*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Talon]

4 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Nice! This will be a good ole fashion shoot out incoming 285 vs 14900ks vs 9800X3D. 🙂

 

@Talon still living vicariously through your early hardware pickups  as always. 🤣

Im done comparing to tech tubers running dummy settings. I will have first hand knowledge. Not bought or sponsored by either brand. I really hope I don’t regret this purchase and AMD had better support this board with Zen 6. Its part of the reason I bought a high end board. 

[cylix]

Lol the scalpers are back!😂😂 this time they are selling 9800x3ds. In Germany from 600 to 800 euros, saw some on ebay with 900dollars😂😂

[jaybee83]

3 hours ago, Talon said:

Im done comparing to tech tubers running dummy settings. I will have first hand knowledge. Not bought or sponsored by either brand. I really hope I don’t regret this purchase and AMD had better support this board with Zen 6. Its part of the reason I bought a high end board. 

 

u and me both, only reason i got the ROG Extreme board. i would be VERY disappointed if AM5 wont support Zen 6, even Zen 7 should be still the same socket. Zen 8 on AM6, fine by me, but not before!

 

1 hour ago, cylix said:

Lol the scalpers are back!😂😂 this time they are selling 9800x3ds. In Germany from 600 to 800 euros, saw some on ebay with 900dollars😂😂

 

lulz, predictable. i wonder how many of the initial stock went to scalpers....

[Papusan]

22 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That sounds a bit like the stupid stunt Intel pulled with Core Ultra voltage capping crap.

 

It seems Intel want be in front what you can do with your chips. What next?🤔 

 

 

And the same can be shown here.... Intel don't bother with performance enthusiasts anymore. Why make it more complicated than it has to be?

 

Also Microsoft prefer that you don't have any choices... 

Microsoft doesn't like you downloading Windows 10 even from official source anymore

Microsoft seems to not like it anymore it you want to download Windows 10, even if you do it from an official source.

[Mr. Fox]

13 hours ago, Papusan said:

Microsoft prefer that you don't have any choices... 

I stopped caring about what they want, or what is best for them, shortly after W8 dropped from their rectum and now I want only what is the worst of everything for them. Since the day they spewed that filth they've done nothing but one screwup after another. 

[Reciever]

Looks like the 9800x3D is the only interesting launch this cycle. The rest appear to be duds from both camps. Told a gamer bud of mine that he needs to jump on it before the price soars past the msrp. I believe he's on a 9700k currently. 

 

Been lurking as I've been working 60 hour weeks the only thing I get to do is continue building up my intranet as parts come in (moving from wifi to 10G ethernet/fiber) and maybe 20-30min of a game here or there. 

[tps3443]

I have been using Windows 11 Pro 24H2 for a few months now "Fresh install on the new 3175X Dominus RIG".. Anyways, I was looking at recent 3Dmark Results for my Xeon 3175X from other users in the world. And my Physics scores was so much lower than even people running their CPU's completely bone stock, Toms hardware actually Reviewed the 3175X years ago, and his stock physics score was a lot higher than my FULL TUNE 50% CPU overclock physics score was getting (PRETTY SAD I must say lol) Turning off Hyperthreading was offering a decent boost for me, but Toms hardware did not go in and turn off HT, they just ran the 3175X stock for the review, and they absolutely smoked my full OCed chip on a chiller. So then I saw these 3DMark results and some of these users had all the 28/56 cores enabled as well, and they were beating me as well. So, I looked at their Windows versions they were using and BINGO! Most of these were Windows 10 Pro, or Windows 11 Pro 22H2 or even 22H3. So, I downgraded. And BAM! I gained 5,000 CPU physics points lol. 🤣

Many were saying 24H2 was performing worse for them. Even for newer CPU's. I never did much comparison between them when I ran Z790 platform. Just trusted the process and trusted what people were saying. Well, my point is that Windows 11 Pro 22H2 is STRONG! VERY STRONG! I am even tempted to try Windows 10 Pro now at this point, I saw someone with an extremely beefy Physics score, and they were using Windows 10 lol. I am just glad going back to 22H2 helped like it did.

