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[tps3443]

I like this profile right here. 6.3P on (4) cores 5.8P on (8) cores. 4.4E like a 14900K, and DDR5 8600. Only 1.217V underload. 
 

 

[tps3443]

Encore installed!!! 🙂

 

 

[Papusan]

 

 

MSI Launches Project Zero Motherboards With Hidden Connectors

MSI has finally listed the company's Project Zero motherboards with hidden connectors. Like Asus DIY-APE and Gigabyte Project Stealth, MSI's Project Zero essentially moves all the onboard connectors to the back of the motherboard to facilitate cable management and for a tidier aesthetic.

 

And Apple/Dell/alienware's engineers will finally get confirmed they was correct all time regarding proprietary solutions.... 

 

 

Ready for the future AND NEW PUSH FOR EVEN HIGHER E-WASTE? @Mr. Fox @Talon @Rage Set++++

 

Dell will become the little boy in this mess when every HW company finds their own way of implementing and use new proprietary tech. And Apple needs some tough thinking to find where they stands vs their competitors from Windows land. This will be Ugly.

 

Electronic waste | wikipedia.com

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

 

MSI Launches Project Zero Motherboards With Hidden Connectors

MSI has finally listed the company's Project Zero motherboards with hidden connectors. Like Asus DIY-APE and Gigabyte Project Stealth, MSI's Project Zero essentially moves all the onboard connectors to the back of the motherboard to facilitate cable management and for a tidier aesthetic.

 

And Apple/Dell/alienware's engineers will finally get confirmed they was correct all time regarding proprietary solutions.... 

 

 

Ready for the future AND NEW PUSH FOR EVEN HIGHER E-WASTE? @Mr. Fox @Talon @Rage Set++++

 

 

Besides a barf bucket, don't forget to have a packet of these in your glovebox. 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Besides a barf bucket, don't forget to have a packet of these in your glovebox. 

 

 

 

I'm afraid I'll need use toilet paper. Norway as you know is an high cost country. The massive use of such wipes would ruin my personal economy. Heavy usage for cleanup need other solutions. 

[tps3443]

@Papusan

I’d watch that auto SA voltage with Apex Encore. It’s crazy low! I fixed that and all is well with Encore overclocking. 
 

But my DDR5 8600 profile was badly unstable at first with random BSODS. Then I see my auto SA voltage was 1.225v 😂

 

Maybe also check your IMC voltage too, it’s effective manual voltage keyed in, is substantially lower than what you may have typed in manually. So, I think this and SA is why a few people were reporting poor overclocking. 
 

Anyways, this is a new board and very first bios. That SA and IMC voltage were giving some trouble at first. Auto SA just does not scale at all. 
 

The Vanilla Z790 Apex has an abnormally high SA voltage out of the box, which helped with streamlined memory OC. 
 

 

[Papusan]

34 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

@Papusan

I’d watch that auto SA voltage with Apex Encore. It’s crazy low! I fixed that and all is well with Encore overclocking. 
 

But my DDR5 8600 profile was badly unstable at first with random BSODS. Then I see my auto SA voltage was 1.225v 😂

 

Maybe also check your IMC voltage too, it’s effective manual voltage keyed in, is substantially lower than what you may have typed in manually. So, I think this and SA is why a few people were reporting poor overclocking. 
 

Anyways, this is a new board and very first bios. That SA and IMC voltage were giving some trouble at first. Auto SA just does not scale at all. 
 

The Vanilla Z790 Apex has an abnormally high SA voltage out of the box, which helped with streamlined memory OC. 
 

 

 

Hi. Thanks. The board is in transit and need one more week to arrive. But what bios version did you test with? The release bios or the last beta? If so, any difference between them? Or is Asus firmware release cand and beta's still ridled with bugs? 

[tps3443]

56 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Hi. Thanks. The board is in transit and need one more week to arrive. But what bios version did you test with? The release bios or the last beta? If so, any difference between them? Or is Asus firmware release cand and beta's still ridled with bugs? 

I am using the release bios that was pre-installed on the board. 
 

After setting SA voltage like my other Apex it is solid solid! DDR5 8600 is working very well. 
 

I think the included bios is probably okay. 

