*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

The new gen hardcore gamers (those that learned computing and gaming via smartphones) has voted with their wallets.

It has become difficult to identify any area of life where being stupid and evil isn't normal. The human race has become largely reprobate. What a perfect time to put our trust in AI that has been programmed by degenerate reprobates. The growth and normalization of stupidity is a symptom of being fundamentally corrupt, self-centered and irrational.

[Papusan]

Good luck put in the faster Gen 5 drives if you want them to perform as expected in Jokebooks. 

[electrosoft]

19 hours ago, Talon said:

 

I actually have every intention of getting an X870E board and X3D when it drops. I want to compare myself. Looks like I'll be waiting a bit for those, the non X3D parts just do no interest me given they seem to be nothing really new in terms of gaming performance. And I definitely won't be buying an X670E for the price of the new shiny they're holding back. 

 

This is the way brother. 🙂

 

After the wife getting her own PC during the pandemic, building the secondary PC for my daughter to use and having my workbench case always at the ready for testing, I can't see not having multiple PCs going at all times now and all really at the ready test beds where gear and equipment will sometimes filter down.

 

I love comparing myself along with reading everybody else's results. I always test bone stock everything and then start to tweak and OC while testing along the way to get a clear picture....oh and it's fun!

 

 

[Rage Set]

On 6/12/2024 at 5:37 PM, GIGABYTE Enjoyer said:

Hello! My name is Justin, I wanted to get started over clocking and I just did my first CINEBENCH R23 test.

I have a AMD Ryzen 9 7900X

32 gigs of ddr5 memory running at 4800mhz

rtx 3070 Gigabyte

samsung ssd 970 Evo plus 2tb

 

Why are you trolling with that username. You and I discussed how bad that mobo you have, is. 

 

Guys, this is just one of the guys I work with. 

 

While he is currently using an AMD platform, he is going to Intel for a particular reason...which I won't say. Gamerboys. Smh 😆 

 

EDIT: Your RAM isn't running at 4800 anymore. It's running at 6000. I changed that when you brought your PC to the office.

[Papusan]

18 hours ago, electrosoft said:

This is the way brother. 🙂

 

No in hell! I hate tech trash in same way as I hate the weather here home. 

 

17 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Why are you trolling with that username. You and I discussed how bad that mobo you have, is. Guys, this is just one of the guys I work with. 

 

 

So.... Give him some slack please🙂 @GIGABYTE Enjoyer welcome 🙂

 

 

 

Intel denies reports that it identified a root cause for Core i9 crashing issues — investigation continuesThe eTVB feature is reportedly 

 

 

 

[Clamibot]

Good news for AMD fans. Ryzen 9000 X3D could have overclocking support + a homogeneous CCD design for SKUs with multiple CCDs.

 

 

If this truly ends up being the case, I may get one myself. This would end up being my first AMD desktop CPU ever. I'm happy to switch camps if AMD's CPUs turn out objectively better than Intel's this coming generation in all metrics.

[Mr. Fox]

Happy Father's Day. I hope all of you that are a dad, or have one, or both, have a nice day.

[cylix]

16 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Happy Father's Day. I hope all of you that are a dad, or have one, or both, have a nice day.

Thanks brother you too aswell, on Thursday ill have the biggest hurdle as a father until now. The oldest son, hes 4 and he will have Tonsils and Nasal Polyps removed. Hes allergic and sadly cannot breath at night well, hes snoring and gasping for air, we tried cortisol spray for a month and didnt help so surgery is the last resort. I know is a standard surgery but boy do I have some  strong feelings...Even on my own surgeries over the years or any family member i  wasnt so restless like now.

I guess this are father/parents worries and it will not be the last one. I just  want the day to be over 😐

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, cylix said:

Thanks brother you too aswell, on Thursday ill have the biggest hurdle as a father until now. The oldest son, hes 4 and he will have Tonsils and Nasal Polyps removed. Hes allergic and sadly cannot breath at night well, hes snoring and gasping for air, we tried cortisol spray for a month and didnt help so surgery is the last resort. I know is a standard surgery but boy do I have some  strong feelings...Even on my own surgeries over the years or any family member i  wasnt so restless like now.

