Official Benchmark Thread - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

saturnotaku · January 20

27 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

4060 is just not a good card if you're trying to push anything modern with decent settings these days. Sometimes it is worth it to pay a little bit more and get a much better card which the 7800XT is both in horsepower and Vram.

As much as I love having my rays traced, I can't justify $600 for the 4070 Super (4070 at $550 is still a joke) when I found a 7800 XT for $150 less.

electrosoft · January 20

18 minutes ago, saturnotaku said:

As much as I love having my rays traced, I can't justify $600 for the 4070 Super (4070 at $550 is still a joke) when I found a 7800 XT for $150 less.

That made me chuckle. 🙂

I agree. Outside of RT and some QOL Nvidia advantages, if pure raster is your game, $450 for a 7800XT is definitely the smart buy.

I'm the same guy who knows he's going to be a glutton for punishment and when the 4080 Super drops and the 7900XTX drops to $899 or less, I'll end up shoving another 7900XTX in my cart (XFX first time, MSI second) and tell myself, "third time is the charm!" 🥲

cylix · January 20

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

So I went and checked with my dialed in A-die Hynix sticks (2x32GB 6000) and to boot with the newest BIOS it takes 63 seconds from power on to post MSI logo.

I wonder if MSI BIOS has a similar BIOS option as ASUS where you can tell it to not retrain memory every startup and do a check which is what AM5 does by default on start up. The more you deviate from JEDEC (fastest 4800) or EXPO timings the longer it can take to post as it checks everything.

The downside is if there is a problem or error it won't find it on post check but in your OS but if you know your memory settings are locked in, tested and sound an option to skip memory retraining every power on would be nice.

Is that boot time with memory context restore on? I got a very quick boot time with that on. Under 15 sec.

electrosoft · January 20

12 minutes ago, cylix said:

Is that boot time with memory context restore on? I got a very quick boot time with that on. Under 15 sec.

Ah, that might be the equivalent of the Asus command. I'll have to check and see if it is on or off.

cylix · January 20

Yes that's it. It should considerably speed boot time. Some people complains about some random bsod with it on. I don't have any problems with it , I got it on from the beginning. Just sometimes, not that often, maybe 1 in month or so I got a very long time booting with it on. It's like bios is doing memory retraining even if the memory contrxt restore its activated.It just random and weird 😄

Mr. Fox · January 20

Nice gain in RAM cooling on the Apex Encore... The IceMan direct touch RAM block seems to give about the same delta as the Supercool does. These suckers are super heavy. Heavier than the Supercool because the backplate is thicker. The black bezel on top that covers the screws is magnetized and also made of metal. If there is anything that I wish would be different is the use of Philips head screws to attach the block to the jackets. They are a bit soft. Stainless steel Allen or Torx would have been better.

@tps3443

Mr. Fox · January 21

Well, temps are still nice with my 8600 profile even with the elevated voltage. IceMan Cooling did really great with the memory cooling kit. The water in the cooling system for the Apex is about 5°C colder than the water in the Apex Encore loop. (The Apex has a 5-gallon reservoir and the radiator is near an open window, and the radiator for the Encore is in a corner of the office.) And, the difference in temperature reflects that precisely. That being the case, I call it a draw... "Even Steven" comparing it to the Supercool memory cooling kit.

@tps3443

tps3443 · January 21

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, temps are still nice with my 8600 profile even with the elevated voltage. IceMan Cooling did really great with the memory cooling kit. The water in the cooling system for the Apex is about 5°C colder than the water in the Apex Encore loop. (The Apex has a 5-gallon reservoir and the radiator is near an open window, and the radiator for the Encore is in a corner of the office.) And, the difference in temperature reflects that precisely. That being the case, I call it a draw... "Even Steven" comparing it to the Supercool memory cooling kit.

@tps3443

The iceman ram blocks are nice! Much better fitment and easier assembly. I may grab some. The supercools are nice, but installation isn’t exact everytime.

Mr. Fox · January 21

@D2ultima CPU - better get it before it's gone. That's a golden sample Brother @electrosofthas up for sale.

https://www.overclock.net/threads/sp115-13900ks-msi-z790i-edge-g-skill-8000-32gb-2x16gb.1809387/#post-29287900

Check out this big little case. If a person is going to do SFF, this is the way to go. 360 rad support and full size ATX PSU.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C5LK9L62?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

tps3443 · January 21

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

@D2ultima CPU - better get it before it's gone. That's a golden sample Brother @electrosofthas up for sale.

https://www.overclock.net/threads/sp115-13900ks-msi-z790i-edge-g-skill-8000-32gb-2x16gb.1809387/#post-29287900

Check out this big little case. If a person is going to do SFF, this is the way to go. 360 rad support and full size ATX PSU.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C5LK9L62?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

I know I have been tempted to buy it just to have as a spare chip or for 2nd build. I can’t stand a low bin chip my self. And finding good chips for retail pricing is not very common.

