thermal paste Which Thermal Paste to buy and apply (Traditional and Liquid Metal)

[KING19]

On 9/4/2022 at 7:36 PM, jaybee83 said:

whoa much respect to such undertakings!

 

@IamTechknow i wouldnt rely on furmark alone for such testing, its known to give funky results due to gpu hardware algos detecting it and artificially changing their behaviour vs other stress tests.

 

Agreed. Cinebench is the rest test as it pushes your CPU to its limit.

 

@IamTechknow Glad someone else is testing out Honeywell 7950. Its a great paste especially for gaming laptops, The New Lenovo Legions uses a special version of it. The paste version i am using isnt as good the pad version but it works well. After 3 months my temps are still decent and they actually went down because summer is almost over here and the weather gotten better finally after a long hot and humid summer!.

[JeanLegi]

On 9/5/2022 at 1:18 AM, IamTechknow said:

I also tried the Honeywell TPM7950 thermal pad, and it works much better than the IC Diamond re-paste that I did which was 7 months old by the time I replaced it back at May. I will admit my laptop has a RTX 2060 with a TDP limit of "only" 80W (circa 2019 so no dynamic boost) so I like to see it applied on a laptop that could hit 140+W.

 

Here are screenshots of Furmark that show how fast temperature increases with both pastes (with the Honeywell thermal pad it doesn't throttle), in room temperature (70°F/21°C). Nowadays I say the temperature throttling limit for my laptop is 81°C and it doesn't hit it as easily as with IC Diamond

 

I can try it on the GE76 i still have here on my desk 😄 let me see if i can find it for a got price and maybe i can check it with the 3080 and 11980HK.

[Vasudev]

On 9/5/2022 at 4:48 AM, IamTechknow said:

I also tried the Honeywell TPM7950 thermal pad, and it works much better than the IC Diamond re-paste that I did which was 7 months old by the time I replaced it back at May. I will admit my laptop has a RTX 2060 with a TDP limit of "only" 80W (circa 2019 so no dynamic boost) so I like to see it applied on a laptop that could hit 140+W.

 

Here are screenshots of Furmark that show how fast temperature increases with both pastes (with the Honeywell thermal pad it doesn't throttle), in room temperature (70°F/21°C). Nowadays I say the temperature throttling limit for my laptop is 81°C and it doesn't hit it as easily as with IC Diamond

 

You can use GPU caps viewer's RainForest Test from OpenGL 4.x along with OpenCL CPU Julia4D or any others  to stress both CPU and GPU. Temps might spike to 90C on GPU or CPU depending on fan curve responsiveness. Or use AIDA64 FPU test and Rain Forest OpenGL which can be put as baseline since AIDA64 can stress the CPU/GPU  quickly.

[IamTechknow]

On 9/7/2022 at 12:09 AM, JeanLegi said:

I can try it on the GE76 i still have here on my desk 😄 let me see if i can find it for a got price and maybe i can check it with the 3080 and 11980HK.

Do it for science!

 

You can find it in eBuy7, cheapest listing there and 80mmx80mm pad is fine. Expect 2 weeks shipping to US, anywhere else not sure.

One piece of advice when installing it is the pad should come with pull tabs to remove the plastic cover of the pad. Then you can buy a smaller pad and save a bit of money. I didn't know this so I decided to put a cut a piece bigger than my GPU's die and removed excess lol

[K4sum1]

I've been thinking about thermal pads. I have various sizes of pads that I got from eBay, but they're the cheapest pads I could get at the time, so I'm a bit worried that they might be kinda garbo.

[KING19]

On 9/7/2022 at 3:09 AM, JeanLegi said:

I can try it on the GE76 i still have here on my desk 😄 let me see if i can find it for a got price and maybe i can check it with the 3080 and 11980HK.

 

Its pretty cheap now. You can also choose what size you need

 

https://www.ebuy7.com/item/632208664079

 

Its worth it.

[Rofa1234]

I tested some new pastes including the 2022 edition of SYY-157. It is noticeably less viscous than the 2021 edition and it seems it's not as good for me. Also retested Alphacool Apex and it confirmed my first testing, it's a reasonable paste but it's not matching the best. This paste and the new Thermalright TF9 is quite a bit more viscous than SYY-157 2022 edition. Alpenföhn Permafrost 2 is the most watery paste in this test - great performance considering it's not that viscous. Apex almost 1 degree behind with a much more viscous consistency. In my big test early this year the Apex would have been placed between 15-19 I think.