[Papusan]

3 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I have been using Windows 11 Pro 24H2 for a few months now "Fresh install".. Anyways, I was looking at recent 3Dmark Results for my Xeon 3175X from other users. And my Physics scores was way lower than even people running their CPU's completely stock. But I saw these 3DMark results and some of these users had all the 28/56 cores enabled as well. So, I looked at their Windows versions they were using and BINGO! Most of these were Windows 10 Pro, or Windows 11 Pro 22H2 or even 22H3. So, I downgraded. And BAM! I gained 5,000 CPU physics points lol. 🤣

Many were saying 24H2 was performing worse for them. Even for newer CPU's. I never did much comparison between them when I ran Z790 platform. Just trusted the process and trusted what people were saying. Well, 24H2 is STRONG! VERY STRONG! I am even tempted to try Windows 10 at this point, I saw someone with an extremely beefy Physics score, and they were using Windows 10 lol. I am just glad going back to 22H2 helped like it did.

 

LooL. Newer is always better bro @ryan😁 

[Mr. Fox]

12 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I have been using Windows 11 Pro 24H2 for a few months now "Fresh install on the new 3175X Dominus RIG".. Anyways, I was looking at recent 3Dmark Results for my Xeon 3175X from other users in the world. And my Physics scores was so much lower than even people running their CPU's completely bone stock, Toms hardware actually Reviewed the 3175X years ago, and his stock physics score was a lot higher than my FULL TUNE 50% CPU overclock physics score was getting (PRETTY SAD I must say lol) Turning off Hyperthreading was offering a decent boost for me, but Toms hardware did not go in and turn off HT, they just ran the 3175X stock for the review, and they absolutely smoked my full OCed chip on a chiller. So then I saw these 3DMark results and some of these users had all the 28/56 cores enabled as well, and they were beating me as well. So, I looked at their Windows versions they were using and BINGO! Most of these were Windows 10 Pro, or Windows 11 Pro 22H2 or even 22H3. So, I downgraded. And BAM! I gained 5,000 CPU physics points lol. 🤣

Many were saying 24H2 was performing worse for them. Even for newer CPU's. I never did much comparison between them when I ran Z790 platform. Just trusted the process and trusted what people were saying. Well, my point is that Windows 11 Pro 22H2 is STRONG! VERY STRONG! I am even tempted to try Windows 10 Pro now at this point, I saw someone with an extremely beefy Physics score, and they were using Windows 10 lol. I am just glad going back to 22H2 helped like it did.

I know a lot of people think brother @Papusan and @Mr. Fox are bat-poop crazy for hating on Winduhz 11 so hard, especially newer versions, (also including the newer Windoze 10 cancer,) but we actually do our homework. If performance was better we would actually be using it as our preferred OS. The ugly part is subjective and fixable. Try as we may, people are still going to think we are nuts and form their own misinformed opinions and continue to believe the lies that it works better. Well, bless their hearts.

 

The only way to know is to test.  All of my systems boot multiple operating systems and it immediately becomes as plain as the nose on your face which one sucks when you can reboot and run the same tests back-to-back among OS versions and watch the newer ones reveal their suckiness. It leaves no wiggle room for speculation on which one deserves the most hate. CPU and memory performance have declined and degraded with newer OS versions. Graphics performance sometimes improves and sometimes regresses. That part is inconsistent.

 

The Redmond Retards add silly gimmick features to entice gamers into running their crappy cancer OS and pray nobody notices what a steaming deep dish colon loaf it is. And, guess what? Most of the gamerboys don't notice. No, my surprised look is not on my face. Us old farts know what we're talking about most of the time. Windows 11 is a pile of crap. 

 

Even Jufus the potty mouth has documented that the claims that newer versions of Winduhz run better is a load of crap. Even as recently as the 9900/9950X release he debunked the excuses that AMD fanboys were making that Windoze 11 needed an update for the new CPU to work right. I generally view the opinion that newer OSes work better as a sign of inexperience and ignorance. Some smart people believe that and it is probably because they make assumptions rather than exercising due dilligence and testing, or they are not doing the right tests.

 

Even if the latest cancer OS performed exactly the same as every version before it, who wants to own a zombie computer and have the Redmond Reprobates stealing data and making all of the decisions about what happens with the OS? Hard to believe there are many otherwise intelligent people that drink that Kool-Aid. Letting Micro$oft decide what happens is essentially a plan for failure if you like the idea of having a system perform at its best. Believing the next update or version release of Winduhz will improve performance is utterly insane, and contrary to historical evidence that suggests the complete opposite should be expected.

  

12 hours ago, Reciever said:

Looks like the 9800x3D is the only interesting launch this cycle. The rest appear to be duds from both camps. Told a gamer bud of mine that he needs to jump on it before the price soars past the msrp. I believe he's on a 9700k currently. 

 

Been lurking as I've been working 60 hour weeks the only thing I get to do is continue building up my intranet as parts come in (moving from wifi to 10G ethernet/fiber) and maybe 20-30min of a game here or there. 

