Official Clevo X170KM-G Thread

[Sniffy]

5 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Would be interesting if somebody tested DGPU only vs iGPU vs Optimus for Office use when connected to power.

I only tested battery on iGPU and it still was rather disappointing but power savings when connected may be worth it for some.

 

Mine uses 60-70W while idle. It jumps up alot as soon as I do anything as Rocket Lake is very power hungry. RTX 3080 uses 22-25W when idling. So you're still looking at 40W or so without the dGPU (more if you're running anything) on a 97WHr battery. The whole platform is power hungry and its probably a combination of Clevo not caring so much about power on this machine, and the fact its a desktop platform missing all the mobile optimizations.

[1610ftw]

6 hours ago, Sniffy said:

 

Mine uses 60-70W while idle. It jumps up alot as soon as I do anything as Rocket Lake is very power hungry. RTX 3080 uses 22-25W when idling. So you're still looking at 40W or so without the dGPU (more if you're running anything) on a 97WHr battery. The whole platform is power hungry and its probably a combination of Clevo not caring so much about power on this machine, and the fact its a desktop platform missing all the mobile optimizations.

 

I am sure there is some power to be saved, maybe between 20 and 40W with the 3080 depending on use case?

I guess there is a slim chance that Optimus will bring most of those savings while allowing for less reboots to activate the dGPU so that will only have to be done in certain cases.

 

Depending on power prices and how long the KM-G is powered and how it is used on the difference may not be worth it to do anything as it will just not make much of a difference if the total daily runtime is 6 hours or less or if it consists mainly of activities where the dGPU is preferred.

[br2]

Didn't expect the ssd to be the thing that fried itself in this box... update the firmware if you have Samsung. My 980 pro 500s bricked a few hours after throwing Smart errors. 5 years Mtbf, right... 

[crossshot]

500GB Samsung 980 Pro in Dell Latitude 5520 (brand new)

2TB Samsung 980 Pro in Clevo X170KM-G (7689 power on hours / 44TB read / 19TB write)
1TB Samsung 980 Pro in homeserver (3971 power on hours / 452TB read / 18TB write)

500GB Samsung Pro 980 in homeserver (1056 power on hours / 9TB read / 3TB write)

 

All fine 🙂
But anyway: backup is all you need!

[crossshot]

New CCC 6.021 available

 

https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-id-xul17e21/

[ymsv]

15 hours ago, crossshot said:

New CCC 6.021 available

 

https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-id-xul17e21/

On Apex with the new CCC versions , a new GUI can be activated . 

[br2]

On 3/29/2023 at 6:25 AM, crossshot said:

All fine 🙂
But anyway: backup is all you need!

mine was fine, til it wasn't... Windows backup showed its flaws, got a 1tb to replace pair of 500s in Raid0 but Windows wouldn't restore over a few megs difference in size. $50 backup utility would have saved me a day's time.

[crossshot]

1 hour ago, br2 said:

mine was fine, til it wasn't... Windows backup showed its flaws, got a 1tb to replace pair of 500s in Raid0 but Windows wouldn't restore over a few megs difference in size. $50 backup utility would have saved me a day's time.

Veeam Agent for Windows. Freeware and great backup tool.
I use it for private and for customers. All my VMs will be backuped all 4 hours (incremental).

You can backup the whole PC and restore the backup with a veeam boot stick on a different machine. You have the same system restored on a new machine. Lovely tool. Saved me so much time, money and files.
Its also possible to restore only guest files.

[br2]

10 minutes ago, crossshot said:

Veeam Agent for Windows. Freeware and great backup tool.
I use it for private and for customers. All my VMs will be backuped all 4 hours (incremental).

You can backup the whole PC and restore the backup with a veeam boot stick on a different machine. You have the same system restored on a new machine. Lovely tool. Saved my so much time, money and files.
Its also possible to restore only guest files.

We are in the market... thx.

