Clamibot Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 On 6/12/2022 at 10:17 AM, jaybee83 said: ohno its not lack of knowledge its different levels for expectations: "upgradeable" for them means ure allowed to swap one ram stick and one ssd 😂 Expand Heh heh. They are using the wrong definition for the word upgrade then. What they mean is expandable. Expandability is the ability to add onto the system by adding more RAM or more drives. Upgradeability is the ability to swap core parts like the CPU and GPU for newer generation parts that offer more processing power. Swapping a hard disk for an SSD would be classified as an upgrade. So would be swapping out your RAM for faster RAM. However, adding more of something is not upgrading the system, it's expanding it. So adding more drives or more RAM is not an upgrade, it's expanding the system. Their terminology is incorrect. 2 1 AlienyHackbook: Alienware M17X R5 | i7-4930MX | GTX 1060 | 32GB DDR3L Kingston HyperX @ 2133 MHz CL 12 | MacOS Sierra 10.12.5 | Windows 10 LTSC | Hackintoshes Rule! Desktop Killer: Clevo X170SM-G | i9-10900K | RTX 2080 Super | 32GB DDR4 Crucial Ballistix @ 3200 MHz CL 16 | Windows 10 LTSC | Slayer Of Desktops Sagattarius A: Custom Built Desktop | i9-10900K | RX 6950 XT | 32GB DDR4 G.Skill Ripjaws @ 4200 MHz CL 15 | Windows 10 LTSC | Ultimate Performance Desktop With Cryo Cooling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldarxt Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 I really hope this "Thin is in" is just a marketing trend to sell everything off the conveyerbelt to make some fast money!!! I can't see the military or medical field wanting these smart phones on steroids to do the jobs they do in hospitals and covert missions. I have to believe the Professional Industry will eventually need the most durable hardware they demand which when what they have now wears out... well... Then, well I guess they will get ROBOTS, I am pretty confident thats where everything is going Clevo P870DM3-G i9-9900k-32.0GB 2667mhz-RTX3080+GTX1080 Alienware M18x R2 i7-3920xm-32GB DDR3-RTX 3000 Alienware M17x R4 i7-3940XM-16GB DDR3-RTX 3000 Alienware M17x R4 i7-3940XM 20GB DDR3-P4000 120hz 3D Precision m6700 i7-3840QM-16GB DDR3-GTX 970M Precision m4700 i7-3840QM-16GB DDR3-T2000M HP ZBook 17 G6 i7 9850H-32GB DDR4-RTX4000maxQ GOBOXX SLM G2721-i7-10875H RTX 3000-32GB ddr4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 On 6/12/2022 at 6:26 PM, aldarxt said: I really hope this "Thin is in" is just a marketing trend to sell everything off the conveyerbelt to make some fast money!!! I can't see the military or medical field wanting these smart phones on steroids to do the jobs they do in hospitals and covert missions. I have to believe the Professional Industry will eventually need the most durable hardware they demand which when what they have now wears out... well... Then, well I guess they will get ROBOTS, I am pretty confident thats where everything is going Expand ure right in this regard, the only reason why nvidia still keeps supporting standard mxm design cards for quadro type gpus (most recent example is the A4500 based on ampere) is their contractual requirement by existing military, industrial, medical and scientific systems that still use these kinds of cards. lucky for us this also gives us a way forward, albeit ultra expensive one @3500 USD for a single A4500 😅 2 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win32asmguy Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 On 6/12/2022 at 6:16 PM, Clamibot said: Heh heh. They are using the wrong definition for the word upgrade then. What they mean is expandable. Expandability is the ability to add onto the system by adding more RAM or more drives. Upgradeability is the ability to swap core parts like the CPU and GPU for newer generation parts that offer more processing power. Swapping a hard disk for an SSD would be classified as an upgrade. So would be swapping out your RAM for faster RAM. However, adding more of something is not upgrading the