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1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

haha that last pic is american suburbia at its finest 😄 

I can't imagine anything better. 🙂 The thought of living in a congested, dirty, crime-ridden, in-your-face, big city environment is repulsive to me. The suburban life isn't as desirable as rural living or going off-the-grid, but it's the best that most can afford and the closest to it that most of us will know. I also like being surrounded by like-minded people with similar values and not having to tolerate weirdos that demand special treatment and accommodations for being eccentric. I have everything I need for day-to-day living within a very small radius and have no desire to venture beyond that zone unless I have a very specific reason to that provides a direct benefit to me.

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4 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Lovely view of the country area. Thanks.

 

Here's my preferred USB thumbs. Now in 512GB capacity. I have several of them and they never fail on me. Big enough so I don't need to use glasses and they come in real metal body.

Samsung Introduces 512GB Capacity BAR Plus and FIT Plus USB Flash Drives

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 Today, 11:14
Samsung Electronics America, the leader in advanced memory technology, today announced a new 512 GB capacity for its BAR Plus and FIT Plus USB 3.2 Gen 1 Flash Drives. The newest drives introduce more storage capacity to the lineup.
 
The 512 GB options offer read speeds of up to 400 MB/s and write speeds up to 110 MB/s to ensure quick data transfers. With both USB flash drives, you can transfer a 3 GB 4K UHD video file to your PC in 10 seconds. Plus, it's extremely versatile thanks to its compatibility with any device that uses a USB 3.1 port, and it's also backward compatible with USB 3.0 and USB 2.0. For easy use, they are compatible with operating systems like Windows, Mac OS, and Linux.

 

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I got one of those for my brother who works with IBM power systems and needs fast reliable copies of the firmware for systems off the net and it works very well.

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4 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Lovely view of the country area. Thanks.

 

Here's my preferred USB thumbs. Now in 512GB capacity. I have several of them and they never fail on me. Big enough so I don't need to use glasses and they come in real metal body.

Samsung Introduces 512GB Capacity BAR Plus and FIT Plus USB Flash Drives

PRESS RELEASE 
 
 Today, 11:14
Samsung Electronics America, the leader in advanced memory technology, today announced a new 512 GB capacity for its BAR Plus and FIT Plus USB 3.2 Gen 1 Flash Drives. The newest drives introduce more storage capacity to the lineup.
 
The 512 GB options offer read speeds of up to 400 MB/s and write speeds up to 110 MB/s to ensure quick data transfers. With both USB flash drives, you can transfer a 3 GB 4K UHD video file to your PC in 10 seconds. Plus, it's extremely versatile thanks to its compatibility with any device that uses a USB 3.1 port, and it's also backward compatible with USB 3.0 and USB 2.0. For easy use, they are compatible with operating systems like Windows, Mac OS, and Linux.

 

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33 minutes ago, Meaker said:

 

I got one of those for my brother who works with IBM power systems and needs fast reliable copies of the firmware for systems off the net and it works very well.

 

that reminds me, might soon be time to upgrade my DIY USB stick from 1TB to 2TB. gotta love those tiny enclosures that take M.2 SSDs in 2242 and 2230 sizes 🙂 

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15 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

 

that reminds me, might soon be time to upgrade my DIY USB stick from 1TB to 2TB. gotta love those tiny enclosures that take M.2 SSDs in 2242 and 2230 sizes 🙂 

What throughput do the usb controllers get?

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8 hours ago, Raiderman said:

 

Oh, kicking Intel while they're down if all reports are accurate on Zen5 performance.... sooner than later works for me but the 9950X would have to game as fast if not faster than the 7800X3D (I basically turn off CCD1 when gaming turning my 7950X3D into a super binned 7800X3D).

 

 

 

5 hours ago, cylix said:

 

@electrosoft Damn amazon did a very good job with the Fallout Show, is top notch and baited me with the free Fallout 76 game.. It got me hooked 🤣. I am lvl 43. See ya in the Wasteland 😁

 

Welcome to Appalachia  brother. 🙂

 

You are literally running the best hardware for FO76 (X3D and 4090). Make sure to mod your FO76Prefs file to turn off Vsync so you can get all the fps you are entitled to.

 

Local disk->Users->Your_Name->OneDrive->Documents->MyGames->Fallout 76

 

Fallout76Prefs.cfg

 

Open with notepad and change iPresentInterval=0 to iPresentInterval=1

 

 

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Oh, kicking Intel while they're down if all reports are accurate on Zen5 performance.... sooner than later works for me but the 9950X would have to game as fast if not faster than the 7800X3D (I basically turn off CCD1 when gaming turning my 7950X3D into a super binned 7800X3D).