[Tersio]

By the way --i was able to sell my clevo 3080 980 pro 1080p 144hz 32 gb etc.for 2450 euros on ebay  --for those interested what the resale value was

 

i will try my luck this year with a tongfang 4090 in the next days

 

untill then

 

 

[srs2236]

11 minutes ago, Tersio said:

By the way --i was able to sell my clevo 3080 980 pro 1080p 144hz 32 gb etc.for 2450 euros on ebay  --for those interested what the resale value was

 

i will try my luck this year with a tongfang 4090 in the next days

 

untill then

 

 

That is definately better than I would have expected. Nice. Was it a local sale or international?

[Tersio]

45 minutes ago, srs2236 said:

That is definately better than I would have expected. Nice. Was it a local sale or international?

 he is from Berlin ,i am from Cologne ..i was very surprised myself 

 

the best thing is ,ebay in Germany abolished the fees of 11 percent since first of March

 

Edit:

 

i saw that the new clevo x370snw-g has a pci 5.0 motherboard  for 5.0 ssds 

 

the price diffrence is just 100 euros between the tongfang and clevo from my seller ..

 

there are both eta week 15 

 

i am little bit unsure which has the best cooling 

 

 

 

[ymsv]

New CCC 6.022 available

 

https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-id-xul17e21/

[solidus1983]

Trust my luck just done a clean install of Windows and just setup it up! @ymsv

[mulgi]

On 10/1/2022 at 5:38 PM, crossshot said:

Where i can find Dream Machine Bios?

I flashed back to 1.07.07 today and unlocked all features. Damn, thats a lot 😍

Hi gentlemen, I am a bit late to the party, but maybe a good soul can help with a hint.

I would like to choose between Intel iGPU and nVidia RTX3080.

Today I had X170KM-G Stock BIOS 1.07.07 reflashed following ViktorV's _Flash.bat,

"sfk setbytes -yes bios.bin 0xA0898 0x1"

This is what the commandline reported:

---------------------------------------------------
1.Unlock

2.Relock

Enter your choice:1
Intel (R) Flash Programming Tool Version: 15.0.10.1447
Copyright (C) 2005 - 2020, Intel Corporation. All rights reserved.

Reading HSFSTS register... Flash Descriptor: Valid

    --- Flash Devices Found ---
    ID:0xC84019    Size: 32768KB (262144Kb)

- Reading Flash [0x2000000] 16384KB of 16384KB - 100 percent complete.
Writing flash contents to file "bios.bin"...
Memory Dump Complete
FPT Operation Successful.

1 bytes written.
Intel (R) Flash Programming Tool Version: 15.0.10.1447
Copyright (C) 2005 - 2020, Intel Corporation. All rights reserved.

Reading HSFSTS register... Flash Descriptor: Valid

    --- Flash Devices Found ---
    ID:0xC84019    Size: 32768KB (262144Kb)

GbE Region does not exist.

Processing Flash memory block   160 from  4095.
- Erasing Flash Block [0x10A1000] - 100 percent complete.
- Programming Flash [0x10A1000]     4KB of     4KB - 100 percent complete.
- Processed memory blocks 4095 from 4095.
RESULT: The data is identical.16384KB of 16384KB - 100 percent complete.

FPT Operation Successful.

Done. Press any key return to menu.
------------------------------------------------------

BUT: after loading defaults my BIOS setup looks the same, the usual 5 pages

Which magic button do I have to press to unlock ?

[solidus1983]

@mulgi Take the back off and remove the CMOS battery for 30 seconds.

 

But just be careful, messing with any settings can fully brick the Laptop if your not careful!

[mulgi]

Many thanks, will try that in some hours.

Just returning from my first BSOD in 1 1/2 years, with unsuccesful repair loops, then believing in MB death, then one week research, mid of this week getting 1st SSD recognised and repaired, the rest of 3 SSDs invisible, then today finding the solution and fully up again I am not keen overclock or destroy timings.

I am happy what it delivers at stock. (Solution I will tell later for those who suffered the same)

Only to get iGPU available.

