*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

@1610ftw had a chance to run this 16" Predator Helios through some quick paces and you'll feel better (or not) to know it is a monster throttling hotbox too with the 275HX testing with CB23 thermal throttling and only scoring 31752 pulling ~145w hitting 101c.....

 

 

Mobile 5060 scores lower than my old mobile 3070ti in the NH55. The Acer users the 85w 5060 variant. 

 

 

Not sure how I can reconcile the OLED 2560x1600 resolution with a 5060 in there.....

 

 

 

[1610ftw]

17 hours ago, electrosoft said:

@1610ftw had a chance to run this 16" Predator Helios through some quick paces and you'll feel better (or not) to know it is a monster throttling hotbox too with the 275HX testing with CB23 thermal throttling and only scoring 31752 pulling ~145w hitting 101c.....

 

 

 

Mobile 5060 scores lower than my old mobile 3070ti in the NH55. The Acer users the 85w 5060 variant. 

 

 

 

Not sure how I can reconcile the OLED 2560x1600 resolution with a 5060 in there.....

 

 

 

 

Thanks man, that is indeed disappointing. I had a 3060 in my X170KM that scored almost 10000 and that was a long time ago. Not what I would call progress!

 

A QHD display and the 5060 are not a very good match when gaming, for QHD I would want the 5070 Ti for better memory, more CUDA cores and higher power limit.

 

But let's see you beat this shameful display of core temperatures ranging from 68 to 100C, despite the fans running at maximum, would be cool if you could also post yours:

 

Edit: No idea how to get the picture post directly, do I need an account with imgur?

The other sites I am still posting on just let me attach pictures directly but here we obviously still have that limit and I do not want to erase what I already posted.

 

Edit 2: Found this handy site that creates direct links for imgur:

https://imgur-direct-links.vercel.app/

 

[Papusan]

On 8/5/2025 at 7:20 PM, Papusan said:

I know. But did the Intel board know that mr. Lip was a part of all this? The investigations have been going on for a while. I can't imagine the board didn't know. And if they didn't.... They have done a terrible job.

 

 

On 8/6/2025 at 4:23 PM, Papusan said:

If you prefer doing business with your enemy you are the bigger fish. And when you penetrate your lands security for profits you as government adm should handle the tech leaders as the biggest fish in the water. 

 

Intel’s CEO Lip-Bu Tan & His Ties With Chinese Firms Are Now Being Questioned By US Lawmakers, Saying That It Might Compromise US National Security

 

Is Intel’s New CEO Lip-Bu Tan Qualified To Run an American Business? Report Shows He Has Invested Over $200 Million+ In Hundreds Of Chinese Businesses

 

Tan and his VC firm have invested millions into Chinese chip firms

 

What I can see from all this.... Intel want a bigger bit of the Asian tech market. Hence the choice of Mr. LIP as Intel CEO. What he have done is immaterial?  Should this be swept under the rug?  Greed beat common sense.

 

 

As deserved. Intel's CEO should be fired, and the Intel board of directors should resign in shame. Hire a man for Intel's future building software and hardware stack for US defence and at same time have invested his own money in +200 Chinese tech companies is perverse. Yup, the whole Intel board should sign of in shame!!!!!

 

Trump: Called the CEO very confused – the stock is crashing

 

"Lip-Bu Tan is deeply confused and must resign immediately. There is no other solution to this problem," Trump writes with generous use of caps lock on the Truth Social platform.

 

Trump calls for Intel CEO to resign

 

 

Yep. I still stand with my words... This can't wait. 

 

As I pointed out in previous post..... If you prefer doing business with your enemy you are the bigger fish. And when you penetrate your lands security for profits you as government adm should handle the tech leaders as the biggest fish in the water.  

 

On 7/20/2025 at 1:59 AM, Papusan said:

@Mr. Fox Nothing amaze me anymore. How was this below even possible at all? Why can the bosses/chiefs at Microsoft, their partners and goverment bureaucrats that follow up such work still be hired after something like this? All of them should be fired.... Yesterday.

 

Microsoft to stop using engineers in China to work on U.S. Defense computer systems in wake of investigative report

 

And what with Nadella and Microsoft corp? He and the whole board should be fired/resign as well!!! Maybe fire Nadell before they live the board of executives. In shame.

[1610ftw]

20 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

How much memory and storage does yours have installed? Maybe the temps with it maxed out could be higher than if it is only two SODIMMs and a single SSD.