 

 

 

 

Welcome to Appalachia  brother. 🙂

 

You are literally running the best hardware for FO76 (X3D and 4090). Make sure to mod your FO76Prefs file to turn off Vsync so you can get all the fps you are entitled to.

 

Local disk->Users->Your_Name->OneDrive->Documents->MyGames->Fallout 76

 

Fallout76Prefs.cfg

 

Open with notepad and change iPresentInterval=0 to iPresentInterval=1

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thx ill do that , i also modded resolution, it doesnt know about ultrawide but i found on nexus a mod do add the 5120x1440 res :D. There is a lot to do in the game, it can suck you for hours. I hated the game at the beginning because of the lack of content and bugs. Now its enjoyable but those Bethseda bugs are still around 🤣

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3080 arrived at the us depot and is now on the way to me in the UK.

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3 hours ago, Meaker said:

3080 arrived at the us depot and is now on the way to me in the UK.

Whenever you have time, would love to see some photos of your setup.

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On 4/11/2024 at 1:11 PM, Talon said:

 

I dunno, those guys clearly have no idea what they're doing. 

 

Running Intel Fail Safe makes absolutely no sense. It shouldn't even exist in the menu. As it reads, that setting follows an absolute fail safe voltage guidance that is likely when using an Intel Reference Motherboard for testing/design. The VRM and electrical layout of that board is not going to be anywhere near as robust or capable as the Apex board they were using. They are shoving a ton of voltage and current through the chip, something the reference board is very likely not capable of supplying in the same capacity due to the VRM design. 

 

All they have to do is set Auto, XMP I, set 253w for long/short power, and limit the board to around 400a and the chip would have been running far cooler and stable. If this config is not stable, then it's time for an RMA as the chip is not able to run at SPEC. Simple as that.

 

Unfortunately, they are spreading FUD, they are giving out terrible advice, and perpetuating and furthering ignorance in the community. Simple as that. 

 

I blame the motherboard vendors. They should be setting Intel spec limits by default and forcing you to bypass them on your own afterwards. Asus does in fact as this question upon any CPU swap on FIRST boot. It will ask you if you want Intel limits or Asus optimized. Almost everyone selects Asus limits which remove all limits. Intel should force the vendors to enable stock limits, and then let those that want, bypass them. 

 

What a fix, LOOL

 

For those chips, the adjustment to get them running is to down clock the P-core multiplier to 50, which reduces the chips maximum clock speed to 5GHz–a fairly major reduction. While that’s not much of a salve, it does at least get those systems up and running.

 

PC maker offers a potential fix for crashing Intel CPUs

While Intel continues to investigate sporadic stability issues with its 14th gen and 13th gen, famed PC maker Falcon Northwest is offering stopgap advice for some.

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8 hours ago, cylix said:

Thx ill do that , i also modded resolution, it doesnt know about ultrawide but i found on nexus a mod do add the 5120x1440 res :D. There is a lot to do in the game, it can suck you for hours. I hated the game at the beginning because of the lack of content and bugs. Now its enjoyable but those Bethseda bugs are still around 🤣

 

Good 'ole Nexus. I had to run the same mod when I was using an LG 49WQ95C-W 49" 5120x1440 display for 4-5 months back in 2022->2023 before switching back to a Samsung 43" Odyssey Neo G7 for the last year.

 

I'm going to downsize real estate wise and I have a Alienware  AW3225QF coming in a few weeks. This *should* be end game for gaming for me but we'll see. I've never used an OLED for my desktop.

 

And yep, the same bugs still persist especially the "look away and back" to get an NPC to interract or be able to loot everything. Those were in Fallout 4 too with the creation engine.

 

There is a crapton of stuff to do in the game and luckily at this stage (just like for me sans AC expansion) all the previous Xpacs and refinements (QOL) are there versus launch which was just a disaster. It really feels like a much more polished product. Wait till you start trying to craft perfect legendaries and watch all your mats you gathered over weeks (or months) go bye bye in the matter of a few days.....good times ahead!

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

What a fix, LOOL

 

For those chips, the adjustment to get them running is to down clock the P-core multiplier to 50, which reduces the chips maximum clock speed to 5GHz–a fairly major reduction. While that’s not much of a salve, it does at least get those systems up and running.

 

PC maker offers a potential fix for crashing Intel CPUs

While Intel continues to investigate sporadic stability issues with its 14th gen and 13th gen, famed PC maker Falcon Northwest is offering stopgap advice for some.

