[Various] AMD Ryzen 7600x/7700x/7900x/7950x Reviews

[jaybee83]

3 hours ago, cylix said:

Nice so in January we will have the zen4 3d versions. Will the reign of i9 13900k also be short lived? In gaming i think amd will retake the crown.

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7000-x3d-zen-4-3d-v-cache-cpus-ces-2023-unveil/

 

i think thats a pretty safe bet to make. the measly bump in clocks that the 13900KS promises wont be enough to beat the X3D chips in gaming.

however, AMD should be careful not to place similar barriers as with the 5800X3D, i.e. lower stock clocks and voltage/clock limits. we will see whats up soon enough though 🙂 

[cylix]

@jaybee83

Yes that e

Was the mistake they did, close any oc on 5800x3d. I think now with the new design of the zen 4 there will be no problems to leave it unlocked.

[jaybee83]

4 hours ago, cylix said:

@jaybee83

Yes that e

Was the mistake they did, close any oc on 5800x3d. I think now with the new design of the zen 4 there will be no problems to leave it unlocked.

 

from the info i gathered on the X3D tech, the 5800X3D was a beta run of sorts. they werent confident enough in the new tech to leave it fully unlocked, so they put a voltage limit in place to make sure it doesnt bite them in the butt with RMAs. so second gen X3D should be more mature, no more voltage limiting.

however, what might still be in place is lower clocks at stock due to the added power consumption of the L3 cache layer. but thats no biggie, just remove the power limits, up the clocks and off u go (provided VRMs and cooling is up to snuff 🙂 )

[Custom90gt]

I also think the next X3D will be less limited given Intel dethroning AMD, especially in value. 

[jaybee83]

3 hours ago, Custom90gt said:

I also think the next X3D will be less limited given Intel dethroning AMD, especially in value. 

well they (intel) HAD to compete on price, since both the platform and the power consumption aint cutting it on 13th gen. so instead they shine in RAM OC, raw power and price. something for everyone 🙂 

[Papusan]

Steve at Hardware Unboxed is usually an AMD fan. But he will rather go for a Intel platform with 13600K for (gaming - allwork) over AMDs continued AM5 platform support. Not eeveryday we see such statements from Hardware unboxed. AMD has to do something with the awful prices. Both for the MB and chips. All too expensive.

 

From 19:30

 

[Reciever]

1 minute ago, Papusan said:

Hardware Unboxed is usually an AMD fan. But he will rather go for a Intel platform with 13600K (gaming - allwork) over AMDs continued AM5 platform support. Not eeveryday we see such statements frrom Hardware unboxed. AMD has to do something with the prices. Both for the MB and chips. All too expensive.

 

 

Who's all in favor of lower prices? Roll Call! 

[jaybee83]

15 hours ago, Papusan said:

Steve at Hardware Unboxed is usually an AMD fan. But he will rather go for a Intel platform with 13600K for (gaming - allwork) over AMDs continued AM5 platform support. Not eeveryday we see such statements from Hardware unboxed. AMD has to do something with the awful prices. Both for the MB and chips. All too expensive.

 

From 19:30

 

 

nah wouldnt call HUB AMD fans, they just go for the most sensible hardware. which is usually NOT what the likes of us freaks aim for 😄 thats why his 13900K review was quite negative with regards to power consumption, efficiency and dead-end platform. with the 13600K the priority shifts more towards value in the here and now.

[Papusan]

AM4 Isn't A Good Thing For AMD Right Now. Why buy an new overpriced platform if you can get the old one for cheap? I wonder if AMD want to do the same again for AM5. Not so sure about that. 

 

 

 

Why sell it at $700 if the chips only cost sub 70$ to make? And what is the profits from the MB? Only God knows for now. 

 

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

AM4 Isn't A Good Thing For AMD Right Now. Why buy an new overpriced platform if you can get the old one for cheap? I wonder if AMD want to do the same again for AM5. Not so sure about that. 

 

 

 

Why sell it at $700 if the chips only cost sub 70$ to make? And what is the profits from the MB? Only God knows for now. 

 

 

yeah im worried about that, as well. but it is to be expected that once adoption of AM5 is more wide-spread and they actually allow it to have a long support life, then itll go the same route and have similar popularity as AM4. its a long game!