 

I could definitely believe quality control variance with the heatsink exists. Those should be using PTM7958SP from the factory along with their special VRAM putty. If yours has the 5070Ti mobile then I would also wonder if its using the same heatsink part as the 5080/5090 mobile variants.

 

The latest one I have preordered is a Dell Pro Max 18 Plus. If it performs as listed on its spec sheet it could be a solid machine. Even better if their memory is set to gear2 when using 2x16GB instead of the aweful gear4 that the X580 and all other 2DPC laptops use.

 

The lower core temps seemed fine with one SSD and 4 memory sticks, but after your post I wanted to make sure and went down to two memory sticks in slot 2 and 3 - no change unfortunately. Only having three instead of four screws for the CPU part of the heatsink probably doesn't help.

 

The heatsink is the same as the one in your pictures and here so that should be OK:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/schenker-key-18-pro-e25-3/5.html

 

Waiting now to hear from the reseller.

 

That Dell Pro Max 18 Plus (naming inspired by Apple?) looks nice and I would have considered it if they had regular memory - but then you probably would have avoided it so now I look forward to hear how you like yours. Did you order it with the 5090?

 

Regarding gear2 and 4 I completely agree - it is a very unfortunate limitation and I would hope that somebody can come up with a way to make switching between the two options possible, at least when only using two memory sticks.

[electrosoft]

22 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

The latest one I have preordered is a Dell Pro Max 18 Plus. If it performs as listed on its spec sheet it could be a solid machine. Even better if their memory is set to gear2 when using 2x16GB instead of the aweful gear4 that the X580 and all other 2DPC laptops use.

 

Which config did you go with? That thing looks like the Alienware 18 on steroids! I didn't know about the G4 BS for 2DPC Ultra laptops....yuck.

 

10 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Thanks man, that is indeed disappointing. I had a 3060 in my X170KM that scored almost 10000 and that was a long time ago. Not what I would call progress!

 

A QHD display and the 5060 are not a very good match when gaming, for QHD I would want the 5070 Ti for better memory, more CUDA cores and higher power limit.

 

But let's see you beat this shameful display of core temperatures ranging from 68 to 100C, despite the fans running at maximum, would be cool if you could also post yours:

https://imgur.com/trcIDtF

 

Edit: No idea how to get the picture post directly, do I need an account with imgur?

The other sites I am still posting on just let me attach pictures directly but here we obviously still have that limit and I do not want to erase what I already posted.

 

Yeah, not doing backflips over the gpu score. Problem is Acer (yet again) went with a lower power variant. Temps are.....ok on the GPU but the performance is not great overall.  It is going to chug at native resolution though 1600p is going to bury it. It is meant for 1080p with modern games.

 

There is a lot of bloatware installed so I'll be giving it a clean install to wipe all that away.

 

To make your image post, use the "Direct Link" option to copy and paste....

 

Here is a "cold" run first on boot with the Acer. Unlike your system with a wide variance, ALL my cores are within 10c of each other (88c-98c) with most of them pegged at 98c both E and P cores. So for your system it looks like a heatsink/thermal application issue definitely.

 

First run ~33k still around 145w cap:

 

 

by the third run, score is down to 26k and falling....

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Microsoft getting help from game devs to throw fully functioning hardware to the landfill. How much did Redmond HQ pay them for this? 10 boxes of bananas?🙄

 

Black Ops 7 requires both TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot on PC

 

"Neither TPM 2.0 nor Secure Boot are required to play currently available Call of Duty titles; however, both will be required when Call of Duty®: Black Ops 7 launches in 2025. Keeping these settings enabled ensures a fair and fun experience for all players."

 

Call of Duty Black Ops 7 and Battlefield 6 Confirmed to Require Secure Boot and TPM 2.0

 

Both the upcoming online multiplayer shooters, "Call of Duty Black Ops 7" and "Battlefield 6," will feature anti-cheat and DRM measures that require Secure Boot. Activision, in a blog post on its Ricochet Anti-Cheat mechanism, confirmed that it will be a system requirement for the PC platform to have Secure Boot enabled, in addition to features such as a TPM 2.0 compatible hardware root of trust, including support for PCRs, sealing and binding. This would be the standard security policy for a fresh installation of Windows 11 24H2. Unlike "Battlefield 6," the latest "Call of Duty" doesn't seem to call for Virtualization-based Security (VBS) to be enabled. It's not just "Black Ops 7," even the current "Call of Duty Black Ops 6" starting with its Season 5 update, and "Warzone," will begin enforcing these new system requirements, since Activision will be updating the Ricochet Anti-Cheat component of those games.

