Official Clevo X170KM-G Thread

[crossshot]

23 hours ago, crossshot said:

I hope for more stability. Mine shut off from time to time without any reason. Maybe the new ACPI bridge driver will help.

Too sad... uncontrolled shutdown still there...

[ymsv]

I do not see any difference until now . 

 

[solidus1983]

Well touch wood with the new CCC installed and a clean install of Nvidia drivers the random shutdown seems to have stopped for me.

[crossshot]

Today, it was possible to get wake on lan working. Now i can start the X170KM-G remote from everywhere (from my homeserveR). Thats a really good workaround for me. But i hope the uncontrolled shutdowns will be fixed. I can't sell the notebook with such an issue.

[Sniffy]

7 hours ago, crossshot said:

Today, it was possible to get wake on lan working. Now i can start the X170KM-G remote from everywhere (from my homeserveR). Thats a really good workaround for me. But i hope the uncontrolled shutdowns will be fixed. I can't sell the notebook with such an issue.

 

Nice. Does it work from complete shutdown? The manual says from Sleep or Hibernate only but it had me wondering.

 

I'm guessing their was no BIOS setting and you just enabled it through device manager?

[crossshot]

I change something in the bios and activate it also in the device manager. It works from complete shutdown.

[Tersio]

Hi Experts,

 

how much could i ask for my used x170kmg in germany right now?

 

3080 rtx 165 Watt max tgp

11900k full desktop cpu

32 GB ram ( 2x 16Gb in dual channel 3200MHz)

17 Zoll fullhd 144 hz Nullpixelfehler G-Sync

1tb 980 pro ssd pci4.0 m.2

512 GB ssd m.2

Win 10 mit Lizenz
 

 

 

 

[crossshot]

Between 2000 and 2500 EUR in my opinion.

But for this money, you can get better notebooks (faster/cooler/quieter/lighter). So, its not easy to sell it.

Greetings from germany 😉

[MiRaGe]

2 hours ago, Tersio said:

Hi Experts,

 

how much could i ask for my used x170kmg in germany right now?

 

3080 rtx 165 Watt max tgp

11900k full desktop cpu

32 GB ram ( 2x 16Gb in dual channel 3200MHz)

17 Zoll fullhd 144 hz Nullpixelfehler G-Sync

1tb 980 pro ssd pci4.0 m.2

512 GB ssd m.2

Win 10 mit Lizenz
 

 

 

 

And you decided to list it even higher than 2299 which was already high enough😂

greetings from Germany

[Tersio]

I am ok with 2250 till 2500 as pure profit

 

But I am not ok with the 11 percent ebay fees ,so I must somehow compensate it as long I am the only one right now in Germany 

 

Some mxm board lovers are willing to pay  ,but they are from foreign countries. 

 

Lets see what kind of offers I get this month 

 

Did I not see here in forum one fella who ordered one for 4000 euros new few weeks ago?

 

 

 

 

[MiRaGe]

Kleinanzeigen doesn‘t have 11% fees..😉

[srs2236]

4 hours ago, Tersio said:

I am ok with 2250 till 2500 as pure profit

 

But I am not ok with the 11 percent ebay fees ,so I must somehow compensate it as long I am the only one right now in Germany 

 

Some mxm board lovers are willing to pay  ,but they are from foreign countries. 

 

Lets see what kind of offers I get this month 

 

Did I not see here in forum one fella who ordered one for 4000 euros new few weeks ago?

 

Here 2K price for:

Intel® Core™ i9 24-Core Processor 13900HX

GeForce RTX 4080

240Hz QHD Panel (2560 x 1600), sRGB 100%

16GB 4800MHz DDR5

Liquid Metal by default

AX211 WIFI

 

The X170KM-G is not even close in performance to this one. To be honest all the DTR have lost a lot of value in my eyes. I would never pay 2.3K for it nowadays when you can get much faster option. And whats the point of having MXM if it costs an arm and a leg to buy a replacement if it dies? Also the fact that there is not going to be anything newer than 3080 makes it dead standard now anyway.

[Tersio]

There is always someone somewhere who is just obsessed with a special kind of machine ..

 

I will keep you updated how much I got at the end ...just as a reference for other potential sellers out there 

[crossshot]

I paid 6000 EUR 1,5 years ago 🥲

 

[MiRaGe]

Nothing personal, but I would never spend this amount of money on a laptop ever. Especially when it devalues itself twice - the moment it gets out of the store and one more time an year later…

With 6K€ you would have a PC monster which would wipe away 90% of the market performancewise.

 

[crossshot]

I don't use it for gaming. I'm a technical draftsman and use it for 3d drawing and rendering. I need max mobile performance, when i visit my customers.

Only for gaming at home it's useless.

[aldarxt]

37 minutes ago, MiRaGe said:

Nothing personal, but I would never spend this amount of money on a laptop ever. Especially when it devalues itself twice - the moment it gets out of the store and one more time an year later…

With 6K€ you would have a PC monster which would wipe away 90% of the market performancewise.

 

Its different when its for work. At least the purchase should qualify for a tax write off, which helps defer some of the cost. This now becomes a tool for income. I am now retired carpenter and when I was working tools and work clothes helped me get a bigger return. So it is more of an investment than an entertainment system.