system, it's expanding it. So adding more drives or more RAM is not an upgrade, it's expanding the system. Their terminology is incorrect. Expand To me anything labeled as a DTR should be as modular as one might find an ITX board. So modular cpu, gpu, memory, storage, wifi. The closest for Alder Lake would be high end mobile workstations from Dell, HP and Lenovo. The NH55JNNQ could have also fit the bill if they had a model without any Nvidia GPU. 4 Desktop - Xeon W7-2495X, 64GB DDR5-6400 C32 ECC, 800GB Optane P5800X, MSI RTX 4080 Super Ventus 3X OC, Corsair HX1500i, Fractal Define 7 XL, Asus W790E-SAGE SE, Windows 10 Pro 22H2 Clevo PE60SNE - 14900HX, 32GB DDR5-5600 CL40, 4TB WD SN850X, RTX 4070 mobile, 16.0 inch FHD+ 165hz, System76 open source firmware, Windows 10 Pro 22H2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KING19 Posted June 12, 2022 Author Share Posted June 12, 2022 On 6/12/2022 at 6:26 PM, aldarxt said: I really hope this "Thin is in" is just a marketing trend to sell everything off the conveyerbelt to make some fast money!!! I can't see the military or medical field wanting these smart phones on steroids to do the jobs they do in hospitals and covert missions. I have to believe the Professional Industry will eventually need the most durable hardware they demand which when what they have now wears out... well... Then, well I guess they will get ROBOTS, I am pretty confident thats where everything is going Expand Its been the trend for laptops for years now. Most OEM's been copying Apple trying to be as thin as possible and having every component to be soldiered to the motherboard. Professional companies often use business type laptops which are much better than consumer based laptops, Better durability, better warranty and not to mention their features as well. Dont expect any consumer based laptops to receive the same treatment as business type laptops. Here another controversial laptop trend that hasnt been mentioned yet. Inverted motherboards!. To me its worse than a soldiered CPU/GPU because its makes upgradeability very difficult to do because you would have to remove the motherboard to do so. Dell been doing this with their Alienware series. Example: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Predator-Triton-500-SE-review-Slim-gaming-laptop-with-RTX-3080-Ti-and-Alder-Lake.627537.0.html 2 Current Laptop: Lenovo Legion 5: AMD Ryzen 7 4800H 2.8Ghz (Boost: 4.2Ghz), 6GB Nvidia Geforce GTX 1660Ti GDDR6 Memory, 15.6" FHD (1920 x 1080) 144Hz IPS display, 32GB 3200MHz DDR4 memory, 512GB M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD, 1 TB Teamgroup MP34 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD, Windows 10 Home 22H2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldarxt Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 I'd like to know what the hospitals are going to mount on their COWs, rollable desks with docking stations that their laptops plug into they push into a patients room so they know who is alive or dead. The mxm type of laptop was durable enough for this job but these new slims dont seem up to the task. What could the hospitals be planning to do? I know, ROBOTS Clevo P870DM3-G i9-9900k-32.0GB 2667mhz-RTX3080+GTX1080 Alienware M18x R2 i7-3920xm-32GB DDR3-RTX 3000 Alienware M17x R4 i7-3940XM-16GB DDR3-RTX 3000 Alienware M17x R4 i7-3940XM 20GB DDR3-P4000 120hz 3D Precision m6700 i7-3840QM-16GB DDR3-GTX 970M Precision m4700 i7-3840QM-16GB DDR3-T2000M HP ZBook 17 G6 i7 9850H-32GB DDR4-RTX4000maxQ GOBOXX SLM G2721-i7-10875H RTX 3000-32GB ddr4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 6/13/2022 at 7:49 PM, aldarxt said: I'd like to know what the hospitals are going to mount on their COWs, rollable desks with docking stations that their laptops plug into they push into a patients room so they know who is alive or dead. The mxm type of laptop was durable enough for this job but these new slims dont seem up to the task. What could the hospitals be planning to do? I know, ROBOTS Expand The hospitals around here have been using