I guess this are father/parents worries and it will not be the last one. I just  want the day to be over 😐

As a parent it is always stressful when one of your kids has difficulties. That doesn't even end when they become adults. It feels the same even though you're not the one paying the doctor bills. One of our five was born with a serious heart defect and had open heart surgery three times during his first five years of life. He made it through like a champ and is an adult now with a family of his own. So, I know exactly what kind of stress you feel right now about the surgery. I will keep your family in my prayers.

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, cylix said:

I guess this are father/parents worries and it will not be the last one. I just  want the day to be over 😐

 

Good luck. And yep, this one won't be the last. And the worries will only stop when we as parents being trown in the coffin. Worries will follow us the whole life. And that's life 🙂

 

20 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Happy Father's Day. I hope all of you that are a dad, or have one, or both, have a nice day.

 

Thanks. This means I will have two Father's Day😀 Norway have an different day in the year. So I take them both, HaHa

 

Saw the deal here...

Super Flower Leadex Platinum | 1600 W | 80 Plus Platinum | $599.99 $249.99 at Newegg (save $ with promo code CYGMKTDTAA36). 

 

No fancy fragile tiny 12+4 power connector on the psu panel. 9 real 8-pins PCIe connectors for what you want. The way I prefer.

 

I wish this one was in SFF then it would be a nice replacement for my second PSU in my black box (Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W for total of 2250 W Power). Boosted up to 3100W would be a nice power reserve 🙂

 

 

The gamer boys and girls have voted with their wallet. They want small, thin, fancy colored and slimy. The modern tech trend roll faster and faster. It is only a matter of time before the rest of the worlds tech companies adopts this trend. The coming 5000 series cards will be smaller as well. Be you sure. Cute has to be todays word.

 

World's smallest GeForce RTX 4070 launches in China and sells out immediately

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/98861/worlds-smallest-geforce-rtx-4070-launches-in-china-and-sells-out-immediately/index.html

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

The gamer boys and girls have voted with their wallet. They want small, thin, fancy colored and slimy. The modern tech trend roll faster and faster. It is only a matter of time before the rest of the worlds tech companies adopts this trend. The coming 5000 series cards will be smaller as well. Be you sure. Cute has to be todays word

Yup, that's how it goes now. 😟😑 These are especially attractive to former console jockeys that want to spend the same as a console and have something better.

 

They don't know any better. They don't know what they don't know. And, it IS BETTER than a console. 😑 That's not saying much. Now, that said, yes, I'd spend $500 on this before I would consider paying $500 for a console. That doesn't mean it is awesome, but it doesn't suck as bad as a console. These people also play games with their smartphones and handheld garbage devices. For them this is an upgrade. For us it is a downgrade and an insult.

 

A bigger desk turd with discrete GPU instead of APU... but, far too expensive when compared to the turd above with an APU. Cost almost twice as much, but you do not get twice as much.

 

[jaybee83]

On 6/16/2024 at 6:39 AM, Clamibot said:

Good news for AMD fans. Ryzen 9000 X3D could have overclocking support + a homogeneous CCD design for SKUs with multiple CCDs.

 

 

If this truly ends up being the case, I may get one myself. This would end up being my first AMD desktop CPU ever. I'm happy to switch camps if AMD's CPUs turn out objectively better than Intel's this coming generation in all metrics.

 

yup after this im actually thinking about going the X3D route this time... wanna see what info AMD will provide during their upcoming Tech Day, detailed info so far is scarce for Zen 5 parts.

[tps3443]

My first attempts at stabilizing 8600C38 "Tighter Timings" with only 1.470V VDD/ 1.450V VDDQ 🥰. I'm going to guess and say 1.450V VDD will pass as well. (Have not tried yet) But this IMC is freakishly strong.  I am finally in a place where my ram IC silicon quality will be at play for sure. 

Ram Kit: G.Skill 2x24GB 8200@1.350V M-Die
DDR5@ 8600
Timings@ CL38-49-49-49-84 131,071K tREFI
VDD: 1.470V
VDDQ 1.450V

Bandwidth and latency are really good considering the CPU is 100% stock, and the ring is still only at 4.5R 😄 This is usually a good sign. In my experience strained IMC's will usually show not so good performance. 

