*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Hmmm. It seems Ryzen 9000 X3D chips will beat the new "gaming downgrade". Aka Intel Core Ultra Chips with at least 15% in gaming. If not 20%. What Intel have left now is the single core performance crown. That's something. Better than nothing? Huuuh. The move to tiles destoyed everything for Intel. They'll need an X3D chips themself due the new added latency problems. 

 

AMD Ryzen 9000X3D “3D V-Cache” CPU Gaming Performance Leaks Out: Ryzen 7 9800X3D 11% Faster Than 7800X3D, Ryzen 9 9950X3D 13% Faster Than 7950X3D

 

lets hope this pans out and is not just another "coping marketing strategy" by AMD 😄 

[Papusan]

On 10/10/2024 at 1:17 AM, Papusan said:

Opened up the MSI 770 Lightning. As expected, 11 year old rock-hard thermal paste. Never been opened so this is real old paste from the factory. They don't use such thermal paste nowadays for new and modern. The new and modern get the cheapest you can get that last maybe a few months. Not +10 years as this old lady have run🙂

 

 

Finally had the time to re-paste and check the asic score for the 770 Lightning. Asic 81.7% and Samsung vram. Not bad. Sad we can't have such features for todays graphics cards. This feature is probably closed down by Ngreedia. Because they don't want that you know what you got.

 

[Reciever]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Hmmm. It seems Ryzen 9000 X3D chips will beat the new "gaming downgrade". Aka Intel Core Ultra Chips with at least 15% in gaming. If not 20%. What Intel have left now is the single core performance crown. That's something. Better than nothing? Huuuh. The move to tiles destoyed everything for Intel. They'll need an X3D chips themself due the new added latency problems. 

 

AMD Ryzen 9000X3D “3D V-Cache” CPU Gaming Performance Leaks Out: Ryzen 7 9800X3D 11% Faster Than 7800X3D, Ryzen 9 9950X3D 13% Faster Than 7950X3D

Just going to keep sitting on my 5800X3D for a while. Seems to pair well with the 7900 XTX I have in the few titles I have tried out. Oddly the potential of self hosted game streaming has hit a fever pitch so I may be setting that up this weekend along with my other studies.

 

Like yourself I have been playing with some older hardware for some mildly interesting scenarios. Found a macbook pro 2012 in the closet so I threw manjaro on it. Works fairly well considering its age. Not replacing my daily driver of course (OS) but have to start somewhere.

[tps3443]

Dominus Build Part 1
 

https://youtu.be/qb0vwMWlWLE?si=zVIwWFszyF3KE9GS

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Asus Dominus is in the house. And my 128GB (8x16GB B-Die) this ram kit was manufactured 02/2023!!! Amazing. Stuff is pretty fresh for DDR4 B-Die! It’s dual rank sticks and 128 gigs of overclocking goodness!!! 
 

 

uploading pictures

 

12 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Dominus Build Part 1
 

https://youtu.be/qb0vwMWlWLE?si=zVIwWFszyF3KE9GS

That's totally sick, Brother T. I can hardly wait to see how that monster Xeon runs.

[tps3443]

38 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

That's totally sick, Brother T. I can hardly wait to see how that monster Xeon runs.

It’s really an interesting build lol. The motherboard included all of the original accessories, as well as (6) Corsair Vengeance DDR4 sticks but they weren’t B-Die so I did not wanna use those lol, anyways as far as I can tell all of the accessories are unopened. Even the Asus ROG thumb drive is sealed, the (2) Dimm 2 cards are factory sealed, WiFi antenna sealed, even the manual was sealed lol. The motherboard looks/smells very brand new to me. 
 

One thing I want to point out is how HEAVY and stiff the motherboard is. It has zero creak, zero flex, and is the thickest PCB I have ever seen in my life, like stacking two Apex PCB’s together. When I say zero flex or squeak when lifting it, it literally feels like holding a slab of granite is the only thing I can compare it to. It’s built to a very high standard. No noise, no flex, just crazy stiff and crazy solid. 
 

