PNY Nvidia RTX A4500 mxm

[toastofman]

Got word from company, they don't sell quantities less than a MOQ.  An MOQ production run is minimum 100 parts, so that's a bummer.  I understand why of course, but it's just dumb in my opinion.  Still trying to get pricing info from PNY for a 100-part lot, but I don't have a quarter-million-plus sitting around for PNY to stuff in the bank either, so there's that.

 

Just wanted to offer info for you fine folks.  If I hear anything else, I'll update.

[jaybee83]

ha yeah, word on the street is that even with direct-to-production-floor connections ull look at a unit price of 3500 USD (wouldnt surprise me if that was without taxes lol)

[ssj92]

On 6/14/2022 at 10:36 AM, toastofman said:

Got word from company, they don't sell quantities less than a MOQ.  An MOQ production run is minimum 100 parts, so that's a bummer.  I understand why of course, but it's just dumb in my opinion.  Still trying to get pricing info from PNY for a 100-part lot, but I don't have a quarter-million-plus sitting around for PNY to stuff in the bank either, so there's that.

 

Just wanted to offer info for you fine folks.  If I hear anything else, I'll update.

How many cards were you looking for?

[Reciever]

Sadly our forum is not that large but if there ends up being a group please keep us in the loop

[aldarxt]

7 hours ago, Reciever said:

Sadly our forum is not that large but if there ends up being a group please keep us in the loop

I would be more curious as to how many orders they are shipping out and who would be buying 100 cards at a time when they are being shipped in coffins!!!

[aldarxt]

36 minutes ago, aldarxt said:

I would be more curious as to how many orders they are shipping out and who would be buying 100 cards at a time when they are being shipped in coffins!!!

The A4500 embedded is not even listed on PNY website as being available. Are they selling ANY? Who has laptops to put them in? How could they sell 100 cards when they will not sell to the public? And whoever buys them will have to remove the old card and what, maybe the old cards like RTX 5000 will go to ebay?

[Aaron44126]

13 minutes ago, aldarxt said:

The A4500 embedded is not even listed on PNY website as being available. Are they selling ANY? Who has laptops to put them in? How could they sell 100 cards when they will not sell to the public? And whoever buys them will have to remove the old card and what, maybe the old cards like RTX 5000 will go to ebay?

 

PNY has never sold MXM cards directly to individuals as far as I know.  (That would be a pretty small market...)  Their target market is companies that want to use the cards in their products.  I'm sure there's some cost to getting a production line set up which is why they have a minimum requirement on how many you can buy at once.

[aldarxt]

2 minutes ago, Aaron44126 said:

 

PNY has never sold MXM cards directly to individuals as far as I know.  (That would be a pretty small market...)  Their target market is companies that want to use the cards in their products.

Yeah but there are no products left

[Aaron44126]

11 minutes ago, aldarxt said:

Yeah but there are no products left

 

It's not just laptops.  For example, I know that Quadro T1000 and T2000 MXM cards were showing up in mini form factor PCs from some brand that no one has ever heard of — someone grabbed one of those and successfully upgraded a Precision M4800.  They could also land in servers and just be used for GPU processing (used to find NVIDIA Tesla MXM cards from those types of systems).

 

But yeah, I have no idea what products these A4500's will show up in, I can't imagine PNY will have that many sales.  But it's a pro GPU and not a GeForce, so they'd be aiming for organizations with deeper pockets.

 

It seems that the only way to source MXM cards for upgrades is to rely on someone else's leftovers (it was mostly that way even before MXM died off).

[aldarxt]

8 minutes ago, Aaron44126 said:

 

It's not just laptops.  For example, I know that Quadro T1000 and T2000 MXM cards were showing up in mini form factor PCs from some brand that no one has ever heard of — someone grabbed one of those and successfully upgraded a Precision M4800.  They could also land in servers and just be used for GPU processing (used to find NVIDIA Tesla MXM cards from those types of systems).  But yeah, I have no idea what products these A4500's will show up in, I can't imagine PNY will have that many sales.

 

It seems that the only way to source MXM cards for upgrades is to rely on someone else's leftovers (it was mostly that way even before MXM died off).

Yes!!! the old cards should be like RTX 5000 and lower, so trying to find out how many orders are being filled for the A4500 could give some insight on availability on the older cards moving to market!!! I dont mind being a step or 2 behind the Industry with deep pockets, their crumbs are sufficient!

[toastofman]

18 hours ago, ssj92 said:

How many cards were you looking for?

 

I was trying to price ONE, but it would be a hell of an expensive experiment if the pricing rumors are true.

[jaybee83]

6 hours ago, Aaron44126 said:

 

It's not just laptops.  For example, I know that Quadro T1000 and T2000 MXM cards were showing up in mini form factor PCs from some brand that no one has ever heard of — someone grabbed one of those and successfully upgraded a Precision M4800.  They could also land in servers and just be used for GPU processing (used to find NVIDIA Tesla MXM cards from those types of systems).

 

But yeah, I have no idea what products these A4500's will show up in, I can't imagine PNY will have that many sales.  But it's a pro GPU and not a GeForce, so they'd be aiming for organizations with deeper pockets.

 

It seems that the only way to source MXM cards for upgrades is to rely on someone else's leftovers (it was mostly that way even before MXM died off).