 

SYY-157 2021 edition 25.6

74/81/79/78

 

SYY-157 2022 edition 25.7

76/83/80/81

 

BSFF BS-139 25.2
78/82/80/80

 

JLJ TP-133 25.3
78/83/80/81

 

Thermalright TF9 25.3
75/82/79/80

 

Alphacool Apex 25.6
80/83/82/82

 

Alpenföhn Permafrost 2 25.7
79/83/81/81

 

 

 

 

[K4sum1]

I literally recently got 15 grams of SYY-157 because of the good results 😭

[Rofa1234]

2022 edition isn't neccessarily worse for you, my cpu/cooling is very sensitive to the viscosity. In other tests it could perform better.

 

 

 

[raptorddd]

anyone knows why amazon doesnt have some of the pastes.

like syy

could not find tf8 either

tfx i think i found one but 1.2g for 20 seems expensive

[JeanLegi]

On 9/9/2022 at 7:17 AM, IamTechknow said:

Do it for science!

 

You can find it in eBuy7, cheapest listing there and 80mmx80mm pad is fine. Expect 2 weeks shipping to US, anywhere else not sure.

One piece of advice when installing it is the pad should come with pull tabs to remove the plastic cover of the pad. Then you can buy a smaller pad and save a bit of money. I didn't know this so I decided to put a cut a piece bigger than my GPU's die and removed excess lol

You Sir...

 

On 9/9/2022 at 10:56 PM, KING19 said:

 

Its pretty cheap now. You can also choose what size you need

 

https://www.ebuy7.com/item/632208664079

 

Its worth it.

And you Sir...

 

 

I hate you from the buttom of my heart or maybe i love you i'm not sure so far what feelings are more overwhelming... but for sure is i do it for the science and i oppose a direct directive from my chief of staff (some call them wife, darling, sweetheart) i spent a lot money in the last months for this hobby.. if i should not response in the near future i was punished for this... ☠️

 

If so it was a honor to be part of this community

 

Ok enough heroic blabla asap after recieving the PTM i will response back here and excuse my late reaction to your posts gents.

[JeanLegi]

Shipping is on the way..

i would use 3d mark timespy for testing or are julia4d and caps viewer are better choices?

[mido]

On 9/9/2022 at 10:56 PM, KING19 said:

 

Its pretty cheap now. You can also choose what size you need

 

https://www.ebuy7.com/item/632208664079

 

Its worth it.

 

What sizes would fit a i7 10750h and 2070 super?

20*30 for the cpu and 40*40 for the gpu?

[Rofa1234]

Arctic MX-6 is coming late October, listed on Amazon: https://www.amazon.de/ACTCP00080A-ARCTIC-MX-6-4g/dp/B09VDL3CW6?ref_=ast_sto_dp

 

I hope it's (much) better for notebooks than MX-4 and MX-5.

[JeanLegi]

Anlass = ocassion

Verlobung = engagement

 

Someone here who want marrie MX-6? 😁Sometimes there are very funny things to find :D.

[KING19]

On 9/21/2022 at 3:00 PM, mido said:

 

What sizes would fit a i7 10750h and 2070 super?

20*30 for the cpu and 40*40 for the gpu?

 

Either one will be fine as you gonna measure and cut the pad yourself to make sure it covers your CPU and GPU die.

 

It comes in a sheet form btw. 20*30 might be too little as you gonna need some extra as backup incase you make a mistake and if you want to do another repaste in the future

[turbocat]

Wow Honeywell 7950 amazing stuff I'm eyeballing 77c at 177% core utility on 8750h Alienware 17r5 with undervolt.

 

Before I was dipping in the low 90s with phobya nano grease

 

Highly recommended bit pricey but not much if you don't have to reapply every 3 months like all other pastes I've tried 

 

Core temps are even as well not much difference maybe 3-4 c

 

 

 

 

 

[raptorddd]

7 hours ago, turbocat said:

Wow Honeywell 7950 amazing stuff I'm eyeballing 77c at 177% core utility on 8750h Alienware 17r5 with undervolt.

 

Before I was dipping in the low 90s with phobya nano grease

 

Highly recommended bit pricey but not much if you don't have to reapply every 3 months like all other pastes I've tried 

 

Core temps are even as well not much difference maybe 3-4 c

 

 

 

 

 

have you tried TF8.? i cant decide wich one to get.

