*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

On 4/10/2024 at 1:07 PM, Mr. Fox said:

This CPU might be ideal for the Munchkin PC's Z790i Edge with its pedestrian 360mm AIO and limited power phase capacity. I'm not pushing that past 8000 on the memory, so maybe the perfect match of CPU to system. On my benching rig I can just turn on the chiller and force more voltage down its throat to get it where I want it. That said, I am more impressed by the ITX system's abilities than I have been with the more costly builds. It's not equivalent, but better ratio of cost to benefit. Sometimes spending a lot more to get a little more is a tough pill to swallow even though doing more with MOAR is my favorite approach. Nobody likes getting screwed on overpriced products. The ROG Maximus mobos are a classic of example of paying a whole lot more and only getting a little more in return. You do get more, but it is not scaled against the price.

 

The beauty in ITX builds is it gives you somewhat of the challenge of tuning and/or overclocking a laptop but with real desktop components across the board.

 

Looking at some of the ITX builds Optimum puts out really shows you what you can cram into these small form factors and run full tilt 4090s and 13900k/7800X3D/7950X3D systems.

 

A lot starts with binned parts to get the best performance with CPU and GPU (in that order) leading the pack.

 

The 14900k you're using is the R batch from OCN I think. I was tempted to pick it up for Intel APO testing with WoW, but that price for its condition made it not worth it (delidded, lapped, dinged on the PCB, SA bug) to me. I would have topped out at $450 shipped for it but luckily you snagged it so we can see it in action.

[Clamibot]

On 4/9/2024 at 1:08 PM, Papusan said:

Here's more disgusting from intel. SP99 (115+69) MC 81. Just as expected. Batch# X346P377T 🤮🤢🤮 For the time I'm still not in good shape but this doesn't make my mood better. This is just sad.

 

And this defective KS fits correctly where it should. 

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/overclocking-raptor-lake-refresh-14900k-14700k-14600k-etc-results-bins-and-discussion.1807439/post-29317725

 

This is where Intel should put their new binned KS chips. Should never ever have been shipped out from Intel factories. 

 SP 136? I'd love to have one of those.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

The beauty in ITX builds is it gives you somewhat of the challenge of tuning and/or overclocking a laptop but with real desktop components across the board.

 

Looking at some of the ITX builds Optimum puts out really shows you what you can cram into these small form factors and run full tilt 4090s and 13900k/7800X3D/7950X3D systems.

 

A lot starts with binned parts to get the best performance with CPU and GPU (in that order) leading the pack.

 

The 14900k you're using is the R batch from OCN I think. I was tempted to pick it up for Intel APO testing with WoW, but that price for its condition made it not worth it (delidded, lapped, dinged on the PCB, SA bug) to me. I would have topped out at $450 shipped for it but luckily you snagged it so we can see it in action.

Yes, I have two 14900KF R-batch CPUs. The first from snakeeyes111 and this one from Andy1981. Both from Germany. Seems like the Germans get most of the good silicon samples for some reason.

 

The nick in the PCB doesn't break the surface and I think he mentioned it in the spirit of full honesty and disclosure, but after receiving it I would consider it inconsequential and is hard to even see looking at it. (I was intitally a bit apprehensive for the same reason you were.) Had he not mentioned it, I am not sure I would have even noticed it. It's that minor. I am glad it is already delidded. Since I am running it bare die one less hassle and I don't have to use any of my QuickSilver. If I put it in the ITX system I am going to order the CR360 bare die AIO to replace the CR360 Dark AIO.

 

I have to be honest in that I am very impressed by that little Munchkin PC. It perfoms far better than I would have imagined considering its size and low phase count. It wouldn't be ideal as a benching rig, but for anything else it is very good. It does everything I hoped it would, and more, extremely well. Being bigger and having more robust power handling capabilities wouldn't provide any advantage with an AIO cooling solution.

[Papusan]

22 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

 SP 136? I'd love to have one of those.

Only the elite/fab clockers will get those. Hand picked by Intel then further binned in the OEM factories. You may find one if you buy 1000 pieces from an certain good batch🙂 

[Raiderman]

@electrosofthttps://us.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-X670E-CARBON-WIFI/support

04/11/2024

AGESA Patch A updated?

