measure, I did the same on the other desktop and added all of them to NVIDIA Control Panel and disabled power management for each, enabled low-latency and set "Prefer Maximum Performance" to help ensure nothing stupid starts happening there.

 

 

And, another nice tip...

 

I really like my 4K display but I LOATHE how Win32 applications are so nasty and blurry looking, even with 100% scaling. I had been editing the properties of applications one at a time to turn off the high DPI trash in Windows. Well, here is a way to fix it globally rather than having to fart around with every installed application.

 

Run this from an elevated command prompt and profit.

setx __COMPAT_LAYER HighDpiAware /M

@Rage Set

 

[cylix]

 

[Talon]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I suspect the paste will work as well, but I have not ordered any yet. 

 

I think I have you address, when I get back from my 4 day I'll drop you a tube in the mail. I bought 3 when I got it and I don't think I'll be using all 3x anytime soon. 

[Talon]

2 hours ago, cylix said:

 

Pretty interesting, I found that Reflex helped latency quite a bit vs not using it. You can feel a significant different in the mouse movement/latency. Either way, definitely a good start for AMD, just wish it wasn't tied to FSR upscaling. 

[Mr. Fox]

19 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

I think I have you address, when I get back from my 4 day I'll drop you a tube in the mail. I bought 3 when I got it and I don't think I'll be using all 3x anytime soon. 

Awesome.Thanks, bro.