thin clients for that for about 10 years now. 1 Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldarxt Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 On 6/13/2022 at 9:05 PM, Reciever said: The hospitals around here have been using thin clients for that for about 10 years now. Expand Oh so they just plug into the thunderbolt port, how about that modern tech lol Clevo P870DM3-G i9-9900k-32.0GB 2667mhz-RTX3080+GTX1080 Alienware M18x R2 i7-3920xm-32GB DDR3-RTX 3000 Alienware M17x R4 i7-3940XM-16GB DDR3-RTX 3000 Alienware M17x R4 i7-3940XM 20GB DDR3-P4000 120hz 3D Precision m6700 i7-3840QM-16GB DDR3-GTX 970M Precision m4700 i7-3840QM-16GB DDR3-T2000M HP ZBook 17 G6 i7 9850H-32GB DDR4-RTX4000maxQ GOBOXX SLM G2721-i7-10875H RTX 3000-32GB ddr4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 On 6/14/2022 at 1:30 AM, aldarxt said: Oh so they just plug into the thunderbolt port, how about that modern tech lol Expand nope, DP to VGA adapter, they use carts with built in batteries. Most of what they do is done via browser. No need for thunderbolt on the frontline for the franchise I supply. Lot of WYSE client 5070's out there in the wild. Even then they are debating just replacing them with laptops, problem is they already have so many built in battery carts that buying laptops would be redundant. The heaviest they go for is the 7820 desktop precision for diagnostics, if they are locally connected to a monitor then they might grab some barco GPU's and corresponding monitors. 1 Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 On 6/11/2022 at 11:57 PM, Reciever said: That's hardly a new design philosophy. Honestly surprised you aren't pointing out that the cpu is soldered as well since they mention ram being soldered, something that's been done on xps 13's for 5+ years at this point. Expand No need to mention this if you look at the new smartphone sized motherboard for the junk. And people are more hanged up in Dell's "new design choice" of the chassis than the soldered on Cpu 🙂 Personally, I'm starting to feel like the quest for thinner, (lighter) devices is becoming too costly to continue. It's bad enough the new XPS 13 has ditched the microSD card reader, but that's admittedly a niche port that many people never have cause to use. But the headphone jack?! As my colleague Henry T. Casey noted, even Apple hasn't gone so far as to remove the headphone jack from its new MacBook Air 2022 (which is thinner than the new XPS 13, by the way), and Apple is the company that kicked off this anti-headphone jack trend in the first place. So if you're frustrated by the lack of a headphone port on your next XPS laptop, know that it's gone because Dell claims laptops are now getting so thin they can't even accommodate a 3.5mm jack. New Dell XPS 13 kills the one thing it shouldn’t — and I’m upset https://www.tomsguide.com/news/new-dell-xps-13-kills-the-one-thing-it-shouldnt-and-im-upset "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Well as far as I'm concerned it's karmic balance lol I'm still jaded they shrunk it from dedicated mic and headphone Jack's before doing away with it altogether. Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtC7 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 3:10 AM, solidus1983 said: @Mr. Fox is going to be proud of me for saying this. A laptop trend that shouldn't of made it mainstream was BGA, anything soldered be it CPU/GPU/RAM/WiFi they shouldn't exsist as they are the hands of obsolescence and obsolescence is the hand of the devil. Be gone BGA begone. Expand Still rocking Mobile Haswell here(4600M), though I will upgrade to a Ryzen desktop soon. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 The scam and notebook trend continue.... Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 headed to laptops with an AD103 GPU More here: 2 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhongze12345 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Wow I really am out of touch with these vain new trends... not a single one of my 11 laptops has a soldered Wifi card. I didn't even think about the fact that Wifi cards can even be soldered. What a shame considering that Intel has deleted drivers for older Wifi cards from their websites (they say it's for "security", but downloading drivers from a sketchy website is far riskier). The Centrino N6200 in my Latitude E6410, which I prefer to travel with over my XPS 15 7590, recently started acting up in Windows 10, and I had to download a driver from a sketchy site since Dell's latest driver doesn't install on Windows 10. Just watch as tons of laptops go to waste in 8 years because someone can't find a basic wifi driver for their computer. Deleting drivers is a pretty a**hole move in itself, but doing so when the components are soldered is an even bigger a**hole move. 5 1 Main #1: Precision 7760 (i9, A4000, 64GB, 2TB, 4K 120Hz), Main #2: Latitude 9430 2-in-1 (i7, 16GB, 256GB, QHD+ touch), Main #3: Precision 7530 (i5 8400H, P2000, 64GB, 512GB, 1080p), Main #4: XPS 15 7590 (i7, GTX 1650, 32GB, 1TB, 4K touch), Precision M6800 (i7, FirePro M6100), 2x Precision M4800 (i7 4900MQ, K2100M, QHD+), 2x Precision M4700 (i7 3740QM, 8GB, 512GB), Precision M6600 (i7 2720MQ, Quadro 3000M, 16GB, 256GB), 2x Precision M6500 (i5 Q740, FirePro M7820, 8GB, 300GB, RGB LED screen), Precision M4500 (i7 Q720, 8GB, 512GB), Precision M6400 (T8400, Quadro FX 2700M, 4GB, 80GB), Inspiron 17 5767 (i7, Radeon R7 M440, 16GB, 1TB), Inspiron 5748 (i5 4210U, 8GB, 512GB SSD), Thinkpad T410, Latitude E6410 (i5 M560, 8GB, 512GB, 900p), Latitude E4300, Inspiron 1525, 2x Latitude D620, Latitude D530, Inspiron 6000, 2x Latitude L400, Thinkpad T43, Thinkpad T42, Thinkpad T41, Thinkpad 600E, 1996 Latitude LM, and many more... Macs: 2x 2012 Unibody 13" MBP (i5, 8GB, 256GB), 2011 15" MBP (i7, 8GB, 256GB, matte hi-res), 2009 17" MBP, 2008 Unibody 15" MBP, 2x 2006 17" MBP (2.16GHz, 2.33GHz), 2x early 2008 15" MBP (2.4GHz), 2007 Polycarbonate MacBook, 15" Powerbook G4 (1.5GHz), 2x 17" PowerBook G4, iBook G3 12" (500MHz), 2x iBook G4 12" (1.33GHz), 2x iBook G4 14" (1.33GHz, 1.42GHz), Titanium PB G4 Vintage Macintosh: 2x PowerBook 180, 2x PB 165, PB 170, PB 160, Clamshell iBook G3 (300MHz, blueberry), 2x PowerBook G3 "Wallstreet" Reveal hidden contents Latitude E4300: SP9400, 4GB, 256GB Inspiron 1525: T9500, 4GB, 1680x1050 2x Latitude D620: T2400, 2GB, 256GB, 1440x900 Latitude D530: T7250, 2GB, 80GB Inspiron 6000: P4 Thinkpad T43: Pentium M 750, 512MB RAM, 60GB HDD Thinkpad T42: Pentium M, 512MB, 80GB Thinkpad T41: Pentium M, 512MB, 60GB Thinkpad 600E: Pentium II (CMOS and fan replacement in progress) Early 2008 15" MBP: T8300, 4GB, 200GB, 900p Early 2007 15" MBP: T7500, 2GB, 120GB Early 2006 17" MBP: T2600, 2GB, 120GB PowerBook G4 Al 15": G4 1.5GHz, 768MB, 60GB 2x iBook G4: 1.33GHz iBook G3: 500MHz 1996 Latitude LM: 133MHz Pentium MMX, 24MB RAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 On 12/28/2022 at 10:40 PM, zhongze12345 said: Wow I really am out of touch with these vain new trends... not a single one of my 11 laptops has a soldered Wifi card. I didn't even think about the fact that Wifi cards can even be soldered. What a shame considering that Intel has deleted drivers for older Wifi cards from their websites (they say it's for "security", but downloading drivers from a sketchy website is far riskier). The Centrino N6200 in my Latitude E6410, which I prefer to travel with over my XPS 15 7590, recently started acting up in Windows 10, and I had to download a driver from a sketchy site since Dell's latest driver doesn't install on Windows 10. Just watch as tons of laptops go to waste in 8 years because someone can't find a basic wifi driver for their computer. Deleting drivers is a pretty a**hole move in itself, but doing so when the components are soldered is an even bigger a**hole move. Expand becomes ever more important to save all compatible drivers for your machines, even more so for laptops! exactly for this reason... Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clamibot Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 On 12/31/2022 at 12:56 AM, jaybee83 said: becomes ever more important to save all compatible drivers for your machines, even more so for laptops! exactly for this reason... Expand Yup, I did exactly that for my Alienware 17 R1 after I got it. I think Dell removed the download for those drivers like 6 or 7 years ago. I still have them available if I do another fresh install of windows. 1 AlienyHackbook: Alienware M17X R5 | i7-4930MX | GTX 1060 | 32GB DDR3L Kingston HyperX @ 2133 MHz CL 12 | MacOS Sierra 10.12.5 | Windows 10 LTSC | Hackintoshes Rule! Desktop Killer: Clevo X170SM-G | i9-10900K | RTX 2080 Super | 32GB DDR4 Crucial Ballistix @ 3200 MHz CL 16 | Windows 10 LTSC | Slayer Of Desktops Sagattarius A: Custom Built Desktop | i9-10900K | RX 6950 XT | 32GB DDR4 G.Skill Ripjaws @ 4200 MHz CL 15 | Windows 10 LTSC | Ultimate Performance Desktop With Cryo Cooling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4980 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 On 6/12/2022 at 6:41 PM, jaybee83 said: ure right in this regard, the only reason why nvidia still keeps supporting standard mxm design cards for quadro type gpus (most recent example is the A4500 based on ampere) is their contractual requirement by existing military, industrial, medical and scientific systems that still use these kinds of cards. lucky for us this also gives us a way forward, albeit ultra expensive one @3500 USD for a single A4500 😅 Expand Question is, will MXM type A even be able to continue with lovelace? They bumped up the 4050 mobile to 115-140w which is absolutely ridiculous considering the 3050 mobile was a 45w-80w part NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4050 Mobile Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database I'd hope there's a new lower tier SKU coming to fit the 60w tgp area 1 Dell Precision 7520: Intel Core i7-7920HQ, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA Quadro T1000 4GB, LG LP156QHG (240Hz QHD, 100% sRGB & P3, 400 nits), Intel AX210 WiFi 6E Dell Precision M4800: Intel Core i7-4810MQ, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA Quadro M1200 4GB, Intel AX200 WiFi 6 ThinkPad T440p: Intel Core i7-4980HQ i5-4300M, 16GB RAM, Intel Iris Pro 5200 HD 4600, N140HCE-EN1 Rev.c2 (1080p) ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 2: Intel Core i5-4300U, 8GB RAM, Intel HD 4400, QHD ThinkPad X230: Intel Core i5-3320M, 16GB RAM, Intel HD 4000, 16:10 2K display ASRock X570M Pro4: Ryzen 9 3900X, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB, Corsair Crystal 280X, Xiaomi Mi Curved 34 + Acer Predator Z35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 On 1/2/2023 at 5:47 PM, M4980 said: Question is, will MXM type A even be able to continue with lovelace? They bumped up the 4050 mobile to 115-140w which is absolutely ridiculous considering the 3050 mobile was a 45w-80w part NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4050 Mobile Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database I'd hope there's a new lower tier SKU coming to fit the 60w tgp area Expand huh thats crazy... welp in theory MXM-B cards would go up to 150W no prob in standard form factor. as for MXM-A, doubtful... but looks like Nvidia is changing tunes, as in maxing out wattage for all tiers, only differentiating via clocks and CUDA cores...huh Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solidus1983 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 On 1/2/2023 at 10:21 PM, jaybee83 said: huh thats crazy... welp in theory MXM-B cards would go up to 150W no prob in standard form factor. as for MXM-A, doubtful... but looks like Nvidia is changing tunes, as in maxing out wattage for all tiers, only differentiating via clocks and CUDA cores...huh Expand It seems that way however with the ever growing thin and lights its going to be an even more hot mess. MXM-B as we know can go as high as 200w. But how its going to be cooled as the node gets smaller beats me. {Main System:} The Beast Reveal hidden contents {Cooling:} Corsair