[Mr. Fox]

So, that Dell Precision 7720 that I purchased for my wife had the latest cancer filth applied. Overclocking blocked and voltage control locked. I used this technique to take control and downgrade the BIOS to the last version where these controls were not locked down. Basically extracted all of the BIOS components and made a "cocktail" of files that lied to the BIOS about what firmware version was being flashed. I was able to downgrade the ME firmware several versions as well, but not all the way back to the 2019 branch. 

 

[tps3443]

On 6/14/2024 at 9:50 AM, Papusan said:

Good luck put in the faster Gen 5 drives if you want them to perform as expected in Jokebooks. 

So is waterchilling an M.2 maybe becoming a useful thing now? 🤣 

 

I’ll probably keep this Apex and 14900KS for a while. So I will swap to Gen5 M.2’s when I have a Gen5 PCIe supported graphics card. Our motherboards have Gen5 PCI-e support. But using a Gen5 M.2 will only let our GPU’s run at X8 lanes. I think X8 Gen 5 would be satisfactory. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

So is waterchilling an M.2 maybe becoming a useful thing now? 🤣 

 

I’ll probably keep this Apex and 14900KS for a while. So I will swap to Gen5 M.2’s when I have a Gen5 PCIe supported graphics card. Our motherboards have Gen5 PCI-e support. But using a Gen5 M.2 will only let our GPU’s run at X8 lanes. I think X8 Gen 5 would be satisfactory. 

Just my two cents worth... I think the benefit of Gen5 storage speeds is questionable and not worth the extra heat it creates, or even the added purchase cost for it being "new and special" Gen5, unless it is a hobby to run repeated SSD benchmarks that shorten the life of the SSD you are repeatedly benching. The faster Gen5 data transfer speeds are going to be totally worthless to most computer users and do nothing to improve their experience compared to Gen4 or even Gen3. Even SATA SSD is fast enough that normal daily use is not remarkably different than Gen3 NVMe.

 

I appreciate the M.2 form factor primarily because 2.5-inch SATA SSDs are essentially a hollow box that wastes a lot space on a form factor that is not necessary to accomodate the small parts inside of the mostly empty box. SATA SSDs could be reduced in size to the point that two or three M.2 SATA SSDs could fit in the space occuppied by one 2.5-inch SATA SSD.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Just my two cents worth... I think the benefit of Gen5 storage speeds is questionable and not worth the extra heat it creates, or even the added purchase cost for it being "new and special" Gen5, unless it is a hobby to run repeated SSD benchmarks that shorten the life of the SSD you are repeatedly benching. The faster Gen5 data transfer speeds are going to be totally worthless to most computer users and do nothing to improve their experience compared to Gen4 or even Gen3. Even SATA SSD is fast enough that normal daily use is not remarkably different than Gen3 NVMe.

 

I appreciate the M.2 form factor primarily because 2.5-inch SATA SSDs are essentially a hollow box that wastes a lot space on a form factor that is not necessary to accomodate the small parts inside of the mostly empty box. SATA SSDs could be reduced in size to the point that two or three M.2 SATA SSDs could fit in the space occuppied by one 2.5-inch SATA SSD.

I always thought our best Gen3 and Gen4 drives today are not all that great. They sell us on some write-speeds that are not realistic. Maybe realistic for transferring a large single file type like a video. But using these drives for real world stuff, like extracting files, extracting apps made up of hundreds of different tiny file types, transferring large game files from one Gen4 to another Gen4 is very slow and tedious. 

One good example of this would be downloading and extracting R24. It is very slow even on a 2TB Gen 4 drive. This becomes even worse when transferring large games that are 10-20GB or maybe even 200GB made up from thousands of tiny files. I think we need better/faster than this. I can download the file in 10 seconds but wait 10 minutes to extract it lol. And it's a fairly smaller file 1.3GB in size. 




Now I am kind of curious how a Gen5 M.2 would handle the R24 extraction process. 🙂

[Mr. Fox]

44 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I always thought our best Gen3 and Gen4 drives today are not all that great. They sell us on some write-speeds that are not realistic. Maybe realistic for transferring a large single file type like a video. But using these drives for real world stuff, like extracting files, extracting apps made up of hundreds of different tiny file types, transferring large game files from one Gen4 to another Gen4 is very slow and tedious. 