[jaybee83]

20 hours ago, Rofa1234 said:

Arctic MX-6 is coming late October, listed on Amazon: https://www.amazon.de/ACTCP00080A-ARCTIC-MX-6-4g/dp/B09VDL3CW6?ref_=ast_sto_dp

 

I hope it's (much) better for notebooks than MX-4 and MX-5.

oh wow that was fast! wasnt MX-5 basically only just released? makes me wonder why they suddenly sped up their cycle...

 

12 hours ago, turbocat said:

Wow Honeywell 7950 amazing stuff I'm eyeballing 77c at 177% core utility on 8750h Alienware 17r5 with undervolt.

 

Before I was dipping in the low 90s with phobya nano grease

 

Highly recommended bit pricey but not much if you don't have to reapply every 3 months like all other pastes I've tried 

 

Core temps are even as well not much difference maybe 3-4 c

 

 

 

 

 

i keep wondering if the Honeywell 7950 performance is due to its material properties, i.e. being able to balance out wonky laptop heatsinks or if its thermal conductivity is really THAT good. im cautiously tending towards the former, considering this paste is used for mass production OEM purposes.

[cylix]

Hmm...Honeywell 7950 looks interesting. I ordered 5gr to try it on my clevo and see how it is against Phobya

[Papusan]

10 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

oh wow that was fast! wasnt MX-5 basically only just released? makes me wonder why they suddenly sped up their cycle...

Because of bad QC - quality. They was forced to run it EOL to save face and reputation. I expect we will get a re-branded product with different color (fancy paste colors is modern today - Grey is out) and a small change in W/mk specs to lure the buyers. 

 

Arctic appears to be retiring the MX-5 line of thermal compounds due to consistency issues. At Arctic, the product is now labeled "End of Life." 

Arctic halts troublesome MX-5 thermal paste; MX-6 successor spotted at almost three times the price

By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 09/22/2022 07:22 PM

Arctic's MX-5 thermal paste is no longer available and has been replaced by the MX-6. Although the latest version is not yet accessible on the manufacturer's website, it is now available on Amazon. The 4 grams version costs 28.75 euros including shipping. 

Read more

[JeanLegi]

better for them and the customers... was one of the bad ass products ever for cooling.

[jaybee83]

23 hours ago, cylix said:

Hmm...Honeywell 7950 looks interesting. I ordered 5gr to try it on my clevo and see how it is against Phobya

 

21 hours ago, Papusan said:

Because of bad QC - quality. They was forced to run it EOL to save face and reputation. I expect we will get a re-branded product with different color (fancy paste colors is modern today - Grey is out) and a small change in W/mk specs to lure the buyers. 

 

Arctic appears to be retiring the MX-5 line of thermal compounds due to consistency issues. At Arctic, the product is now labeled "End of Life." 

Arctic halts troublesome MX-5 thermal paste; MX-6 successor spotted at almost three times the price

By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 09/22/2022 07:22 PM

Arctic's MX-5 thermal paste is no longer available and has been replaced by the MX-6. Although the latest version is not yet accessible on the manufacturer's website, it is now available on Amazon. The 4 grams version costs 28.75 euros including shipping. 

Read more

 

welp thats a kick in their reputation... havent seen or heard about that, but havent been following latest thermal paste developments. still using my bigass tube of kryonaut, gonna last me a while longer 😄 in combo with my huge supply of Gallinstan supercheap ebay LM haha

 

20 hours ago, JeanLegi said:

better for them and the customers... was one of the bad ass products ever for cooling.

 

so what exactly was wrong with it? pump out / drying? high variance between batches? unwanted separation of components?

[JeanLegi]

some friends had issues with it that it was faster dry then expected after a few weeks.

i use mx-4 over the past 10 years and had never issues like this so maybe the words were to hard but that whole MX-5 thing was not good.

[Rofa1234]

@jaybee83

 

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Current findings from our permanent quality assurance tests show that certain batches of our MX-5 thermal compound contain anomalies in consistency and shelf life. The affected products show an increased separation of oil within the paste, resulting in premature hardening. This can lead to adverse effects and application difficulties.

https://www.arctic.de/en/blog/arctic-press-information-on-mx-5-thermal-compound

 

There were many customer complaints on Amazon and some time later MX-5 completely dissappeared. This paste was a big failure. There are videos from a bad batch, here two of them: