*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

They are not as hard as the high thermal rating Fujipoly pads, but they are not as soft as the squishy silicon pads. If you are using the Gelid pads on a laptop with already very weak contact pressure the Gelid Extreme pads could still be harder than ideal. For something like the X170 with screws and no springs, the Gelid Extreme pads should be very good. Not as good as the K5 Pro, but not as messy.

If you saw special in my added picture in bottom I also have K5 i tubes. But still prefer pads where it fits. All depends what’s your usage/and fits. Pad’s is always better if everything fits well. At least my experience with both stuff. And have both in hands isn’t an bad idea. 

[Mr. Fox]

27 minutes ago, Papusan said:

If you saw special in my added picture in bottom I also have K5 i tubes. But still prefer pads where it fits. All depends what’s your usage/and fits. Pad’s is always better if everything fits well. At least my experience with both stuff. And have both in hands isn’t an bad idea. 

Yes, I also prefer using pads when it doesn't require a lot of guesswork. They are much easier and cleaner to deal with. The wildcard is how sloppy laptops are made. There is almost no precision involved, and so much variance in models and brands. Even too much variance within the same model thanks to the "heat sink lottery" and you can't always trust that pads that fit on laptop #1 perfectly will also fit on laptop #2 perfectly. On desktops this it almost never a concern because the variance is less and the contact pressure is usually much higher and you can "crush" pads that are just a little bit thicker than ideal by the use of force. With laptops there is little or no force most of the time, and very little wiggle room. If the pads are too thick they are going to interfere with die contact pressure, even if they are very soft and squishy.

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, ryan said:

 

 

You must be excited, curious what that gpu will get in FS ultra....probably like 30k haha crazy card bro

 

Still on the fence with the KPE 3090ti. Mrs. says go for it which always worries me as that means there's something she wants she hasn't spoken into existence yet. 🤣 Plus I'm one of the few people that could actually use the 1600 P2 PSU as I only have a 1000w and 850w atm.

 

Total cost when all is said and done would be 2559.78 shipped from EVGA. Queue decision windows are 24hrs now vs 8hrs like before.

 

I was hoping I was later in the queue as my buddy (one I sold my SP94 12900ks to) sold his KPE3090 and Galax 3080 already and ordered his KPE 3090ti day 1 so I was wanting to play around with his for a bit.

 

Any and all queues popping so far are still day 1 sign ups within ~90min of window opening.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Reciever]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

LOOL. ALL is a absolute single threaded performance. Yep, higher memory speed for single threaded performance. Can’t beat that. Intel know how to sell in performance to compete with next gen  Ryzen chips. A very minor upgrade to make ready for 14th gen chips and new forced MB upgrade. At least you can re-use your DDR5 sticks. 
 

“Meanwhile, Intel's next-generation CPUs will gain support for DDR5-5600 memory, which will boost the processors' single-thread performance”

 

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-raptor-lake-leaked-slide-confirms-ddr5-5600-more-pcie-lanes

And you get those wimpy small baby cores together with the real Raptor cores in a single processor, LOOL

You're not supposed to say that out loud, now they are going to go for a special DDR5X route so you would need RAM as well 😮

[Mr. Fox]

23 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Still on the fence with the KPE 3090ti. Mrs. says go for it which always worries me as that means there's something she wants she hasn't spoken into existence yet. 🤣 Plus I'm one of the few people that could actually use the 1600 P2 PSU as I only have a 1000w and 850w atm.

 

Total cost when all is said and done would be 2559.78 shipped from EVGA. Queue decision windows are 24hrs now vs 8hrs like before.

 

I was hoping I was later in the queue as my buddy (one I sold my SP94 12900ks to) sold his KPE3090 and Galax 3080 already and ordered his KPE 3090ti day 1 so I was wanting to play around with his for a bit.

 

Any and all queues popping so far are still day 1 sign ups within ~90min of window opening.