One good example of this would be downloading and extracting R24. It is very slow even on a 2TB Gen 4 drive. This becomes even worse when transferring large games that are 10-20GB or maybe even 200GB made up from thousands of tiny files. I think we need better/faster than this. I can download the file in 10 seconds but wait 10 minutes to extract it lol. And it's a fairly smaller file 1.3GB in size. 




Now I am kind of curious how a Gen5 M.2 would handle the R24 extraction process. 🙂

I am reasonably certain it would be better. Thankfully, doing that sort of thing doesn't represent most of what we do, most of the time. If it did, even Gen5 would be too slow. I have three Gen5 2TB NVMe SSDs but I am using all of them as Gen3 and Gen4 because I don't want to gimp my PCIe x16 bandwidth. I did test that and there was a pretty small but still measurable difference in 3DMark scores with the Gen5 NVMe knee-capping the GPU. Small enough that I doubt it would be noticeable in gaming. In the same way the Gen5 speed capacity increase wouldn't be noticeable in normal use.

[tps3443]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am reasonably certain it would be better. Thankfully, doing that sort of thing doesn't represent most of what we do, most of the time. If it did, even Gen5 would be too slow. I have three Gen5 2TB NVMe SSDs but I am using all of them as Gen3 and Gen4 because I don't want to gimp my PCIe x16 bandwidth. I did test that and there was a pretty small but still measurable difference in 3DMark scores with the Gen5 NVMe knee-capping the GPU. Small enough that I doubt it would be noticeable in gaming. In the same way the Gen5 speed capacity increase wouldn't be noticeable in normal use.

I’d be okay running my GPU at Gen5 x8 lanes. I think it would be equivalent to Gen4 x16. But I’m not running Gen4 x8 lanes. 

[Papusan]

8 hours ago, tps3443 said:

One good example of this would be downloading and extracting R24. It is very slow even on a 2TB Gen 4 drive. This becomes even worse when transferring large games that are 10-20GB or maybe even 200GB made up from thousands of tiny files. I think we need better/faster than this. I can download the file in 10 seconds but wait 10 minutes to extract it lol. And it's a fairly smaller file 1.3GB in size. 




Now I am kind of curious how a Gen5 M.2 would handle the R24 extraction process. 🙂

 

If you need 10 min to extract it then there is something very wrong here😃 

 

And why not try use 7-Zip ? See if that one can boost up the speed for you.

 

 

Not the first one being screwed by scammers. And probably not the last one (Yep, your own faulth). Who think they can get away with an 4090 for $200-300 USD and expect it can be easily repaired? Maybe one of a million, HaHa

 

[Clamibot]

8 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I always thought our best Gen3 and Gen4 drives today are not all that great. They sell us on some write-speeds that are not realistic. Maybe realistic for transferring a large single file type like a video. But using these drives for real world stuff, like extracting files, extracting apps made up of hundreds of different tiny file types, transferring large game files from one Gen4 to another Gen4 is very slow and tedious. 

One good example of this would be downloading and extracting R24. It is very slow even on a 2TB Gen 4 drive. This becomes even worse when transferring large games that are 10-20GB or maybe even 200GB made up from thousands of tiny files. I think we need better/faster than this. I can download the file in 10 seconds but wait 10 minutes to extract it lol. And it's a fairly smaller file 1.3GB in size. 




Now I am kind of curious how a Gen5 M.2 would handle the R24 extraction process. 🙂

 

This is where Optane really shines. It's significantly faster than Gen 5 drives in anything other than large file transfers. Basically it's better in everything that really matters for everyday usage. I got my 905P for work related stuff and use it as a boot drive, but I figured I'd try loading games from it as well since I already have the drive. Games load significantly faster if I launch them from the 905P.

 

So if you want a real speed upgrade and don't want to wait a few more gens for drive manufacturers to drastically increase random read/write speeds, get an Optane drive while you can.

[tps3443]

This IMC has been blessed by someone. 

DDR5 8600 C36 sending 1.570 VDD and 1.450 VDDQ. Easily the best memory controller I have ever had tried on any LGA 1700 CPU. 