It will be interesting to play with the 9950X and discover what my opinion will be in the end. Parts arrived yesterday so I will install them today or tomorrow.

 

I'm not sold on 3D v-cache being all that, but probably because I am not a gamer and don't value that as much as gamers do. It is good that 9800X3D is not as terrible at productivity as its predecessor. The idea of buying an 8-core CPU doesn't really do anything for me other than invoking a feeling of disgust. That seems very lame to me by current standards, kind of like saying 8GB of RAM is enough. It might work, but it's barely adequate for much more than email and web surfing.

 

For the same reason, I was offended that the Core Ultra 9 flagship was downgraded to 24 threads from its predecessor's 32-thread i9 flagship and I didn't like the 285K before it released for that reason alone. I was surprised that it didn't perform worse than it does, but losing 8 threads and having lower boost clocks with less P-core overclock headroom is a downgrade to me no matter what angle I choose to look at it. It would be hard for me to find something to be happy about because of both of those things. I never like the concept of doing more with less. That always rubs me the wrong way no matter where the concept is applied.

---

Looks like I lucked out on the 9950X purchase. It is now sold out at NewEgg and I purchased it for $110 less than launch price.

 

Maybe Core Ultra 9 adopters will get lucky with a similar price drop in a couple of months.

[Mr. Fox]

Newer is always better newer

[Papusan]

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Maybe Core Ultra 9 adopters will get lucky with a similar price drop in a couple of months.

 

Depends. Not easy to sell a flop regardless of its cheaper or not. It has to be damn cheap. Very cheap. Aka a huge price drop. Even then I won't buy it. Intel need a radical change on how they design/make their processors. You won't get big profits from the cheaper way to make it if the product isn't good enough. 

 

This below will be peanuts against the awful numbers we will see coming from Intel after the Arrow lake flop. Intel need to go back to its roots and start make processors from an single monolithic die and scrap the idea with loads of tiles (included dummy tiles) to make processors similar the AMD way. No point in making processors people don't want or refuse to buy.

 

AMD's desktop CPU market share jumps by nearly 10% in a year, all at the expense of poor old Intel

 

This most recent quarter saw AMD snag an additional 5% desktop market share from Intel, the biggest quarterly jump in at least a decade. If this carries on much long, those doom-laden narratives around Intel will be much closer to reality.

 

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I know a lot of people think brother @Papusan and @Mr. Fox are bat-poop crazy for hating on Winduhz 11 so hard, especially newer versions, (also including the newer Windoze 10 cancer,) but we actually do our homework.

 

Spot on. I don't want to deal with the latest and greatest. Microsoft will never ever manage to make Windows 11 better. And all new changes will only transform into more bugs. 

 

CrowdStrike, Microsoft, Windows, app issues, and crashing, are making headlines again

 

This time, an issue with Windows 11 24H2 is causing apps like Microsoft Office to hang or crash. Windows 11 24H2 is one of the most significant updates to the operating system to date, with Microsoft calling it a full OS swap, so teething issues are expected. And, yes, one of the teething issues involves the CrowdStrike Falcon sensor.

 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Newer is always better newer

 

Also Nvidia made new changes to their services. And newer is always better as you know... NVIDIA GeForce NOW with 100 hour limit

 

NVIDIA says this change was necessary to keep prices stable and will lock pricing for the foreseeable future. However, the 100-hour limit may feel restrictive for some gamers who play more intensively, especially on weekends.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Intel need to go back to its roots and start make processors from an single monolithic die and scrap the idea with loads of tiles (included dummy tiles) to make processors similar the AMD way. No point in making processors people don't want.

 

AMD's desktop CPU market share jumps by nearly 10% in a year, all at the expense of poor old Intel

I agree with you. The trouble is that if you do not want a CPU made with the glued together tiled mess from Intel you are left with the same kind of undesirable contraption from AMD. So, there is no alternative and no solution to that issue unless you stick with older tech built on the superior monolithic design. 😑 Thus, I went with Ryzen 9, not Core Ultra 9. Neither one ideal, but the Intel part is the weaker and immature (needing more work) product now. Had they released a 32 thread 285K the weaker part would not be true, but there would still be the guinea pig experience to contend with. Being an early adopter of anything is usually not a smart move. You must choose if you prefer vomiting or diarrhea. At least you get to choose the form of malaise. 😑

 

[Papusan]

 

We'll see what R. Hallock will have to say about the newly introduced flop from Intel. Live within minutes.

 

Intel prefer make cheaper consumer processors without HT. This will save costs and space on the compute die tile. Sad direction.

 

Edit.