Was hoping for Zen 5 support

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

@electrosofthttps://us.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-X670E-CARBON-WIFI/support

04/11/2024

AGESA Patch A updated?

Was hoping for Zen 5 support

 

Cryptic MSI as always. 🙂

 

We know it's coming though and as usual, Asus is a step ahead on BIOS updates overall.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Raiderman said:

@electrosofthttps://us.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-X670E-CARBON-WIFI/support

04/11/2024

AGESA Patch A updated?

Was hoping for Zen 5 support

What features is that one adding? I did not see any release notes.

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Cryptic MSI as always. 🙂

 

We know it's coming though and as usual, Asus is a step ahead on BIOS updates overall.

 

 

Maybe it's foolish to assume there's actually a meaningful reason behind it, but perhaps MSI is being smart by deciding it's better to let ASUS and their zombie hurry-up-and-flash-it fanbois sheeple herd to be the guinea pigs when new firmware is released. Sometimes not being first at something can actually make you the winner.

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

What features is that one adding? I did not see any release notes.

 

Maybe it's foolish to assume there's actually a meaningful reason behind it, but perhaps MSI is being smart by deciding it's better to let ASUS and their zombie hurry-up-and-flash-it fanbois sheeple herd to be the guinea pigs when new firmware is released. Sometimes not being first at something can actually make you the winner.

 

None. He hoped for Zen 5 support. And the new chips ain't out. All he get is security fix to protect the BIOS from LogoFAIL. Isn't it nice? No one of the MB manufacturers bother with release notes. Too much work. Same way as Asus do it.  The only one that get real release notes is the fab clockers good compadres (best friends) so they can avoid ruin their fully working systems. Just make same bios version but tweak it (make changes) for their likings. The vanilla users need to accept broken systems.

AMD motherboard partners start rolling out BIOS updates

 

As you can see... Intel did the same with Intel ME Version 16.1.30.2307. In short.... People thought this ME version "was needed" for the latest refreshed processors. No processor need security fixes to be able to work as intended. And now Asus force on you ME firmware that's not needed if you want to try their new beta/official bios versions. Isn't that nice?🤮🤮🤮

[Raiderman]

On a different note, I am not sure what to do about Windows 10 ending next year. I have the same feeling in my stomach when I was eventually forced to Windows 10. I did not want to give up my beloved 7. Now that I have 10 in a state where I can use it without a bit of vomit in my mouth, they want to force everyone to 11.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

On a different note, I am not sure what to do about Windows 10 ending next year. I have the same feeling in my stomach when I was eventually forced to Windows 10. I did not want to give up my beloved 7. Now that I have 10 in a state where I can use it without a bit of vomit in my mouth, they want to force everyone to 11.

Just keep using it anyway? As long as you can get drivers, who cares if Micro$lop Mafia supports it? I don't want their support and don't care if they provide any as long as I can get device drivers. It's not important. Drivers, of course, are.

 

The day will come that Linux is the only acceptable solution. It is already a better product and has been since the Mafia's criminal interference with driver development for Windows 7 began. If not for the lack of excellent software, I would have nothing to Linux installed on everything. Since it looks like I am on the path of likely abandonment of benching as a hobby, ditching them will become even eaiser.

 

I cannot find anything nice to say about Micro$lop and I no longer look for an opportunity to find something. They don't deserve recognition for anything. There are few companies that I wish bad things for, but they are on my short list. And, the things I wish for them are extremely unfortunate and tragic. Hard to believe I once adored them and hoped to one day work for them. Now I wouldn't touch an opportunity to work there with a 10-foot pole. It would be like working for the Church of Satan.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

On a different note, I am not sure what to do about Windows 10 ending next year. I have the same feeling in my stomach when I was eventually forced to Windows 10. I did not want to give up my beloved 7. Now that I have 10 in a state where I can use it without a bit of vomit in my mouth, they want to force everyone to 11.

 

You may have to pay for the offered extended periode (at least for corparate). But who knows if you can get free patches elsewhere. Some will be able to offer it for free. Remember almost 68% of the pc users run older Windows 10. And Microsoft won't be able to push all those over on Windows 11 within the EOL date for Win 10. 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

You may have to pay for the offered extended periode (at least for corparate). But who knows if you can get free patches elsewhere. Some will be able to offer it for free. Remember almost 68% of the pc users run older Windows 10. And Microsoft won't be able to push all those over on Windows 11 within the EOL date for Win 10. 