3 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

This is where Optane really shines. It's significantly faster than Gen 5 drives in anything other than large file transfers. Basically it's better in everything that really matters for everyday usage. I got my 905P for work related stuff and use it as a boot drive, but I figured I'd try loading games from it as well since I already have the drive. Games load significantly faster if I launch them from the 905P.

 

So if you want a real speed upgrade and don't want to wait a few more gens for drive manufacturers to drastically increase random read/write speeds, get an Optane drive while you can.

I have heard this as well. I see many people using them as OS drives. Even the smaller ones just because they can extract/transfer files super insanely fast compared to a traditional M.2. It removes all of the problems that regular drives suffer from. Plus, they kind of look cool as a bonus lol. Below is an Intel 5800X but they are crazy expensive. 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

This is where Optane really shines. It's significantly faster than Gen 5 drives in anything other than large file transfers. Basically it's better in everything that really matters for everyday usage. I got my 905P for work related stuff and use it as a boot drive, but I figured I'd try loading games from it as well since I already have the drive. Games load significantly faster if I launch them from the 905P.

 

So if you want a real speed upgrade and don't want to wait a few more gens for drive manufacturers to drastically increase random read/write speeds, get an Optane drive while you can.

Optane support was removed in Z790. In fact, that is the primary difference between Z690 and Z790. Nothing was done other than repurposing the PCIe lanes that were used by Optane. And, it created something new for Intel partners to sell to motherboard shoppers. New is always newer, and when people feel compelled to have something newer, you need to have something new to sell them. Z790 also gave dishonest losers like ASUS the chance to fix their screwed up Z690 messes without having to admit that they botched things up with Z690, or incur any costs or accountability for fixing their screw-ups. Meanwhile, MSI and EVGA were doing great things with the Z690 platform.

 

Viva la machine.

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Optane support was removed in Z790. In fact, that is the primary difference between Z690 and Z790. Nothing was done other than repurposing the PCIe lanes that were used by Optane. And, it created something new for Intel partners to sell to motherboard shoppers. New is always newer, and when people feel compelled to have something newer, you need to have something new to sell them. Z790 also gave dishonest losers like ASUS the chance to fix their screwed up Z690 messes without having to admit that they botched things up with Z690, or incur any costs or accountability for fixing their screw-ups. Meanwhile, MSI and EVGA were doing great things with the Z690 platform.

 

Viva la machine.

 

New is always better. Sure. Most of the MB manufacturers removed SLI support going  from Z690 over on Z790 motherboard/platform. So Z690 boads is better in all ways outside offer worse memory support. Sad seeing newer being worse. But that's the trend nowadays 😞 One step forwards then one or two steps backwards. 

 

And the plain stupid idea welding the M.2 gen 5 slot on top of the graphics card on a Intel platform for gaming/OC boards (Z790) is just another symptom for stupid decisions by idiotic engineers. 

[Mr. Fox]

49 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

New is always better. Sure. Most of the MB manufacturers removed SLI support going  from Z690 over on Z790 motherboard/platform. So Z690 boads is better in all ways outside offer worse memory support. Sad seeing newer being worse. But that's the trend nowadays 😞 One step forwards then one or two steps backwards. 

And the "worse" memory support is not the chipset, it is the motherboard OEMs stopped giving any effort to Z690. There is no difference in memory overclocking support between Z690 and Z790, only a difference in motherboard OEM priorities. Or, maybe we should say the LACK of priorities. Z690 Dark was the perfect example of what Z690 can do if the people that sold it give a hoot about their customers. By most measurements it overclocks the memory as well as Z790 Apex and EVGA hasn't continued firmware development. Yet a Z690 Apex, which should have been recalled by ASUS for being a defective product, sucked like a 4-DIMM motherboard at memory overclocking.

 

The one thing we can count on with ASUS is that they never do the right thing for their customers.

  

49 minutes ago, Papusan said:

And the plain stupid idea welding the M.2 gen 5 slot on top of the graphics card on a Intel platform for gaming/OC boards (Z790) is just another symptom for stupid decisions by idiotic engineers. 

Yup, absolutely correct. Complete idiots. They should be fired for their stupidity and incompetence.