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

What with Black Ops 6 ? Microsoft getting help from game devs. How much did Redmond HQ pay them for this? 

 

Black Ops 7 requires both TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot on PC

 

"Neither TPM 2.0 nor Secure Boot are required to play currently available Call of Duty titles; however, both will be required when Call of Duty®: Black Ops 7 launches in 2025. Keeping these settings enabled ensures a fair and fun experience for all players."

This does not apply to Black Ops 6. I have that and it works fine. I never enable TPM or Secure Boot, and furthermore, I never plan to enable that filth. My response to the Redmond Retards is...

 

I guess it is not enough for Windows to be turned into unacceptable trash by its creator. Game Devs are deliberately turning their games into garbage, too. They are bowing to their demon-god Micro$oft and committing hara kiri. Sucks to be them. I know I am not alone in saying I will never knowingly purchase a piece of trash game or other software that requires TPM or Secure Boot filth.

 

[win32asmguy]

42 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Which config did you go with? That thing looks like the Alienware 18 on steroids! I didn't know about the G4 BS for 2DPC Ultra laptops....yuck.

 

It's just a 285hx with the RTX 5000 blackwell, and a single sodimm. Everything else a base spec. It finally has a vapor chamber and three full sized fans so it should do better than the previous generation.

[1610ftw]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Yeah, not doing backflips over the gpu score. Problem is Acer (yet again) went with a lower power variant. Temps are.....ok on the GPU but the performance is not great overall.  It is going to chug at native resolution though 1600p is going to bury it. It is meant for 1080p with modern games.

 

There is a lot of bloatware installed so I'll be giving it a clean install to wipe all that away.

 

To make your image post, use the "Direct Link" option to copy and paste....

 

Here is a "cold" run first on boot with the Acer. Unlike your system with a wide variance, ALL my cores are within 10c of each other (88c-98c) with most of them pegged at 98c both E and P cores. So for your system it looks like a heatsink/thermal application issue definitely.

 

First run ~33k still around 145w cap:

 

 

 

by the third run, score is down to 26k and falling....

 

 

 

Thanks, that third run looks rather pathetic!

 

I imagine temperature differences would be a bit higher if it wasn't for thermal throttling but still not nearly as high as with mine.

 

Clearly there is little to be gained from running the CPU at 145W. Probably closer to 120W are needed to avoid excessive thermal throttling.

 

 

[Papusan]

 

Asus premium is awful. But they ain't alone scam you. They are just the worst company of them all. Look at this madness... Not that nvidia is much better going from $1000 to $2000 USD within 4 gen graphics cards.

 

What to expect in the future from Nvidia and their AIB partners.... Cross flashing will fade away to justify the price premium.

 

But look at the price premium for custom 5090 over previous gen custom 4090s. With the huge price premium over MSRP cards then expect cross flashing of firmware won't last forever. This loophole will be properly plugged. That's their (nvidia with their partners) next goal for their paying customers screwed. Firmware is their "golden ticket" for higher premium.

 

 

 

 

Older Intel Raptor lake is still an good option for newer games. But the old Intel use a lot power😀

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Asus premium is awful. But they ain't alone scam you. They are just the worst company of them. Look at this madness. Not that nvidia is much better going from $1000 to $2000 USD within 4 gen graphics cards.

 

What to expect in the future from Nvidia and their AIB partners.... Cross flashing will fade away to justify the price premium.

 

But look at the price premium for custom 5090 over previous gen custom 4090s. With the huge price premium over MSRP cards then expect cross flashing of firmware won't last forever. This loophole will be properly plugged. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The A$uS tax is alive and well and even growing.....

 

Top  gear MSRP from Asus....

 

 

$450+ for an AIO....

$1k+ for a MB....

$700+ for a PSU

$3359 for the Astral fits right into that pricing....

 

MSI is trying hard to be like Asus lately too with their pricing.....

 

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Older Intel Raptor lake is still an good option for newer games. But the old Intel use a lot power😀

 

 

Damn right it is.....

 

Still holding onto that SP109 14900KS because I know it can do 59/45/50 all day everyday for gaming on an AIO..... it has my 9070xt capped out in WoW at 1440p quite nicely on the wife's system. I'll probably never let it go and have it drive the wifey's system for quite some time. 