That is a lot of money, so whatever it is she has not spoken into existence yet could be worrisome if it involves spending an equal amount. Maybe she wants a hand-me-down upgrade.

 

It feels strange to not have anything I want in my EVGA queue, and to not be waiting and hoping for a notification. Strange, but in a good way. The X570 Dark has been available since the week of the product launch day, but ignored because it is obviously of no interest. I added it to my queue when I was hoping to make a silk purse from the 5950X sow's ear, but made the decision to wash my hands of it before the X570 Dark became available.

 

The 3090Ti FTW3 HydroCopper and 3090 Ti KPE were in my queue and I manually removed them. The weird thing is, I do not remember adding either either of those GPUs to my notify list. Maybe I did and forgot that I did.

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is a lot of money, so whatever it is she has not spoken into existence yet could be worrisome if it involves spending an equal amount. Maybe she wants a hand-me-down upgrade.

 

It feels strange to not have anything I want in my EVGA queue, and to not be waiting and hoping for a notification. Strange, but in a good way. The X570 Dark has been available since the week of the product launch day, but ignored because it is obviously of no interest. I added it to my queue when I was hoping to make a silk purse from the 5950X sow's ear, but made the decision to wash my hands of it before the X570 Dark became available.

 

The 3090Ti FTW3 HydroCopper and 3090 Ti KPE were in my queue and I manually removed them. The weird thing is, I do not remember adding either either of those GPUs to my notify list. Maybe I did and forgot that I did.

 

She has complained about some areas being laggy and chunky at 2560x1600p with her 3070..... 🤣 I'll tell her tomorrow I went ahead and ordered it and I can almost guarantee she will asked, "What are you doing with your current GPU" 😏

 

Yeah, EVGA ended up canceling the 3090ti HC and made the KPE 3090ti a limited run (EVGA has warned as such a few times now).

 

It is an (expensive) itch I have to scratch. I won't be back for the 4000 series till potentially the 4090ti or whatever comes end game for the 4000 series. I don't think I could handle ponying up for a 4090 KPE and then a 4090ti KPE is released.

[Reciever]

45 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

She has complained about some areas being laggy and chunky at 2560x1600p with her 3070..... 🤣 I'll tell her tomorrow I went ahead and ordered it and I can almost guarantee she will asked, "What are you doing with your current GPU" 😏

 

Yeah, EVGA ended up canceling the 3090ti HC and made the KPE 3090ti a limited run (EVGA has warned as such a few times now).

 

It is an (expensive) itch I have to scratch. I won't be back for the 4000 series till potentially the 4090ti or whatever comes end game for the 4000 series. I don't think I could handle ponying up for a 4090 KPE and then a 4090ti KPE is released.

So you got maybe 1 to 1.5 years with the 3090ti then? Lol 

[Talon]

https://ibb.co/304QxnL

 

More Non-K overclocking. This time for my new living room PC I just built out of my pile of spare/old parts and a few new. My free RTX 3070 courtesy of the EVGA Buck program ending needed a new home, and the market is flooded with GPUs I figured I'd just keep it and build another rig.

[Papusan]

On 7/4/2022 at 4:06 PM, Papusan said:

Intel make a fool of themselves. Optimize for benchmarks. I wonder how far they want to go to complete in 3D mark benchmarks bs Nvidia’ and AMD. And I expect a driver mess long time forwards. 
 

For now, Intel’s APO only affects TimeSpy and Port Royal tests. With the previous driver the A380 scored 5241 points in TimeSpy Graphics test, whereas with the new driver and APO disabled the same card scores 4449 points, that’s a decrease of 15%.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-arc-gpus-lose-up-to-15-performance-in-3dmark-timespy-test-with-advanced-performance-optimizations-disabled

Read the comments section. Maybe exactly the buyers Intel want. Intel’s lead graphics designer Raya should be fired. He ruin Intel’s reputation. 

