*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[D2ultima]

11 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

 

lulz, DDR5 is a blast when it comes to iterations in quick succession, couple that with CRAZYILY dropping prices on the existing kits hahaha. but lets see on availability, 8200 kits, at least in europe, are veeeeery few and far between....

 

Ha, I don't even think my board would let me boot that high. Pretty sure it tops out around 7200MHz

 

On the other hand feel free to toss any 6400, 6800 or 7200MHz kits y'all got collecting dust at me *nods*

[jaybee83]

19 minutes ago, D2ultima said:

Ha, I don't even think my board would let me boot that high. Pretty sure it tops out around 7200MHz

 

On the other hand feel free to toss any 6400, 6800 or 7200MHz kits y'all got collecting dust at me *nods*

 

 i got a 2x16 GB DDR5-6600 kit from G.Skill laying around. hit me up 😄 

 

and yes agreed, my board tops out at 8000, havent gotten 8200 to boot yet. but hey, we all like big numbers, dont we? 😛 

[win32asmguy]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I just returned my second Asus G18 (13980HX + 4080) a few days ago to Best Buy. I'll wait for the next wave of laptops to see if I'm going to snag one. My NH55 is holding it down for me right now along with being tinkering central.

 

Glad to hear the NH55 is still being enjoyed! The X370 has been alot of fun to tinker with Coreboot and an open source EC. It does not even need anything like the Clevo Control software which is the best part, as all of the configuration changes you would usually make in there are essentially applied in a custom EC + BIOS build.

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Nice, was that like a free rental? 😂 that’s pretty smart actually. I want to be like you, and do this too. The depreciation makes me have nightmares on such expensive laptops! 

 

lol, well I opted for their "My Best Buy Plus" $49.95/yr program for the free expedited shipping AND generous 60 day return policy. I had picked up one of these back in March but returned it pretty quickly due to so many issues. That was BIOS revision G306 (G301 being launch BIOS). The one I picked up in late August was Rev G317 and subsequent BIOS updates to G318 and G319 fixed a lot of the problems but the Armory Crate BS just did me in.

 

Plus with 14th gen and 4000 series mobile refreshes on the horizon and hopefully other 7950HX3D enabled laptops coming out, it made sense to return it and sit back and wait. I haven't been really gaming much lately. I actually pulled out my MSI Suprim X Liquid 4090 to run some tests and benchmarks on some other cards for baseline comparative data I have and haven't even re-installed it yet.

 

5 hours ago, ryan said:

Its the same with HP. I have to install Hp omen gaming hub and it starts like 7 services and bogs down the laptop, without it everything is near instantaneous and with it its definitely slower. frustrating buying a asus ROG strix keyboard and to get all the features I have to install what seems like bloat/malware/viruses/trojans. really unprofessional. also I noticed 3d mark opens java to run benchmarks????is everything a farce lol

 

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yup. Pretty much sums it up. The world is basically run by stupid people, so we can expect stupid things to come from it. Those that aren't stupid are evil. It's unfortunate that we allow it to happen. We shouldn't put up with it.

 

Problem is we've become a full data mining society and that data is worth billions and is a constantly evolving dynamic construct that produces a perpetual revenue stream. As a result, every company now wants to find ways to force or at least strongly suggest you install their software which in turn will gladly collect your personal data as much as they can and then resell it at worst or use it for their own gains at the best.

 

I mentioned it before, but when Asus purposely went out of their way to remove persistent effects on their motherboards where they worked fine before with a BIOS update that was just more writing on the wall. When companies tie software as tightly as possible to peripherals that shouldn't need it or at least the peripherals should store the settings, the writing is on the wall. When M$ has mutated their OSes into store front, data collection, bloated behemoths, the writing is on the wall.

 

No longer satisfied with selling a quality product and support software that enhances the product, companies now look for ways to get their software on your system so they can collect your data and if possible, get you sign up for subscription services.