 

I might pick up an EVGA Dark Z690 or Z790 to fully complete her "Ode to EVGA" system when they are dirt cheap because I will say having run that 14900KS tuned on a Z790i lightning with TG 8400 DDR5 for quite some time tuned that DDR4 with the same 9070xt  is now noticeably  inferior even tuned 4000 CL15 or 4200 CL16 tight.

 

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Dude is always hustling to sell his bundles or "PC Optimization classes"

Monthly fees to join his discord....

Plenty of other tiers: $10/$20/$40/$75 per month

 

$750/yr tier also gets you access to his PC Optimization class....

 

Or the class on its own for ~$400.....

 

FC 48GB or 32GB DDR5 kits for $500.....

 

$100 "another chance" to get unbanned from the community if you were banned....

 

MAX fps build lists with affiliated links....

 

$500 consults on your hardware.....

 

Sheesh, dude is probably making a killing. Expect merch sooner than later on top of it.

 

Still watch his videos though.... 🤣

 

[Mr. Fox]

I watched Jay's video a couple of hours ago. He is right. Paying multiple hundreds of dollars more for a brand or "special" model GPU that has very little or nothing to offer that matters is so silly. Paying more for a fancier model or a certain brand makes less sense than it ever has before. Paying more for a GPU with RGB is sort of ironic because not having RGB rainbow puke is a valuable benefit to many of us. I think all of the GPUs (AMD, NVIDIA and Intel) that have no RGB are more aesthetically pleasing.

[jaybee83]

8 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Dude is always hustling to sell his bundles or "PC Optimization classes"

Monthly fees to join his discord....

Plenty of other tiers: $10/$20/$40/$75 per month

 

$750/yr tier also gets you access to his PC Optimization class....

 

Or the class on its own for ~$400.....

 

FC 48GB or 32GB DDR5 kits for $500.....

 

$100 "another chance" to get unbanned from the community if you were banned....

 

MAX fps build lists with affiliated links....

 

$500 consults on your hardware.....

 

Sheesh, dude is probably making a killing. Expect merch sooner than later on top of it.

 

Still watch his videos though.... 🤣

 

this. due to his always present agenda its difficult not to watch any of his vids and believe his "independent media" stance. sure, independent from external sponsors, but the motivation for bias in any kind of hardware testing or benchmarking is BIG when u offer these "optimization classes" for specific kind of CPUs/GPUs.

[Papusan]

17 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

This does not apply to Black Ops 6. I have that and it works fine. I never enable TPM or Secure Boot, and furthermore, I never plan to enable that filth.

 

Game Devs are deliberately turning their games into garbage, too. They are bowing to their demon-god Micro$oft and committing hara kiri. Sucks to be them. I know I am not alone in saying I will never knowingly purchase a piece of trash game or other software that requires TPM or Secure Boot filth.

 

 

 

Does this sound good to your ears?😀

 

Battlefield 6 Secure Boot requirement is causing more negative Battlefield 2042 Steam reviews

 

 

Ryzen 9000X3D with Dual X3D CCDs Reportedly Does Not Exist; Such a CPU Could Only Bring About 4% Boost in Performance

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Does this sound good to your ears?😀
 

Battlefield 6 Secure Boot requirement is causing more negative Battlefield 2042 Steam reviews

 

It makes me happy that people are complaining and leaving negative reviews, and I hope the decision to use an anti-cheat that requires enabling things like Secure Boot and TPM causes severe financial harm, up to and including insolvency, for game developers that choose to go down that Nazi control freak path. It is interesting that the article says it is a requirement for BF 2042 because it runs fine for me without it. I would never play it if I had to enable Secure Boot. I am not sure if that is wrong information or something else. I do not engage in online multi-player gaming, so maybe that is why I have not had any issues.

 

It is an unacceptable requirement for Windows or any other software. It is none of their business and an overstepping of boundaries and an abuse of control to require it for the operating system or any other software. I can only wish for very bad things to happen for any company that does this. In my opinion, in doing so they forfeit the privilege for their company to exist or turn a profit and they deserve whatever misfortune comes their way.

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It is an unacceptable requirement for Windows or any other software. It is none of their business and an overstepping of boundaries and an abuse of control to require it for the operating system or any other software. I can only wish for very bad things to happen for any company that does this. In my opinion, in doing so they forfeit the privilege for their company to exist or turn a profit and they deserve whatever misfortune comes their way.

