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yeah if my mistakes are anything to go by saving settings is key, as slight changes can cause negative swings in scores. I use deep freeze and everytime I reboot all reg and settings/files are reverted back and I can keep the level im getting now for years..he has a free 60 day trial and the file only costs 50 bucks but if your serious about computers its well worth the price and easily my best software investment..

 

 

also its hard to believe you broke 10k on gpu, I always thought the 2080=3060 performance wise. its crazy but like 90 percent of the best tweakers and overlcocking enthusiasts are on NBT and NBR(rip). it's not uncommon for someone here to post and say they have the number one score.

 

 

and yeah ambient temps play a huge role in performance and temps while overclocking. Im going to spend 400 and buy a air conditioner for my room so I can overclock and bench in the summer, might buy a new toy to play with. maybe a 4080 laptop or heck even a 4090

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On 4/3/2024 at 12:58 AM, ryan said:

also its hard to believe you broke 10k on gpu, I always thought the 2080=3060 performance wise. its crazy but like 90 percent of the best tweakers and overlcocking enthusiasts are on NBT and NBR(rip). it's not uncommon for someone here to post and say they have the number one score.

 

Not sure how much power that 2080 is getting but I would usually get between 11200 and 11300 out of the 2080 with a power draw of up to 155W and others have gotten up to 12000 at 200W. So performance is quite a bit higher for the 2080 and I would say that watt for watt it should give an increase in performance of at least 40% over the 1080 with good results even with low power consumption which is nice for temps and longevity.

 

Here is the leaderboard with 9900K and 2080:

 

https://www.3dmark.com/search#advanced?test=spy P&cpuId=2402&gpuId=1244&gpuCount=1&gpuType=ALL&deviceType=ALL&storageModel=ALL&showRamDisks=false&memoryChannels=0&country=&scoreType=graphicsScore&hofMode=true&showInvalidResults=false&freeParams=&minGpuCoreClock=&maxGpuCoreClock=&minGpuMemClock=&maxGpuMemClock=&minCpuClock=&maxCpuClock=

 

I think I got 11700, too with my Alienware but was a bit disappointed at the time that I could not get it up to at least 11800 so my results are not in there 😄

 

 

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New best score for my Alienware 17 R1, i managed to broke 11 100pts at 4GHz and 73W so i'm really happy with it!

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Btw, i have the first place on Firestrike with i7-4940mx + Quadro P4000 !

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And 1st place for TimeSpy too!

I just need to figure out why my graphic driver is no longer approved.... Until then my score isn't valid for 3dmark....

 

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11 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Not sure how much power that 2080 is getting but I would usually get between 11200 and 11300 out of the 2080 with a power draw of up to 155W and others have gotten up to 12000 at 200W. So performance is quite a bit higher for the 2080 and I would say that watt for watt it should give an increase in performance of at least 40% over the 1080 with good results even with low power consumption which is nice for temps and longevity.

 

 

 

ya, @ryan my 2080 is greatly thermally limited, so I have it undervolted at around 1600Mhz and ~135-140ishW.  I should be able to get higher with a thermal pad / cooler ambient temps.

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I always thought the 2080 was close to a 3060 or even, Im likely remembering 2080 max q variants. yup max q i think.

 

either way I broke 9900 in timespy with close very close to 9700 in timespy graphics. cpu wont budge and im currently working on driver tweaks to bump the score to 10 000. it will be a feat to say the least, this is a underpowered omen 16 3060 I think it boosted to 115w stock so getting a score past 9000 was pretty difficult, hard to believe with vbios and driver tweaks im able to even see 9900. I reinstalled windows and gave it a go with the newest drivers and for the most part it was recreatable. IM scoring the same on gpu 9665 and cpu this time around is 11200 and doesnt see to budge no matter what I do. Im going to try my reg tweak for L2 cache and see if I can squeeze out 200 on cpu and 50 on gpu to see 10 k

 

 

reporting in with some bad news lol

 

I got my highest score of 9700 thinking I could recreate it, and lool see below. I can't beat 9700 not even a point over 9700. and cpu is locked at 11200 almost like a sick joke.

 

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3 hours ago, anassa said:

 

ya, @ryan my 2080 is greatly thermally limited, so I have it undervolted at around 1600Mhz and ~135-140ishW.  I should be able to get higher with a thermal pad / cooler ambient temps.

 

you may want to look out for one of the unified heatsinks for it that Eurocom sometimes has up for auction: 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/116123553696?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=_LxgfDnLRKa&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

 

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13 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

 

you may want to look out for one of the unified heatsinks for it that Eurocom sometimes has up for auction: 

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So that is the thing, I actually have that big old copper heatsink from aliexpress and the P775 fans that have more blades. So it should do better, and I have had it with the 1080 and been able to pull ~180w @ around mid 70s. So I think it may be a contact issue. The 8700k can pull over 100w and have the temps stabilize but the 2080 isn't as happy. I will pull it apart and see if it gets better.