H170i Elite {Mainboard:} Asrock X670E Pro {CPU/GPU:} AMD Ryzen R9 7900x3D / AMD RX 7900 XTX (Asrock Phantom) {RAM/Storage:} 2x 16GB DDR5 Corsair Vengeance 6400MT/s , 13TB WDD SN850X 2x4TB, 2x 2TB, 1x 1TB {PSU/Case:} Corsair RM 1000x V2, Corsair 7000D Airflow (Black) {OS:} Windows 11 Pro Realtek Nahimic 3 Modded Driver for MSI Systems:Latest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1610ftw Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 On 1/2/2023 at 11:59 PM, solidus1983 said: It seems that way however with the ever growing thin and lights its going to be an even more hot mess. MXM-B as we know can go as high as 200w. But how its going to be cooled as the node gets smaller beats me. Expand Last generation gets cooled pretty easily in BGA with not much less watts. Did some TimeSpy runs on an MSI CreatorPro X17 and temps for the GPU did not even reach 60 degrees with 165W TGP and ca. 13.9K Time Spy. That was all stock with no extra cooling and I would expect similar for at least the bigger TongFang, Asus, Lenovo and so on. So I do not really see 200W as the issue here except that Nvidia will usually start throttling at ridiculously low temperatures. The real issue is that MXM seems to be off the table except for workstations from Lenovo and HP and those are usually gimped with regard to TGP nor do I find them desirable with their recent trend to smaller 16" screens and other limitations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 On 1/2/2023 at 11:59 PM, solidus1983 said: It seems that way however with the ever growing thin and lights its going to be an even more hot mess. MXM-B as we know can go as high as 200w. But how its going to be cooled as the node gets smaller beats me. Expand was referring to MXM-B standard form factor, the non-standard cards such as the Clevo desktop 980 did indeed go up to a whopping 200W! Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4980 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 On 1/2/2023 at 10:21 PM, jaybee83 said: huh thats crazy... welp in theory MXM-B cards would go up to 150W no prob in standard form factor. as for MXM-A, doubtful... but looks like Nvidia is changing tunes, as in maxing out wattage for all tiers, only differentiating via clocks and CUDA cores...huh Expand Nevermind, NVIDIA announced today at CES the true TDP ranges for these lovelace mobile GPUs, it's looking good for MXM type A still! NVIDIA announces GeForce RTX 40 Laptop GPU series, RTX 4090 with 9728 CUDAs and 16GB GDDR6 memory - VideoCardz.com Interesting that they allow the 4070 to go down to 35W Dell Precision 7520: Intel Core i7-7920HQ, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA Quadro T1000 4GB, LG LP156QHG (240Hz QHD, 100% sRGB & P3, 400 nits), Intel AX210 WiFi 6E Dell Precision M4800: Intel Core i7-4810MQ, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA Quadro M1200 4GB, Intel AX200 WiFi 6 ThinkPad T440p: Intel Core i7-4980HQ i5-4300M, 16GB RAM, Intel Iris Pro 5200 HD 4600, N140HCE-EN1 Rev.c2 (1080p) ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 2: Intel Core i5-4300U, 8GB RAM, Intel HD 4400, QHD ThinkPad X230: Intel Core i5-3320M, 16GB RAM, Intel HD 4000, 16:10 2K display ASRock X570M Pro4: Ryzen 9 3900X, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB, Corsair Crystal 280X, Xiaomi Mi Curved 34 + Acer Predator Z35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhongze12345 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 On 1/2/2023 at 5:05 AM, Clamibot said: Yup, I did exactly that for my Alienware 17 R1 after I got it. I think Dell removed the download for those drivers like 6 or 7 years ago. I still have them available if I do another fresh install of windows. Expand Oh wow those drivers were taken down very soon... thankfully it seems that Dell keeps their Latitude drivers on their website for a while 1 Main #1: Precision 7760 (i9, A4000, 64GB, 2TB, 4K 120Hz), Main #2: Latitude 9430 2-in-1 (i7, 16GB, 256GB, QHD+ touch), Main #3: Precision 7530 (i5 8400H, P2000, 64GB, 512GB, 1080p), Main #4: XPS 15 7590 (i7, GTX 1650, 32GB, 1TB, 4K touch), Precision M6800 (i7, FirePro M6100), 2x Precision M4800 (i7 4900MQ, K2100M, QHD+), 2x Precision M4700 (i7 3740QM, 8GB, 512GB), Precision M6600 (i7 2720MQ, Quadro 3000M, 16GB, 256GB), 2x Precision M6500 (i5 Q740, FirePro M7820, 8GB, 300GB, RGB LED screen), Precision M4500 (i7 Q720, 8GB, 512GB), Precision M6400 (T8400, Quadro FX 2700M, 4GB, 80GB), Inspiron 17 5767 (i7, Radeon R7 M440, 16GB, 1TB), Inspiron 5748 (i5 4210U, 8GB, 512GB SSD), Thinkpad T410, Latitude E6410 (i5 M560, 8GB, 512GB, 900p), Latitude E4300, Inspiron 1525, 2x Latitude D620, Latitude D530, Inspiron 6000, 2x Latitude L400, Thinkpad T43, Thinkpad T42, Thinkpad T41, Thinkpad 600E, 1996 Latitude LM, and many more... Macs: 2x 2012 Unibody 13" MBP (i5, 8GB, 256GB), 2011 15" MBP (i7, 8GB, 256GB, matte hi-res), 2009 17" MBP, 2008 Unibody 15" MBP, 2x 2006 17" MBP (2.16GHz, 2.33GHz), 2x early 2008 15" MBP (2.4GHz), 2007 Polycarbonate MacBook, 15" Powerbook G4 (1.5GHz), 2x 17" PowerBook G4, iBook G3 12" (500MHz), 2x iBook G4 12" (1.33GHz), 2x iBook G4 14" (1.33GHz, 1.42GHz), Titanium PB G4 Vintage Macintosh: 2x PowerBook 180, 2x PB 165, PB 170, PB 160, Clamshell iBook G3 (300MHz, blueberry), 2x PowerBook G3 "Wallstreet" Reveal hidden contents Latitude E4300: SP9400, 4GB, 256GB Inspiron 1525: T9500, 4GB, 1680x1050 2x Latitude D620: T2400, 2GB, 256GB, 1440x900 Latitude D530: T7250, 2GB, 80GB Inspiron 6000: P4 Thinkpad T43: Pentium M 750, 512MB RAM, 60GB HDD Thinkpad T42: Pentium M, 512MB, 80GB Thinkpad T41: Pentium M, 512MB, 60GB Thinkpad 600E: Pentium II (CMOS and fan replacement in progress) Early 2008 15" MBP: T8300, 4GB, 200GB, 900p Early 2007 15" MBP: T7500, 2GB, 120GB Early 2006 17" MBP: T2600, 2GB, 120GB PowerBook G4 Al 15": G4 1.5GHz, 768MB, 60GB 2x iBook G4: 1.33GHz iBook G3: 500MHz 1996 Latitude LM: 133MHz Pentium MMX, 24MB RAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhongze12345 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 On 1/2/2023 at 10:21 PM, jaybee83 said: but looks like Nvidia is changing tunes, as in maxing out wattage for all tiers, only differentiating via clocks and CUDA cores...huh Expand Realistically, in 99% of laptops, the only differentiating factor will be CUDA cores and clocks rather than wattage. Pushing a 4050 mobile at 115W definitely won't put it at a good place in the performance vs power curve (my Quadro A4000 mobile/RTX 3070 mobile @ 115W is just about in the sweet spot), though it's not unreasonable as the per core power draw is somewhat on par with the desktop variants. Letting the 4070 go down to 35W TGP is criminal considering the memory power draw will be a significant portion of that. Maybe they are trying to sort of "cheat" their way for more efficiency in the ultra low power segment by using super low power/core? For context, to get my Quadro A4000 mobile (same as 3070 mobile) down to 60W power draw, my core clock speeds need to be at 215 MHz, which likely means that to hit that 35W TGP, the memory will be significantly downclocked. 1 Main #1: Precision 7760 (i9, A4000, 64GB, 2TB, 4K 120Hz), Main #2: Latitude 9430 2-in-1 (i7, 16GB, 256GB, QHD+ touch), Main #3: Precision 7530 (i5 8400H, P2000, 64GB, 512GB, 1080p), Main #4: XPS 15 7590 (i7, GTX 1650, 32GB, 1TB, 4K touch), Precision M6800 (i7, FirePro M6100), 2x Precision M4800 (i7 4900MQ, K2100M, QHD+), 2x Precision M4700 (i7 3740QM, 8GB, 512GB), Precision M6600 (i7 2720MQ, Quadro 3000M, 16GB, 256GB), 2x Precision M6500 (i5 Q740, FirePro M7820, 8GB, 300GB, RGB LED screen), Precision M4500 (i7 Q720, 8GB, 512GB), Precision M6400 (T8400, Quadro FX 2700M, 4GB, 80GB), Inspiron 17 5767 (i7, Radeon R7 M440, 16GB, 1TB), Inspiron 5748 (i5 4210U, 8GB, 512GB SSD), Thinkpad T410, Latitude E6410 (i5 M560, 8GB, 512GB, 900p), Latitude E4300, Inspiron 1525, 2x Latitude D620, Latitude D530, Inspiron 6000, 2x Latitude L400, Thinkpad T43, Thinkpad T42, Thinkpad T41, Thinkpad 600E, 1996 Latitude LM, and many more... Macs: 2x 2012 Unibody 13" MBP (i5, 8GB, 256GB), 2011 15" MBP (i7, 8GB, 256GB, matte