 

Microsoft give a damn what you or other think they should do. This is Microsoft requirements for the offer of free 1 year of security updates for Windows 10. Give us all your data and privacy even if you pay and your old Windows OS is safe the next 12-15 months. Great trade? Stupids.

 

Microsoft says that the ESU is tied to your Microsoft account. 

Windows 10 extended security updates now require a Microsoft account

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Microsoft give a damn what you or other think they should do. This is Microsoft requirements for the offer of free 1 year of security updates for Windows 10. Give us all your data and privacy even if you pay and your old Windows OS is safe the next 12-15 months. Great trade? Stupids.

 

Windows 10 extended security updates now require a Microsoft account

 

 

Yes you are exactly right. They do not care. And that's why we should not care what they think or want. The problem is that we will all get to have whatever the complicit lowest common denominators and bottom feeders are willing to put up with. So it is up to us to decide whether we are willing to comply or not. My choice is to be non-compliant and enjoy being non-compliant when I do not respect the position of a party that wants to control me or decide how I do things. If I can find a way to do things the way I want to do them I do not care (or even bother to consider) if I have their approval or not. It helps whenever you can view their products and services as unnecessary and expendable. It becomes problematic when you lose the option of making your own decisions, or you believe you have no options and choose to fall in line because resistance is too inconvenient. When that happens we have only ourselves to blame for being complicit.

[electrosoft]

15 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I watched Jay's video a couple of hours ago. He is right. Paying multiple hundreds of dollars more for a brand or "special" model GPU that has very little or nothing to offer that matters is so silly. Paying more for a fancier model or a certain brand makes less sense than it ever has before. Paying more for a GPU with RGB is sort of ironic because not having RGB rainbow puke is a valuable benefit to many of us. I think all of the GPUs (AMD, NVIDIA and Intel) that have no RGB are more aesthetically pleasing.

 

Yeah I've hit a personal wall in GPU pricing. When you're paying 2-3x the amount of all your other components just for the GPU, something has to give.

 

Remember when the golden rule before was to grab the cheapest model and block it for those who run CLs?

 

I'm ok with RGB as long as I can adjust or turn it off. Products coming with default rainbow pretty much forces users to use their data gathering software to control it to turn it off or to something more pleasing.

 

Every RGB enabled item should ship in a default state of OFF. That should be mandatory and let the user choose if they want to turn it on.

 

 

8 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

this. due to his always present agenda its difficult not to watch any of his vids and believe his "independent media" stance. sure, independent from external sponsors, but the motivation for bias in any kind of hardware testing or benchmarking is BIG when u offer these "optimization classes" for specific kind of CPUs/GPUs.

 

Yeah, it boggles my mind that some people can not see those with an absolutely clear and selfish, narcissistic, greedy agenda that are in it profit above all else while pushing a, "trust me bro" approach and try to isolate and make themselves the purveyors of truth and default to the "misinformation" label at every opportunity to push their platform. It is PAINFUL to watch.

 

Dufus does it ALL the time....

 

8 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Does this sound good to your ears?😀

 

Battlefield 6 Secure Boot requirement is causing more negative Battlefield 2042 Steam reviews

 

 

Ryzen 9000X3D with Dual X3D CCDs Reportedly Does Not Exist; Such a CPU Could Only Bring About 4% Boost in Performance

 

I'm not a big BF fan so ah well but they use that to identify cheaters and ban their hardware primarily.

 

As for the dual X3D CCD, would have been nice to have a dual binned X3D 9950X3D but it's not the end of the world.... 🤣

 

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In 5090 news:

 

Newegg is now either offering promo codes and/or hardware tossed in to try and move cards ranging from 9700x to 7800X3D CPUs along with now MSI slashing prices on their cards.

 

Clearly no one is buying enough and as reported, stockpiles are growing.

 

Zotac Solid OC 5090 is still down to $2399.99

MSI Ventus is now down to $2499 w/ promo code

MSI Vanguard 5090 is down to $2599 with promo code

MSI Gaming Trio 5090 is down to $2799.99 and you get a free 7800X3D with it

MSI Vanguard Launch Edition (8 months later??) is down to $2799.99 and includes a keyboard(!)

Gigabyte Gaming RTX 5090 is down to $2809.99 and includes a free 7800X3D

MSI Suprim Liquid finally dropped in price by $250 and is now $2999.99

MSI Suprim Air 5090 dropped in price to $3149.99 and includes a 9700x

 

In addition, the Gigabyte Master (both white and black) and TUF OC are all down $60 (!) to $2939.99 now... those must be official as Best Buy also lowered the price on the Masters cards.