[crossshot]

Have anyone access to this sites?

 

https://www.clevo.com.tw/en/e-services/esupport/main.asp?Logi

[solidus1983]

@crossshot I can load the page but there is nothing there for the X170KM-G.

 

Anything with username and password i have no access too

[ymsv]

New CCC 6.025 available 

 

https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-id-xul17e21/ 

[ymsv]

On 4/12/2023 at 2:33 PM, crossshot said:

Have anyone access to this sites?

 

https://www.clevo.com.tw/en/e-services/esupport/main.asp?Logi

I do not also , but if you are looking to download drivers , download page is here . 

 

https://www.clevo.com.tw/load_page/service_download 

 

[mulgi]

So BIOS unlocking was successful for me, on 1.07.07.and 1.07.08

And, to continue where I left off

(maybe helpful to those who suffered a crash and can not find any SSD anymore,

or none of the SSDs sitting in one of the 3 Gen3 slots):

The minimum requirements should be POST sucessful, so EC healthy,

and BIOS still able to start up splash screen.

 

Here you go into BIOS holding and repeatedly pressing F2.

If you see all your SSDs listed there there is hope.

(I had 4, so all 3 PCH Gen3 slots populated plus the CPU-driven Gen4 slot)

In my case it was as simple as disable the Intel RAID driver and enable AHCI.

Exit saving defaults, and pop: I was back in business.

I don't run any RAID inside that laptop, so AHCI was completely fine for me.

Who needs to run a RAID using Intel driver got to be aware that since Version 17.x

Intel reportedly had to submit to MS to handle the rollout of their RAID drivers.

Maybe incompatibilities ?

 

The other cases describing instability:

I had inadvertently fried my first motherboard by using the damned Control Center and choosing silent mode.

This would fit the bill as others described: more forced C states ?

and overheating while trying to achieve the impossible: a beefy system cut off the cooling air.

During a Prime95 run it went pop, and since then not even POST would run.

Warranty repair followed.

 

Since then I give lots of air to both fans, at +60°C both run at 80%, and at +70C both run 100%.

since the GPU fan is the only one that can pull a tiny air stream across the 3 Gen3 SSDs

each consuming 3,3V 3A so 30W in total at full throttle,

but only barely touching the stock common tiny sheetmetal non-heatsink.

There is a chinese harware supplier who is well aware of this stock flaw,

he offers heatsinks with fins and he even sells a water cooled CPU/GPU heatsink combo.

Today 4 SSD heatpipe coolers come in (be quiet MC1 Pro)

The 3 coolers for Gen 3 slots I will have to tailor a bit to get these snug fit and toothed into place.

 

Well this applies only to those who will need a constant date rate while huge transfers,

but there came UHD files, and then uncompressed,

and whoops here we are, wanting to write TBs @1,6GB/s or even 3,6GB/s in one go,

that figures, and heats up so quickly the you can not hold the SSD in your hands anymore...

 

P.S. As I see right now, this confirms what ymsv found out from January 5th on.

[Ashtrix]

Greetings folks,

 

I was thinking about this machine as a secondary PC for myself and this being last LGA socket vs the BGA land. (yea MXM is dead and the GPUs are not even close to desktop parts but it's at-least not a thin and light jokebook i guess)., If you don't mind can anyone clearly mention if the shutdown problems that were mentioned are they applicable to the entire X170-KM or only a few machines exhibit that behavior or just 11th gen on this machine ?

 

Prema is not there sadly for this machine I guess, and Russian folks unlocked BIOS option exists (edit - sorry I did to check properly, ViktorV's the contributor for the Unlocked BIOS), does it provide any important features ? Also using 10900K in the same machine, can it get back 3200MHz DDR4 speed vs 2933MHz max for 11900K ?

 

Anything important, I mean is this machine really worth getting or is it plagued by some EC / Firmware / BIOS bugs which ruin the ownership experience.