I also bought an Air cooler which I have already, I want to test boot everything before hooking water up. I’m going to upgrade the WiFi card to WiFi 6E or 7 and just use the rig. The one problem area is case selection, this is a true “XL-ATX” motherboard, so not many cases work with it. So far it looks like the Define 7 XL will work though, so I’m probably gonna grab one of those to house all of this in. I’m honestly not even certain if I can put it in the test bench. I might have to drill some holes to match, and put the standoffs in the drilled holes. 
 

This is the very simple Dynatron 3647 Narrow socket server style air cooler I have for initial testing. This socket 3647 has two cooler options. (1) is 3647 Narrow like the Asus Dominus, and (2) is 3647 Square which is what most more basic server style boards use. 
 

[Reciever]

34 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

It’s really an interesting build lol. The motherboard included all of the original accessories, as well as (6) Corsair Vengeance DDR4 sticks but they weren’t B-Die so I did not wanna use those lol, anyways as far as I can tell all of the accessories are unopened. Even the Asus ROG thumb drive is sealed, the (2) Dimm 2 cards are factory sealed, WiFi antenna sealed, even the manual was sealed lol. The motherboard looks/smells very brand new to me. 
 

One thing I want to point out is how HEAVY and stiff the motherboard is. It has zero creak, zero flex, and is the thickest PCB I have ever seen in my life, like stacking two Apex PCB’s together. When I say zero flex or squeak when lifting it, it literally feels like holding a slab of granite is the only thing I can compare it to. It’s built to a very high standard. No noise, no flex, just crazy stiff and crazy solid. 
 

I also bought an Air cooler which I have already, I want to test boot everything before hooking water up. I’m going to upgrade the WiFi card to WiFi 6E or 7 and just use the rig. The one problem area is case selection, this is a true “XL-ATX” motherboard, so not many cases work with it. So far it looks like the Define 7 XL will work though, so I’m probably gonna grab one of those to house all of this in. I’m honestly not even certain if I can put it in the test bench. I might have to drill some holes to match, and put the standoffs in the drilled holes. 
 

This is the very simple Dynatron 3647 Narrow socket server style air cooler I have for initial testing. This socket 3647 has two cooler options. (1) is 3647 Narrow like the Asus Dominus, and (2) is 3647 Square which is what most more basic server style boards use. 
 

Should be a lot of fun to see it come together, perhaps a buildlog?

[cylix]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

lets hope this pans out and is not just another "coping marketing strategy" by AMD 😄 

I think those are realistic scores,  they are from MSI internal team and not from AMD directly

[Papusan]

 

Tempting bro @Mr. Fox? More overclocking features/toggles with the Intel's "Ryzen version" from TSMC (glued mess). When will we get NPU overclocking benchmarks on hwbot?🙄

 

 

 

MSI Enhances Motherboard AI Capabilities with AI Boost Feature in Z890 and X870 Series

MSI details exclusive 'AI Boost' feature that overclocks the NPU for a performance boost tweaktown.com

 

 

On 10/11/2024 at 6:43 PM, Papusan said:

What's the secret sauce that make ASRock (Taichi OCF is the  successor to the ASRock Formula series) so much better than the others best OC boards this time? @Mr. Fox 

 

Seems Asus is more careful on the promisses. 

 

ASRock Z890 Taichi OCF - 10133 MT/s+
MSI MEG Z890 Unify-X - 9600 MT/s+
Z890 AORUS Xtreme AI TOP - 9500 MT/s+
ASUS ROG Maximus Z890 APEX - 9000 MT/s+
Maxsun iCraft Z890 Vertex - 9000 MT/s+

 

The secret sauce...

ASRock's new generation Z890 series has added the new "Memory OC Shield" memory shielding technology, making this generation of motherboards significantly ahead of the competition in terms of memory performance

 

The Memory OC Shield is much talked about since the manufacturers announce the support of DDR5 frequency up to 9600 MT/s and ASRock, 10133 MT/s. According to our colleagues at HKEPC , the ASRock team with the help of the in-house overclocker , NickShih, have developed a special material to cover the memory line of the motherboard, thus considerably improving the overclocking performance and the stability of the memory.

 

https://overclocking.com/asrock-z890-taichi-ocf-memory-oc-shield/

 

 

ASRock Z890 motherboard’s exclusive patented Memory OC Shield breaks through D5-10133

 

According to Nick Shih, after adding Memory OC Shield shielding material, the DDR5 memory clock speed of the entire ASRock Z890 series of motherboards has been significantly improved. Even if a CPU with poor IMC is used, it can run stably at high temperatures at a lower IMC voltage. clock, greatly improving the memory compatibility of the motherboard.