 

 

Yep, driver mess from Intel is today’s “word”. Exactly as I expect forwards from them. Maybe Intel also should have waited with own discrete graphics cards until after next gen Nvidia/AMD graphics cards relase? Aka use a second year for driver optimization? I can clearly see why they didn’t want to launch their new higher end cards with all their weird driver problems. Why not just put the money into iGPUs and continue tune drivers? The CPU package is already filled with that filthy. But, as you can see, they can’t even do that right. 
 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/edge-chrome-browsers-can-lag-on-alder-lake-pcs-due-to-gpu-driver-bug

 

”Intel has admitted a graphics driver bug that can cause severe lagging of Chromium-based web browsers on some of the systems that use the company's 12th Generation Core Alder Lake processors with UHD Graphics 770 integrated GPU. The blue giant recommends updating software, changing settings, or switching to an SSD to resolve the issue”

 

Btw… May I smell same for 4090 Ti as it was for 3090 Ti ? Hope EVGA make an difference this time vs 3090 ti and release a water block for their Ti Kingpin cards right in time before we see 5090 pop up 🙂

“Nvidia RTX 4090 may push 3 GHz and RTX 4090 Ti to debut later than expected as new details about Nvidia's "Lovelace" GPUs surface”

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-RTX-4090-may-push-3-GHz-and-RTX-4090-Ti-to-debut-later-than-expected-as-new-details-about-Nvidia-s-Lovelace-GPUs-surface.633089.0.html

[electrosoft]

15 hours ago, Reciever said:

So you got maybe 1 to 1.5 years with the 3090ti then? Lol 

 

Maybe? 🤣 We'll revisit this when the KPE 4090ti drops. 👍

 

 

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Yep, driver mess from Intel is today’s “word”. Exactly as I expect forwards from them. Maybe Intel also should have waited with own discrete graphics cards until after next gen Nvidia/AMD graphics cards relase? Aka use a second year for driver optimization? I can clearly see why they didn’t want to launch their new higher end cards with all their weird driver problems. Why not just put the money into iGPUs and continue tune drivers? The CPU package is already filled with that filthy. But, as you can see, they can’t even do that right. 
 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/edge-chrome-browsers-can-lag-on-alder-lake-pcs-due-to-gpu-driver-bug

 

”Intel has admitted a graphics driver bug that can cause severe lagging of Chromium-based web browsers on some of the systems that use the company's 12th Generation Core Alder Lake processors with UHD Graphics 770 integrated GPU. The blue giant recommends updating software, changing settings, or switching to an SSD to resolve the issue”

 

Btw… May I smell same for 4090 Ti as it was for 3090 Ti ? Hope EVGA make an difference this time vs 3090 ti and release a water block for their Ti Kingpin cards right in time before we see 5090 pop up 🙂

“Nvidia RTX 4090 may push 3 GHz and RTX 4090 Ti to debut later than expected as new details about Nvidia's "Lovelace" GPUs surface”

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-RTX-4090-may-push-3-GHz-and-RTX-4090-Ti-to-debut-later-than-expected-as-new-details-about-Nvidia-s-Lovelace-GPUs-surface.633089.0.html

 

"RedGamingTech speculates that a lot rides on “the level of competition” that Nvidia gets from AMD when it comes to the final release date of the RTX 4090 Ti. "

 

This right here. AMD being so competitive on the GPU and CPU front is a wonderful thing to keep Nvidia and Intel on their toes....

 

As for Intel...they have two left feet and no thumbs in the GPU arena.

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Maybe? 🤣 We'll revisit this when the KPE 4090ti drops. 👍

 

 

 

"RedGamingTech speculates that a lot rides on “the level of competition” that Nvidia gets from AMD when it comes to the final release date of the RTX 4090 Ti. "

 

This right here. AMD being so competitive on the GPU and CPU front is a wonderful thing to keep Nvidia and Intel on their toes....

 

As for Intel...they have two left feet and no thumbs in the GPU arena.