 

Intel announces Arrow Lake fix coming within a month — Robert Hallock confirms poor gaming performance is due to optimization issues

 

Despite this memory latency issue, Hallock confirmed to HotHardware that Arrow Lake's gaming performance regression compared to Raptor Lake was not related to memory latency, nor was it caused by Intel's decision to swap to a tile-based architecture. Instead, Arrow Lake's underwhelming gaming performance was caused by tuning and optimization issues. 

 

According to Hallock, Arrow Lake's performance from third-party reviewers did not align with what Intel saw in its internal testing. Hallock noted a massive disconnect between third-party review performance and Intel's internal testing. 

 

Intel is purportedly working on a large internal response to fix these issues. Hallock did not describe in detail the exact issues that are plaguing Arrow Lake's performance scores, but he did say that Intel will undergo a full audit that explains exactly what went wrong with the launch of Arrow Lake and an outline of what the company is going to do to fix it. 

[Raiderman]

17 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I know a lot of people think brother @Papusan and @Mr. Fox are bat-poop crazy for hating on Winduhz 11 so hard, especially newer versions, (also including the newer Windoze 10 cancer,) but we actually do our homework. If performance was better we would actually be using it as our preferred OS. The ugly part is subjective and fixable. Try as we may, people are still going to think we are nuts and form their own misinformed opinions and continue to believe the lies that it works better. Well, bless their hearts.

 

The only way to know is to test.  All of my systems boot multiple operating systems and it immediately becomes as plain as the nose on your face which one sucks when you can reboot and run the same tests back-to-back among OS versions and watch the newer ones reveal their suckiness. It leaves no wiggle room for speculation on which one deserves the most hate. CPU and memory performance have declined and degraded with newer OS versions. Graphics performance sometimes improves and sometimes regresses. That part is inconsistent.

 

The Redmond Retards add silly gimmick features to entice gamers into running their crappy cancer OS and pray nobody notices what a steaming deep dish colon loaf it is. And, guess what? Most of the gamerboys don't notice. No, my surprised look is not on my face. Us old farts know what we're talking about most of the time. Windows 11 is a pile of crap. 

 

Even Jufus the potty mouth has documented that the claims that newer versions of Winduhz run better is a load of crap. Even as recently as the 9900/9950X release he debunked the excuses that AMD fanboys were making that Windoze 11 needed an update for the new CPU to work right. I generally view the opinion that newer OSes work better as a sign of inexperience and ignorance. Some smart people believe that and it is probably because they make assumptions rather than exercising due dilligence and testing, or they are not doing the right tests.

 

Even if the latest cancer OS performed exactly the same as every version before it, who wants to own a zombie computer and have the Redmond Reprobates stealing data and making all of the decisions about what happens with the OS? Hard to believe there are many otherwise intelligent people that drink that Kool-Aid. Letting Micro$oft decide what happens is essentially a plan for failure if you like the idea of having a system perform at its best. Believing the next update or version release of Winduhz will improve performance is utterly insane, and contrary to historical evidence that suggests the complete opposite should be expected.

  

It will be interesting to play with the 9950X and discover what my opinion will be in the end. Parts arrived yesterday so I will install them today or tomorrow.

 

I'm not sold on 3D v-cache being all that, but probably because I am not a gamer and don't value that as much as gamers do. It is good that 9800X3D is not as terrible at productivity as its predecessor. The idea of buying an 8-core CPU doesn't really do anything for me other than invoking a feeling of disgust. That seems very lame to me by current standards, kind of like saying 8GB of RAM is enough. It might work, but it's barely adequate for much more than email and web surfing.

 

For the same reason, I was offended that the Core Ultra 9 flagship was downgraded to 24 threads from its predecessor's 32-thread i9 flagship and I didn't like the 285K before it released for that reason alone. I was surprised that it didn't perform worse than it does, but losing 8 threads and having lower boost clocks with less P-core overclock headroom is a downgrade to me no matter what angle I choose to look at it. It would be hard for me to find something to be happy about because of both of those things. I never like the concept of doing more with less. That always rubs me the wrong way no matter where the concept is applied.

---

Looks like I lucked out on the 9950X purchase. It is now sold out at NewEgg and I purchased it for $110 less than launch price.

 

Maybe Core Ultra 9 adopters will get lucky with a similar price drop in a couple of months.

Here's to hoping you get that 9950X screaming. My lack of time has made it impossible for me to tweak/test nary a thing with mine. I know for a fact it will get better with future bios updates!