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Tempting bro @Mr. Fox? More overclocking features/toggles with the Intel's "Ryzen version" from TSMC (glued mess). When will we get NPU overclocking benchmarks on hwbot?🙄

 

 

 

MSI Enhances Motherboard AI Capabilities with AI Boost Feature in Z890 and X870 Series

MSI details exclusive 'AI Boost' feature that overclocks the NPU for a performance boost tweaktown.com

 

 

 

The secret sauce...

ASRock's new generation Z890 series has added the new "Memory OC Shield" memory shielding technology, making this generation of motherboards significantly ahead of the competition in terms of memory performance

 

The Memory OC Shield is much talked about since the manufacturers announce the support of DDR5 frequency up to 9600 MT/s and ASRock, 10133 MT/s. According to our colleagues at HKEPC , the ASRock team with the help of the in-house overclocker , NickShih, have developed a special material to cover the memory line of the motherboard, thus considerably improving the overclocking performance and the stability of the memory.

 

https://overclocking.com/asrock-z890-taichi-ocf-memory-oc-shield/

 

 

ASRock Z890 motherboard’s exclusive patented Memory OC Shield breaks through D5-10133

 

According to Nick Shih, after adding Memory OC Shield shielding material, the DDR5 memory clock speed of the entire ASRock Z890 series of motherboards has been significantly improved. Even if a CPU with poor IMC is used, it can run stably at high temperatures at a lower IMC voltage. clock, greatly improving the memory compatibility of the motherboard.

 

 

Maybe they tested some of that "secret sauce" in the Asrock Z790i Lightning since it is a beast for a really good price.

 

 

[jaybee83]

13 hours ago, cylix said:

I think those are realistic scores,  they are from MSI internal team and not from AMD directly

 

yes it certainly looks like internal testing done by MSI. might also be numbers provided by AMD though. hoping for a good outcome in any case, want something to upgrade my 7950X to! 😄 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

Tempting bro @Mr. Fox? More overclocking features/toggles with the Intel's "Ryzen version" from TSMC (glued mess). When will we get NPU overclocking benchmarks on hwbot?🙄

 

 

 

MSI Enhances Motherboard AI Capabilities with AI Boost Feature in Z890 and X870 Series

MSI details exclusive 'AI Boost' feature that overclocks the NPU for a performance boost tweaktown.com

Smells like feces to me, brother. Half-a$$ed Winduhz AI performance tuning for pansies and idiots. Nice. They can put that wussy mama's-boy junk where the sun don't shine. Most "new" things are botched up trash and PC tech is not an exception.

[Papusan]

23 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Smells like feces to me, brother. Half-a$$ed Winduhz AI performance tuning for pansies and idiots. Nice. They can put that wussy mama's-boy junk where the sun don't shine. Most "new" things are botched up trash and PC tech is not an exception.

 

Yeees. Stick it where.........

 

How long will Intel support older processors for modern games? Damn sad we now need software to make the hardware work as intended. You should never need special software to get what to expect from your processor. Yup, the "hybrid mess" with baby cores with another arch show its ugly nature. 

 

Intel APO Now Available In 26 Games: Faster Performance On Core Ultra 200S & 14th Gen CPUs

 

GTX770 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5664915_papusan_unigine_superposition___1080p_xtreme_geforce_gtx_770_1778_points?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5664869_papusan_gpupi_v3.3___1b_geforce_gtx_770_39sec_201ms/

 

On 10/12/2024 at 5:36 PM, Papusan said:

The secret sauce...

ASRock's new generation Z890 series has added the new "Memory OC Shield" memory shielding technology, making this generation of motherboards significantly ahead of the competition in terms of memory performance

 

On 10/12/2024 at 8:44 PM, electrosoft said:

 

 

Maybe they tested some of that "secret sauce" in the Asrock Z790i Lightning since it is a beast for a really good price.

 

 

 

Seems the secret sauce don't work so well with the non K chips. Hmmm. Could be lack of tested chips or ASRock used Top binned K chips for their mem OC claims. 