hi-res), 2009 17" MBP, 2008 Unibody 15" MBP, 2x 2006 17" MBP (2.16GHz, 2.33GHz), 2x early 2008 15" MBP (2.4GHz), 2007 Polycarbonate MacBook, 15" Powerbook G4 (1.5GHz), 2x 17" PowerBook G4, iBook G3 12" (500MHz), 2x iBook G4 12" (1.33GHz), 2x iBook G4 14" (1.33GHz, 1.42GHz), Titanium PB G4 Vintage Macintosh: 2x PowerBook 180, 2x PB 165, PB 170, PB 160, Clamshell iBook G3 (300MHz, blueberry), 2x PowerBook G3 "Wallstreet" Reveal hidden contents Latitude E4300: SP9400, 4GB, 256GB Inspiron 1525: T9500, 4GB, 1680x1050 2x Latitude D620: T2400, 2GB, 256GB, 1440x900 Latitude D530: T7250, 2GB, 80GB Inspiron 6000: P4 Thinkpad T43: Pentium M 750, 512MB RAM, 60GB HDD Thinkpad T42: Pentium M, 512MB, 80GB Thinkpad T41: Pentium M, 512MB, 60GB Thinkpad 600E: Pentium II (CMOS and fan replacement in progress) Early 2008 15" MBP: T8300, 4GB, 200GB, 900p Early 2007 15" MBP: T7500, 2GB, 120GB Early 2006 17" MBP: T2600, 2GB, 120GB PowerBook G4 Al 15": G4 1.5GHz, 768MB, 60GB 2x iBook G4: 1.33GHz iBook G3: 500MHz 1996 Latitude LM: 133MHz Pentium MMX, 24MB RAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhongze12345 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 On 6/13/2022 at 7:49 PM, aldarxt said: I'd like to know what the hospitals are going to mount on their COWs, rollable desks with docking stations that their laptops plug into they push into a patients room so they know who is alive or dead. The mxm type of laptop was durable enough for this job but these new slims dont seem up to the task. What could the hospitals be planning to do? I know, ROBOTS Expand The 7x60 generation of Precisions are quite good, albeit flimsy compared to the Mx700/Mx800 series. Thinking about it makes me miss my M4800 so much. Hopefully I will have enough time this summer to buy one used and max it out, though unfortunately I might be out of state the whole summer for research internships 😟 Main #1: Precision 7760 (i9, A4000, 64GB, 2TB, 4K 120Hz), Main #2: Latitude 9430 2-in-1 (i7, 16GB, 256GB, QHD+ touch), Main #3: Precision 7530 (i5 8400H, P2000, 64GB, 512GB, 1080p), Main #4: XPS 15 7590 (i7, GTX 1650, 32GB, 1TB, 4K touch), Precision M6800 (i7, FirePro M6100), 2x Precision M4800 (i7 4900MQ, K2100M, QHD+), 2x Precision M4700 (i7 3740QM, 8GB, 512GB), Precision M6600 (i7 2720MQ, Quadro 3000M, 16GB, 256GB), 2x Precision M6500 (i5 Q740, FirePro M7820, 8GB, 300GB, RGB LED screen), Precision M4500 (i7 Q720, 8GB, 512GB), Precision M6400 (T8400, Quadro FX 2700M, 4GB, 80GB), Inspiron 17 5767 (i7, Radeon R7 M440, 16GB, 1TB), Inspiron 5748 (i5 4210U, 8GB, 512GB SSD), Thinkpad T410, Latitude E6410 (i5 M560, 8GB, 512GB, 900p), Latitude E4300, Inspiron 1525, 2x Latitude D620, Latitude D530, Inspiron 6000, 2x Latitude L400, Thinkpad T43, Thinkpad T42, Thinkpad T41, Thinkpad 600E, 1996 Latitude LM, and many more... Macs: 2x 2012 Unibody 13" MBP (i5, 8GB, 256GB), 2011 15" MBP (i7, 8GB, 256GB, matte hi-res), 2009 17" MBP, 2008 Unibody 15" MBP, 2x 2006 17" MBP (2.16GHz, 2.33GHz), 2x early 2008 15" MBP (2.4GHz), 2007 Polycarbonate MacBook, 15" Powerbook G4 (1.5GHz), 2x 17" PowerBook G4, iBook G3 12" (500MHz), 2x iBook G4 12" (1.33GHz), 2x iBook G4 14" (1.33GHz, 1.42GHz), Titanium PB G4 Vintage Macintosh: 2x PowerBook 180, 2x PB 165, PB 170, PB 160, Clamshell iBook G3 (300MHz, blueberry), 2x PowerBook G3 "Wallstreet" Reveal hidden contents Latitude E4300: SP9400, 4GB, 256GB Inspiron 1525: T9500, 4GB, 1680x1050 2x Latitude D620: T2400, 2GB, 256GB, 1440x900 Latitude D530: T7250, 2GB, 80GB Inspiron 6000: P4 Thinkpad T43: Pentium M 750, 512MB RAM, 60GB HDD Thinkpad T42: Pentium M, 512MB, 80GB Thinkpad T41: Pentium M, 512MB, 60GB Thinkpad 600E: Pentium II (CMOS and fan replacement in progress) Early 2008 15" MBP: T8300, 4GB, 200GB, 900p Early 2007 15" MBP: T7500, 2GB, 120GB Early 2006 17" MBP: T2600, 2GB, 120GB PowerBook G4 Al 15": G4 1.5GHz, 768MB, 60GB 2x iBook G4: 1.33GHz iBook G3: 500MHz 1996 Latitude LM: 133MHz Pentium MMX, 24MB RAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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