[srs2236]

15 minutes ago, crossshot said:

I don't use it for gaming. I'm a technical draftsman and use it for 3d drawing and rendering. I need max mobile performance, when i visit my customers.

Only for gaming at home it's useless.

I just wish it wasn't crashing for you all the time =( Is it crashing idle or under load or both? Have you tried disabling CPU C states? I recently found out that was what kept my undervolts not so stable. By disabling C-States I have a stable -135mV undervolt. Maybe it could help with your stability issues?

 

The drawback of course is the CPU is not entering power saving modes. Which means higher power draw pretty much in every scenario. But it is not that bad, and if it helps it could be worth it. For me it is like this - during idle and low CPU usage loads it is using more power than before, sometimes a lot more. However under 100% load because of the heavy undervolt it is using actually less power.

 

Recently I watched a Linus Tech Tips video where they had a computer randomly crash a lot and disabling C states fixed it. That's why I thought of that. I wasn't able to disable C-States in BIOS (as many of the things I assume it is bugged for P775). But I was able to disable them using ThrottleStop. I would try first BIOS then ThrottleStop. I kept an eye whether they are active or not using HWinfo sensor readouts.

 

Good luck!

[1610ftw]

7 hours ago, srs2236 said:

 

Here 2K price for:

Intel® Core™ i9 24-Core Processor 13900HX

GeForce RTX 4080

240Hz QHD Panel (2560 x 1600), sRGB 100%

16GB 4800MHz DDR5

Liquid Metal by default

AX211 WIFI

 

The X170KM-G is not even close in performance to this one. To be honest all the DTR have lost a lot of value in my eyes. I would never pay 2.3K for it nowadays when you can get much faster option. And whats the point of having MXM if it costs an arm and a leg to buy a replacement if it dies? Also the fact that there is not going to be anything newer than 3080 makes it dead standard now anyway.

If someone needed at least 17" and more than 2 memory and/or storage slots there would be a much smaller selection.

The X170KM-G offers that.

[1610ftw]

On 2/21/2023 at 9:14 PM, crossshot said:

Today, it was possible to get wake on lan working. Now i can start the X170KM-G remote from everywhere (from my homeserveR). Thats a really good workaround for me. But i hope the uncontrolled shutdowns will be fixed. I can't sell the notebook with such an issue.

 

If all else fails you may want to swap your 11900K for a previous gen 10 core CPU. These do not seem to have the shutdown issues even with earlier software and they also have superior multi-core performance. If you continue to have the shutdown issues with one of those you may have a defective board.

[srs2236]

5 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

If someone needed at least 17" and more than 2 memory and/or storage slots there would be a much smaller selection.

The X170KM-G offers that.

Those are rather odd needs to have in a laptop but I guess you have a point. There is a 17inch variant aswell although a bit more expensive. And there is not really that big of a need for more than 2 memory slots as none of them ran quad channel memory anyways. And you can get up to 64GB in 2 slots. I guess the only reason would be if somebody needed 128GB? And storage, well you can always get a bigger drive instead of putting in multiple UNLESS somebody needs like idk 20 something TB?!?! =D

[FTW_260]

9 hours ago, srs2236 said:

The X170KM-G is not even close in performance to this one.

After it falls into throttling on all components - I don't think so.

The 13th gen works in new laptops with long loads at 2.4-2.7 GHz, this is ridiculous.
The RTX4070 mobile is on par with the 3070TI mobile.
The new generation of laptops this year is too overrated.

[1610ftw]

57 minutes ago, srs2236 said:

Those are rather odd needs to have in a laptop but I guess you have a point. There is a 17inch variant aswell although a bit more expensive. And there is not really that big of a need for more than 2 memory slots as none of them ran quad channel memory anyways. And you can get up to 64GB in 2 slots. I guess the only reason would be if somebody needed 128GB? And storage, well you can always get a bigger drive instead of putting in multiple UNLESS somebody needs like idk 20 something TB?!?! =D

 

Yes of course it is not an everyday demand but they are not called DTR's for nothing 😄

 

As for SSDs this is approximately the German price at the moment if you want a total of 8TB of decent performance TLC SSD and taking into account regular deals:

 

4 x 2TB: ca. 400

2 x 4TB: ca. 800

1 x 8TB: ca. 1100

 

So there you have it - savings and potential expansion to 20TB+ total at a later point 🙂

[srs2236]

1 hour ago, FTW_260 said:

After it falls into throttling on all components - I don't think so.

The 13th gen works in new laptops with long loads at 2.4-2.7 GHz, this is ridiculous.
The RTX4070 mobile is on par with the 3070TI mobile.
The new generation of laptops this year is too overrated.

As if the X170KM-G by default doesn't throttle.

Also 2.4-2.7GHz??? Source? Because today I saw it easily sit in 4,4GHz P-Core and 3,3 E core or something.

Yes, the 4070 is complete ass. Yet the 4080 and 4090 is just day and night difference.

 

btw the one I screenshotted was for 4080 version not 4070.

 

And most improtantly look at this 4090 just beating a 3080/3080 Ti BY 10000 freaking TimeSpy points.

 

It is not overrated at all. Clevo DTR's are overrated at this point.

 

I am just so sad I actually spent my money on the so disappointing 3080 mobile upgrade. What a shame.

 

[srs2236]

And he hit 36K on cinebench aswell. Good luck beating that with X170KM-G xD