 

as for manufacturing cost vs. shelf price: well duh! manufacturing cost is only a small part of the total, what about R&D, marketing, logistics, etc? not that straight forward. also, same would go for Intel, as well. i could imagine their manufacturing costs to be even lower due to vertical integration vs. external production at TSMC. so nothing really surprising here 😄 

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

yeah im worried about that, as well. but it is to be expected that once adoption of AM5 is more wide-spread and they actually allow it to have a long support life, then itll go the same route and have similar popularity as AM4. its a long game!

 

as for manufacturing cost vs. shelf price: well duh! manufacturing cost is only a small part of the total, what about R&D, marketing, logistics, etc? not that straight forward. also, same would go for Intel, as well. i could imagine their manufacturing costs to be even lower due to vertical integration vs. external production at TSMC. so nothing really surprising here 😄 

AMD could offer their higher tier chips at same prices as Intel and still get higher profits due the Ryzen chips glued design. But AMDs greed have been there for 5000 series chips as well. They charged 800$ for mainstream. Such disgusting prices have we nevere seen before for mainstream. And greed will fire back. If AMD was smart they should continue offer 5000 series chips and AM4 motherboards in loads. 

 

 

https://wccftech.com/raptor-lake-boosts-intel-cpu-sales-versus-amd-am5-am4-dominates-5800x3d-leads-the-pack/

[jaybee83]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

AMD could offer their higher tier chips at same prices as Intel and still get higher profits due the Ryzen chips glued design. But AMDs greed have been there for 5000 series chips as well. They charged 800$ for mainstream. Such disgusting prices have we nevere seen before for mainstream. And greed will fire back. If AMD was smart they should continue offer 5000 series chips and AM4 motherboards in loads. 

 

 

https://wccftech.com/raptor-lake-boosts-intel-cpu-sales-versus-amd-am5-am4-dominates-5800x3d-leads-the-pack/

 

i think that price drop will come soon enough on AM5... plus Intel is already angering the vendors since they have to cut down the margins so badly that theres barely anything left for the shops. when was the last time that Intel actually competed on price and value, that u can remember? they only do that if they dont have anything else left to lose, should tell u smth...

[Papusan]

AMD Releases AM5 AGESA 1.0.0.3, Reintroduces C-State Boost Limiter with >4 Cores Loaded

Techpowerup.com | Today, 16:11

AMD released the latest version of the AGESA microcode for Socket AM5 platform. The new version 1.0.0.3 most notably reintroduces a Precision Boost C-state limiter that [accidentally?] got removed with version 1.0.0.2. This limiter prevents the CPU cores from boosting above 5.50 GHz when more than 4 cores are active (i.e. experiencing heavy workload). SkatterBencher demonstrated how this affects performance on Ryzen 7000-series desktop processors.

NopBench, a utility developed by ElmorLabs, lets you figure out the maximum boost frequency obtainable as workload scales across available CPU cores (i.e. starting from 1-thread, to n-thread). NopBench invokes the NOP instruction, and measures the number of NOP instructions can be processed per second. To make the NOP throughput comparable among processors of different microarchitectures, an architecture-specific factor is used, which for "Raphael" is 2.5x. By comparing the NOP throughput of a Ryzen 9 7950X processor tested with AGESA 1.0.0.2 to 1.0.0.3 (ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme BIOS versions 0611 vs. 0705); SkatterBencher was able to confirm that that the boost limiter is back in place, and limits Precision Boost frequency to 5.50 GHz when the NopBench load exceeds 4 cores.

 

From the comment section....

 

[jaybee83]

31 minutes ago, Papusan said:

AMD Releases AM5 AGESA 1.0.0.3, Reintroduces C-State Boost Limiter with >4 Cores Loaded

Techpowerup.com | Today, 16:11

AMD released the latest version of the AGESA microcode for Socket AM5 platform. The new version 1.0.0.3 most notably reintroduces a Precision Boost C-state limiter that [accidentally?] got removed with version 1.0.0.2. This limiter prevents the CPU cores from boosting above 5.50 GHz when more than 4 cores are active (i.e. experiencing heavy workload). SkatterBencher demonstrated how this affects performance on Ryzen 7000-series desktop processors.

NopBench, a utility developed by ElmorLabs, lets you figure out the maximum boost frequency obtainable as workload scales across available CPU cores (i.e. starting from 1-thread, to n-thread). NopBench invokes the NOP instruction, and measures the number of NOP instructions can be processed per second. To make the NOP throughput comparable among processors of different microarchitectures, an architecture-specific factor is used, which for "Raphael" is 2.5x. By comparing the NOP throughput of a Ryzen 9 7950X processor tested with AGESA 1.0.0.2 to 1.0.0.3 (ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme BIOS versions 0611 vs. 0705); SkatterBencher was able to confirm that that the boost limiter is back in place, and limits Precision Boost frequency to 5.50 GHz when the NopBench load exceeds 4 cores.