 

"X as a service" is greedspeak for, "You don't own this product. You license it and if you want upgrades or continue to use it, you will pay fees for it and....oh yeah, we're going to continue to mine your data.....sometimes even if you click 'no'"

 

Just disgusting behavior.

 

4 hours ago, cylix said:

Did you try G-helper? I got rid of that malware from Asus on my Z13 flow turdbook and using G helper, such a nice  little software  😄

https://github.com/seerge/g-helper

 

I did, but it won't enable the CPU turbo/power mode and it was stuck at 115w still. Fan controls worked. G18 also supports OpenRGB. I tried setting and uninstalling both AC  after enabling turbo mode but shut down and restart and the system goes right back into default mode of 115w for the CPU. If you want full functionality and performance, you HAVE to have Armory Crate installed.

 

Hopefully with newer updates it will gain access to higher power states. I know back in March, OpenRGB did not support the G18 but now it does for RGB control.

 

Either way, being forced to have to install their bloated malware was the final dealbreaker.

 

 

2 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Glad to hear the NH55 is still being enjoyed! The X370 has been alot of fun to tinker with Coreboot and an open source EC. It does not even need anything like the Clevo Control software which is the best part, as all of the configuration changes you would usually make in there are essentially applied in a custom EC + BIOS build.

 

I finally gave up the ghost on your 12900k after delid, the below adjustments and UV couldn't tame it and admitted defeat and put my cool running, low pull SP91 in there and your 12900k in the wife's desktop. Choice silicon along with a -0.125 / -0.65 UV, removing the retention bracket and doing a pseudo direct mount and some strategically placed auxiliary copper heatsinks, the CPU no longer throttles in CB23 or testing WoW for 30-60 min which would always run the temps up to 100c. Now they don't break 86c and if I set fans to max don't break 80c. I didn't even delid it. On the other hand, the system overall pulls 200w now just running CB23 and caps out running Timespy at 237w with the 230w PSU in HWInfo since there is no thermal wall to throttle it.

 

It's ironic and funny, but when I first picked up that 12900k back in Dec 2021 from Newegg while binning several, it stood out immediately from the rest for running so stupidly cool with such low pull to boot. I even commented on the old NBR forums about I hope Clevo, MSI or Alienware drops a 12th gen DTR because it is screaming for a laptop with its characteristics.....

 

.......and ~22months later here we are.  🤣

 

Hopefully I'll get a crack down the road with this SP115 13900k in the NH55 since it can run full throttle on a 280mm AIO, hit ~42k and stay in the high 70s/ low 80s with no delid just KPx. It may need that aftermarket heatsink.

 

That is what I liked about Prema on the P870 series the best and it looks like the X370 harkens back to those "everything in the BIOS" days. No need to run Clevo Control for anything. I don't run it on the NH55 either. Just TS 9.6.

 

@jaybee83 while a retention frame won't work, you can remove the entire retention lever mechanism and just use the HS direct pressure to mount giving you some of the thermal advantages of a retention bracket (IE, no bending from the original mounting system). I did this and it helps while taming a full bore 12900k in there.

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, cylix said:

I dont know but you could give it a try, maybe it will work or have some functionality 

How 'bout no. Huh-uh. Nope. No workee. And, even if it did, I dont know that it is actually an improvement over Armory Crepes because it requires the installation of MyASUS digi-dung. MyASUS has hooks into the BIOS, and it is still UWP filth, not a win32 application, and when I used Revo to get rid of it, Revo found about as much bloated feces on the drive from MyASUS as Armory Crap, (over 3,300 files) many hundreds of registry keys and more than a dozen services

[D2ultima]

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

 i got a 2x16 GB DDR5-6600 kit from G.Skill laying around. hit me up 😄 

 

and yes agreed, my board tops out at 8000, havent gotten 8200 to boot yet. but hey, we all like big numbers, dont we? 😛 

Bigger number is obviously better number *nods in culture*

 

Next time I reboot I'll see how high the numbers in the BIOS go for RAM OCing, I thought they ended at about 7200 but I can't be sure anymore. I'll DM you!