[Talon]

17 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Encore installed!!! 🙂

 

 

 

Awesome! Love this haha. I'm about to punt my Z690 Dark right out of the window. EVGA is not bringing updated BIOS for 14th gen, and while that isn't a huge loss, it sort of is. It kills some of the resale value, it won't have support in the future for any issues that may arise with future hardware. We had plenty of those with new RTX 4000 series that needed BIOS updates to correct. 

 

I think I'll drive over late tonight or early tomorrow morning to grab one of the few remaining APEX at my second local MC. My closest MC sold out last night. So I gotta drive a tad bit further to get this one. 

[Rage Set]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

MSI Launches Project Zero Motherboards With Hidden Connectors

MSI has finally listed the company's Project Zero motherboards with hidden connectors. Like Asus DIY-APE and Gigabyte Project Stealth, MSI's Project Zero essentially moves all the onboard connectors to the back of the motherboard to facilitate cable management and for a tidier aesthetic.

 

And Apple/Dell/alienware's engineers will finally get confirmed they was correct all time regarding proprietary solutions.... 

 

 

Ready for the future AND NEW PUSH FOR EVEN HIGHER E-WASTE? @Mr. Fox @Talon @Rage Set++++

 

Dell will become the little boy in this mess when every HW company finds their own way of implementing and use new proprietary tech. And Apple needs some tough thinking to find where they stands vs their competitors from Windows land. This will be Ugly.

 

Electronic waste | wikipedia.com

 

 

 

I'd be seriously afraid if they were selling these concept boards for much cheaper than traditional mobos to spur adoption. As it stands right now, you will need to buy a specialize case and mobo that can only be used with each. You also have to hope that MSI, Asus and others don't abandon it after a year or so. 

 

Unless these mobos have the backing, like, CXL (https://www.computeexpresslink.org/members), I don't think they are going to be a thing for too long. Look at the BTX mobo form factor, it was supposed to be the next big thing (literally). I was one of the people highly interested in it back then...got crushed by ATX. So, I wish these companies the best of luck, hahaha. 

[jaybee83]

8 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Awesome! Love this haha. I'm about to punt my Z690 Dark right out of the window. EVGA is not bringing updated BIOS for 14th gen, and while that isn't a huge loss, it sort of is. It kills some of the resale value, it won't have support in the future for any issues that may arise with future hardware. We had plenty of those with new RTX 4000 series that needed BIOS updates to correct. 

 

I think I'll drive over late tonight or early tomorrow morning to grab one of the few remaining APEX at my second local MC. My closest MC sold out last night. So I gotta drive a tad bit further to get this one. 

lucky man, with TWO MCs close by, most others would be happy about one hahaha

 

shame about EVGA not providing such a basic bios update....i mean, its not like were talking "new" cpus here that need to be supported...

[D2ultima]

Man I really want access to that intel APO driver. Especially since I was gifted Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered and that game can ***EAT*** a CPU whole for breakfast lunch dinner and midnight snack, look at this sorcery

 

[Papusan]

 

 

 

 

Greed works. Always. And it seems all main AIB partners is equal or even more greedy than Nvidia itself when they push their 4090 Skus over to the Chineese market for more profits😟 Also scalpers are picking up some OF THE RTX 4090s with a view to reselling them in the Chinese market. ONCE AGAIN WILL THE GAMERS SUFFERS FROM GREED. 

 

 

[tps3443]

18 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Awesome! Love this haha. I'm about to punt my Z690 Dark right out of the window. EVGA is not bringing updated BIOS for 14th gen, and while that isn't a huge loss, it sort of is. It kills some of the resale value, it won't have support in the future for any issues that may arise with future hardware. We had plenty of those with new RTX 4000 series that needed BIOS updates to correct. 

 

I think I'll drive over late tonight or early tomorrow morning to grab one of the few remaining APEX at my second local MC. My closest MC sold out last night. So I gotta drive a tad bit further to get this one. 

You have a white Z790 Apex too though right? I will say this, the RGB lights are so much better on the Encore for sure (See the pic below) They look almost opaque in color and a solid light. They look sick!

 

Also, that little memory cooling fan on the Encore is a screamer! It actually blows good amount of air. I reversed mine and let it blow on the back of my GPU. It legit WORKS. I was surprised. At 100% speed in bios, it gives off a server whine sound though. But It sounds kinda cool. And it puts out some air. 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

It's really sad to see "technology experts" reporting things from the perspective of mainstream consumers rather than the perspective of enthusiasts. While there is some truth to this article from the perspective of someone that simply presses a button to turn on their computer, it seems to ignore legitimate progress in areas that matter to enthusiasts. If I cared a great deal about stock performance I would rarely ever purchase anything, as I would have little reason to.

Intel Core CPU Clock-for-Clock Benchmark Test 
Lack of Progress
By Steven Walton October 26, 2023

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

The actual benefit comes in the form of enhanced overclocking. The variance in stock performance from 12th through 14th generation is not a big deal, and not something people that are focused on overclocking care about. We don't run our CPUs stock, don't care much about that, so zero performance improvement stock is not a big deal if you can push your newer CPU harder and farther with the same or less voltage.

 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's really sad to see "technology experts" reporting things from the perspective of mainstream consumers rather than the perspective of enthusiasts. While there is some truth to this article from the perspective of someone that simply presses a button to turn on their computer, it seems to ignore legitimate progress in areas that matter to enthusiasts. If I cared a great deal about stock performance I would rarely ever purchase anything, as I would have little reason to.

Intel Core CPU Clock-for-Clock Benchmark Test 
Lack of Progress
By Steven Walton October 26, 2023

 

 

Nothing different than what he puking out in Hardware Unboxed YouTube videos. Remember Steve Walton was our old NBR friend Hmscott's (Scott Herkelman) favorite tech editor in the older days  (due his big love love for AMDs products). And AMD offer products for the mainstream consumers... so....

 

 

[tps3443]

It took ModMyMod’s 8 days just to provide tracking for my order 😂 turns out, they say they have something “In-Stock” but they out source it after you buy it. In my case, I ordered a Aquatuning dual D5 pump top. They turns around and ordered it from Germany and had to wait to receive it, before they could ship to me. I am not really a fan of this tactic. I could have ordered from Titan Rig, who actually had 1 of them in-stock and I would have had it the next day with $25 dollar overnight shipping option. You live and learn I guess. They finally shipped it today though. I just wish they were more honest about their inventory. (WARNING: There may be a long delay, because we don’t actually have anything in-stock lol)

 

 

[Reciever]

Hey guys, a coworker of mine is going to be building a desktop soon and hes looking at AM5, he's by no means an overclocker, Project Manager by trade and he finds the 7800X3D since its a turn keyish solution and also the 7900 XTX because I think he has the Samsung G9 so hes concerned about being able to get the full offering from the monitor.

 

I know not all of you are using AM5 but my question is this, what motherboard would you guys recommend? He is looking at ATX and Im waiting to hear back from him about the budget. This will be purchased in the US48, we do have a Microcenter in Dallas within driving distance. 

 

Thanks in advance guys

 

 

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Reciever said:

Hey guys, a coworker of mine is going to be building a desktop soon and hes looking at AM5, he's by no means an overclocker, Project Manager by trade and he finds the 7800X3D since its a turn keyish solution and also the 7900 XTX because I think he has the Samsung G9 so hes concerned about being able to get the full offering from the monitor.

 

I know not all of you are using AM5 but my question is this, what motherboard would you guys recommend? He is looking at ATX and Im waiting to hear back from him about the budget. This will be purchased in the US48, we do have a Microcenter in Dallas within driving distance. 

 

Thanks in advance guys

 

 

 

Does he have a budget or is price unlimited?

 

Bang for Buck all AMD rig:

 

MSI B650 Gaming ($180) or (MSI X670-P Pro $200 at MC)

G.Skill Flare X5 2x16GB 6000 EXPO Certified ($100) ($98 MC)

7800X3D ($369) ($350 MC)

Sapphire 7900XTX Nitro+ ($1030) ($1060 MC)

Asrock Taichi 7900xtx ($1060) (both)

 

 

~1679+tax Newegg or ~$1708+Tax MC w/ Sapphire

 

I see some killer open box items at your Dallas MC you could target too.

 

If he has no budget, you can up the motherboard depending on what else he needs along with the memory, but the above system is really going to give you the bulk of performance you need and leave room for a quality 1000w+ PSU, good storage and a case of his choice especially in light of not being an overclocker/tweaker and looking for a good turn key system. His case selection will dictate his cooling. I use an older EVGA 360 CLC w/ AM4 fitting and it works fantastic so he can get away with a wide swath of coolers.