I haven't seen any of the issues they claim need fixing, but I'm also not trying to use automatic or AI-managed settings or struggling with mediocre thermal management solutions. It is interesting that there is "all of a sudden" a new problem almost overnight that has surfaced, and the only "new" thing is low quality 14900KS silicon samples.

 

Perhaps part of the issue is a lot of gamers are inexperienced noobs and recently converted console jockeys that don't know how to tune a stable system and that is causing the problems with things like shaders loading causing a crash. If they're trying overly aggressive undervolting in a feeble effort to control temperatures with a mickey mouse cooling solution that is going to cause problems.

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On 4/17/2024 at 5:23 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Here is what it looks like where I live if you can find a place that is not under construction.

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The winter is soon gone. We can still expect snow coming on and of the next 30 days. After May 17 we can expect that the winter is gone and no more snow. 12C today when the weather is shiny (sunny day). The Little thief enjoy the last bit of snow 🙂

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And here you can see the first flowers popping up  from the ground. We call it Leirfivel here at home (Hestehov). It is the first sign that winter is turning into summer. Because the spring here home is more like a warmer version of winter. Only May can be called real spring month. April can be from minus 5C and up to 15C. 

 

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1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Perhaps part of the issue is a lot of gamers are inexperienced noobs and recently converted console jockeys that don't know how to tune a stable system and that is causing the problems with things like shaders loading causing a crash. If they're trying overly aggressive undervolting in a feeble effort to control temperatures with a mickey mouse cooling solution that is going to cause problems.

 

With all trash bin from Intel and with not the best cooling and run the chips at stock MB settings no wonder people get problems. All this is on Intel and the MB makers. Even noobs should be able to run their processors at somewhat stock settings without crashes. The Cpu shouldn't crash because you increase power limits and amps with stock boost from the chips. Remember Cpu's run 100C all times in Jokebooks. No chips shoud crash with default boost clocks.

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3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Whenever you have time, would love to see some photos of your setup.

 

Here you go please don't mind the mess lol. The laptop hides most of everything to be honest. The screen has a kvm built in so I can switch between the work laptop and my own.

 

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You can see the GS30 still hiding behind it:

 

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3 hours ago, Meaker said:

 

Here you go please don't mind the mess lol. The laptop hides most of everything to be honest. The screen has a kvm built in so I can switch between the work laptop and my own.

 

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You can see the GS30 still hiding behind it:

 

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Awesome. Thank you. 🙂 Looks like a sweet setup.

  

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I haven't seen any of the issues they claim need fixing, but I'm also not trying to use automatic or AI-managed settings or struggling with mediocre thermal management solutions. It is interesting that there is "all of a sudden" a new problem almost overnight that has surfaced, and the only "new" thing is low quality 14900KS silicon samples.

 

Perhaps part of the issue is a lot of gamers are inexperienced noobs and recently converted console jockeys that don't know how to tune a stable system and that is causing the problems with things like shaders loading causing a crash. If they're trying overly aggressive undervolting in a feeble effort to control temperatures with a mickey mouse cooling solution that is going to cause problems.

 

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

With all trash bin from Intel and with not the best cooling and run the chips at stock MB settings no wonder people get problems. All this is on Intel and the MB makers. Even noobs should be able to run their processors at somewhat stock settings without crashes. The Cpu shouldn't crash because you increase power limits and amps with stock boost from the chips. Remember Cpu's run 100C all times in Jokebooks. No chips shoud crash with default boost clocks.

That is true, but to some degree it might not be a real problem, or not as widespread as the clickbait tech news is suggesting if there are circumstances that it is be being caused by a lack of knowledge and inexperience with noobs trying to use wrong settings and undervolting to a stupid degree, etc. And, we know for sure that happens. Undervolting has become very popular, and if it is not done correctly and people try to apply a cookie cutter approach because their friends on Facebook said to do it, that just makes a mess of things.

 

I agree it should never be happening running BIOS defaults. It is does, then either the firmware is goofed up or something is wrong with the CPU.

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22 hours ago, Meaker said:

What throughput do the usb controllers get?

 

highest real-world ive seen was 1009 MB/s, so the controller is specced for USB 3.2 10 Gbps. internal connection is for M.2 pcie 3.0 x4. 

 

20 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Oh, kicking Intel while they're down if all reports are accurate on Zen5 performance.... sooner than later works for me but the 9950X would have to game as fast if not faster than the 7800X3D (I basically turn off CCD1 when gaming turning my 7950X3D into a super binned 7800X3D).