Mr. Fox · January 21

Dad-gum. I am one place behind Gunslinger now with stock vBIOS and I haven't found the max OC yet for this Xtreme Waterforce GPU. Going to have to shunt mod this bad boy and use the 2000W Kingpin vBIOS on it. This blew away my prior 2080 Ti FTW3 shunt modded score. I also haven't reduced the core count in the BIOS for the Physics and combine scores yet. The way things are set up now it is super easy for me to switch the chiller from one system to the other with quick disconnect fittings. This might get interesting.

Windows 7 will never be matched by another Micro$lop OS.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5460849_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/16162166

Edit: OK, now I leapfrogged Gunslinger, LOL.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5460910_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/16162200

Edited January 21 by Mr. Fox
updated result

electrosoft · January 21

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

@D2ultima CPU - better get it before it's gone. That's a golden sample Brother @electrosofthas up for sale.

https://www.overclock.net/threads/sp115-13900ks-msi-z790i-edge-g-skill-8000-32gb-2x16gb.1809387/#post-29287900

Check out this big little case. If a person is going to do SFF, this is the way to go. 360 rad support and full size ATX PSU.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C5LK9L62?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I know I have been tempted to buy it just to have as a spare chip or for 2nd build. I can’t stand a low bin chip my self. And finding good chips for retail pricing is not very common.

Looks like it is sold to @spit051261 over on the OCN forums. Just waiting for PayPal to clear the air on this International sale (He's in Australia). I have one other buyer potentially lined up too but he's in Hungary with 2 posts over there so I'm not exactly jumping through the hoops for that one. I prefer state side sales though. Just easier overall when able or sell to those I know. Those always override any other buyers if you're all interested.

jaybee83 · January 21

On 1/20/2024 at 6:48 PM, electrosoft said:

True, but I always find listing on forums nets me less as the buyer pool is smaller and they are much more, um, frugal with their funds expecting some hefty discounts so it comes down to listing on eBay or listing on both.

This is the 7800X3D setup I sold here for 789.99 + S&H no GPU.

I listed both my motherboard setups on eBay for $100 more than the forums to offset the ebay fees and buyers will also have to pay tax on top of that.

The more I'm thinking about it, I'm really tempted to swap in the MSI 13900ks setup for the Asus Z690 D4 12900k setup on the wife's desktop. I'm going to mull that over the next several days.

4060 is just not a good card if you're trying to push anything modern with decent settings these days. Sometimes it is worth it to pay a little bit more and get a much better card which the 7800XT is both in horsepower and Vram.

So I went and checked with my dialed in A-die Hynix sticks (2x32GB 6000) and to boot with the newest BIOS it takes 63 seconds from power on to post MSI logo.

I wonder if MSI BIOS has a similar BIOS option as ASUS where you can tell it to not retrain memory every startup and do a check which is what AM5 does by default on start up. The more you deviate from JEDEC (fastest 4800) or EXPO timings the longer it can take to post as it checks everything.

The downside is if there is a problem or error it won't find it on post check but in your OS but if you know your memory settings are locked in, tested and sound an option to skip memory retraining every power on would be nice.

lol damn i just saw ur terms and conditions in that ebay listing...had bad experiences much? 😄 and im sure lots of ppl STILL dont read all the disclaimers and keep behaving like crap...

On 1/20/2024 at 9:03 PM, cylix said:

Is that boot time with memory context restore on? I got a very quick boot time with that on. Under 15 sec.

On 1/20/2024 at 9:22 PM, cylix said:

Yes that's it. It should considerably speed boot time. Some people complains about some random bsod with it on. I don't have any problems with it , I got it on from the beginning. Just sometimes, not that often, maybe 1 in month or so I got a very long time booting with it on. It's like bios is doing memory retraining even if the memory contrxt restore its activated.It just random and weird 😄

i leave that switched off. from my experience it only works up to a certain point @RAM OC. once u go full timing tightening, it just makes ur system unstable. faster boot time doesnt help me if i have to sacrifice stability or OC potential 😄

besides, its not that bad actually, i need maybe 40-45 seconds at 7600 fully tuned? smth like that...

electrosoft · January 21

12 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

lol damn i just saw ur terms and conditions in that ebay listing...had bad experiences much? 😄 and im sure lots of ppl STILL dont read all the disclaimers and keep behaving like crap...

You have NO idea....lol. I've been on eBay since 1998 and we could sit and have a few pints and I could regale you with just about every type of horror story as a buyer and a seller. I try to explain everything as much as possible in my T&C so there is no confusion and some buyers STILL don't read and ask questions or get mad and I usually say, "everything you asked is in the T&C" and then I get back a, "Ohhh.ok....if I had known I would have (Insert reason here)"

But you DID know *IF* you read the T&C......