[Reciever]

18 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I know a lot of people think brother @Papusan and @Mr. Fox are bat-poop crazy for hating on Winduhz 11 so hard, especially newer versions, (also including the newer Windoze 10 cancer,) but we actually do our homework. If performance was better we would actually be using it as our preferred OS. The ugly part is subjective and fixable. Try as we may, people are still going to think we are nuts and form their own misinformed opinions and continue to believe the lies that it works better. Well, bless their hearts.

 

The only way to know is to test.  All of my systems boot multiple operating systems and it immediately becomes as plain as the nose on your face which one sucks when you can reboot and run the same tests back-to-back among OS versions and watch the newer ones reveal their suckiness. It leaves no wiggle room for speculation on which one deserves the most hate. CPU and memory performance have declined and degraded with newer OS versions. Graphics performance sometimes improves and sometimes regresses. That part is inconsistent.

 

The Redmond Retards add silly gimmick features to entice gamers into running their crappy cancer OS and pray nobody notices what a steaming deep dish colon loaf it is. And, guess what? Most of the gamerboys don't notice. No, my surprised look is not on my face. Us old farts know what we're talking about most of the time. Windows 11 is a pile of crap. 

 

Even Jufus the potty mouth has documented that the claims that newer versions of Winduhz run better is a load of crap. Even as recently as the 9900/9950X release he debunked the excuses that AMD fanboys were making that Windoze 11 needed an update for the new CPU to work right. I generally view the opinion that newer OSes work better as a sign of inexperience and ignorance. Some smart people believe that and it is probably because they make assumptions rather than exercising due dilligence and testing, or they are not doing the right tests.

 

Even if the latest cancer OS performed exactly the same as every version before it, who wants to own a zombie computer and have the Redmond Reprobates stealing data and making all of the decisions about what happens with the OS? Hard to believe there are many otherwise intelligent people that drink that Kool-Aid. Letting Micro$oft decide what happens is essentially a plan for failure if you like the idea of having a system perform at its best. Believing the next update or version release of Winduhz will improve performance is utterly insane, and contrary to historical evidence that suggests the complete opposite should be expected.

  

It will be interesting to play with the 9950X and discover what my opinion will be in the end. Parts arrived yesterday so I will install them today or tomorrow.

 

I'm not sold on 3D v-cache being all that, but probably because I am not a gamer and don't value that as much as gamers do. It is good that 9800X3D is not as terrible at productivity as its predecessor. The idea of buying an 8-core CPU doesn't really do anything for me other than invoking a feeling of disgust. That seems very lame to me by current standards, kind of like saying 8GB of RAM is enough. It might work, but it's barely adequate for much more than email and web surfing.

 

For the same reason, I was offended that the Core Ultra 9 flagship was downgraded to 24 threads from its predecessor's 32-thread i9 flagship and I didn't like the 285K before it released for that reason alone. I was surprised that it didn't perform worse than it does, but losing 8 threads and having lower boost clocks with less P-core overclock headroom is a downgrade to me no matter what angle I choose to look at it. It would be hard for me to find something to be happy about because of both of those things. I never like the concept of doing more with less. That always rubs me the wrong way no matter where the concept is applied.

---

Looks like I lucked out on the 9950X purchase. It is now sold out at NewEgg and I purchased it for $110 less than launch price.

 

Maybe Core Ultra 9 adopters will get lucky with a similar price drop in a couple of months.

I agree with your position. Its always only pretty much games that benefit from the larger than norm amounts of cache. This was observed waaaay back in the 5th generation Intel as well as 4980HQ. It was only a couple of reviews that observed the difference in maybe 1-2 titles at the time and declared it an anomaly. Whats more interesting about the 9800X3D is that its finally unlocked vs my 5800X3D which is locked to 4.45Ghz. That all being said its a gaming focused chip. 

What I would like to see is something akin to mass market products (R3/R5/R7), give the gamers their halo product purely for gaming which gets the word around and the enthusiast halo product to push the limits of potential. This would undoubtedly shoot prices up for the enthusiast products as it would in all likelihood means only one thing,

 

HEDT.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Here's to hoping you get that 9950X screaming. My lack of time has made it impossible for me to tweak/test nary a thing with mine. I know for a fact it will get better with future bios updates!

I am trying to get the memory overclock figured out. The motherboard will not boot with 24GB sticks and doing more research it seems there are very few 48GB memory kits that are compatible with Ryzen. The MSI QVC shows modules tested as compatible that I cannot find for sale. So, right now I am using an old G.SKILL XMP 7200 32GB kit with no Expo profile. The XMP will not boot, but using the MSI 7200 profile it does. This is going to take me a while to figure out. I may end up having to purchase a newer/compatible memory kit later on.