Why bother with patches? All they do is hinder performance and provide a placebo for people obsessed with fear that the boogie man is coming for them. Best to disable updates and not allow the idiots at Micro$oft to screw with your system. 

[jaybee83]

21 hours ago, Raiderman said:

@electrosofthttps://us.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-X670E-CARBON-WIFI/support

04/11/2024

AGESA Patch A updated?

Was hoping for Zen 5 support

 

be patient my young AM5 padawan 😄 Zen 5 support is only preliminary anyways, so there will be additional versions coming for sure.

 

18 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Cryptic MSI as always. 🙂

 

We know it's coming though and as usual, Asus is a step ahead on BIOS updates overall.

 

 

 

15 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

What features is that one adding? I did not see any release notes.

Maybe it's foolish to assume there's actually a meaningful reason behind it, but perhaps MSI is being smart by deciding it's better to let ASUS and their zombie hurry-up-and-flash-it fanbois sheeple herd to be the guinea pigs when new firmware is released. Sometimes not being first at something can actually make you the winner.

 

haha agreed on this. although happy to see Asus is fast, the available bios versions thus far are just inofficial test / beta versions. collecting them diligently but not flashing everything right away. gotta pick and choose carefully since i dont have as much tuning freetime as i used to have. baby girl and wife keeping me busy 😄

 

on another note, started playing Alan Wake II and DAMN. completely maxed out with pathtracing at 4K im getting 50-55 fps best case with occasional dips into the 30s with my 4090 overclocked to the max. completely insane!

first time ever im switching to DLSS Quality to at least get 60-80 fps... the 5090 cant come fast enough if u ask me 😛

however, the game also looks absolutely stunning. talk about photorealistic graphics...basically another crysis.

[Papusan]

 

Intel may bet on removing HT from their next gen processors aka going from 32 down to 24 threads for their flagship mainstream hybrid processors. Aka maxing out at 8P and 16E-cores. Amd on the other hand seems to increase core counts from 16 to 32 cores. Hmm, I hope Intel really know what they're doing. It will be a ugly mess if Intel going backwards into the future. It will be all too late fix this if they doing the same as they did with 12th up to 13th gen going (from 24 up to 32 threads with more E-cores) the year after. But heey, Intel will offer e LP-cores (or more precisely, the low-power island in the SoC tile). Do you like stupidity @Mr. Fox? A huge flood of new low powered baby cores that will come in two variants isn't exactly tempting🤮🤢🤮

 

Intel still need the damn E-cores because they want being the clock speed king for the measly 8 P-cores in games/web surfing. Adding more p-cores will only shoot the power consumption through the roof. Hence Intel still need loads of low power baby cores to boost the multi threaded performance to try compete. 

 

 

The most noteworthy addition from Zen 5 leaks is that AMD purportedly doubled the CCD core count from 16 to 32. If this is true, it will represent the first core-count improvement since Zen 2 and means we could see 32-core Zen 5 CPUs on the AM5 platform.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/vendor-readies-amd-motherboards-for-zen-5-cpus

 

Intel Core Ultra “Arrow Lake” desktop CPUs with 20 and 24 cores spotted with no hyperthreading
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-ultra-arrow-lake-desktop-cpus-with-20-and-24-cores-spotted-with-no-hyperthreading

 

On 4/12/2024 at 11:42 PM, Raiderman said:

@electrosofthttps://us.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-X670E-CARBON-WIFI/support

04/11/2024

AGESA Patch A updated?

Was hoping for Zen 5 support

22 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Cryptic MSI as always. 🙂

 

MSI confirms new AGESA supports next-gen AMD Ryzen 9000 CPUs
https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-confirms-new-agesa-supports-next-gen-amd-ryzen-9000-cpus

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I cannot find anything nice to say about Micro$lop and I no longer look for an opportunity to find something. They don't deserve recognition for anything. There are few companies that I wish bad things for, but they are on my short list. And, the things I wish for them are extremely unfortunate and tragic.