[tps3443]

I think my ram sucks… And I’m ready to toss it. 
 

I can make it 5 minutes on Anta777 Extreme with my (2x24GB) 7200 sticks while @ 8800C40. 

 

Im sending lots of voltage. The more voltage I send the longer it runs the test. 🤣

 

My CPU IMC seems to be happy with it, but this is seriously feeling like a ram limitation. 
 

I want some of those 8400 sticks. I bet they could do 8800 TM5 stable.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I think my ram sucks… And I’m ready to toss it. 
 

I can make it 5 minutes on Anta777 Extreme with my (2x24GB) 7200 sticks while @ 8800C40. 

 

Im sending lots of voltage. The more voltage I send the longer it runs the test. 🤣

 

My CPU IMC seems to be happy with it, but this is seriously feeling like a ram limitation. 
 

I want some of those 8400 sticks. I bet they could do 8800 TM5 stable.

You're starting to identify what I have been complaining about for several years; before DDR5 was even a thing. There is a huge silicon lottery with memory modules and I have purchased and RMA'd a ludicrous number of memory kits because they were trash. Having a high-rated kit, or the most expensive one available, doesn't mean it is a good one. It only means it passed some kind of screening process that allows them to feel justified in screwing the buyer of it harder. The lower binned modules are just the garbage nobody wants that they are hoping to unload on someone whose bar is set lower and has less of an appetite for overpriced computer parts. They are made the same and cost the same to make whether they are 8600 or 6800. The numbers printed on the label (and the price tag) are not a guarantee of quality or performance, but they should be.

[jaybee83]

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

lol, well I opted for their "My Best Buy Plus" $49.95/yr program for the free expedited shipping AND generous 60 day return policy. I had picked up one of these back in March but returned it pretty quickly due to so many issues. That was BIOS revision G306 (G301 being launch BIOS). The one I picked up in late August was Rev G317 and subsequent BIOS updates to G318 and G319 fixed a lot of the problems but the Armory Crate BS just did me in.

 

Plus with 14th gen and 4000 series mobile refreshes on the horizon and hopefully other 7950HX3D enabled laptops coming out, it made sense to return it and sit back and wait. I haven't been really gaming much lately. I actually pulled out my MSI Suprim X Liquid 4090 to run some tests and benchmarks on some other cards for baseline comparative data I have and haven't even re-installed it yet.

 

 

 

Problem is we've become a full data mining society and that data is worth billions and is a constantly evolving dynamic construct that produces a perpetual revenue stream. As a result, every company now wants to find ways to force or at least strongly suggest you install their software which in turn will gladly collect your personal data as much as they can and then resell it at worst or use it for their own gains at the best.

 

I mentioned it before, but when Asus purposely went out of their way to remove persistent effects on their motherboards where they worked fine before with a BIOS update that was just more writing on the wall. When companies tie software as tightly as possible to peripherals that shouldn't need it or at least the peripherals should store the settings, the writing is on the wall. When M$ has mutated their OSes into store front, data collection, bloated behemoths, the writing is on the wall.

 

No longer satisfied with selling a quality product and support software that enhances the product, companies now look for ways to get their software on your system so they can collect your data and if possible, get you sign up for subscription services.

 

"X as a service" is greedspeak for, "You don't own this product. You license it and if you want upgrades or continue to use it, you will pay fees for it and....oh yeah, we're going to continue to mine your data.....sometimes even if you click 'no'"

 

Just disgusting behavior.

 

 

I did, but it won't enable the CPU turbo/power mode and it was stuck at 115w still. Fan controls worked. G18 also supports OpenRGB. I tried setting and uninstalling both AC  after enabling turbo mode but shut down and restart and the system goes right back into default mode of 115w for the CPU. If you want full functionality and performance, you HAVE to have Armory Crate installed.