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21 hours ago, ÊtaPegasus said:

And 1st place for TimeSpy too!

I just need to figure out why my graphic driver is no longer approved.... Until then my score isn't valid for 3dmark....

 

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Great work! In my old P150EM I was able to get 3,813 CPU score with 3920xm, but had a 1070 and got 5742 GPU score. Way to push the limits!

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33 minutes ago, anassa said:

 

So that is the thing, I actually have that big old copper heatsink from aliexpress and the P775 fans that have more blades. So it should do better, and I have had it with the 1080 and been able to pull ~180w @ around mid 70s. So I think it may be a contact issue. The 8700k can pull over 100w and have the temps stabilize but the 2080 isn't as happy. I will pull it apart and see if it gets better.

 

I agree you should do better than that. My P775 went to about 11000 with a few small adjustments and I left it at that for the time being as I am more of a CPU guy but you should see that, too.

 

So most probably the heat sink not making good contact and I would also check the pads and if you are not certain go with some putty from Upsiren or something like it where the exact thickness does not matter, 

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I agree you should do better than that. My P775 went to about 11000 with a few small adjustments and I left it at that for the time being as I am more of a CPU guy but you should see that, too.

 

So most probably the heat sink not making good contact and I would also check the pads and if you are not certain go with some putty from Upsiren or something like it where the exact thickness does not matter, 

 

Do you know what it did without any tweaks? Just stock 2080 in the P775? 11k would be nice, but I got ~9.6k without any adjustments so a 1.5k increase with overclocking would be a lot. Unless of course I got the thermal headroom then I can use a higher TDP vbios, the one I have now is stock 150w one. I am the opposite of you lol, more of a GPU guy, if CPU matches the stock desktop performance with maybe a good undervolt that is fine, usually limiting factor for anything "intensive" I do is just games, and that is usually GPU bound.

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Do you know what it did without any tweaks? Just stock 2080 in the P775? 11k would be nice, but I got ~9.6k without any adjustments so a 1.5k increase with overclocking would be a lot. Unless of course I got the thermal headroom then I can use a higher TDP vbios, the one I have now is stock 150w one. I am the opposite of you lol, more of a GPU guy, if CPU matches the stock desktop performance with maybe a good undervolt that is fine, usually limiting factor for anything "intensive" I do is just games, and that is usually GPU bound.

 

Can't remember what it did but can have a look without MSI Afterburner activated, probably a bit above 10K. I think it is also the 150W bios and I would have to do something about that to get really good scores but cannot be bothered at the moment - too many laptops too little time 🙂

 

 

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OK, did a quick run without MSI Afterburner and I got 10.2K with 155W max which is the same power consumption as in my MSI GT75 that tops out at 11300+ 

 

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The 9900K in the P775 is not exactly great so I am currently thinking of putting in another one with better binning but for this benchmark it made no difference as I limited it to 4.0 GHz all cores. For comparison on a well set up system of that generation (Coffee Lake) I would try to run the CPU at 4.8 to 5.0 Ghz all cores.

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@1610ftw Thanks!

 

Wait, so your MSI GT75 with a 150w 2080 gets 11.2k vs the P775 10.2k at 150w also? So 1k difference just by platform?

 

Ya I was surprised the 9900k only had a CPU score of 9.4k, is yours delidded? You also have been able to run the 9900k at 4.8ghz all core? Consistently? I was pretty happy to get the 8700k at 4.5ghz all core for multiple runs and keep it stable at mid80s. I am going to swap in a 9900k eventually but am curious what kind of settings/setup you use to get that 4.8ghz without getting too hot

 

I will check the thermal pads/repaste this weekend and see how it goes.

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11 hours ago, anassa said:

Wait, so your MSI GT75 with a 150w 2080 gets 11.2k vs the P775 10.2k at 150w also? So 1k difference just by platform?

 

I think best was something like 11365 but that was the best I could get after many tries and with afterburner activated.

 

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I could not find the old scores but here is my best result today with the P775 with MSI Afterburner and at 155W, about 7% more than without:

 

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So it is less than a 400 points difference compared to the MSI or about 3.5%, not that much really.

 

 

11 hours ago, anassa said:

Ya I was surprised the 9900k only had a CPU score of 9.4k, is yours delidded? You also have been able to run the 9900k at 4.8ghz all core? Consistently? I was pretty happy to get the 8700k at 4.5ghz all core for multiple runs and keep it stable at mid80s. I am going to swap in a 9900k eventually but am curious what kind of settings/setup you use to get that 4.8ghz without getting too hot

 

I will check the thermal pads/repaste this weekend and see how it goes.

 

No delidding here - I would first want to find a CPU that is worth it and in need of a delid. Probably less gained if you already have a sub 10 degree temp difference between cores and much more if one or more cores get a lot hotter than the rest.