 

Beware, MC may not be an Asrock GPU authorized seller so they may reject a warranty claim. Newegg is authorized. Amazon isn't authorized. I found out when I picked up an Asrock GPU back in March and there was no free game code at the time. Some calls, Q&A and come to find out Amazon isn't an official reseller even if "sold and shipped from Amazon," hence no game code. I returned the GPU sealed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

8 hours ago, Reciever said:

Hey guys, a coworker of mine is going to be building a desktop soon and hes looking at AM5, he's by no means an overclocker, Project Manager by trade and he finds the 7800X3D since its a turn keyish solution and also the 7900 XTX because I think he has the Samsung G9 so hes concerned about being able to get the full offering from the monitor.

 

I know not all of you are using AM5 but my question is this, what motherboard would you guys recommend? He is looking at ATX and Im waiting to hear back from him about the budget. This will be purchased in the US48, we do have a Microcenter in Dallas within driving distance. 

 

Thanks in advance guys

 

 

id say with him being a project manager he should have an unlimited budget 😁 (my wife is a PM as well, so i know what kinda salaries they get hahaha).

[D2ultima]

20 hours ago, Reciever said:

Hey guys, a coworker of mine is going to be building a desktop soon and hes looking at AM5, he's by no means an overclocker, Project Manager by trade and he finds the 7800X3D since its a turn keyish solution and also the 7900 XTX because I think he has the Samsung G9 so hes concerned about being able to get the full offering from the monitor.

 

I know not all of you are using AM5 but my question is this, what motherboard would you guys recommend? He is looking at ATX and Im waiting to hear back from him about the budget. This will be purchased in the US48, we do have a Microcenter in Dallas within driving distance. 

 

Thanks in advance guys

 

 

Well what does he wanna do with the PC? If he is the type to turn on a game and close everything else, then a 7800X3D will probably do fine for him. If he likes to multitask or do productivity work I'm going to hard suggest intel due to that E-cores magic. As for the GPU, I don't understand why AMD is necessary to get the best out of the monitor, but if he wants to play games, a 4090 is just going to be better, of course. If he still wants the 7900XTX then my obvious (and only) recommendation is Sapphire brand

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, D2ultima said:

As for the GPU, I don't understand why AMD is necessary to get the best out of the monitor

Not sure if this is fixed or can be fixed... 

 

An Odd Limitation

For now, the only graphics cards that can handle a 7680x2160 resolution at a refresh rate of 240 Hz with Samsung's curved 57-inch Odyssey Neo G9 are AMD's Radeon RX 7000-series that support a DisplayPort 2.1 with UHBR 13.5 (and offering a 54 Gbit/s of bandwidth). Meanwhile, the review by QuasarZone indicates that AMD's Radeon RX 7000-series boards can also support 7680x2160 at 240 Hz using HDMI 2.1 when used with a proper 48G cable. By contrast, neither Nvidia's GeForce RTX 40-series GPUs nor Intel's Arc A700-series GPUs could support this resolution at this refresh rate using any kind of connection, according to QuasarZone.

 

Such a limitation is very odd, and its reasons are unknown. However, there could be restrictions in Intel and Nvidia GPU display pipelines or certain limitations in firmware or software. 

GeForce RTX 4090 Can't Handle Samsung's Odyssey Neo G9 

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, D2ultima said:

Well what does he wanna do with the PC? If he is the type to turn on a game and close everything else, then a 7800X3D will probably do fine for him. If he likes to multitask or do productivity work I'm going to hard suggest intel due to that E-cores magic. As for the GPU, I don't understand why AMD is necessary to get the best out of the monitor, but if he wants to play games, a 4090 is just going to be better, of course. If he still wants the 7900XTX then my obvious (and only) recommendation is Sapphire brand

Mostly spreadsheets (lots of them), Email, Teams. He is not interested in Intel, 4090 cant supply the bandwidth over the port for the full resolution and refresh on the panel he has so to him the RTX 4090 is a non starter. He isnt expecting the 7900XTX to knock it out of the park in gaming at that resolution but for standard use, and its half the price of the 4090 so that was his starting point.

 

17 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Does he have a budget or is price unlimited?

 

Bang for Buck all AMD rig:

 

MSI B650 Gaming ($180) or (MSI X670-P Pro $200 at MC)

G.Skill Flare X5 2x16GB 6000 EXPO Certified ($100) ($98 MC)

7800X3D ($369) ($350 MC)

Sapphire 7900XTX Nitro+ ($1030) ($1060 MC)

Asrock Taichi 7900xtx ($1060) (both)

 

 

~1679+tax Newegg or ~$1708+Tax MC w/ Sapphire

 

I see some killer open box items at your Dallas MC you could target too.