 

Hopefully with newer updates it will gain access to higher power states. I know back in March, OpenRGB did not support the G18 but now it does for RGB control.

 

Either way, being forced to have to install their bloated malware was the final dealbreaker.

 

 

 

I finally gave up the ghost on your 12900k after delid, the below adjustments and UV couldn't tame it and admitted defeat and put my cool running, low pull SP91 in there and your 12900k in the wife's desktop. Choice silicon along with a -0.125 / -0.65 UV, removing the retention bracket and doing a pseudo direct mount and some strategically placed auxiliary copper heatsinks, the CPU no longer throttles in CB23 or testing WoW for 30-60 min which would always run the temps up to 100c. Now they don't break 86c and if I set fans to max don't break 80c. I didn't even delid it. On the other hand, the system overall pulls 200w now just running CB23 and caps out running Timespy at 237w with the 230w PSU in HWInfo since there is no thermal wall to throttle it.

 

It's ironic and funny, but when I first picked up that 12900k back in Dec 2021 from Newegg while binning several, it stood out immediately from the rest for running so stupidly cool with such low pull to boot. I even commented on the old NBR forums about I hope Clevo, MSI or Alienware drops a 12th gen DTR because it is screaming for a laptop with its characteristics.....

 

.......and ~22months later here we are.  🤣

 

Hopefully I'll get a crack down the road with this SP115 13900k in the NH55 since it can run full throttle on a 280mm AIO, hit ~42k and stay in the high 70s/ low 80s with no delid just KPx. It may need that aftermarket heatsink.

 

That is what I liked about Prema on the P870 series the best and it looks like the X370 harkens back to those "everything in the BIOS" days. No need to run Clevo Control for anything. I don't run it on the NH55 either. Just TS 9.6.

 

@jaybee83 while a retention frame won't work, you can remove the entire retention lever mechanism and just use the HS direct pressure to mount giving you some of the thermal advantages of a retention bracket (IE, no bending from the original mounting system). I did this and it helps while taming a full bore 12900k in there.

 

huh! thats actually quite an interesting strategy you applied there, i might be inclined to try that out 🙂 good job!

 

5 hours ago, D2ultima said:

Bigger number is obviously better number *nods in culture*

 

Next time I reboot I'll see how high the numbers in the BIOS go for RAM OCing, I thought they ended at about 7200 but I can't be sure anymore. I'll DM you!

 

replied to DM 😄 i see youre sporting a 13600K, DDR5-7200 should be the minimum the IMC is able to push. id say push those RAM voltages up high and shoot for 8000+ 😁

 

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I think my ram sucks… And I’m ready to toss it. 
 

I can make it 5 minutes on Anta777 Extreme with my (2x24GB) 7200 sticks while @ 8800C40. 

 

Im sending lots of voltage. The more voltage I send the longer it runs the test. 🤣

 

My CPU IMC seems to be happy with it, but this is seriously feeling like a ram limitation. 
 

I want some of those 8400 sticks. I bet they could do 8800 TM5 stable.

 

LULZ shame on you, not even able to get a PEASANT style 8800C40 to pass TM5. throw those garbage DIMMs away instantly! /s

[Papusan]

10 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Im sending lots of voltage. The more voltage I send the longer it runs the test. 🤣

 

My CPU IMC seems to be happy with it, but this is seriously feeling like a ram limitation. 
 

I want some of those 8400 8600 sticks. I bet they could do 8800 TM5 stable.

I fix it for you🤣

 

More expensive... Means always better performance. Doesn't it? Exactly as newer has to be better @ryan😁

 

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@Mr. Foxare you ready to walk over to the Red side for mooore performance? But don't expect that AMD will offer similar platform longevity as for the older AM4. If you are lucky... Maybe a second and last Cpu gen upgrade

 

 

 @Rage Setcan probably tell more about how long AMD will support Cpu upgrades on the Threadripper platform.