 

i would be careful of those "40%+" claims currently floating around for Zen 5. Id rather expect somewhere in the range of 20+%, still nice bump though! at that bump, the regular 9950X would be roughly equivalent in games to the 7800X3D / 7950X3D, with the subsequent Zen 5 X3D skus likely being more performant as per usual.

ill likely just get the regular SKU, especially if its released months ahead of the X3D versions. at 4K maxxed out im gaming 100% gpu bound anyways, so X3D cpus wouldnt have any performance advantage anyways.

 

heck, currently in Alan Wake 2 i am SO gpu bound, that forcing my 7950X to its lowest clocks (sub 3 Ghz) with core parking enabled does NOT change the fps AT ALL when comparing to its max boost config 😄 cpu twiddling its thumbs while waiting on the GPU to plow through the monstrous amounts of data haha.

 

11 hours ago, Meaker said:

3080 arrived at the us depot and is now on the way to me in the UK.

 

edit: forgot to say - keep us updated on this! pics of the card, specs, planned mods, benchmark results with power data at stock and modded / oced!

 

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2 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

highest real-world ive seen was 1009 MB/s, so the controller is specced for USB 3.2 10 Gbps. internal connection is for M.2 pcie 3.0 x4. 

 

 

 

This has been my experience as well but at about 950MB/s over TB3 and USB 3.2 Gen2 on a laptop from NVME to NVME.

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3 hours ago, Papusan said:

With all trash bin from Intel and with not the best cooling and run the chips at stock MB settings no wonder people get problems. All this is on Intel and the MB makers. Even noobs should be able to run their processors at somewhat stock settings without crashes. The Cpu shouldn't crash because you increase power limits and amps with stock boost from the chips. Remember Cpu's run 100C all times in Jokebooks. No chips shoud crash with default boost clocks.

 

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That is true, but to some degree it might not be a real problem, or not as widespread as the clickbait tech news is suggesting if there are circumstances that it is be being caused by a lack of knowledge and inexperience with noobs trying to use wrong settings and undervolting to a stupid degree, etc. And, we know for sure that happens. Undervolting has become very popular, and if it is not done correctly and people try to apply a cookie cutter approach because their friends on Facebook said to do it, that just makes a mess of things.

 

I agree it should never be happening running BIOS defaults. It is does, then either the firmware is goofed up or something is wrong with the CPU.

Another thought that comes to mind since my last comments...

 

The other thing we really don't know about this perceived issue is how many of these "problem units" are because silly kids are trying to use tower air coolers, especially cheap trash budget coolers from Amazon and AliExpress, with a 32 core CPU trying to boost itself to 6.0+ GHz with 1.500V and 400W. I see photos all the time in places like Facepoot Marketplace with "high end gaming PC" in the listing title with one of these i9 CPUs tucked underneath an air cooler and chuckle to myself about what kind of crazy person expects to cool 400W with a cooler rated for 250W or less. Crashing should not cause anyone to have a surprised look on their face.

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highest real-world ive seen was 1009 MB/s, so the controller is specced for USB 3.2 10 Gbps. internal connection is for M.2 pcie 3.0 x4. 

 

 

i would be careful of those "40%+" claims currently floating around for Zen 5. Id rather expect somewhere in the range of 20+%, still nice bump though! at that bump, the regular 9950X would be roughly equivalent in games to the 7800X3D / 7950X3D, with the subsequent Zen 5 X3D skus likely being more performant as per usual.

ill likely just get the regular SKU, especially if its released months ahead of the X3D versions. at 4K maxxed out im gaming 100% gpu bound anyways, so X3D cpus wouldnt have any performance advantage anyways.

 

heck, currently in Alan Wake 2 i am SO gpu bound, that forcing my 7950X to its lowest clocks (sub 3 Ghz) with core parking enabled does NOT change the fps AT ALL when comparing to its max boost config 😄 cpu twiddling its thumbs while waiting on the GPU to plow through the monstrous amounts of data haha.

 

 

 

 

I never thought it would be 40%. 🙂 I expect ~15-20%. Any claims to 40% will be some targeted, outlier test that AMD will parade during launch.

 

If the 9950x is on par with the 7800X3D for gaming, I will definitely wait for the 9950X3D. There's no reason for me to upgrade for my D2D case usage considering my "real work" is on a Macbook Pro M2.

 

And yep, your games will determine if it is worth it or not regarding 4k GPU load. So far, every upgrade I've had CPU wise has resulted in performance uplifts with WoW and FO76 and the 4090 is not contained yet but getting closer. Of course the 5090 will drop and be bottlenecked even more by current CPUs....