 

It looks like it is easily doing 45K in Cinebench R23 with no CPU overclock, just PBO enabled.

  

On 11/6/2024 at 4:59 AM, cylix said:

Sadly that depends from board to board. The Gigabyte x870e Aours Pro Ice, which i wanted beacuse of the white color has 4 slots but.

1x PCI Express x16 slot (PCIEX16), integrated in the CPU:
AMD Ryzen™ 9000/7000 Series Processors support PCIe 5.0 x16 mode
* The M2B_CPU and M2C_CPU connectors share bandwidth with the PCIEX16 slot.When theM2B_CPU orM2C_CPU connector is populated, the PCIEX16 slot operates at up to x8 mode.

 

so it looks if u have one drive in any of those other 2 slots (M2B and and M2C) the pciex 16 gpu slot will operate at x8 only..

FYI - on the X870E Carbon I can use the PCIe 5.0 slot above the CPU and the GPU works at x16, but if I populate that and the first (PCIe 5.0) M.2 slot under the GPU with any kind of NVMe the GPU drops to x8. So, same as the Encore, I have one M.2 slot that is unusable unless I want to castrate the GPU.

 

[Clamibot]

Update on my shenanigans:

1.52v on the RAM was not enough to stabilize my memory overclock. It appeared to be stable but crashed. I tried 1.53v and it still crashed, but took far longer. 1.54v has not crashed after an entire work day doing heavy multiplayer testing on our newest VR basketball title. I'll consider this stable as I was also able to load Mass Effect Andromeda without my system crashing, which usually means my CPU or memory overclock is stable as loading onto that game is a very CPU and memory intensive process.

 

4200 MHz CL15 DDR4 on a 4 DIMM board is pretty impressive. I don't know if I want to take the IMC voltage any higher than 1.5v long term, but I know these current voltages on the memory and IMC are for sure safe long term.

 

Heh screw it, I'll allow up to 1.55v on the IMC and 1.6v on the memory. Nothing should go wrong, right?🤪

 

I'm begrudgingly going to be moving to a WIndows 10 22H2 install due to software incompatibilities starting to creep up on me. The WindowsXLite downloads brother @Mr. Fox linked me to seems like they'll perform as well as my 2019 LTSC install, so I'll be satisfied if that's the case. I'm happy windows 10 support will be ending soon ish because I don't want any more dang updates! They're incredibly annoying, and my computers always get these updates and force install them when I'm using the machine, usually in the middle of me working or playing a game. I know that's not supposed to happen, it's supposed to update when I'm away from my machines, but it updates during active use for me, so I'll be really happy when the updates stop for good. The updates don't ever contain anything I care about anyway.

 

Having tested multiple versions of windows myself in games, I can confirm that all this marketing surrounding windows 11 is complete BS. I've tested on multiple laptops, a desktop, and my Legion Go. My framerates are around 20% higher in windows 10 LTSC vs windows 11 across all those devices. It does depend on the game, but that's the performance increase I found on average, with most of my newer games showing a slightly greater than 20% increase in framerates.

 

I'm hoping WindowsXLite Optimum 10 classic gives me that LTSC grade performance. You all know I will be doing my game benchmarks to compare. This is gonna be a fun weekend.

[cylix]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am trying to get the memory overclock figured out. The motherboard will not boot with 24GB sticks and doing more research it seems there are very few 48GB memory kits that are compatible with Ryzen. The MSI QVC shows modules tested as compatible that I cannot find for sale. So, right now I am using an old G.SKILL XMP 7200 32GB kit with no Expo profile. The XMP will not boot, but using the MSI 7200 profile it does. This is going to take me a while to figure out. I may end up having to purchase a newer/compatible memory kit later on.

 

It looks like it is easily doing 45K in Cinebench R23 with no CPU overclock, just PBO enabled.

  

FYI - on the X870E Carbon I can use the PCIe 5.0 slot above the CPU and the GPU works at x16, but if I populate that and the first (PCIe 5.0) M.2 slot under the GPU with any kind of NVMe the GPU drops to x8. So, same as the Encore, I have one M.2 slot that is unusable unless I want to castrate the GPU.

 

Yes this a stupid decision from AMD and almost all board partners to cut pcie lanes for that USB 4  that no ones uses it..

I checked and ASRock is the only one that offers full pcie lanes,  at resonable price!. MSI does have it on the godlike..

 

It looks like the ASRock 870e Nova is the best board right now. cheap, full pcie lanes, you can drive 5 nvme and still maintain x16 on the GPU and build like a tank.