 

Stupidity and greed goes hand in hand☹️

 

Here's why Apple thinks 8GB of RAM is enough in its latest Macs

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/97558/heres-why-apple-thinks-8gb-of-ram-is-enough-in-its-latest-macs/index.html

 

Apple has now suggested that there is a very good reason these Macs come with just 8GB of RAM - that's all that people really need.

 

Mac marketing executive Evan Buyze argued that the entry-level 8GB of RAM in iMacs and MacBook Airs is plenty for most tasks and most users. 

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Intel may bet on removing HT from their next gen processors aka going from 32 down to 24 threads for their flagship mainstream hybrid processors. Aka maxing out at 8P and 16E-cores. Amd on the other hand seems to increase core counts from 16 to 32 cores. Hmm, I hope Intel really know what they're doing. It will be a ugly mess if Intel going backwards into the future. It will be all too late fix this if they doing the same as they did with 12th up to 13th gen going (from 24 up to 32 threads with more E-cores) the year after. But heey, Intel will offer e LP-cores (or more precisely, the low-power island in the SoC tile). Do you like stupidity @Mr. Fox? A huge flood of new low powered baby cores that will come in two variants isn't exactly tempting🤮🤢🤮

 

Intel still need the damn E-cores because they want being the clock speed king for the measly 8 P-cores in games/web surfing. Adding more p-cores will only shoot the power consumption through the roof. Hence Intel still need loads of low power baby cores to boost the multi threaded performance to try compete. 

 

 

The most noteworthy addition from Zen 5 leaks is that AMD purportedly doubled the CCD core count from 16 to 32. If this is true, it will represent the first core-count improvement since Zen 2 and means we could see 32-core Zen 5 CPUs on the AM5 platform.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/vendor-readies-amd-motherboards-for-zen-5-cpus

 

Intel Core Ultra “Arrow Lake” desktop CPUs with 20 and 24 cores spotted with no hyperthreading
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-ultra-arrow-lake-desktop-cpus-with-20-and-24-cores-spotted-with-no-hyperthreading

 

 

MSI confirms new AGESA supports next-gen AMD Ryzen 9000 CPUs
https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-confirms-new-agesa-supports-next-gen-amd-ryzen-9000-cpus

 

afaik intel is readying a new tech that will replace hyperthreading, what was it called again? ah yes, "rentable units":

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/318127/intel-15th-generation-arrow-lake-s-could-abandon-hyper-threading-technology#:~:text=Rentable Units are a more,different cores based on complexity.

 

so basically, they still do multi-threaded workloads but not via hyper-threading as we know it. so its not like intel plans to suddenly lose 20+% perf.  by cutting of hyperthreading. 

 

as for Zen 5, i dont think we will see 32 cores, unless AMD decides to go all in with the smaller Zen 5c cores. wouldnt make sense tho. id say mmaybe 24 cores max, with one CCD sporting 8 full fat Zen5 cores and the second CCD 16 Zen5c cores...

[Papusan]

20 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

afaik intel is readying a new tech that will replace hyperthreading, what was it called again? ah yes, "rentable units":

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/318127/intel-15th-generation-arrow-lake-s-could-abandon-hyper-threading-technology#:~:text=Rentable Units are a more,different cores based on complexity.

 

so basically, they still do multi-threaded workloads but not via hyper-threading as we know it. so its not like intel plans to suddenly lose 20+% perf.  by cutting of hyperthreading. 

 

as for Zen 5, i dont think we will see 32 cores, unless AMD decides to go all in with the smaller Zen 5c cores. wouldnt make sense tho. id say mmaybe 24 cores max, with one CCD sporting 8 full fat Zen5 cores and the second CCD 16 Zen5c cores...

 

Nice. More hybrid tech trash that will halfway fail and on top will offer higher latency. Remember the feature APO Intel introduced for 14th gen for a very few games? Intel and Microsoft in coparation can't even make the scheduler work correct in the OS. Hmm, this doesn't look very promising🤮🤮🤮 But probably good enough for Jokeboks to reduce the power consumption and boost burst performance on a couple of cores for brief moments. And we all know Microsoft play with the power scheme for hybrid processors in their latest and flawed Windows. To match own low power Junk.