 

Heatsink fitment is that good or not that good ?

 

Sorry if I'm being straight forward in these, I hope you guys understand as spending money and time is valuable. Please feel free to mention any other important aspects if I missed.

 

Thanks in advance.

[ViktorV]

On 4/9/2023 at 3:54 AM, mulgi said:

Hi gentlemen, I am a bit late to the party, but maybe a good soul can help with a hint.

I would like to choose between Intel iGPU and nVidia RTX3080.

Today I had X170KM-G Stock BIOS 1.07.07 reflashed following ViktorV's _Flash.bat,

"sfk setbytes -yes bios.bin 0xA0898 0x1"

This is what the commandline reported:

---------------------------------------------------
1.Unlock

2.Relock

Enter your choice:1
Intel (R) Flash Programming Tool Version: 15.0.10.1447
Copyright (C) 2005 - 2020, Intel Corporation. All rights reserved.

Reading HSFSTS register... Flash Descriptor: Valid

    --- Flash Devices Found ---
    ID:0xC84019    Size: 32768KB (262144Kb)

- Reading Flash [0x2000000] 16384KB of 16384KB - 100 percent complete.
Writing flash contents to file "bios.bin"...
Memory Dump Complete
FPT Operation Successful.

1 bytes written.
Intel (R) Flash Programming Tool Version: 15.0.10.1447
Copyright (C) 2005 - 2020, Intel Corporation. All rights reserved.

Reading HSFSTS register... Flash Descriptor: Valid

    --- Flash Devices Found ---
    ID:0xC84019    Size: 32768KB (262144Kb)

GbE Region does not exist.

Processing Flash memory block   160 from  4095.
- Erasing Flash Block [0x10A1000] - 100 percent complete.
- Programming Flash [0x10A1000]     4KB of     4KB - 100 percent complete.
- Processed memory blocks 4095 from 4095.
RESULT: The data is identical.16384KB of 16384KB - 100 percent complete.

FPT Operation Successful.

Done. Press any key return to menu.
------------------------------------------------------

BUT: after loading defaults my BIOS setup looks the same, the usual 5 pages

Which magic button do I have to press to unlock ?

After unlocking, you need to reboot with entering the laptop BIOS and reset the BIOS settings using F9,

then F10, reboot, go into the BIOS and admire the unlocked BIOS.

 

[Clamibot]

12 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

Greetings folks,

 

I was thinking about this machine as a secondary PC for myself and this being last LGA socket vs the BGA land. (yea MXM is dead and the GPUs are not even close to desktop parts but it's at-least not a thin and light jokebook i guess)., If you don't mind can anyone clearly mention if the shutdown problems that were mentioned are they applicable to the entire X170-KM or only a few machines exhibit that behavior or just 11th gen on this machine ?

 

Prema is not there sadly for this machine I guess, and Russian folks unlocked BIOS option exists (edit - sorry I did to check properly, ViktorV's the contributor for the Unlocked BIOS), does it provide any important features ? Also using 10900K in the same machine, can it get back 3200MHz DDR4 speed vs 2933MHz max for 11900K ?

 

Anything important, I mean is this machine really worth getting or is it plagued by some EC / Firmware / BIOS bugs which ruin the ownership experience.

 

Heatsink fitment is that good or not that good ?

 

Sorry if I'm being straight forward in these, I hope you guys understand as spending money and time is valuable. Please feel free to mention any other important aspects if I missed.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

The out of box experience on the X170KM-G seems to be a hit or miss. Sometimes it's good, and sometimes it's not. If you're looking for a stable out of the box experience, the X170SM-G is generally much better in that regard, plus Premamod is available for that model. However, if you win the lottery on a good X170KM-G motherboard, the experience will also be good, you just won't have Premamod.

 

The heatsink fitment depends on the laptop you get as there is a heatsink lottery with these models. I got my X170SM-G from zTecpc back when they were selling that model with Premamod, so I got a guaranteed good heatsink.