 

 

[cylix]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am trying to get the memory overclock figured out. The motherboard will not boot with 24GB sticks and doing more research it seems there are very few 48GB memory kits that are compatible with Ryzen. The MSI QVC shows modules tested as compatible that I cannot find for sale. So, right now I am using an old G.SKILL XMP 7200 32GB kit with no Expo profile. The XMP will not boot, but using the MSI 7200 profile it does. This is going to take me a while to figure out. I may end up having to purchase a newer/compatible memory kit later on.

 

  Interesting and also  strange,i thought the ram compatibility  will be better on the x870 as the first gen. I have no problem on my MSI B650 with a new kit of 2x24 Gskill 7600 that i got it cheap on ebay.  its not even in the msi qvl list of the board but is working with expo 1 like a champ. Even my boot time got better with it as it was with the old 2x16 GB Kingston Fury 6000 cl32

[Meaker]

2 hours ago, cylix said:

  Interesting and also  strange,i thought the ram compatibility  will be better on the x870 as the first gen. I have no problem on my MSI B650 with a new kit of 2x24 Gskill 7600 that i got it cheap on ebay.  its not even in the msi qvl list of the board but is working with expo 1 like a champ. Even my boot time got better with it as it was with the old 2x16 GB Kingston Fury 6000 cl32

You are better trying to push 6200/6400 with matching infinity fabric clocks (2066/2133) though IIRC?

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, cylix said:

  Interesting and also  strange,i thought the ram compatibility  will be better on the x870 as the first gen. I have no problem on my MSI B650 with a new kit of 2x24 Gskill 7600 that i got it cheap on ebay.  its not even in the msi qvl list of the board but is working with expo 1 like a champ. Even my boot time got better with it as it was with the old 2x16 GB Kingston Fury 6000 cl32

Yes it it very strange. If I install the G.SKILL 8000 24x2 module and power it on it stops at Q-code 15 almost instantly with the CPU and RAM lights on. Maybe it is too early on the firmware. Or, maybe I need to RMA this motherboard and get a Taichi. I wish the Taichi Lite has the GPU release. It looks much better and I like the absence of RGB.

 

What is interesting is none of the 8000 Expo memory seems to be available. The G.SKILL Expo 8000 doesn't even release to retail until 11/11/2024, so I am guessing the reviewers on YouTube received pre-release samples.

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OK, I dropped back to the prior BIOS with an older Agesa and I can get it to run using the MSI built-in 8000 profile. It still refuses to boot with the 8000 48GB kit. It does not even try to train or anything. Instantly shows code 15 and CPU and RAM lights on within like 1 second. I am guessing the 5600 base SPD clock and timings are not Ryzen-acceptable. @cylix is the 48GB kit you bought a default (non-XMP) of 4800 or 5600?

 

I have not done any CPU tuning, just trying to figure out the memory. This seems a lot more convulted that what I am used to. I have a lot to relearn. For example, the BIOS shows the CPU clock is 4300 with everything on "Auto" but Windows shows like 5700 core clocks and it drops to like 5200 running Cinebench. Very weird and different. Without PBO enabled it runs a lot faster and gets a lot hotter.

 

Edited Saturday at 04:34 PM by Mr. Fox
Using older BIOS

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, Clamibot said:

Update on my shenanigans:

1.52v on the RAM was not enough to stabilize my memory overclock. It appeared to be stable but crashed. I tried 1.53v and it still crashed, but took far longer. 1.54v has not crashed after an entire work day doing heavy multiplayer testing on our newest VR basketball title. I'll consider this stable as I was also able to load Mass Effect Andromeda without my system crashing, which usually means my CPU or memory overclock is stable as loading onto that game is a very CPU and memory intensive process.

 

4200 MHz CL15 DDR4 on a 4 DIMM board is pretty impressive. I don't know if I want to take the IMC voltage any higher than 1.5v long term, but I know these current voltages on the memory and IMC are for sure safe long term.

 

Heh screw it, I'll allow up to 1.55v on the IMC and 1.6v on the memory. Nothing should go wrong, right?🤪

 

I'm begrudgingly going to be moving to a WIndows 10 22H2 install due to software incompatibilities starting to creep up on me. The WindowsXLite downloads brother @Mr. Fox linked me to seems like they'll perform as well as my 2019 LTSC install, so I'll be satisfied if that's the case. I'm happy windows 10 support will be ending soon ish because I don't want any more dang updates! They're incredibly annoying, and my computers always get these updates and force install them when I'm using the machine, usually in the middle of me working or playing a game. I know that's not supposed to happen, it's supposed to update when I'm away from my machines, but it updates during active use for me, so I'll be really happy when the updates stop for good. The updates don't ever contain anything I care about anyway.