 

Everything in stock....

 

Only cards that continue to remain out of stock now are the Gigabyte AIO/WB models....

 

And of course Asus continues to not lower the price of their Astrals holding steady at $3359.99

 

Microcenter 5090 pricing continues to fall:

 

Zotacs down like Newegg, but also PNY ARGB down to $2499.99

Gigabyte 5090 gaming down to $2599.99

Like Newegg Trio down to $2649.99

Asus TUF OC down to $2799.99

 

One of the few rare times you can get overall better deals from Newegg than MC on 5090s atm with the promo codes and free hardware tossed in. 

 

Microcenter has serious markdowns on 5090 laptops....

 

That MSI 5090/285hx raider on launch was $4399.99

 

 

 

VERY glad overall (after the rush of early adopters) buyers are just flat out not buying this stuff and prices continue to trend down.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

On 8/5/2025 at 9:34 PM, Mr. Fox said:

It's possible that my foolish fetish for new hardware toys will cause me to lose objectivity and waste money on one, but at this very moment the level-headed side of me is saying no to the idea.

 

On 8/6/2025 at 6:46 PM, electrosoft said:

Basically, if you can't afford or won't pay the outlandish price of a $2k+ 5090, you either get a 9070xt/5070ti or if you want the absolute best not called a 5090 or overpriced 4090, you suck up the law of diminishing returns and get a 5080.

Curiosity got the best of me. Now I have to decide if I am going to keep it. I may not. I will decide after a few days whether or not it was actually worth buying. I am somewhat impressed but also disappointed. I have confirmed what I already believed as an observer: The value is poor.

 

Side note: it never ceases to amaze me how insanely hot every single air cooled GPU is. Even when the core and memory temps are good, the heat just pours off of these things. Whether the GPU is modest or a monster, they all throw off heat like a stinking blast furnace. It amazes me even more that so many people (the majority) are OK with that.

 

These are all stock core and memory clock runs with only the power limits maxed out. The 5090 really doesn't pull that much more power than the 4090. Both of them make the 1000W UPSes that each computer is attached to start squealing about having their capacity maxed out.

 

What is interesting about all of this is yet further confirmation of a fact that I already knew. When I am just playing for the sake of playing and not paying any degree of attention to metrics for benchmark results, the gaming experience based on what GPU is being utilized is somewhat difficult to distinguish. All of them run smooth and everything is fluid and looks close enough to the same I would never know the difference. Even the now old 3080 Turbo with decent settings (as shown below) doesn't really feel all that different than the 5090. There is no question that we are being scammed more than we might care to admit.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Curiosity got the best of me. Now I have to decide if I am going to keep it. I may not. I will decide after a few days whether or not it was actually worth buying. I am somewhat impressed but also disappointed. I have confirmed what I already believed as an observer: The value is poor.

 

Side note: it never ceases to amaze me how insanely hot every single air cooled GPU is. Even when the core and memory temps are good, the heat just pours off of these things. Whether the GPU is modest or a monster, they all throw off heat like a stinking blast furnace. It amazes me even more that so many people (the majority) are OK with that.

 

These are all stock core and memory clock runs with only the power limits maxed out. The 5090 really doesn't pull that much more power than the 4090. Both of them make the 1000W UPSes that each computer is attached to start squealing about having their capacity maxed out.

 

What is interesting about all of this is yet further confirmation of a fact that I already knew. When I am just playing for the sake of playing and not paying any degree of attention to metrics for benchmark results, the gaming experience based on what GPU is being utilized is somewhat difficult to distinguish. All of them run smooth and everything is fluid and looks close enough to the same I would never know the difference. Even the now old 3080 Turbo with decent settings (as shown below) doesn't really feel all that different than the 5090. There is no question that we are being scammed more than we might care to admit.

 

Congrats brother! I took the journey and it was worth it before the return so now it's your turn at a much lower price point making keeping it more compelling.

 

It is definitely poor value and the law of diminishing returns is in full play painfully so. What can't be denied is it is a juggernaut and a substantial upgrade especially in the face of the rest of the 5000 product stack. Not as massive of an upgrade as the 3090->4090 but still a powerhouse in its own right and the most powerful consumer GPU on the market and blows AMD's 9070xt away when properly fed.