 

In short... Not sure 15th gen hybrid mess will be much better than the trashbin Intel offered for the end of socket 1700. The  14th gen KS should've never have been launched. Bin it 1.5v for the two cores to be able to spike to 6.2GHz for burst loads is just embarrassing.

 

Here's delidded KS junk from Intel running 100C stock with 360mm AIO's. The 14h KS should never have seen the light. Just a money grab over the vanilla K.

 

[Reciever]

Moved my ITX system on to the ATX open air bench, tomorrow I plan to test out an NVME to PCIE adapter I purchased a little while back. I was able to formally attach it to the open bench. Its also nice to be back on the 1300w PSU and get rid of the 2 PSU solution I was using before.

[kojack]

4 hours ago, Reciever said:

Moved my ITX system on to the ATX open air bench, tomorrow I plan to test out an NVME to PCIE adapter I purchased a little while back. I was able to formally attach it to the open bench. Its also nice to be back on the 1300w PSU and get rid of the 2 PSU solution I was using before.

Still can't get mine to recognise the drive in TrueNAS. All is not lost however, as there may be a setting I am missing. I never had much time to dive into it.  Been busy as.....

[Reciever]

10 hours ago, kojack said:

Still can't get mine to recognise the drive in TrueNAS. All is not lost however, as there may be a setting I am missing. I never had much time to dive into it.  Been busy as.....

Well I would update that thread :) I know some people have been waiting on your response there.

[kojack]

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

Well I would update that thread 🙂 I know some people have been waiting on your response there.

😆

[Papusan]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5536171_papusan_7_zip_core_i9_14900ks_252382_mips/

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5536180_papusan_geekbench3___multi_core_core_i9_14900ks_130152_points/

[Mr. Fox]

Well, I put that 14900KF that I recently bought with the excellent SP ratings and SA bug into my mini-ITX Munchkin PC and it's doing quite nice. The only thing holding it back now is the 360 AIO. It can't cool more than 57x all P-core and 46x all E-core effectively even after a delid. I ordered an EK CR360 Direct Die AIO to replace this CR360 Dark AIO so we will see how that does when the IHS isn't holding it back. That won't be arriving until sometime in May (on backorder). I was able to get the memory overclock to 8200 with tight timings. Now I will start pushing the cache and see how much it can handle so I can pull that latency down. If it can manage 51x cache with the 1.130V VCCSA that should bring it down to around 51 ns. I'm getting better results with this little guy, in spite of its thermal and power handling limitations, than some folks are getting with a much larger and more robust platform.
 

I put my Byski RAM jackets on the G.SKILL 8000 and my generic aluminum heat sink strips screwed to the top of them with a Corsair RAM fan blowing on that and now I can finish long memory stability tests without the memory overheating like it does with the crappy stock heating blankets.
 

I just played a little over an hour of MWIII and with enjoyed ~150 FPS with maxed out settings at 1440p using the ARC A770.

 

 

[ryan]

can recreate 9700-9900 with timespy using windows 11. best scores iv'e ever been able to get. Im not sure if its the fastest omen 16 with 11800h or any cpu for that matter but im happy with the results. using the laptop as a laptop at 1080p im getting over 60 in most new games and high 120 framerates in slightly older games

 

 

even better

[Papusan]

12 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The only thing holding it back now is the 360 AIO. It can't cool more than 57x all P-core and 46x all E-core effectively even after a delid.

 

You are doing it wrong bro Fox. Send your pc over to the stupid below and he will help you for free🤣 But please ask him to oc the E-cores. In short... He tried go for 6.0GHz but failed. And this with E-cores at stock clocks, JEDEC, custom cooling (DD) and 94C with his dialed/tuned in Cpu. Then see his video bashing Jufes below. Youtube channel name is John D. Does it stands for John Dumb?😕

 

 

LOOOOL. Jufes at FrameChasers like to bash the other tech Tubers. Here's one that go to opposite way and bash Rufes himself, HaHa

 

But stupidity is the new normal. He here didn't understand the meaning with the video from Rufes. Testing the Cpu with stock config. No one talked about tuning in the Cpu to be able to use the AIO coolers. Hmmm.......

 

 

 

What a bashing contest YouTube has become. Not sure who's worse than the other on YouTube. Better say they all are equal good or 0-0 😂