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Anyone try these 8200c38 Patriot rams? I have a pair I am gonna try on air cooling.

The day is over mission completed!! DDR5 8533 C36 is STABLE and PASSED!

The strangest thing I have ever seen with a CPU. The tighter the timings, the easier to stabilize (Loose timings just don’t work).😄 Just started memory testing today, this is my first baseline 8400c36 with fully tuned timings. Gonna work on 8533 tomorrow, then hopefully 8600 after that. Just amazed that I stabilized 8400c36 using some 7200c36 2x48 G.Skill’s. How confusing DDR5 is. This IMC is super strong so far.

No, he just told me about the chip. @Papusan tell me about that CL26 DDR5 8300

CENS best chip was SP109.

The E-Cores on the 14900K are very very strong, probably one of the biggest improvements. It’s crazy what even just like low E-SP80’s can run on 14th gen.

Check out the 14900K Binning chart. It's really cool!

New 14900KF R Batch X337R134.

Gear (1) low latency DDR4 performs really well. I had a 11900K that could reliably run about 4066-4100Mhz CL14. Back then, people were only running like DDR5 6000 range with 12900K chips. So it was very competitive. What 14th gen model would you buy to replace a 12600?

Can you still run DDR4 on these newer AMD 7000 CPU’s? How does really fast/tuned DDR4 compare to faster DDR5 7600?

I would give the 8900XTX a try! But, 7900XTX is not fast enough so no on that one. Yes to 8900XT/XTX, I would give one a whirl 100%. I think with AMD’s next GPU we should see some nice gains where people with 3090/3090Ti are safe to finally upgrade!! I’d also like to try a high end Intel GPU (Please Intel? Where is the Big ARC? Maybe they’ll release an Intel ARC A780X or A790X . Otherwise, I think 4080Ti is maybe my next GPU 100% certain. So long as it has the 14,000+ Cuda Cores and 320 bit bus at least. (almost sounds more like a RTX4080 GTS though lol) why only a 320 bit interface? We should have a 352 but bus at least. 🙏 The 4080Ti is the dang “TI” it’s supposed to be brutally fast and hundreds cheaper than the Titan/90 brand GPU! It should offer value with nearly all that peak performance. I hope Nvidia doesn’t release a crap 4080 Ti. It should be within 15% of a 4090 honestly. Prior Ti’s were all amazing besides the 3090Ti. But we’ll see. And, if it’s $1,199 USD. That would be amazing. Same cost as 2080Ti which was an awesome GPU! But I feel like the 4080Ti is gonna have to be strong to be worth $1200 bucks. There’s only so much time left for the beast 4090 to reign supreme. It’s time to offer most of that power and performance, but only at a lower price.

Maybe these specs are true for the RTX4080Ti? If that’s the case maybe it would only be about 20% slower than 4090?

I got the €1550 one for €1348. Yes it was expensive. I’m happy it’s the 2nd best though, and CENS not coming off the 1st best. But I would have gladly taken one of the cheaper ones too. I’m pretty surprised they all sold and went so quickly after a few people including my self bought the very first ones. You had to be fairly quick with his follow up sales post to grab one of the cheaper ones. I looked back in my emails, and saw that I bought my 13900KS in March of 2023. So I had a long run with a below average SP104 KS. I’ll keep this new chip until 15th gen. I’ll be able to get at least a good year out of it. Until 15th gen is out in the wild.

One of my friends bought CENS last R batch chip. He bought the P-SP117, E-SP84, and mcsp85, he paid €1,248 EUROS shipped. So about $1,350 USD. CENS tested over 65 CPU’s and every single one of them was an R batch. So, he was essentially binning and selling the very best, from the “Should be” very best chips. Very nice CPU though. And the prices for these chips are not bad at all, considering what retail US samples are looking like. You are essentially guaranteeing your self a very strong P/E core with low voltages and also a very strong IMC. 😎 I’m all for it! Buy once cry once. Unless KS comes out, then it’s buy once cry twice. 😂

This looks like a really tricky cpu to delid. Not just that, but you have 3 dies to clean and worry over lol. I’ve seen a few of these break after delids. I am starting to change my views on delidding. Of course it works amazingly well on some chips. But I have kind of realized that the gains are only +100Mhz for Intel chips. I am gonna give the stock IHS and stock Intel solder a solid chance with my new 14900KF. And if it’s great I am gonna leave it be. But if it is unsatisfactory, then I’m delidding it and going back to Supercool direct die cooling. I’d rather run the stock Intel IHS and stock Intel solder because of its longevity and consistency after long periods of time. Fingers crossed. With chilled water and lots of flow rate, you’d think it would work extremely well. (I hope so) 🙂

Got me a waterblock ready. This thing was disgusting inside from using some cheap pastel coolant with it in 2020. I had to sand it down to bare copper and make it completely flat. 400 dry sand 400 wet sand 600 dry sand 600 wet sand 1000 dry sand 1000 wet sand This block is as flat as flat can be. One thing I don’t have is proper mounting hardware. So, I had to use what I had. Using just long screws with plastic washers on each side to protect the motherboard. Hopefully this works okay.