 

 

All is up to AMD. Can’t see Intel into this race. And expect two years cadence for Nvidia’s gen cards. If you can see what I see… Wait for 4090 ti and you’ll risk loose nearly half or 1/3rd of the arc lifespan. High competition means Nvidia will split up their high end and release their best every year. First 90 then 90 ti. Not sure if this is to the better or not. At least not for AMD or Nvidia’s userbase. You’ll lose 1/2 of the arc lifespan. Exactly as yesterday and today’s Jokebooks. No difference between Jokebooks and desktops forwards. The big winner will be Nvidia, AMD and the OEMs. Not he buyers!! And I don’t bother count in Intel. They are even too late for the mining crazyness. 

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

All is up to AMD. Can’t see Intel into this race. And expect two years cadence for Nvidia’s gen cards. If you can see what I see… Wait for 4090 ti and you’ll risk loose nearly half or 1/3rd of the arc lifespan. High competition means Nvidia will split up their high end and release their best every year. First 90 then 90 ti. Not sure if this is to the better or not. At least not for AMD or Nvidia’s userbase. You’ll lose 1/2 of the arc lifespan. Exactly as yesterday and today’s Jokebooks. No difference between Jokebooks and desktops forwards. The big winner will be Nvidia, AMD and the OEMs. Not he buyers!!

 

I agree with all of that.

 

Intel kept building hype and proceeded to fall flat on its face.

 

If the arc is ~2yrs fixed (relatively speaking) where you place yourself in that arc depends on criteria. Do you want the newest gen but only the beginning of the gen knowing better models are coming along with refinements and bug fixes and avoid most scalper like scenarios or do you place yourself at the end of the arc getting the best, most refined version of that gen?

 

I used to think about the beginning being the best place to stay on the cutting edge but this last cycle and the whole 3090 to 3090ti debacle has soured me a bit on when and where do I upgrade and why. If I resign myself to the best model of each gen it means upgrading towards the back half of a gen's life cycle. There is no way I'm going to get a 4080 let alone a 4090 knowing the 4090ti is lurking. Maybe Nvidia will triple shank us with a 4090ti Super Plus BLAMO! edition. 😏

 

And buyers are rarely the winner. The situation is just a bit brighter because AMD is forcing Intel and Nvidia to break out of their protracted product releases to optimize profits and milk consumers and instead actually release products based on competition and market forces so the consumer is losing just a hair less than before.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

The best thing that could happen would be that millions of performance PC enthusiasts and gamers would be so  disgusted with what is happening that they simply elect to not buy anything at all for 2 or 3 years and just continue using their existing products, not upgrade anything in terms of hardware as well as refuse to allow any of the latest Micro$lop OS cancer version and "feature" updates and remain in a semi-permanent holding pattern financially and physically so that the big tech Nazis can get a long, hard and painful look at how it feels to be patently rejected  by an entire segment of a target market they thought the could rely on to continue bending over and taking it in the posterior orifice. I'd love to see them all squirming, soul-searching and reflecting on their recent crimes as they look for ways to earn back the trust, respect and admiration that they used to be worthy of, and used to make them filthy rich.

[Tenoroon]

I'm seeing 3090s on Ebay go and sell for ~850-900 USD. 3070s are selling for around 450. The prices of these used cards have crashed so hard its not even funny.

I hope the prices will continue to get lower as that means older GPUs will be pushed to become cheaper and cheaper. Maybe I can build myself a decent rig here soon and demote the P870 to a secondary computer lol. 

[electrosoft]

1 minute ago, Tenoroon said:

I'm seeing 3090s on Ebay go and sell for ~850-900 USD. 3070s are selling for around 450. The prices of these used cards have crashed so hard its not even funny.

I hope the prices will continue to get lower as that means older GPUs will be pushed to become cheaper and cheaper. Maybe I can build myself a decent rig here soon and demote the P870 to a secondary computer lol. 

 

But Nvidia and the industry said it wasn't a cryptomining issue causing the shortages....remember? REMEMBER?  🙄

 

I saw oodles of 3090's sitting right around 1k languishing. Looking at a 3090 Suprim for $900 as I type.