 

ASRock lists Core Ultra 200 non-K CPUs with slower DDR5 memory support than K-Series

 

Typically, slower memory support is expected on budget-oriented motherboard designs, such as the B860 series, though these have not been announced yet. In this case, we’re looking at the Z890 Taichi, a premium enthusiast board that includes all of ASRock’s latest features for the LGA-1851 platform, such as the Memory OC Shield. This makes the memory disparity between K and non-K models even more surprising, given the highend nature of the Z890 Taichi.

 

On 10/12/2024 at 2:01 AM, Papusan said:

Hmmm. It seems Ryzen 9000 X3D chips will beat the new "gaming downgrade". Aka Intel Core Ultra Chips with at least 15% in gaming. If not 20%. What Intel have left now is the single core performance crown. That's something. Better than nothing? Huuuh. The move to tiles destoyed everything for Intel. They'll need an X3D chips themself due the new added latency problems. 

 

AMD Ryzen 9000X3D “3D V-Cache” CPU Gaming Performance Leaks Out: Ryzen 7 9800X3D 11% Faster Than 7800X3D, Ryzen 9 9950X3D 13% Faster Than 7950X3D

 

And Intels brand new Core Ultra hybrid processors is even worse at gaming... Yup, it's called progress forwards. Or better say backwards into the future.

Leak indicates AMD Ryzen 9000X3D series CPU gaming performance will disappoint

[Reciever]

Repasted the 7900 XTX and the HotSpot did drop 20-22c at lower fan speeds, so its an improvement. I suppose the next step would be to figure out the process to flash the "Unleashed" vBIOS of from the Liquid Devil so I can have more power allocation. Seems to be reliably (for now) hitting 2.8Ghz in 4K Baldurs Gate 3. I would like to be able to hold 3Ghz long term not for anything specific other than 3Ghz sounds better than 2.8Ghz, the added FPS would be nice of course.

 

Its likely there might be pump out, but for now I am ok with that since I already have the paste and tend to do quarterly upkeep on my pc since its open air. Sometimes its dusting, sometimes its a heatsink swap, sometimes its a OS reinstall. Im sure you guys can relate, you pull a thread and its not done until you're done.

 

 

[Papusan]

Look at this bro @Mr. Fox

 

No MSI software can push older Lighning cards above 1.307 - You need custom HOF_NVVDD XOC tool to go above that stupid voltage limits. Sad seeing MSI only care about own in-house overclockers/choosen ones and provide them with custom Afterburner Extreme that no others can have. Disgusting! Oh'well. Galax own XOC tool to rescue😀 And even today, people have to rely on Galax for modern graphics cards. Isn't that sad? No one of the AIB bother offer awesome nowadays. Everything is heavly screwed up. And don't put all blame on Nvidia... The AIB partners is equal bad and could have done as Galax. If needed, just hide any HW mods/tweaks on the PCB from nvidia's sticky nasty fingers. 

 

Yup, the old custom HOF XOC tool works just fine with the old MSI card😊 And you have enough voltage headroom on the slider to easly fry the card.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5665738_papusan_gpupi_v3.3___1b_geforce_gtx_770_38sec_508ms/

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5665846_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_gtx_770_64647_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5665803_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_geforce_gtx_770_9868_marks?recalculate=true

[Papusan]

On 10/12/2024 at 5:36 PM, Papusan said:

Tempting bro @Mr. Fox? More overclocking features/toggles with the Intel's "Ryzen version" from TSMC (glued mess). When will we get NPU overclocking benchmarks on hwbot?🙄

 

 

 

I forgot. Hwbot have it already listed... Geekbench - AI

 

The good thing... Asus have already implemented NPU overclocking on their boards😎 Me using this... Nope.

 

Yup, One click overclock. A must have 

 

I'm sure the kids already have the benchmark software in their tool box. They already use it for smartphones so the benchmark software should be well known Geekbench AI - Cross-Platform AI Benchmark

 

Compare AI Performance Across Platforms

Geekbench AI runs identical workloads on Android, iOS, Windows, macOS, and Linux. Our benchmark is built for hardware across the capability spectrum, whether you're testing a smartphone with an ultra-low-power NPU or a dedicated workstation with a kilowatt-plus of dedicated AI compute. Instantly compare results using our Geekbench AI results browser.