I know! I’m ready to test it. It should be crazy strong. That P-SP128 KS would manage 1.274V at 6.0P/4.8E which is still righteously good. While I have seen a SP103 R-batch 14900K with direct die and 14C water managing 1.205V. So, I think SUB 1.200V load voltage for 6Ghz is already going to be easy. And absolutely SUB 1.100V load for 5.8Ghz. I have a waterblock that I cleaned up for it ready to go already lapped it flat. If I’m happy with it, I may not even delid it. It shouldn’t need it with 13-14C water.

I delidded and tested two different SP117’s from two different people. Unfortunately I was using a MSI Unify-X Z690 right at the time frame. So no bios VID’s. I did make videos of both chips though, if anything useful can be gathered from that. This was a (SP117 KS) This chip has P-SP128 P-Cores . It ran 6.0/4.8/5.1 with around 1.274V load. It was a really nice CPU but quickly ran out of steam. I even told him I had tested better with lower SP, and he actually sold it apparently and bought another high bin. P-SP124 (SP117) (This P-SP124 was far better and it would run 6.1P/4.8E/5.1R with 1.298V. This was a crazy expensive cpu from a Europe overclocker that a guy in the US bought. This chip was just very good. By far the best KS I have ever tested. I made two videos on the P-SP124 chip. At 5.8Ghz and at 6.1Ghz. @electrosoft I know the P-SP124 KS had 5.8 VID of 1.369V. I forget the others though. My P-SP121 13900K had a 1.363V 5.8 VID and the KS would just obliterate it. It was no comparison.

I always have fun looking at VID and SP ratings, and then speculate with mental overclocking on how good something may be. I’ve always enjoyed doing this. But who even knows how good any of these chips may be in real life haha. I got a masters degree in speculation man 🤣

Few things I want to mention why that chip would still be an utter monster though, not for You / Or @Mr. Foxthough lol. And someone would absolutely want to negotiate a better price if someone did buy it. Because it’s like 1,150 USD not including shipping 🤣 (1) The P-Cores are solid. It’s all good there. (2) The E-Core VID is based on 4.4Ghz. So we can’t compare that to a 13900KS. The IMC is only MCSP79, but this is a 14900K so it’s a smidge better. So DDR5 8200+ is a done deal 100%. @Mr. Fox Below is a 14900K R batch with no delid and its E-Core E-SP is only 86 🫣! And that beast is chugging Y-Cruncher 2.5B at 4.9Ghz on the E-Cores 🤯🤯🤯. Its E-Core VID is 1.299V. I’ve tested a (SP117 Global) 13900KS with E-Core SP of 103 and I couldn’t get it to run at 4.9Ghz with my chiller and direct die no matter what I did 😞 This tells us that a E-Core 85 on a 14900K is more than enough. I think 14th gen has seen a substantial improvement to the E-Core quality.

Does your E-Core voltage change when you set it to 4.4Ghz? If so, what is it?

Yes, I saw that. I think that SP106 chip CENS is selling would be a really solid chip for someone. What I’m really curious is how those E-Cores compare. Because my 13900KS has a E-Core VID of 1.324 with SP86 E-Cores, but that’s for 4.3Ghz. So if that SP106 chip is SP85 E-Cores and a lower VID of 1.304V that’s gotta still be really good because that is 4.4Ghz. So, those are still some really really good E-Cores probably. Maybe SP95 equivalent for 13900KS? As for the IMC SP I think that’s the main issue being mcsp 79, but people say it’s about +3 compared to 13900KS so I’m sure it could still rock DDR5 8200-8400 easily. I think the SP106 he is selling is a winner though. Maybe not the best IMC. But strong chip. And it’s not too crazy expensive.

Those 4090’s aren’t too bad of a value. I’d rather pay $1,200 for a 4080 Super with 20GB and be just a little slower though. But this $1,500-$1,600 is the new norm LOL. And yeah the 4090 is a tank. I should have bought one 😫

I am not liking the direction that supercool computer is going. Their new 14th gen DD design is $155. I already know my lapped 13th gen Supercool DD would slay it. Bigger is not better. More expensive is not better. His prices are scaling up, and the parts are getting fancier looking. I mean, I think it’s great. But dude we like the cheap direct die kit lol.

It’s easy to get the bug when buying retail chips. You start getting in that hunt mode. I’ve been there my self. I am blown away by Sugi’s 14900K. It’s a SP104/ MC87. This is what kinda pushed me to go for another chip. And that thing is running Y-Cruncher 2.5B at DDR5 8850c38 and some crazy tight timings. It has P-Core of just SP111, but it just hammers on direct die with a super good IMC. What an amazing CPU. That’s the one Asus sent him. Not the best by any means, but just a really well rounded chip. sugi0lover screenshot below. Look at that SP104 and MC87 just whooping DDR5 8850 below. It’s so impressive. @electrosoft @Mr. Fox