 

Having tested multiple versions of windows myself in games, I can confirm that all this marketing surrounding windows 11 is complete BS. I've tested on multiple laptops, a desktop, and my Legion Go. My framerates are around 20% higher in windows 10 LTSC vs windows 11 across all those devices. It does depend on the game, but that's the performance increase I found on average, with most of my newer games showing a slightly greater than 20% increase in framerates.

 

I'm hoping WindowsXLite Optimum 10 classic gives me that LTSC grade performance. You all know I will be doing my game benchmarks to compare. This is gonna be a fun weekend.

 

Welcome to the wonderful world of "game stable" vs "true stable" for memory. If it can pass a 90 min TM5, WMD and MemTest86, it is more than enough stable for my uses. I don't need to smash my memory up against the rocks. Same goes for my CPU too. I was never one of those who basically jettisoned my CPU into the sun for hours on end to prove a point or satisfy forum members. "Nah bro, go ahead and wreck your CPU. I'll be over here using mine for what I need."

 

As for 10 vs 11, the only truth to emerge is 24H2 is better vs 11 but 10 still remains the goat and is quickly heading towards 7 goat status. 10 has such high market share because there is no compelling reason to move to 11 except M$ wants you to as they continue to slam services, ads and other garbage down your throat. It's either that or eventually for consumers they will move to a subscription model for OSes but they know consumers would balk too much at that......for now.

 

7 hours ago, cylix said:

Yes this a stupid decision from AMD and almost all board partners to cut pcie lanes for that USB 4  that no ones uses it..

I checked and ASRock is the only one that offers full pcie lanes,  at resonable price!. MSI does have it on the godlike..

 

It looks like the ASRock 870e Nova is the best board right now. cheap, full pcie lanes, you can drive 5 nvme and still maintain x16 on the GPU and build like a tank.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes it it very strange. If I install the G.SKILL 8000 24x2 module and power it on it stops at Q-code 15 almost instantly with the CPU and RAM lights on. Maybe it is too early on the firmware. Or, maybe I need to RMA this motherboard and get a Taichi. I wish the Taichi Lite has the GPU release. It looks much better and I like the absence of RGB.

 

What is interesting is none of the 8000 Expo memory seems to be available. The G.SKILL Expo 8000 doesn't even release to retail until 11/11/2024, so I am guessing the reviewers on YouTube received pre-release samples.

 

 

I actually have the Asrock x870e Taichi saved on Amazon and Newegg. It is definitely my next pick. I'm just waiting for a nice, cheap open box to pop up which may take awhile.

 

Asrock seems really committed to changing their image and place in the enthusiast market. AMD cards are monsters especially the Taichi line and the Lightning Z790i is very impressive. The Taichi looks to be a beast.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

OK, I think maybe I am starting to get the hang of things a little better. I still need to catch up with Brother @Raiderman but I'm not as lost as when I gave up around 1:30 AM and went to bed, LOL. Ryzen is still as finnicky as it was with the 5950X, but this is an improvement from where it was for sure.

 

Side note: Glad I don't give a hoot about WiFi. I guess WiFi 7 is a Winduhz 11-only piece of feces. No thanks. Stuff it, Micro$lop. 

 

@Papusan how do you like the icky new smartphone crap look of HWBOT? I submitted this and almost threw up in my mouth a little bit. Part of me wants to send a PM to Roman (der8aer) at oc.net and ask him why he allowed that. Everything is so big and bloated and ugly now. Things on the web page take up about 200% more browser space that necessary. Super idiotic.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5685453_

 

[cylix]

1 hour ago, Meaker said:

You are better trying to push 6200/6400 with matching infinity fabric clocks (2066/2133) though IIRC?

Yes that's the plan in the long run, but didnt had any time to optimize the timings and do some oc. Got the dimms only yesterday,  only had time to install them and see if they work on my platform.

 

@Mr. Fox they are 5600 on default. This is the kit that I got. I am also on an older agesa and bios.

V1E agesa 1.1.7.0

 

https://www.gskill.com/specification/165/374/1683702743/F5-7600J3852F24GX2-TZ5RK-Specification

[electrosoft]

Good shoot out for memory on 9000 series but the fact remains outside of some outliers, I called this many moons ago about 8000+ being near useless vs 6000-6400 (fclk 2000->2133, 2200 if golden) overall but still fun. 8400 is what you should shoot for to get that perfect ratio if going 2:1.