 

deeper pockets indeed, were talking medical, R&D, military and other high-stakes critical systems where such an in-place upgrade is pennies compared with their total system costs. such potent customers are the only reason Nvidia and a few board partners like PNY still offer such cards. their initial system purchases were made with the promise of long-term support including available upgrade paths down the line. so as long as these contracts arent fulfilled yet, Nvidia will HAVE to make standard MXM form factor gpus available to those customers. lucky for us, albeit at high pricing and "lottery style" availability on the open market 😛 

[MS-16L13]

Lenovo has the A5000 model MXM graphics card, but it is very irregularly shaped.Personally, I think these electrical components fit perfectly inside the standard MXM 3.1 TYPE-B

 

[MS-16L13]

I hope to get an aetina RTX5000 afterwards, this card is very rare and I have only seen a few working ones over the years, the rest are broken.

[MS-16L13]

On a side note, you may also be interested in this stuff☺️

This is the mobile version of the core changed out and it only has 8GB vram of video memory, yes this is a PCI-E interface 8GB vram RTX5000 with 3 video outputs

[jaybee83]

7 hours ago, MS-16L13 said:

Lenovo has the A5000 model MXM graphics card, but it is very irregularly shaped.Personally, I think these electrical components fit perfectly inside the standard MXM 3.1 TYPE-B

 

man this is some weird-a$$ janky form factor... the lengths companies go to break compaibility, just unbelieveable 

[Aaron44126]

48 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

man this is some weird-a$$ janky form factor... the lengths companies go to break compaibility, just unbelieveable 

 

At this point, I think that their primary objective is to avoid soldering the GPU to the motherboard, and that's all.  Since the CPU is already soldered, they have to make a different mobo version for each different CPU that they want to offer.  Soldering the GPU as well would mean multiplying the number of mobo versions for each possible CPU/GPU combination, and/or limiting the CPU/GPU pairings allowed.  This is avoided by keeping the GPU separate.  They couldn't care less if this card doesn't work in older systems, so if it's "cheaper" for them to design & build a janky MXM card like this (rather than try to fit a modern high-power GPU onto standard MXM), no surprise that its what they do.

 

It looks like this particular one was also designed with the "shape" of the system in mind (curved bit at the top is probably where a fan goes).

 

You can also look at HP's Quadro RTX 5000, which is pretty easy to find and is "almost" in the standard shape.  But it has the GPU core in the wrong place so a heatsink mod would be necessary in any system to attach it.

[aldarxt]

17 hours ago, MS-16L13 said:

I hope to get an aetina RTX5000 afterwards, this card is very rare and I have only seen a few working ones over the years, the rest are broken.

The broken ones were probably fighting wars in Ukraine

[aldarxt]

18 hours ago, MS-16L13 said:

I hope to get an aetina RTX5000 afterwards, this card is very rare and I have only seen a few working ones over the years, the rest are broken.

Thats a Beautiful card and it looks like it would turn my m18xr2 or m17xr4 into a UFO!!!

[Reciever]

19 hours ago, MS-16L13 said:

On a side note, you may also be interested in this stuff☺️

This is the mobile version of the core changed out and it only has 8GB vram of video memory, yes this is a PCI-E interface 8GB vram RTX5000 with 3 video outputs

 Would love to play with that, guessing they arent out in the wild that often though?

[ssj92]

On 6/20/2022 at 10:10 AM, toastofman said:

 

I was trying to price ONE, but it would be a hell of an expensive experiment if the pricing rumors are true.

Are you in the US? I can probably get you one but you'd have to be serious about it. It's pricey, I have one pre-ordered. 

[MS-16L13]

3 hours ago, Reciever said:

 Would love to play with that, guessing they arent out in the wild that often though?

This is the card that was created for Ethereum, and there are probably thousands of these RTX5000 graphics cards. There are some very crazy miners, and when the price of ETH spiked earlier, these regular graphics cards were in serious short supply. They chose to customize special graphics cards with some factories. These cards are PCI-E slots but do have mobile versions of the GPU cores. For example RTX3080M RTX3070M RTX3060M There are conservatively estimated to be tens of thousands of these cards and they are quite cheap now. The RTX5000 I have is only $246. The RTX3080M is only $480.These people even use professional graphics cores from the Pascal architecture for their graphics cards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Reciever]

2 hours ago, MS-16L13 said:

This is the card that was created for Ethereum, and there are probably thousands of these RTX5000 graphics cards. There are some very crazy miners, and when the price of ETH spiked earlier, these regular graphics cards were in serious short supply. They chose to customize special graphics cards with some factories. These cards are PCI-E slots but do have mobile versions of the GPU cores. For example RTX3080M RTX3070M RTX3060M There are conservatively estimated to be tens of thousands of these cards and they are quite cheap now. The RTX5000 I have is only $246. The RTX3080M is only $480.These people even use professional graphics cores from the Pascal architecture for their graphics cards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

fascinating! Where would one go to look for these kinds of cards? Alibaba or something similar?

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, ssj92 said:

Are you in the US? I can probably get you one but you'd have to be serious about it. It's pricey, I have one pre-ordered. 

happy to see you found an avenue bud! 🙂

[MS-16L13]

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

fascinating! Where would one go to look for these kinds of cards? Alibaba or something similar?

 China's eaby (闲鱼). If you want more you can choose to contact the manufacturer directly. I'll add some more details about these cards, most of them have no control over the speed of the cooling fan, this is due to the inability to customize the vbios, nVidia will certainly not provide any technical support for these cards, so these cards basically use the vbios extracted directly from the laptop. Most of them come from MSI laptops.

 Another interesting thing is that their electrical component specifications are stronger than most original laptops. This is why they score better on some testing software.

 In the case of the RTX5000 I have, it is using the N19E-Q5-A1 mobile core, and after some processing by the manufacturer it has become 8GB vram. It installs drivers properly and works quite well in Win10. It also performs quite well in most games I've tested, But the one I have is the QS version of the core, the official version is the same PCB as the one I have.☺️