 

Since you have both your 4090 and 5090 there along with the 9070xt and 3080, you're really getting a good spread of data to compare and you have to ask yourself is the 5090 that much better? Luckily for you, you are in a position to still sell your 4090 for a nice chunk of change and really offset the cost of the 5090, more so now that it has come down so much in price.

 

I'm going to assume you checked for a nice smattering of blocks available for the Zotac before ordering 🙂

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

57 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Congrats brother! I took the journey and it was worth it before the return so now it's your turn at a much lower price point making keeping it more compelling.

 

It is definitely poor value and the law of diminishing returns is in full play painfully so. What can't be denied is it is a juggernaut and a substantial upgrade especially in the face of the rest of the 5000 product stack. Not as massive of an upgrade as the 3090->4090 but still a powerhouse in its own right and the most powerful consumer GPU on the market and blows AMD's 9070xt away when properly fed.

 

Since you have both your 4090 and 5090 there along with the 9070xt and 3080, you're really getting a good spread of data to compare and you have to ask yourself is the 5090 that much better? Luckily for you, you are in a position to still sell your 4090 for a nice chunk of change and really offset the cost of the 5090, more so now that it has come down so much in price.

 

I'm going to assume you checked for a nice smattering of blocks available for the Zotac before ordering 🙂

Thanks. Maybe. 🤣 It definitely doesn't impress to the same degree the 4090 over 3090/3090 Ti did. It is actually not seeming like a huge upgrade over 4090 in spite of what the price would lead one to expect. The build quality is really solid. It doesn't have the cheap plastic vibe going on.

 

Yes, Alphacool makes a Core block for it. If I decide to keep it I will order one. If I keep it I will probably sell the 9070 XT. 

 

I'm taking it slow right now. Did a small overclock and got into the top 20 right off the bat. Not sure if there are lots of duds or what. That was too easy, so I don't know what the deal is there. I saw people in reviews complaining this GPU model runs too hot, but that does not seem to be an issue on this one. Temps are better than I expected (65°C core and 72°C memory) for air cooling. I've maxed out the memory slider at +3000 and a mundane +200 core. System is pulling just under 1100W from the wall and a bit over 600W at the GPU.

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_speed_way/submissions/5877947 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/139475307

[Papusan]

On 7/25/2025 at 1:40 AM, Papusan said:

Yup, China laugh of the US Administration and Government. And Jensen Huang know very well where their chips going... But should Jensen bother when he know how stupid and useless the US leaders are? Stupid has to be this weekends word.  

 

RTX 5090s get ready to blow with AI-focused makeovers in China — industrial production lines transplant GPU and memory from gaming cards onto server-ready PCBs with blower-style coolers

 

 

 

See the whole video bro @Mr. Fox. Everything with help from Nvidia. A well known US based tech company. China is miles ahead of US. And nothing can stop them. Zero or nada.

 

 

You are dumb if you think nvidia and Jensen Huang don't know that many of their GPUs going into China. See many of my older posts. @Rage Set only stupid's don't know how China works. And how tied it is with nvidia. 

 

The chip ban doesn't work if the manufacturer and their partners can simply raise the middle finger to the government without it getting consequences...

 

 

 

Nice. The US Government now resume serving China with AI chips. Why not let China also have access to 5090 and not the AI castrated 5090D ? Maybe let nvidia also offer 3GB vram so they can use gamer cards for their AI server parks. Sad seeing such weak OS Gov administration. China don't need help from smugglers anymore. Just call Jensen Huang and he take care of the business as usual. Just visit the White House🥴

 

Open up the Pandora's box what the previous admin closed down to protect the free world, just shows that they don't take the threat that seriously. So let them (China, Russia and so on) have everything they need/want from Nvidia, AMD and Intel. So just stop this nonsense as ban, open, lock down, open and so on.... This is a Joke.

 

And this is the real leader in the US.... As we all can see.

 

NVIDIA’s H20 AI Chips Reportedly See ‘Green Light’ From Trump Administration for Export to China After Jensen’s Recent Visit to The White House

 

Now that the H20 AI chips are starting to flow into China, it's likely that NVIDIA will rely on them until year-end before introducing newer solutions such as the Blackwell B20 or the RTX 6000D GPUs for the domestic markets.

[electrosoft]

Doing some testing with the MSI Raider 7945HX3D/4090M vs the Alienware 285HX/5070ti in Fallout 76 first and as expected, the Raider wins decidedly at 1600p. This is with both units on the newest BIOS, complete stock optimized defaults no tuning / re-tuning yet....I expect post tuning for it to get even worse for the Alienware because MSI via their Bios and/or Smokeless has so many more tuning options.