[Mr. Fox]

On 10/12/2024 at 1:57 PM, Papusan said:

Leak indicates AMD Ryzen 9000X3D series CPU gaming performance will disappoint

We're reaching a point where we can always count on two things to be true more often than not:

1. new technology is going to be a disappointment in one or more ways
2. new technology is going to be unreasonably overpriced and offer poor value

As that remains true and constant over time it wil also drive up the cost of old technology, making used PC parts hold their value better and making them more costly to purchase used.

 

It won't be surprising to find more examples of people that "upgraded" that have regrets about selling their old parts and start looking to buy replacements for the things they sold to pay for the new better newer tech. It is not accidental that I have spare CPUs and more desktops than I need right now. I won't have to spend money if something breaks and if nothing breaks I have something I can sell that will probably sell for as much or maybe even more than what it cost me.

 

Edit: @Papusan as we remember how, once upon a time, laptops like the very old Alienware and Clevo dream machines were objects of admiration that demonstrated a commitment to excellence that later died or ceased to exist, I am thinking the day is coming soon when we begin to look back on desktop computers in the same way. Stupidity rules and sucky is the new normal. 
 

Edited Monday at 05:05 PM by Mr. Fox
added comment

[electrosoft]

Jufus predicting 285k is DOA for gamers and basically Rocketlake 2.0 (which I had already claimed lol):

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Jufus predicting 285k is DOA for gamers and basically Rocketlake 2.0 (which I had already claimed lol):

 

 

 

A lot talk similar as my older post below. Castrated 14th gen vs new and shiny in games only benefit Intel and their new processor.

 

Not sure this is legit or have latest firmware before release. But...... Take a look.

 

 

On 10/8/2024 at 8:59 PM, Papusan said:

In reality it could be worse. The final Vmin Shift Instability issue fix come right in time before Arrow Lake release date. I wonder if the fix was able to narrow the performance gap bethween Arrow Lake and the faster 14900K in games. Yup, I expect the performance figures in games showed in the Chinese slides from Intel bethween Core Ultra 9 285K and 14900K is done with an castrated 14900K running their latest fix.

 

In short... The gaming results from Core Ultra 9 285K are even worse than what the slides show😀 But hey, what do I know. The single core Jockey's got exactly what they wanted. Power efficiency to try beat ARM and AMD in what's matter.

 

Exactly where I see Intel right now.... Stupid is as stupid does.

 

From reddit...🤢🤮🤢

 

 

ARL-S IPC (vs 13/14th)

 

P Core +9%
E Core +32%

 

So Intel throwed away HT for better power efficiency and measly 9% IPC gains for the P-cores. And the so called better multi threaded performance will mostly come from improved Baby cores. Disgusting!

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

40 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

A lot talk similar as my older post below. Castrated 14th gen vs new and shiny in games only benefit Intel and their new processor.

 

Not sure this is legit or have latest firmware before release. But...... Take a look.

 

 

I think NVIDIA invented the idea of castrating their outgoing GPU with driver cancer to make the half-baked next gen look better and not get utterly wrecked by an older part. Predictable that it would metastasize to other major component manufacturers. Getting away with bad behavior always sets an unwanted precedent. So, we shouldn't hold our breath. I suspect we will be seeing Intel, AMD and probably other major component manufacturers following this scummy business practice with regularity. They're already calling anything that uses less power a win, even when it is not a win from a performance perspective. Stupidity rules.

  

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Jufus predicting 285k is DOA for gamers and basically Rocketlake 2.0 (which I had already claimed lol):

 

 

Jufus said, "you know what the interesting thing is about Intel and AMD actually I don't think they even know how their own products work literally." 

 

And, he is not wrong. It bears repeating... Stupidity rules.

More evidence that stupidity rules. Two years later and they still make all the same stupid mistakes.

 

[Papusan]

33 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think NVIDIA invented the idea of castrating their outgoing GPU with driver cancer to make the half-baked next gen look better and not get utterly wrecked by an older part. Predictable that it would metastasize to other major component manufacturers. Getting away with bad behavior always sets an unwanted precedent. So, we shouldn't hold our breath. I suspect we will be seeing Intel, AMD and probably other major component manufacturers following this scummy business practice with regularity. They're already calling anything that uses less power a win, even when it is not a win from a performance perspective. Stupidity rules.

