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You have a white Z790 Apex too though right? I will say this, the RGB lights are so much better on the Encore for sure (See the pic below) They look almost opaque in color and a solid light. They look sick! Also, that little memory cooling fan on the Encore is a screamer! It actually blows good amount of air. I reversed mine and let it blow on the back of my GPU. It legit WORKS. I was surprised. At 100% speed in bios, it gives off a server whine sound though. But It sounds kinda cool. And it puts out some air.

I am using the release bios that was pre-installed on the board. After setting SA voltage like my other Apex it is solid solid! DDR5 8600 is working very well. I think the included bios is probably okay.

@Papusan I’d watch that auto SA voltage with Apex Encore. It’s crazy low! I fixed that and all is well with Encore overclocking. But my DDR5 8600 profile was badly unstable at first with random BSODS. Then I see my auto SA voltage was 1.225v 😂 Maybe also check your IMC voltage too, it’s effective manual voltage keyed in, is substantially lower than what you may have typed in manually. So, I think this and SA is why a few people were reporting poor overclocking. Anyways, this is a new board and very first bios. That SA and IMC voltage were giving some trouble at first. Auto SA just does not scale at all. The Vanilla Z790 Apex has an abnormally high SA voltage out of the box, which helped with streamlined memory OC.

Encore installed!!! 🙂

I like this profile right here. 6.3P on (4) cores 5.8P on (8) cores. 4.4E like a 14900K, and DDR5 8600. Only 1.217V underload.

I’m not jealous one bit. Waiting on KS. Waiting on KS. 🙂

This ram is so cool! And it actually uses real thermal pads with a legitimate forged aluminum heatsink. (Not a stamped piece of tin 🤣) This ram is a great buy for anyone in the market for premium top of the line though. Corsair Titanium DDR5 8000 C38 and it’s (2x24GB) for $275 dollars. I feel ripped off by G.Skill for sure! If I hadn’t already gone water cooled and stabilized DDR5 8600. Then, I would own those new Corsair Titanium’s 🙂too bad they don’t work with custom ram watercooling due to their custom PCB. What a cool ram kit, for a very reasonable price. https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/memory/CMP48GX5M2X8000C38/dominator-titanium-rgb-2x24gb-ddr5-dram-8000mt-s-cl38-intel-xmp-memory-kit-cmp48gx5m2x8000c38?gad=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIip_OsoCQggMVfzfUAR3fDA6mEAQYAiABEgILrfD_BwE

Can you really mount a GPU like that in that case? That looks awesome.

It’s wouldn’t say it’s “Asus”. It’s probably has to do with meeting demand is all. I remember the first batches of Pascal had Samsung, but the 2nd wave of 1070’s to come in-stock had Micron on some cards. I think the micron met the spec and it was used as an alternative GDDR5 no?

The GTX1070’s are just such an amazing value is all, AIB’s we’re using anything in place of GDDR5, to meet that demand lol. They were beating the GTX980Ti by 3% in all games at any resolution and were selling like hot cakes left and right. Even peoples grandmas were buying them up simply because they were such a “Good value” 😂 Anyways, funny how Micron is the best now? Or at least my 3090 Kingpin has Micron, and boy do them things overclock like no bodies business. And even with our DDR5, Samsung sucks in todays standards! 🤣 It’s so weird, because you wanted Samsung ram with a GTX1060/GTX1070 any GTX1060/1070 with Micron was considered a loser.. But the best GPU memory was the new GDDR5X stamped on the new GTX1080 which was SURPRISE SURPRISE Micron and 10,000Mbps, and it overclocked pretty darn good! Then back around with the 2080Ti’s Samsung is best lol. Which I had a 2080Ti FE with Samsung and it was a GREAT clocker. Tech makes no sense at all to me.. 🙂

Why not just go with a custom loop with the revolt case? Would that work?

How come you have not been running that binned ks more? Is it slower than the Ryzen chips in the games you play?

I think the best value is the G.Skill 7200’s 2x24GB Hynix 3GBit m-die kit. I was super frustrated with my current ram just a few days ago, however, I updated my bios and lowered my expectations with timings because it is 48GB after all, and I’ve hit gold with my current sticks. Previously, I’d run some crazy high gaming stable overclock of like 8800Mhz+ on my ram it would be game stable but not actually stable stable, but now I’ve started pushing for “Actually stable settings” which is new to me. But I finally have that magical DDR5 8600 truly stable on my 2x24GB 7200 sticks with only 1.500V VDD/ 1.450V VDDQ. These are only $200 dollar sticks which ain’t bad for a 48GB kit. I was also running another DDR5 8000C34 profile that was very fast and also actually stable. I cannot get 8800+ stable for more than about 8 minutes on TM5. But then again, I’m also not all that great with memory overclocking and timings etc. You can kind of go both ways with this kit. High speed higher timings or lower speed with some much much tighter timings. As far as I can tell, I do not think the newer faster memory kits offer any better bang for buck. Just a ton of money wasted lol. If you can find the 8000 kit for around the same price or not much more, I’d also go for those too! I think it’s all about the same stuff though and luck of the draw.

I think it would be cool if a GPU maker would do a “Throw back” styled GPU from the era when GPU’s first started getting fans and styling and all that fancy stuff before it took off. Green PCB or blue PCB like BFG did back in the day. I dunno maybe even a red PCB lol. Use a clear heatsink shroud 🤣 so cool. I miss the days.