 

In Timespy GPU, the 4090 is ~ 28% faster than the 5070ti, but in actual gameplay it is ~41% faster because of that X3D loving and probably a hair more because when the skies turn dark in FO76 and overcast, it hits a little bit harder.

 

I'll be looking for a proper spot  on the MSI to see if I can cap out 99% isolated to then switch back to the Dell to test a proper GPU cap out on both where I expect the chasm to widen even further.

 

I'm in the process of giving the Alienware a proper clean install as there is so much Dunk (Dell Junk) in there it's ridiculous.

 

I had actually listed the MSI for sale and figured the free Alienware was good enough but after these preliminary results I took it down to keep.

 

The temps you see are after about ~5-10 minutes in that spot. Both units have fantastic thermals. I just realize I need to tune the MSI's fan curve to stop that stop/ramp cycle with the CPU. That's its only flaw because temps are not bad at all.

 

Fans maxed on both, the Alienware has better frequency and dB but sitting there for ~10 minutes and they do get audible. 🙂

 

 

Alienware:

 

 

MSI Raider:

 

 

 

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thanks. Maybe. 🤣 It definitely doesn't impress to the same degree the 4090 over 3090/3090 Ti did. It is actually not seeming like a huge upgrade over 4090 in spite of what the price would lead one to expect. The build quality is really solid. It doesn't have the cheap plastic vibe going on.

 

Yes, Alphacool makes a Core block for it. If I decide to keep it I will order one. If I keep it I will probably sell the 9070 XT. 

 

I'm taking it slow right now. Did a small overclock and got into the top 20 right off the bat. Not sure if there are lots of duds or what. That was too easy, so I don't know what the deal is there. I saw people in reviews complaining this GPU model runs too hot, but that does not seem to be an issue on this one. Temps are better than I expected (65°C core and 72°C memory) for air cooling. I've maxed out the memory slider at +3000 and a mundane +200 core. System is pulling just under 1100W from the wall and a bit over 600W at the GPU.

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_speed_way/submissions/5877947 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/139475307

 

Yeah, that jump from my KPE 3090ti to my MSI Liquid 4090 was bonkers but the 5090 definitely was no slouch. It was good seeing what Nvidia COULD bring to the table when they felt threatened by AMD. They didn't hold anything back with the 4000 series.

 

So far seems to be an decent sample. Cap out vmax to see what is your pre-shunt voltage max. Also do a quick GPU-Z render test to see where you crash with voltage pushed to max slider in AB. You never know, but as you continue to test you may have scored some good silicon. We'll know soon enough. 🙂

 

 

[Papusan]

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I saw people in reviews complaining this GPU model runs too hot, but that does not seem to be an issue on this one. Temps are better than I expected (65°C core and 72°C memory) for air cooling. I've maxed out the memory slider at +3000 and a mundane +200 core. System is pulling just under 1100W from the wall and a bit over 600W at the GPU.

 

Congrats. I have posted about Zotac's flagship. Use of 95mm fans is quite stupid/special when you design a 600W card and in the size it is. Air cooled card shouldn't have baby fans🙂

 

Here's my old post from April 21... And read the whole review.

 

Short summed up... I just can't grasp the reason for going with 3 tiny small 95 mm fans for a card that now max out the 12V-2x6 connector. And their touch vbios switch button works/functionality and looks is awkward/stupid. At least Zotac offer some sorts of dual vbios compared to the stupids at Gigabyte that skipped dual vbios completely for their top tier Aorus AIO/WB 5090 flagships. They meant it wasn't needed for those type graphics cards🙄 Me thinking rather for cost savings for a +++$3300 graphics cards.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, electrosoft said:

So far seems to be an decent sample. Cap out vmax to see what is your pre-shunt voltage max. Also do a quick GPU-Z render test to see where you crash with voltage pushed to max slider in AB. You never know, but as you continue to test you may have scored some good silicon. We'll know soon enough. 🙂

Still slowly working toward finding the max core OC. Not there yet. This is with +300 core and +3000 memory. Max voltage is 1.070V. Temps are still great in spite of the little fans @Papusan  mentioned. I might have to dust off the portable AC and see if the boost clocks will hold higher under load.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/139527683 | https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_speed_way/submissions/5878196

 

[tps3443]

BF6 is very fun!