 

Only thing is to make sure to get the serial and check the warranty and transfer-ability before buying along with making sure they haven't been tampered with. Most AIBs will be looking for any valid reason to deny warranty claims and we know most of these cards have had their memory hammered and how many 3090s had their back memory running like the sahara or GPU clocks not properly undervolted?

 

 

 

 

[Reciever]

I'm hoping eol cards will become cheaper again 

[jaybee83]

14 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I used to think about the beginning being the best place to stay on the cutting edge but this last cycle and the whole 3090 to 3090ti debacle has soured me a bit on when and where do I upgrade and why. If I resign myself to the best model of each gen it means upgrading towards the back half of a gen's life cycle. There is no way I'm going to get a 4080 let alone a 4090 knowing the 4090ti is lurking. Maybe Nvidia will triple shank us with a 4090ti Super Plus BLAMO! edition. 😏

...and there is no way im getting a 4090 Ti knowing that 5000 series is lurking around the corner just a few short months later. when looking at overall time frame, a 4090 makes more sense because itll be top dog for 1.5 years, vs. the 4090 Ti for barely 6 months (this is, of course, based on the 3000 series release cycle. if the 4090 Ti is only released shortly after the 4090 that would change things). this issue is also being complicated due to the 4090 Ti vs 4090 gap looking much larger than the current 3090 vs 3090 ti. its tricky!

and yes, this was also the first time i started considering buying the best of an outgoing generation....i.e. going for the 3090 Ti shortly after the 40 series has launched.

 

in any case, first world problems 😁

[Reciever]

Saw some thumbnails lately talking about aib's wanting 40xx delayed due to excessive stock of the 30xx. 

 

Any credibility to that claim or just click bait? 

[jaybee83]

9 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Saw some thumbnails lately talking about aib's wanting 40xx delayed due to excessive stock of the 30xx. 

 

Any credibility to that claim or just se click bait? 

rumor mill says Nvidia already postponed the 40 series launch by a month. 

 

funny thing is, they cannot push it back too much, otherwise they will fall behind AMD launching first and missing out on the "next-gen" hype 😄 dont u just love them big players getting in trouble? 😛 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

Saw some thumbnails lately talking about aib's wanting 40xx delayed due to excessive stock of the 30xx. 

 

Any credibility to that claim or just se click bait? 

All is up to Nvidia. If they are empty of 3000 series chips they will push out 40xx series chips. They don’t run charity. They run a huge business and need to show results for their shareholders. 
 

One of the reasons they probably kill of 3080@12GB cards and forcing you to buy their more expensive 3080 Ti cards. 
 

Some old info I heard before… They will offer 30xx series cards together with 40xx series cards. Can’t see this will be the outcome now, because the miners isn’t a problem anymore. They will probably have enough new cards for the gamers. Sell of the old and go with the new to compete with next gen AMD graphics cards. 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

rumor mill says Nvidia already postponed the 40 series launch by a month. 

 

funny thing is, they cannot push it back too much, otherwise they will fall behind AMD launching first and missing out on the "next-gen" hype 😄 dont u just love them big players getting in trouble? 😛 

I wonder if that would actually matter to a lot of people. Maybe it's just how brain works, but I know what I want and don't care about competing products. I will wait for what I want rather than settle for something different. So if, for example, I wanted a 4090 then I wouldn't care about what AMD was doing or when they were doing it, or whether 4090 came before or after 4080, etc 

[jaybee83]

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

I wonder if that would actually matter to a lot of people. Maybe it's just how brain works, but I know what I want and don't care about competing products. I will wait for what I want rather than settle for something different. So if, for example, I wanted a 4090 then I wouldn't care about what AMD was doing, or whether 4090 came before or after 3080.

out of reactions for today, so thumbs up to that!