 

AMD Launches Ryzen Threadripper 7000 - Returning to Enthusiasts

And you''ll need new ram and new motherboard. Avoid OEM prebuilts because they don't offer oc'ing. AMD want 2.5 times higher price for the 24 cores chips vs Intel 13900KS, but you'll get more threads due no baby cores.

 

21 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Hollow gesture.

 

China will unofficially get the GPUs one way or the other.

China Prices for RTX 4090 Cards Double a Month Before US Sanctions Bite

[cylix]

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

@Mr. Foxare you ready to walk over to the Red side for mooore performance? But don't expect that AMD will offer similar platform longevity as for the older AM4. If you are lucky... Maybe a second and last Cpu gen upgrade

No thanks. Not interested.

[jaybee83]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

I fix it for you🤣

 

More expensive... Means always better performance. Doesn't it? Exactly as newer has to be better @ryan😁

 

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@Mr. Foxare you ready to walk over to the Red side for mooore performance? But don't expect that AMD will offer similar platform longevity as for the older AM4. If you are lucky... Maybe a second and last Cpu gen upgrade

 

 

 @Rage Setcan probably tell more about how long AMD will support Cpu upgrades on the Threadripper platform.

 

AMD Launches Ryzen Threadripper 7000 - Returning to Enthusiasts

And you''ll need new ram and new motherboard. Avoid OEM prebuilts because they don't offer oc'ing. AMD want 2.5 times higher price for the 24 cores chips vs Intel 13900KS, but you'll get more threads due no baby cores.

 

China Prices for RTX 4090 Cards Double a Month Before US Sanctions Bite

 

1 hour ago, cylix said:

 

 

lets see if they learned from their previous TR mistakes 😋

 

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

No thanks. Not interested.

 

now thats very unexpected 😁

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, jaybee83 said:

now thats very unexpected 😁

LOL. The X570 joke was probably the straw that broken the camel's back for me. I'm not going to forgive that abortion for a very long time. Maybe never. The CCX thing sucks more than the baby core trash from Intel.

[D2ultima]

At least the E-cores are very useful for system usage and multitasking and productivity

 

Dunno what the benefit of them CCX is outside of AMD wallet

[tps3443]

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

You're starting to identify what I have been complaining about for several years; before DDR5 was even a thing. There is a huge silicon lottery with memory modules and I have purchased and RMA'd a ludicrous number of memory kits because they were trash. Having a high-rated kit, or the most expensive one available, doesn't mean it is a good one. It only means it passed some kind of screening process that allows them to feel justified in screwing the buyer of it harder. The lower binned modules are just the garbage nobody wants that they are hoping to unload on someone whose bar is set lower and has less of an appetite for overpriced computer parts. They are made the same and cost the same to make whether they are 8600 or 6800. The numbers printed on the label (and the price tag) are not a guarantee of quality or performance, but they should be.

Yeah you’re right, I have really just changed my tune on memory stability. So, I would set DDR5 8800 and go test it in games and other real world apps, and if it was reliable 24/7

I would leave it at that. It was not until first hand experience seeing the downsides of a “Jufis Stable” memory overclock. These instabilities are not easily noticed but are more underlying with poor 0.1% lows and inconsistent latency in games that may cause skipping which are the most common issues that occur. This drove me to want a true stable memory overclock, which is why I run this DDR5 8000C34 right now, because my sticks just can’t produce much better and be 100% stable with no errors. The problem with this is, most memory kits cannot do DDR5 8800 true stable. We’d have to buy like (8-10) sticks of 24GB Hynix 5600/6400 and test each stick one at a time, then run the best (2) together. I can’t even find the Green stick 24GB Hynix stuff anywhere. 
 