 

If he has no budget, you can up the motherboard depending on what else he needs along with the memory, but the above system is really going to give you the bulk of performance you need and leave room for a quality 1000w+ PSU, good storage and a case of his choice especially in light of not being an overclocker/tweaker and looking for a good turn key system. His case selection will dictate his cooling. I use an older EVGA 360 CLC w/ AM4 fitting and it works fantastic so he can get away with a wide swath of coolers.

 

Beware, MC may not be an Asrock GPU authorized seller so they may reject a warranty claim. Newegg is authorized. Amazon isn't authorized. I found out when I picked up an Asrock GPU back in March and there was no free game code at the time. Some calls, Q&A and come to find out Amazon isn't an official reseller even if "sold and shipped from Amazon," hence no game code. I returned the GPU sealed.

 

 

I have shared this with him, on top of my own recommendation. He wasnt too keen on giving me a budget, gave me a very helpful answer of "no limit, but dont want to spend more than I have to" lol 

 

So I gave him a look at the Asrock B650E Lite to which he was impressed with but he hasnt pulled the trigger on anything as of yet. Thank you for your input 🙂

 

13 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

id say with him being a project manager he should have an unlimited budget 😁 (my wife is a PM as well, so i know what kinda salaries they get hahaha).

I think most of his unlimited budget might have gone into that screen lol

 

13 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Not sure if this is fixed or can be fixed... 

 

An Odd Limitation

For now, the only graphics cards that can handle a 7680x2160 resolution at a refresh rate of 240 Hz with Samsung's curved 57-inch Odyssey Neo G9 are AMD's Radeon RX 7000-series that support a DisplayPort 2.1 with UHBR 13.5 (and offering a 54 Gbit/s of bandwidth). Meanwhile, the review by QuasarZone indicates that AMD's Radeon RX 7000-series boards can also support 7680x2160 at 240 Hz using HDMI 2.1 when used with a proper 48G cable. By contrast, neither Nvidia's GeForce RTX 40-series GPUs nor Intel's Arc A700-series GPUs could support this resolution at this refresh rate using any kind of connection, according to QuasarZone.

 

Such a limitation is very odd, and its reasons are unknown. However, there could be restrictions in Intel and Nvidia GPU display pipelines or certain limitations in firmware or software. 

GeForce RTX 4090 Can't Handle Samsung's Odyssey Neo G9 

 

Yeah basically my Program Manager got one first, he complained because his Precision laptop couldnt output the full experience (hardly surprising) but he also shared his experiences with the PM's and as such as the resident computer nerd I was pinged about it.

 

 

 

[D2ultima]

7 hours ago, Reciever said:

Mostly spreadsheets (lots of them), Email, Teams. He is not interested in Intel, 4090 cant supply the bandwidth over the port for the full resolution and refresh on the panel he has so to him the RTX 4090 is a non starter. He isnt expecting the 7900XTX to knock it out of the park in gaming at that resolution but for standard use, and its half the price of the 4090 so that was his starting point.

Well... stuff like basic workhorsing the CPU doesn't much matter.

 

At that resolution the CPU also does not matter, he will never achieve high enough fps in any game made in the last 10 years or so, to the point where I need to ask the difference between 120/144Hz and 240Hz if you can never achieve the actual smoothness or the frames? But either way, it's up to him.

 

I'm going to bow out from the recommendations though, because it sounds like he isn't actually asking for any, but rather wants to know the cheapest way to complete the PC with parts he's already decided on.

[Reciever]

5 hours ago, D2ultima said:

Well... stuff like basic workhorsing the CPU doesn't much matter.

 

At that resolution the CPU also does not matter, he will never achieve high enough fps in any game made in the last 10 years or so, to the point where I need to ask the difference between 120/144Hz and 240Hz if you can never achieve the actual smoothness or the frames? But either way, it's up to him.

 

I'm going to bow out from the recommendations though, because it sounds like he isn't actually asking for any, but rather wants to know the cheapest way to complete the PC with parts he's already decided on.

He wants full function of the monitor which currently means nothing from Nvidia nor does he intend to play games at that resolution the point is to have that fluid motion and refresh rate for work, gaming is the nifty bonus not the primary.