 

From the comment section....

 

 

OMFG ive been wondering about EXACTLY this the whole time! cores are stuck at 5.5 Ghz at stock, like wth?!?! now it makes sense! unfortunately i cant go back to 0611 cuz one of the major updates in 0705 bios is improved compatibility with 40 series gpus 😅

but hey, still got the option of just switching off C state power saving measures entirely, problem solved.

[cylix]

AMD 5800x3d selling like crazy, more then the whole new Ryzen lineup

[Reciever]

14 minutes ago, cylix said:

AMD 5800x3d selling like crazy, more then the whole new Ryzen lineup

I know I want one. @ 340 USD its becoming harder to pass up, sell my existing 2700x for 80 or so? Makes the purchase easier and I guess I could float myself on a 10850K platform lol

[Mr. Fox]

There's a really sad element to that if you're an enthusiast when you stop and think about it. As consumer contentment grows with largely untunable cookie cutter crap that is a one size fits all solution gains traction with the zombie horde, the options to choose something special continue to slowly evaporate. Loss of user control and an increase in creator autonomy go unpunished. It is interesting that sheeple are so lazy that they are willing to pay extra for something they have less ability to control or enhance.

 

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, cylix said:

AMD 5800x3d selling like crazy, more then the whole new Ryzen lineup

lol damn thats crazy. so looks like both RPL and Zen4 are on similar levels. but where is the 13900K?

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

lol damn thats crazy. so looks like both RPL and Zen4 are on similar levels. but where is the 13900K?

Remove older 5000 seriec Ryzen chips from that list and there you have the sales numbers for AM5 platform. 

 

Edit.

Why not just reduce the price for the Cpu and MB and let the people determine themself what memory kit they want to buy?

 

You Will Get A Free 32 GB DDR5-5600 Kit & $50 US Off AM5 Motherboards If Your Purchase An AMD Ryzen 7000 CPU At Microcenter
https://wccftech.com/get-a-free-32-gb-ddr5-5600-kit-50-usd-off-am5-motherboards-purchase-amd-ryzen-7000-cpu-microcenter/

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Why not just reduce the price for the Cpu and MB and let the people determine themself what memory kit they want to buy?

 

You Will Get A Free 32 GB DDR5-5600 Kit & $50 US Off AM5 Motherboards If Your Purchase An AMD Ryzen 7000 CPU At Microcenter
https://wccftech.com/get-a-free-32-gb-ddr5-5600-kit-50-usd-off-am5-motherboards-purchase-amd-ryzen-7000-cpu-microcenter/

It is obvious from the direction that technology is heading (downward) that a lot of people are ignorant, lazy, or both, and prefer to let someone else make all of their decisions for them. This is reflected in their hardware, software and operating system choices. Many people do not overclock anything. I have met a fair number of folks that would proudly tell you they are a tech enthusiast that don't know what overclocking is. Some of them still think of it as a sinful behavior that is always harmful or breaks things. 

 

Many probably don't care if the memory is fast or average as long as the computer boots and runs without errors, and they value the fact that it is "free" more than whether or not it is the fastest kit.

[Papusan]

AMD Is Investigating Reports Of Ryzen 7000 Gaming Performance Anomalies In Windows 11 hothardware.com

 

AMD has issued an advisory regarding reported Windows 11 versus Windows 10 performance deltas in certain games with its newly minted Ryzen 7000 series desktop processors. While the company has not observed any usual performance characteristics so far (and neither have we, for that matter), it is looking claims by those who say they have.

 

 

[Ashtrix]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

AMD Is Investigating Reports Of Ryzen 7000 Gaming Performance Anomalies In Windows 11 hothardware.com

 

AMD has issued an advisory regarding reported Windows 11 versus Windows 10 performance deltas in certain games with its newly minted Ryzen 7000 series desktop processors. While the company has not observed any usual performance characteristics so far (and neither have we, for that matter), it is looking claims by those who say they have.

 

 

 

Garbage OS has all sort of nonsense BS with it. Shame this crap OS is already gaining support on Steam survey (24%), and Netmarketshare (dead now sadly) Statcounter (11%) too. Normies are braindead to discern the difference between anything good or bad so not a surprise.