15 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

i leave that switched off. from my experience it only works up to a certain point @RAM OC. once u go full timing tightening, it just makes ur system unstable. faster boot time doesnt help me if i have to sacrifice stability or OC potential 😄

besides, its not that bad actually, i need maybe 40-45 seconds at 7600 fully tuned? smth like that...

It takes one minute to boot and I only turn it on once per day so I'm ok letting it do its thing. The only time it is really a pain is when I'm messing with clocks/memory and there is that 60 second delay on boot but then you would kinda want it on then so.....yeah.

Here's something scary for all the losers swapping out parts/modifying 4090s and taking their cores, etc....

This buyer is obviously a bulk/returns buyer who bought a palette of Amazon returns/dead items but still...

D2ultima · January 22

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

@D2ultima CPU - better get it before it's gone. That's a golden sample Brother @electrosofthas up for sale.

https://www.overclock.net/threads/sp115-13900ks-msi-z790i-edge-g-skill-8000-32gb-2x16gb.1809387/#post-29287900

Check out this big little case. If a person is going to do SFF, this is the way to go. 360 rad support and full size ATX PSU.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C5LK9L62?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

Haha thanks for the heads up but it's already gone. I don't have anything now I'm trying to get a replacement for my UPS which no longer works and that's about all I have at the moment, I was expecting in perhaps a year or so you might be finished using the 13900KS and I might be better off then

Mr. Fox · January 22

27 minutes ago, D2ultima said:

Haha thanks for the heads up but it's already gone. I don't have anything now I'm trying to get a replacement for my UPS which no longer works and that's about all I have at the moment, I was expecting in perhaps a year or so you might be finished using the 13900KS and I might be better off then

Maybe so. If I continue on the path of frivolous management of resources that will probably be true. 🤣

electrosoft · January 22

52 minutes ago, D2ultima said:

Haha thanks for the heads up but it's already gone. I don't have anything now I'm trying to get a replacement for my UPS which no longer works and that's about all I have at the moment, I was expecting in perhaps a year or so you might be finished using the 13900KS and I might be better off then

Ditto, my plan is to snag @tps3443 14900k SP107 when he's finished with it and no longer priced in the stratosphere. 🙂

Clamibot · January 22

On 1/16/2024 at 7:19 PM, Tenoroon said:

Took my Ranger outside and I can't get this damn thing to use over 75 watts. I've adjusted all the power limits and stuff in the BIOS, and it just straight up refuses to go over 75. I can enter a high clock but as soon as I run a benchmarks the clocks plummet.

I'm going to reinstall windows for the billionth time to see if that fixes it as XTU and TS seem to wreak havoc on everything. I hope it's some problem with a driver or something as the thing has no internet connection and when I took out the 4710mq I just put in the 4930mx without doing anything.

I know this question is a shot in the dark as all of you haven't used one of these laptops in a while, but have any of you previous Ranger owners had a problem similar to this?

Looks like this question hasn't been answered yet and I'm qualified to answer as I own this laptop.

I have never had this problem on the CPU side, but I had something similar happen on the GPU side when I first upgraded my graphics card from the original GTX 860m that was in it to a GTX 1060.

From what I can gather, there is a power allocation that is performed on different parts in the laptop that scales based on the maximum output of your power supply. With my original 180 watt PSU, I was being clock limited on the GTX 1060 and noticed that I could never get a power draw higher than 80 watts on the GPU. Once I got the 240 watt PSU, I was able to get the full 120 watt maximum power draw out of the GPU.

So my guess is something similar may be happening for you on the CPU side. With a 180 watt power supply, you get 80 watts for the GPU, maybe 75 for the CPU (which may be why you're hitting that limit), and 25 watts for everything else. What PSU are you using with your Ranger?

I use the 240 watt PSU and have been able to overclock my 4930MX to 4.5 GHz. It requires a significant overvolt (I think 75 mv but it may have been more, I'll need to try it again as I haven't done that for a while), and the CPU drew 125 watts of power in the process when running Cinbench R15. I wasn't able to sustain that speed for very long before thermal throttling, but the power delivery is capable of the task.

Papusan · January 22

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Here's something scary for all the losers swapping out parts/modifying 4090s and taking their cores, etc....

This buyer is obviously a bulk/returns buyer who bought a palette of Amazon returns/dead items but still...

It's start to look disgusting. The whole GPU market is pure rotten.

Even though these designs are not official and shouldn’t be sold, these companies still manage to get lots of new GPUs without being punished by NVIDIA. The GPU maker appears unbothered by this business activity, and nothing has been done to prevent these Frankenstein’ed cards from appearing on the market.

it seems China can do whatever they want nowadays. Nvidia is just happy they can sell whatever chips to the Chinese market. China is 1/3 of the whole global chips market for Nvidia. And they need every damn sale after the U.S ban. Profits over everything. They can say they don't like it.... But they doin't care as long they can profit from it.