  

Jufus said, "you know what the interesting thing is about Intel and AMD actually I don't think they even know how their own products work literally." 

 

And, he is not wrong. It bears repeating... Stupidity rules.

 

Gamer kids buy it if it\s newer or more innovative than yesterdays tech. The tech space is flooded with overpriced junk. Just look at what Razer will offer the gaming community. One thing for sure... I\m 100% certain that bro @Rage Setwill stay away from their chairs.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

13 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Gamer kids buy it if it\s newer or more innovative than yesterday. The tech space is flooded with overpriced junk. Just look at what Razer will offer the gaming community. One thing for sure... I\m 100% certain that bro @Rage Setwill stay away from their chairs.

 

 

Sad, but true...

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Jufus predicting 285k is DOA for gamers and basically Rocketlake 2.0 (which I had already claimed lol):

 

 

I was worried that this was the case. And I started losing interest fast from that point forward. I had a lot of fun with Rocket lake, but the only reason I bought an 11900K and got that started was because my 10900K had died.
 

I really think Intel is trying to step back on power consumption and focus on IPC and real-world performance. Less heat, less power, less degradation lol. 
 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I really think Intel is trying to step back on power consumption and focus on IPC and real-world performance. Less heat, less power, less degradation lol. 
 

 

 

 

 

Real/wold performance_ Maybe for single core tasks. This is on same level going from an 6700K to 7700K😎 

 

Can barely beat 14th gen in compute tasks but lose in gaming. All left is slight advantage in Single threaded performance. Yup,  I say single thread and not single core. Intel removed half of the treads for the Pcores to improve power efficiency. Aka half catrated. Its for a reason Intel still offer Pcores with HT for some newer server chips. They can afford that for the higher price point.

 

And not let me start talk about AVX512. Intel killed that option after Rocket Lake. You need pay more and buy the more expensive Intel server chips for that. Regression all the way. 

 

Just look at the numbers. Outperform 9000 series Ryzen chips. This has to be a Joke.  

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-claims-unlocked-core-ultra-9-285k-will-require-less-power-and-offer-lower-temps-than-i9-14900k

 

 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sad, but true...

 

And my 14900KS works just fine as day one. Here with GTX770 - 3DM 06

https://hwbot.org/submission/5666694_papusan_3dmark06_geforce_gtx_770_77342_marks?recalculate=true

 

[electrosoft]

7 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I was worried that this was the case. And I started losing interest fast from that point forward. I had a lot of fun with Rocket lake, but the only reason I bought an 11900K and got that started was because my 10900K had died.
 

I really think Intel is trying to step back on power consumption and focus on IPC and real-world performance. Less heat, less power, less degradation lol. 
 

 

 

 

 

Yup, I've been saying it since mid Summer! 🙂

 

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Real/wold performance_ Maybe for single core tasks. This is on same level going from an 6700K to 7700K😎 

 

Can barely beat 14th gen in compute tasks but lose in gaming. All left is slight advantage in Single threaded performance. Yup,  I say single thread and not single core. Intel removed half of the treads for the Pcores to improve power efficiency. Aka half catrated. Its for a reason Intel still offer Pcores with HT for some newer server chips. They can afford that for the higher price point.

 

And not let me start talk about AVX512. Intel killed that option after Rocket Lake. You need pay more and buy the more expensive Intel server chips for that. Regression all the way. 

 

Just look at the numbers. Outperform 9000 series Ryzen chips. This has to be a Joke.  

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-claims-unlocked-core-ultra-9-285k-will-require-less-power-and-offer-lower-temps-than-i9-14900k

 

 

 

And my 14900KS works just fine as day one. Here with GTX770 - 3DM 06

https://hwbot.org/submission/5666694_papusan_3dmark06_geforce_gtx_770_77342_marks?recalculate=true

 

 

Enhancements everywhere but performance. Hopefully it will pay dividends for 16th.

 

My big issue is 15th gen still looks to run pretty hot and heavy and that's without HT if some of those "unlocked" MSI slides are valid which I would tend to think they are. Me thinks a little bit of removing HT was because it would run just as hot and heavy, if not more, than 14th.