 

Also AMD / Intel both recommend this garbage junk OS for benching (not surprising because both these companies make billions of devices for the BGA trash and they also want money from this trash company).

 

Worst part is for AMD, despite that as it ruins their CCD system with the new scheduler changes and for Intel it benefits.

 

Microtrash gated off HDR to Windows 11 and Storage API. Add extra complexity of VBR and other Win32 downgrades. It's basically muh "Direct X 12 Ultimate" which is essentially that new Directxstorage for the games utilizing high speed NVMe SSDs for texture loading. And it doesn't do jack for FPS, it just frees up the CPU and thus loading faster some think it will fix Unreal Engine's nasty stuttering problems, I do not have hope on a new game worth my time forget worrying about the API trash. DX12 came in 2015, and in 2022 we have only begun seeing DX12 only thanks to Microtrash enforcing all developers use the newest Windows WDDM thus enforcing Windows 10 versions (spoiler - LTSC 1809 is outdated, I bet by 2024 no game will run on it despite having lifetime until 2030).

 

Some people think PlagueStation 5 is basically magically loading Sony's new games faster because of that  Space Age SSD (Sony claimed it something extraordinary lol), so that's another place whre this BS theories come from about DX12U.

 

Also a reference since I ranted on storage (old HU video from 2020).  SSDs are already much faster for PC and they stay cool. NVMe tend to run hotter and have no advantage for maybe say 60-80% of the PC DIY mainstream users, I like new tech but when there's no point in increasing storage space what's the use ?? NVMe 4.0 4TB are super duper expensive still...5.0 SSDs will have same uber expensive pricing and again limited space with poor value. Well PCIE 5.0 is coming so Microtrash needs more fluff to sell to the idiots who will eat up that koolaid BS Windows 11.

 

 

[jaybee83]

On 10/31/2022 at 5:25 PM, Papusan said:

AMD Is Investigating Reports Of Ryzen 7000 Gaming Performance Anomalies In Windows 11 hothardware.com

 

AMD has issued an advisory regarding reported Windows 11 versus Windows 10 performance deltas in certain games with its newly minted Ryzen 7000 series desktop processors. While the company has not observed any usual performance characteristics so far (and neither have we, for that matter), it is looking claims by those who say they have.

 

 

 

im glad its on their radar, win11 is a trash os for sure but better they try and make it run better on the new hardware than letting it pull down everything with it into the abyss... 😅

 

On 10/31/2022 at 8:02 PM, Ashtrix said:

 

Garbage OS has all sort of nonsense BS with it. Shame this crap OS is already gaining support on Steam survey (24%), and Netmarketshare (dead now sadly) Statcounter (11%) too. Normies are braindead to discern the difference between anything good or bad so not a surprise.

 

Also AMD / Intel both recommend this garbage junk OS for benching (not surprising because both these companies make billions of devices for the BGA trash and they also want money from this trash company).

 

Worst part is for AMD, despite that as it ruins their CCD system with the new scheduler changes and for Intel it benefits.

 

Microtrash gated off HDR to Windows 11 and Storage API. Add extra complexity of VBR and other Win32 downgrades. It's basically muh "Direct X 12 Ultimate" which is essentially that new Directxstorage for the games utilizing high speed NVMe SSDs for texture loading. And it doesn't do jack for FPS, it just frees up the CPU and thus loading faster some think it will fix Unreal Engine's nasty stuttering problems, I do not have hope on a new game worth my time forget worrying about the API trash. DX12 came in 2015, and in 2022 we have only begun seeing DX12 only thanks to Microtrash enforcing all developers use the newest Windows WDDM thus enforcing Windows 10 versions (spoiler - LTSC 1809 is outdated, I bet by 2024 no game will run on it despite having lifetime until 2030).

 

Some people think PlagueStation 5 is basically magically loading Sony's new games faster because of that  Space Age SSD (Sony claimed it something extraordinary lol), so that's another place whre this BS theories come from about DX12U.

 

Also a reference since I ranted on storage (old HU video from 2020).  SSDs are already much faster for PC and they stay cool. NVMe tend to run hotter and have no advantage for maybe say 60-80% of the PC DIY mainstream users, I like new tech but when there's no point in increasing storage space what's the use ?? NVMe 4.0 4TB are super duper expensive still...5.0 SSDs will have same uber expensive pricing and again limited space with poor value. Well PCIE 5.0 is coming so Microtrash needs more fluff to sell to the idiots who will eat up that koolaid BS Windows 11.