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GeForce RTX 4080M and RTX 4090M now available in China as desktop GPUs
https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-4080m-and-rtx-4090m-now-available-in-china-as-desktop-gpus

jaybee83 · January 22

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

You have NO idea....lol. I've been on eBay since 1998 and we could sit and have a few pints and I could regale you with just about every type of horror story as a buyer and a seller. I try to explain everything as much as possible in my T&C so there is no confusion and some buyers STILL don't read and ask questions or get mad and I usually say, "everything you asked is in the T&C" and then I get back a, "Ohhh.ok....if I had known I would have (Insert reason here)"

But you DID know *IF* you read the T&C......

It takes one minute to boot and I only turn it on once per day so I'm ok letting it do its thing. The only time it is really a pain is when I'm messing with clocks/memory and there is that 60 second delay on boot but then you would kinda want it on then so.....yeah.

Here's something scary for all the losers swapping out parts/modifying 4090s and taking their cores, etc....

This buyer is obviously a bulk/returns buyer who bought a palette of Amazon returns/dead items but still...

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

It's start to look disgusting. The whole GPU market is pure rotten.

Even though these designs are not official and shouldn’t be sold, these companies still manage to get lots of new GPUs without being punished by NVIDIA. The GPU maker appears unbothered by this business activity, and nothing has been done to prevent these Frankenstein’ed cards from appearing on the market.

it seems China can do whatever they want nowadays. Nvidia is just happy they can sell whatever chips to the Chinese market. China is 1/3 of the whole global chips market for Nvidia. And they need every damn sale after the U.S ban. Profits over everything. They can say they don't like it.... But they doin't care as long they can profit from it.

GeForce RTX 4080M and RTX 4090M now available in China as desktop GPUs
https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-4080m-and-rtx-4090m-now-available-in-china-as-desktop-gpus

anyone see a connection between the two? 😄

damn i would be PISSED if i had bought a 4090 and gotten a 4090 MOBILE instead... nevertheless, gotta respect the "creativity" and dedication behind this, crazy....

Reciever · January 22

I dont mind frankenstein cards as long as they are advertised as such. They are more interesting to me than the standard fare, though I have always had an interest in the odd-ball cards.

Even the Xfire RX 580 card that was talked about for a short bit I wanted to pick up but never saw for sale :(

Mr. Fox · January 22

Misrepresentation and deception are where the problem resides. Whether you get something less than expected (like a Frankenstein GPU) or something that is broken or defective, either scenario is totally unacceptable.

jaybee83 · January 22

so guys, new overclocking section opening up for us, how about it? i mean, who cares about data integrity right?! 😛 😄

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https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/ssd-overclocking-yields-big-performance-gains

saturnotaku · January 22

I used the 7800 XT GPU swap as a teaching moment to show junior some of the finer points of PC building. I think it turned out pretty well, at least on the hardware side. Software was a bit of a mess, but I attribute this to the s****y nature of As(s)us' and AS(s)Rock's control suites. A motherboard BIOS update followed by a clean Windows reinstall appears to be working for now, unfortunately at the expense of Asus AISuite no longer being functional. Fortunately, said BIOS update seems to have fixed the ability to set the fan curves to my liking there without needing to rely on software.

The 7800 XT runs extremely quiet, with probably the least amount of coil whine I've ever heard from a GPU that has similar or higher power draw. It passed the 3DMark stress test with flying colors, not exceeding 70C according to the software. I'll need to reinstall all my games, but so far so good.

As an added bonus, despite purchasing the GPU open box, I still got a code for a free copy of FarCry 7, aka Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora.

tps3443 · January 22

13 hours ago, Papusan said:

It's start to look disgusting. The whole GPU market is pure rotten.

Even though these designs are not official and shouldn’t be sold, these companies still manage to get lots of new GPUs without being punished by NVIDIA. The GPU maker appears unbothered by this business activity, and nothing has been done to prevent these Frankenstein’ed cards from appearing on the market.

it seems China can do whatever they want nowadays. Nvidia is just happy they can sell whatever chips to the Chinese market. China is 1/3 of the whole global chips market for Nvidia. And they need every damn sale after the U.S ban. Profits over everything. They can say they don't like it.... But they doin't care as long they can profit from it.

GeForce RTX 4080M and RTX 4090M now available in China as desktop GPUs
https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-4080m-and-rtx-4090m-now-available-in-china-as-desktop-gpus

It would be fun to cook a 4090M in a desktop though. Shunt mod, and cold water. And then go race some laptop guys and tell them you too have a “laptop” and it’s the fastest Dell you’d ever seen 😂😂😂

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