 

In my experience it is OK to run a bit higher in Time Spy than in real life so I regularly use at least 4.8 for Time Spy and I think it could probably be something like that for games as games are usually less demanding on the CPU than a multicore benchmark run. You got to keep in mind that 9900K are quite wide ranging with regard to power consumption and therefore temps and performance. My best 9900K is at least 30% less in power consumption at 4.6 GHz than the worst one that I have seen - would not want that bad one in a laptop!

 

So the short of it is that these can get VERY hot and there are three things to look for:

 

- binning

- cooling

- undervolting

 

That combo can easily make a difference between 4.4 and 4.8 up to 5.0 GHz whereas I am not so sure how much better you can get with delidding when you have an already very good CPU.

 

As for the 8700K it is probably pretty good for your use case and it does not need that much power compared to a 9900K but 4.5 seems a bit low and I would expect more after you have done some optimizations. How much higher depends on all the above factors and games are a rather tricky load where both CPU and GPU are working hard and I usually only deal with that in benching.

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Do you guys ever do benchmarks for built in benchmarks? like say cyberpunk maxed with/without dlss and even if you get 10fps its something. I think I get like 9fps at 1080p maxed in cyberbug.

 

also, Its possible im doing my overclocking wrong, it seems as though when I set it to 2100 it hovers around 1900 and isn't thermally limited, this problem iv'e had for awhile and cant find any guides on google that work.

 

also what do you get stock with your 2080s

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Do you guys ever do benchmarks for built in benchmarks? like say cyberpunk maxed with/without dlss and even if you get 10fps its something. I think I get like 9fps at 1080p maxed in cyberbug.

 

also, Its possible im doing my overclocking wrong, it seems as though when I set it to 2100 it hovers around 1900 and isn't thermally limited, this problem iv'e had for awhile and cant find any guides on google that work.

 

also what do you get stock with your 2080s

 

If you check my build link in the signature I try Metro and Cyberpunk ingame benchmarks to see how the gpu swap/ and tweaking the OC actually makes a difference, I am trying to build up more clevo specific data to compare scores vs game improvement.

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finally have my laptop setup the way it should be, getting 9100 stock no tweaks except for control panel tweaks. pretty happy with results

 

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On 4/8/2024 at 3:54 AM, ryan said:

Do you guys ever do benchmarks for built in benchmarks? like say cyberpunk maxed with/without dlss and even if you get 10fps its something. I think I get like 9fps at 1080p maxed in cyberbug.

 

also, Its possible im doing my overclocking wrong, it seems as though when I set it to 2100 it hovers around 1900 and isn't thermally limited, this problem iv'e had for awhile and cant find any guides on google that work.

 

also what do you get stock with your 2080s

 

I never game so no gaming benchmarks 🙂

 

My stock 2080 with 155W is 10.2K. Stock 2080 with 200W would be closer to 11K.

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Here is Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Horizon Zero Dawn on my 150W 3080 mobile. Same card gets about 12k in Timespy as well:

 

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/46227717

 

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I averaged 86 in the same benchmark DLSS off.

 

it finished saying average 0, not sure why some glitch. But I don't think its a bad framerate, easily a locked 1440p 60, but I think i'd rather do 4k/60 on all medium.

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came in 2nd in night raid..pretty hard to do with a popular card like a 3060, but lady luck was on my side that day, gpu overclocked 20mhz higher than normal

 

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I reinstalled windows, set up everything. locked in deepfreeze and now when I overclock with performance settings instead of 9900 im getting 9100 and 9000 on gpu and 11500 on cpu. no idea why, but overclocking is doing very little and stock is lower. anyone have a troubleshooting idea? should I just reinstall windows?

 

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On 4/5/2024 at 9:48 AM, 1610ftw said:

 

I agree you should do better than that. My P775 went to about 11000 with a few small adjustments and I left it at that for the time being as I am more of a CPU guy but you should see that, too.

 

So most probably the heat sink not making good contact and I would also check the pads and if you are not certain go with some putty from Upsiren or something like it where the exact thickness does not matter, 

 

Took off the heatsink this weekend, contact actually looked good.  This time tried carbonaut - first time trying a non-paste conductor between the IHS and heatsink.  Scores are really similar to before, maybe a little worse on the temps.  Undervolt + overclock gets the 2080 to 10.2k GPU score.  This chip seems to be a good chip because I have only really hit thermal + power limits. It has the undervolt curve + 125mhz core and +450 ram without any issues and I feel like it can do more.

 

I think the problem is just the heatsoak, the giant aliexpress copper heatsink can absorb more heat than the fins + fan combo can dissipate, so after multiple runs of timespy/cinebench/cyberpunk etc again and again it just heatsoaks. And I want to find a overclock/undervolt that can handle multiple runs. I think a cooling pad like a IETS cooling pad will make a big difference and allow for some more thermal headroom to mitigate the heatsoak. It is time I get a laptop cooling pad.

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