 

 

 

yeah man, totally agreed esp on the ssd part. its sad to see that seemingly we only have two options left going forward: either higher capacity ssds with crappy reliability, i.e. QLC or even PLC and without DRAM cache or ultrafast highend drives that cost an arm and a leg at higher capacities (if they even exist, mostly just capped out at 4TB).

why not offer smth with best of both worlds? at current, the best option for high capacity is still samsung 860/870 evo series at 4TB. raid that shit up at 70-80€ per TB cost and u can sleep easy with TLC, DRAM cache, 5yr warranty and samsung reliability. plus, increased performance with each added drive.

so why not offer 8 or 16TB drives like that? put it in a 2.5inch enclosure for sufficient space and offer it with an M.2 or pcie adapter for higher speeds. pcie 3.0 would already suffice to lower costs 🙂 otherwise well be stuck forever at stupidly increasing heat ouputs, empty performance that doesnt translate into real world advantages and the same TB sizes for each and every gen....at higher and higher costs. meh....

 

[1610ftw]

8 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

 

Garbage OS has all sort of nonsense BS with it. Shame this crap OS is already gaining support on Steam survey (24%), and Netmarketshare (dead now sadly) Statcounter (11%) too. Normies are braindead to discern the difference between anything good or bad so not a surprise.

 

Also AMD / Intel both recommend this garbage junk OS for benching (not surprising because both these companies make billions of devices for the BGA trash and they also want money from this trash company).

 

Worst part is for AMD, despite that as it ruins their CCD system with the new scheduler changes and for Intel it benefits.

 

Microtrash gated off HDR to Windows 11 and Storage API. Add extra complexity of VBR and other Win32 downgrades. It's basically muh "Direct X 12 Ultimate" which is essentially that new Directxstorage for the games utilizing high speed NVMe SSDs for texture loading. And it doesn't do jack for FPS, it just frees up the CPU and thus loading faster some think it will fix Unreal Engine's nasty stuttering problems, I do not have hope on a new game worth my time forget worrying about the API trash. DX12 came in 2015, and in 2022 we have only begun seeing DX12 only thanks to Microtrash enforcing all developers use the newest Windows WDDM thus enforcing Windows 10 versions (spoiler - LTSC 1809 is outdated, I bet by 2024 no game will run on it despite having lifetime until 2030).

 

Some people think PlagueStation 5 is basically magically loading Sony's new games faster because of that  Space Age SSD (Sony claimed it something extraordinary lol), so that's another place whre this BS theories come from about DX12U.

 

Also a reference since I ranted on storage (old HU video from 2020).  SSDs are already much faster for PC and they stay cool. NVMe tend to run hotter and have no advantage for maybe say 60-80% of the PC DIY mainstream users, I like new tech but when there's no point in increasing storage space what's the use ?? NVMe 4.0 4TB are super duper expensive still...5.0 SSDs will have same uber expensive pricing and again limited space with poor value. Well PCIE 5.0 is coming so Microtrash needs more fluff to sell to the idiots who will eat up that koolaid BS Windows 11.

 

 

 

W11 is trash indeed - it makes a windows PC look like a bad copy of a Mac and takes hours and hours to regain most of the functionality that we finally got in W10. I have one system that runs it as I was interested in having Android apps on a Windows system for certain reasons but they even fucked that one up offering the Amazon instead of the google playstore - what a monumental fail. 

 

Also agreed on SSDs - for storage it would be nice to have classic TLC based SSDs with lower speed as a cheaper option but there aren't any bigger ones in the m2 form factor and looking at non-QLC m2 form factor SSDs of 4TB and above it makes me think that producing these must be like printing money:

 

 

[1610ftw]

6 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

[...] otherwise well be stuck forever at stupidly increasing heat ouputs, empty performance that doesnt translate into real world advantages and the same TB sizes for each and every gen....at higher and higher costs. meh....

 

THIS

 

Currently we are being taken for a ride by SSD manufacturers and if you are getting a laptop they now basically force everybody to get that ultra expensive stuff if they want more storage or they have to get crappy QLC. By reducing the max number of drives to only two in all but the biggest systems you have to pay even more if you want more than a few TB of storage as then it quickly gets VERY expensive.

 

If it has to be below 100 per TB and not crappy then at 4TB there is only the 2.5" form factor with indeed Samsung and WD offering the best combination of durability and life expectancy and a relatively modest price.