 

 

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Another thought that comes to mind since my last comments... The other thing we really don't know about this perceived issue is how many of these "problem units" are because silly kids are trying to use tower air coolers, especially cheap trash budget coolers from Amazon and AliExpress, with a 32 core CPU trying to boost itself to 6.0+ GHz with 1.500V and 400W. I see photos all the time in places like Facepoot Marketplace with "high end gaming PC" in the listing title with one of these i9 CPUs tucked underneath an air cooler and chuckle to myself about what kind of crazy person expects to cool 400W with a cooler rated for 250W or less. Crashing should not cause anyone to have a surprised look on their face.

 

There is people that want to cram in +4080 and i9 in the small cute Mini-boxes. They are very popular because of the small size. Often they have only 240 or 280mm AIO. That won't function properly with the unlocked Cpu's. See also here.... Intel Core i9-14900KS Review

 

It was in our first real performance test, with Maxon's Cinebench R23, that some problems started to emerge. On the tests with the 240mm cooler, the Core i9-14900KS doesn’t lack a multi-threaded score in the chart below by mistake, but because the system repeatedly crashed while trying to run this test. As this demanding test (which pushes all available cores) wore on, the processor reached 100 degrees C, its thermal limit, at which point a processor should throttle itself back to avoid overheating.

 

In short... The Cpu does not react fast enough to throttle down the clock and voltage. It will instead crash because the heat come too fast. Heat problems has to be one of  the main reason for all reported crashes. You get what you asked for. 

 

And regarding air coolers. They are still in majority. So I expect many use Tower aircloolers for their unlocked 13 and 14th gen chips. And everyone want that 6.0GHz boost on two cores. The bragging factor having worlds fastest in their blinking small cute trash-boxes trumps common sense.

 

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When people see such videos they think aircoolers is the only way to go. 

 

 

Edit. See also results from the Tower air cooler. On level with AIOs not made for the new Intel processors. In short... I expect many still use their old AIOs for the new gen Intel processors. Aka they run hotter than needed.

 

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1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

I never thought it would be 40%. 🙂 I expect ~15-20%. Any claims to 40% will be some targeted, outlier test that AMD will parade during launch.

 

If the 9950x is on par with the 7800X3D for gaming, I will definitely wait for the 9950X3D. There's no reason for me to upgrade for my D2D case usage considering my "real work" is on a Macbook Pro M2.

 

And yep, your games will determine if it is worth it or not regarding 4k GPU load. So far, every upgrade I've had CPU wise has resulted in performance uplifts with WoW and FO76 and the 4090 is not contained yet but getting closer. Of course the 5090 will drop and be bottlenecked even more by current CPUs....

 

word, ill be judging the Zen 5 cpus based on the expected +70-80% performance boost of the 5090 🙂 so at 4K max i still dont expect much, if any, X3D advantages.

 

the regular review sites cite roughly a +20% uplift going from the 7950X to 7800X3D / 7950X3D in games at 1080p. This advantage dwindles to like 5% at 4K with "high" settings. Set that to Ultra / Max, and those 5% go down even further. so id rather have max multicore performance whenever needed rather than getting 2-3% more fps at 4K 😄 

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word, ill be judging the Zen 5 cpus based on the expected +70-80% performance boost of the 5090 🙂 so at 4K max i still dont expect much, if any, X3D advantages.

 

the regular review sites cite roughly a +20% uplift going from the 7950X to 7800X3D / 7950X3D in games at 1080p. This advantage dwindles to like 5% at 4K with "high" settings. Set that to Ultra / Max, and those 5% go down even further. so id rather have max multicore performance whenever needed rather than getting 2-3% more fps at 4K 😄 

 

It really comes down to the games played and with some newer titles being so graphically demanding, with a decent CPU the 4090 can hit a wall but that hasn't been the case with WoW and FO76 when stepping up from the 12900k -> 13900KS and 7800X3D saw tangible gains and GPU load finally moved into the 90s most times but still can't peg it except in spots here and there even at 4k. Starfield and Hogwarts definitely pegged around 98%+ at 4k though.

 

I'll have to get in there and toggle my CCDs with the 4090 to see the gains in my known benchmark runs in FO76 and WoW. Just like with the 5800X3D, I suspect with tuned ram, the non-X3D will pull closer to the X3D CCD but we will see.

 

I just flip CCD1 off and on as needed for gaming. It only takes a few minutes to load the profile and reboot. I'd rather do that than have Project Lasso still not prevent some drifts or gamebar nonsense.

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Buildzoid struggle with his tweaked EVGA GTX970. Yup, EVGA also went cheapo with this card. Exactly as they did with their GTX760. And here you see he look into my score with my GTX970🙂

 

 

HWBOT x265 Benchmark with 4K preset is quite harsh and have killed some older gen Cpu's in its lifespan. One of few benchmarks you don't run often if you want the Cpu to last 🙂

 

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