This does make me happy about the 8400/8600 XMP stuff coming out especially with only 1.400V (That’s impressive, but not for $400 dollars lol..) My IMC is good to go, my motherboard(s) pick your poison black or white are both good to go lol. But not my 7200 sticks.

[jaybee83]

49 minutes ago, D2ultima said:

At least the E-cores are very useful for system usage and multitasking and productivity

 

Dunno what the benefit of them CCX is outside of AMD wallet

 

easy scalability and low cost. without the CCX strategy we wouldve never gotten an Intel trying hard to churn out additional cores, even if its just baby cores cuz otherwise they wouldnt be able to compete in multi core performance inside a monolithic silicon power and pricing budget.

[Rage Set]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

I fix it for you🤣

 

More expensive... Means always better performance. Doesn't it? Exactly as newer has to be better @ryan😁

 

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@Mr. Foxare you ready to walk over to the Red side for mooore performance? But don't expect that AMD will offer similar platform longevity as for the older AM4. If you are lucky... Maybe a second and last Cpu gen upgrade

 

 

 @Rage Setcan probably tell more about how long AMD will support Cpu upgrades on the Threadripper platform.

 

AMD Launches Ryzen Threadripper 7000 - Returning to Enthusiasts

And you''ll need new ram and new motherboard. Avoid OEM prebuilts because they don't offer oc'ing. AMD want 2.5 times higher price for the 24 cores chips vs Intel 13900KS, but you'll get more threads due no baby cores.

 

China Prices for RTX 4090 Cards Double a Month Before US Sanctions Bite

 

Based off what I've seen, this "socket" will likely have two gens to it, however, they made no mention of future support. So no, I am not going back.

 

Plus they made TRX50 really bad compared to the TR 7000 Pro series...48 PCIe 5.0 lanes? I get the four memory channels. Lastly, you can use TR 7000 Pro processors on TRX50 motherboards but you still have the same memory channels and PCIe lanes. 

 

This is crazy to say, but AMD is Intel five years ago. They think they can put anything out and it will sell. There are a ton of us TRX40 owners giving AMD the evil stare now. 

 

EDIT: One more thing...why did they choose to name them 7980X and lower? I mean, did no one in AMD's marketing team research how Intel used the same names for their processors?

[D2ultima]

23 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

easy scalability and low cost. without the CCX strategy we wouldve never gotten an Intel trying hard to churn out additional cores, even if its just baby cores cuz otherwise they wouldnt be able to compete in multi core performance inside a monolithic silicon power and pricing budget.

nah I actually highly value E-cores. They make using the system magically smooth. Issues I had before like media on second monitor while games were open causing extra stuttering, especially in borderless windowed mode, OBS preview window stuttering, how slow the PC gets when CPU is near max and you're still trying to do anything in the background... all of those issues vanished with E-cores. AMD doesn't come close to that functionality, and I don't recommend AMD to anyone who does a lick of things outside of purely gaming anymore as a result.

 

I wish media outlets would comment on the non-benchmarkable benefits the E-cores tech grants to a system instead of saying "well 7800X3D is better for gaming than a 13600K so might as well buy that"

[tps3443]

The new Threadripper naming is so familiar. Sounds like Intel 7960 and Intel 7980 names which carry legendary performance and longevity.…. 🤣

[Papusan]

21 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

The new Threadripper naming is so familiar. Sounds like Intel 7960 and Intel 7980 names which carry legendary performance and longevity.…. 🤣

THREADRIPPER and socket longevity.…. AMD is the new iNTEL🤣 @Rage Set😬

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

EDIT: One more thing...why did they choose to name them 7980X and lower? I mean, did no one in AMD's marketing team research how Intel used the same names for their processors?

 

51 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

The new Threadripper naming is so familiar. Sounds like Intel 7960 and Intel 7980 names which carry legendary performance and longevity.…. 🤣

LOL... 🤣 Maybe they thought if they borrowed names from some of the most amazing CPUs in the history of computers that would drive sales for the extremely severe overpriced new TR processors.