 

in any case, u definitely dont think like the majority of buyers. regular joe is just impatient, so gets "whatever is available" NAO and gets instant buyers remorse after a day or so 😛 btw, ive been saving up for 2.5 years now, hows THAT FOR BEING IMPATIENT?!?!?!? *gimme newgen already* 😄 

[electrosoft]

6 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

...and there is no way im getting a 4090 Ti knowing that 5000 series is lurking around the corner just a few short months later. when looking at overall time frame, a 4090 makes more sense because itll be top dog for 1.5 years, vs. the 4090 Ti for barely 6 months (this is, of course, based on the 3000 series release cycle. if the 4090 Ti is only released shortly after the 4090 that would change things). this issue is also being complicated due to the 4090 Ti vs 4090 gap looking much larger than the current 3090 vs 3090 ti. its tricky!

and yes, this was also the first time i started considering buying the best of an outgoing generation....i.e. going for the 3090 Ti shortly after the 40 series has launched.

 

in any case, first world problems 😁

 

Basically, that's why I was trying to convey the criteria in picking your chosen spot in a product upgrade cycle switching from the beginning to the end but the spacing stays the same. There's always something right around the corner. 🤣

 

In your case, you are opting to not only start contemplating higher end GPUs but where you will purchase them in the cycle based upon your own criteria and that criteria seems to be potentially purchasing the last generation when the new generation launches.

 

Sometimes we overthink it.....just eat the pie and enjoy life. 😀

 

And as always absolutely #FWP in this forum for most members are in full effect. We are all incredibly blessed to be able to afford what really is frivolous, pricey hardware for the most part simply because we want it for leisurely pursuits (modding, overclocking, gaming, aesthetics, simple desire to have it, etc...). 

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Reciever said:

Saw some thumbnails lately talking about aib's wanting 40xx delayed due to excessive stock of the 30xx. 

 

Any credibility to that claim or just click bait? 

 

3 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

rumor mill says Nvidia already postponed the 40 series launch by a month. 

 

funny thing is, they cannot push it back too much, otherwise they will fall behind AMD launching first and missing out on the "next-gen" hype 😄 dont u just love them big players getting in trouble? 😛 

 

Based on all the leakers and Moore's Law is Dead's last video, it is valid and Nvidia is in total agreement with AIBs to push back 4000 series while the 3000 series are clogging the supply lines and so many used models are saturating the pre-owned market.

 

Interesting tidbit. I was thinking of all the Desktop GPUs I've owned ever since my very first EGA card back in the early 90s I bought from Radio Shack and I've only once bought a used GPU in my entire life and that was a KPE 1080ti because EVGA sold out of them. Not that I'm adverse to buying used it just seemed to work out that way....for over 30yrs.

 

 

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

All is up to Nvidia. If they are empty of 3000 series chips they will push out 40xx series chips. They don’t run charity. They run a huge business and need to show results for their shareholders. 
 

One of the reasons they probably kill of 3080@12GB cards and forcing you to buy their more expensive 3080 Ti cards. 
 

Some old info I heard before… They will offer 30xx series cards together with 40xx series cards. Can’t see this will be the outcome now, because the miners isn’t a problem anymore. They will probably have enough new cards for the gamers. Sell of the old and go with the new to compete with next gen AMD graphics cards. 

 

Considering they are only launching the 4090 initially, that makes sense to continue to offer the 3000 series in conjunction while having their "top dog" 4090 card to thwart any AMD "winning" the benchmark wars. Considering their cyclical price jumps generation to generation, I expect the 4090 to clock in at $1699-$1899. As AMD cards hit the market release lower tier 4080 and 4070 accordingly.

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I wonder if that would actually matter to a lot of people. Maybe it's just how brain works, but I know what I want and don't care about competing products. I will wait for what I want rather than settle for something different. So if, for example, I wanted a 4090 then I wouldn't care about what AMD was doing or when they were doing it, or whether 4090 came before or after 4080, etc 

 

True, if you are only wanting Nvidia regardless of what AMD does then it doesn't matter. Any bit of potentially wanting AMD GPUs was probably thwarted by your 5950x...um....let's call it "adventure." 😅