Mega Gamer? oh my lordy. That is some serious cheese. 🤣

I found some proper timings that work, and I am working from the bottom again on my 7200-memory kit. Check this out though! @Mr. Fox So, I got a hold of the 8600XMP timings for the memory kit that is not even out yet. I set these exact timings on my sticks, I bumped the tREFI to 131K set only 1.500V VDD, and 1.450V VDDQ. And it is 20+ minutes in TM5 so far. I am surprised by this one for sure. 😀 That kit will be $500 dollars no doubt lol. And it runs on my 7200's just fine. Now, my temps are 18C but, still this is flipping awesome. Gotta try these timings for sure!!! @Talon @Papusan @electrosoftthis would probably work for you as well if you have the Hynix 3Gbit M-Die 48Gb kits.

It’s not my screen shot of the Asrock app, I got it from someone with the 8400 sticks lol. But yes, I saw that too but I didn’t say anything to him about it oops 🤣

@Talon Not sure if you already bought the new rams on Newegg or not, but I took my 2x24GB DDR5 7200 sticks and I copied the timings from those brand new $400 dollar DDR5 8400 sticks, I started with 1.450V the exact same timings as their stock XMP and a frequency of 8400. Well, it has passed over 30 minutes of Anta777 Extreme just fine. I’m going to keep reducing voltage, and then just build on these timings. But, so far so good. Something to consider. Im using my white APEX with bios 1402. Timings are like a key to a lock, I swear lol. But, now that I got them it sure makes overclocking these dimms and making them actually stable stable very easy with a base line to go back to. Now, I’m not sure if low temps are the cause here for my stability. Maybe so. But it’s still worth a try. Even just my 8000c34 profile is faster than the 8400XMP profile, but timings are so tough because finding that right combo for a specific frequency that’s actually stable is very difficult and time consuming. This makes it easy, then build on top of that.

Did you get one? Lol. Yeah I need hardware rehab too sometimes. Honestly, I have not even opened the Apex Z790 Encore yet. I am gonna tear my system down when the rest of my parts come in though. Then I will have time to think on if I’m going to open that box and really run the Z790 Apex black encore or stick with my Z790 Apex white. I really bought it because I felt like they were gonna be super super limited in supply, and sold out right away and for an eternity lol. I was not sure if it actually was going to offer any substantial improvement, so I bought one on a whim just in case. It looks like real overclocking performance gains are definitely there though, however the white Z790 Apex is already so dang good we can’t even reach its limits with all IMC’s and pretty much all current DDR5 available. Some of the guys behind its PCB and bios engineering have mentioned +200 or +400Mhz more overclocking on memory is realistic and as high as +600Mhz more on benching ram speeds over the standard Z790 Apex Vanilla, but again with our current IMC limits and DDR5 limits, I don’t really know how meaningful this is. It’s definitely going to shine maybe with a 14900KS and only the most recent DDR5 to come in the future like DDR5 8600-8800 kits in the future. But unless you have some handpicked DDR5 that can do more than 8800+ and a handpicked IMC that can go past 8800+ you’re not limited by your motherboard one bit.

Okay..I opened the shipping box. Just to peak, just to peak. 😬 Not like I have any use for high performance overclocking motherboards anyways. I doubt I’ll even use this thing. 🤪 Who here believes me? @Mr. Fox this box feels just like the Z690 Apex lol. I do enjoy the Apex line though just saying. BIG bios learning curve moving from EVGA though.

I ordered a bunch of tubing, and I am literally going to be tearing my entire system apart. I want a bucket of used fittings by the end of tonight so I can start from scratch and have a fitting available for every run of tubing when I reach for one lol. Fittings are scarce around here. I keep buying more, and they just disappear 🤣 @Mr. Fox I also ordered the Aqua computer Dual D5 top so I can eliminate the 300MM EKWB PUMP/RES that I am using, and be able to add my (5th) D5 pump. 🤯 wow, five D5 pumps. You know what’s funny? If I run my (4) D5’s at a slightly lower speed of just 80% I don’t get air build up in my system. But, full speed on all of the pumps causes air build up. I’m wondering if the Mbar pressure is too high in certain areas or for certain components. I don’t exactly believe this theory, and I still feel like I’ve got a bad tube or fitting some where that’s failing under pressure. (I’m determined to find it) This is a big loop, and I’m gonna try to take my time when I set it up from scratch.

The new Threadripper naming is so familiar. Sounds like Intel 7960 and Intel 7980 names which carry legendary performance and longevity.…. 🤣

Yeah you’re right, I have really just changed my tune on memory stability. So, I would set DDR5 8800 and go test it in games and other real world apps, and if it was reliable 24/7 I would leave it at that. It was not until first hand experience seeing the downsides of a “Jufis Stable” memory overclock. These instabilities are not easily noticed but are more underlying with poor 0.1% lows and inconsistent latency in games that may cause skipping which are the most common issues that occur. This drove me to want a true stable memory overclock, which is why I run this DDR5 8000C34 right now, because my sticks just can’t produce much better and be 100% stable with no errors. The problem with this is, most memory kits cannot do DDR5 8800 true stable. We’d have to buy like (8-10) sticks of 24GB Hynix 5600/6400 and test each stick one at a time, then run the best (2) together. I can’t even find the Green stick 24GB Hynix stuff anywhere. This does make me happy about the 8400/8600 XMP stuff coming out especially with only 1.400V (That’s impressive, but not for $400 dollars lol..) My IMC is good to go, my motherboard(s) pick your poison black or white are both good to go lol. But not my 7200 sticks.

I think my ram sucks… And I’m ready to toss it. I can make it 5 minutes on Anta777 Extreme with my (2x24GB) 7200 sticks while @ 8800C40. Im sending lots of voltage. The more voltage I send the longer it runs the test. 🤣 My CPU IMC seems to be happy with it, but this is seriously feeling like a ram limitation. I want some of those 8400 sticks. I bet they could do 8800 TM5 stable.