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

easy scalability and low cost. without the CCX strategy we wouldve never gotten an Intel trying hard to churn out additional cores, even if its just baby cores cuz otherwise they wouldnt be able to compete in multi core performance inside a monolithic silicon power and pricing budget.

That is true. It did drive higher core count in mainstream computing, so we all win... both red and blue teams.

 

But, monolithic is better. The need for infinity fabric and the imbalance of weak versus strong CCX on the same package are both less than ideal.

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, D2ultima said:

nah I actually highly value E-cores. They make using the system magically smooth. Issues I had before like media on second monitor while games were open causing extra stuttering, especially in borderless windowed mode, OBS preview window stuttering, how slow the PC gets when CPU is near max and you're still trying to do anything in the background... all of those issues vanished with E-cores. AMD doesn't come close to that functionality, and I don't recommend AMD to anyone who does a lick of things outside of purely gaming anymore as a result.

 

I wish media outlets would comment on the non-benchmarkable benefits the E-cores tech grants to a system instead of saying "well 7800X3D is better for gaming than a 13600K so might as well buy that"

 

as usual, its always down to what ure using it for. that never changed 😁

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

THREADRIPPER and socket longevity.…. AMD is the new iNTEL🤣 @Rage Set😬

 

welp any company would turn out like that if they had any market niche cornered, no surprise there 😑

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

LOL... 🤣 Maybe they thought if they borrowed names from some of the most amazing CPUs in the history of computers that would drive sales for the extremely severe overpriced new TR processors.

That is true. It did drive higher core count in mainstream computing, so we all win... both red and blue teams.

 

But, monolithic is better. The need for infinity fabric and the imbalance of weak versus strong CCX on the same package are both less than ideal.

 

welp, intel will soon move away from monolithic, as well, same with Nvidia. similar to switching from a single core eith more jiggahertz to multiple cores, it just makes sense longterm to switch from one monolithic die to mutliple chiplets. next step after that will likely be 3D chips, of which we already see the early beginnings with stacked cache. or maybe alternative subtrates like glass, lets see what the future brings.

 

in the end we will not really care as long at it gets us MOAR performance 😁

[Mr. Fox]

22 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

in the end we will not really care as long at it gets us MOAR performance 😁

As long as I can get my overclocking fetish satisfied, then I will tolerate it. If not, then I will choose something else as a hobby. I am not OK with the normalization of performance and "everyone gets the same trophy for participating" approach. Things are getting so dumbed down that it's fast becoming not very enjoyable. Nothing for an overclocking enthusiast to be enthusiastic about. I do want MOAR performance, but it needs to be substantially more than the 99% get that don't know how to overclock. If I can't do that because the product doesn't support it, or because it sucks at that, then I don't want the product. Owning it becomes pointless.

 

I know Intel has that on their roadmap and I am not pleased by it. I'd much rather have a massive CPU with a huge slab of silicon in a monolithic die. It's easier to cool, performs better and less likely to have issues and performance impediments than something cobbled together simply to increase core count. I'd much prefer that they just keep making the CPU larger to accommodate the added cores. That being said, I think Intel is capable of executing on the idea more effectively and producing a better outcome, so I will see how it turns out before I toss the baby out with the bath water.

[ryan]

I agree, I'm getting sick of tweaking windows and lowering processes and ram usage only to see lower scores than a completely stock os. Its like a rookie such as myself in a sense jumps in and gets higher scores than someone thats spent countless hours tweaking their system. rigged.  I enjoy beating my own scores and often times get the highest scores for my given hardware, but all of this is vain. I don't get a better gaming expereince nor does my system feel snappier than say a quick .bat to disable useless processes. I don't understand why windows functions like this, you would think if its running less in the background the system would feel and perform better. I will admit lowering processes to 70-80 and running the bare minimum will result in a snappier system, but nothings open. the best optimization is leaving your computer off. 0 processes running.