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Thanks, much better prices from them for sure. Kinda expensive to build one of these though. I wish the new stripped down Asrock 2.0 boards were available as promised for their $499.99 price. I was able to find a great deal on ram though. All of this is just a little too rich for my blood. Let me tell me wife I require it real quick. 🤣 W790 Motherboard: $840 Xeon 2565X CPU 18/36: $1400 4x16GB DDR5 6000c32: $296 $2,500 for a budget build on Sapphire Rapids. CPU/Mobo/Ram only. 😆

@Papusan ^ He even has a little rape whistle around his neck. Just in case 😆 de duplicate

That makes sense. I think most of the want for me surrounding this platform is merely from coolness and uniqueness of it lol. After owning it, that may wear off, and we’ll want to get back to basics. I would be curious of the gaming performance of these though. No E-Cores, and maybe 64GB of DDR5 6800, I can only assume it would still offer a good gaming experience. I also wonder how high the cores would overclock. The biggest problem I see right now is why Newegg and other retailers are selling these chips for more than their MSRP. The 2565X is only supposed to be $1339-1349. Makes no sense they are scalping them and selling drastically over the MSRP.

Yeah that makes sense. I am just amazed that Intel has offered such a platform. Asrock released a W790 2.0 LGA4677 motherboard which was supposed to retail for $499.99, that alone is a great buy. I just checked the QVL, and someone can run 128GB of DDR5 6800cl32 just fine on one of these systems. The CPU cost is initially expensive, and these platforms do require RDIMMS which is ECC Registered DDR5. But we have the choice of last gen chips for this socket which are cheaper, and the ECC ram is available in Hynix-A die which can be overclocked or XMP Enabled. The die and IHS is huge on these chips, so I can only assume these big processors would run even cooler than X299 ever did. That Wendell guy on Level1Tech is always doing videos on these platforms. We are in a time where we are literally offered overclocking Hynix-A die ECC registered server memory that has a XMP profile, that is just awesome and nuts at the same time lol. I guess Intel was forced to do this since AMD allows this as well. Anyways, if I did run such a platform, I would use a Xeon 2565X which is 18/36 and unlocked, and probably some DDR5 6800c32, and I’d see how far the ram can go and how tight the timings can get. Cinebench on one of these chips is comparable to a 14900K, but once you start overclocking this 2565X from its tame low power 3.2Ghz all core, it starts ripping very fast. I could only assume such a large monolithic die could easily do something like 5.2Ghz+ all Core easily. I remember benching my 7980XE at 4.9-5.0Ghz all-core and it has a smaller die, and much older silicon. So, I’m not really sure how high one could even clock a 2565x, and how much power it would consume, not much info on this 🤣 The coolness and curiosity is absolutely there 100% though! What a cool platform that has been hiding in plain sight all this time. Xeons for everyone, in all core counts, with unlocked multipliers and overclocking server ram 🤯. The W790 motherboards even have WiFi and Gen5 PCI-E Support.

Take a look at these Sapphire rapid platforms. These are overclockable, unlocked, and even allow up to DDR5 6800+ on the ram. They have all of the modern features as Z790 does, only these CPU’s do not use E-Cores on the CPU’s they have all real big cores lol. “Think very modern and unlocked 7980XE” lol. It’s so cool! Or modern Xeon 3175X lol. Intel has the Xeon 2565X which is a TRUE 18/36 unlocked Xeon chip that supports DDR5 6800+ in Quad channel, so the bandwidth is really impressive. I had no idea this platform even existed. They have much more powerful CPU’s available that drop right in to the same socket. Really an awesome platform. The IPC is very very good! These could easily be used as gaming CPU’s in a normal PC or work station PC that has full on overclocking ability. Another note: LGA 4677 water blocks are available from several manufactures. So this platform does not have many limitations. I feel like I have been under a rock. $1,500 for a CPU like that is expensive. But not too crazy. I have seen the motherboards as low as $700 range. Considering one could drop in a Xeon 3595X which is 60/120 cores/threads and is also unlocked. It’s not a too terrible value. Stuff like this intrigues me. I’m amazed Intel went the direction we all scratched our heads about years ago. Intel makes a whole slew of unlocked Xeon CPU’s released in 2023 and 2024 for this socket LGA 4677. @Mr. Fox Check out this video! https://youtu.be/jSae9muJviI?si=JI-YCpdR7dJTS4ib

Thats pretty much exactly how I ran it every single day. That chip has a very good memory controller. Those are some pretty crazy tight timings man!

@electrosoft you getting a 9950X3D or a 285K?

Z890 is probably not going to come rolling out the gate at peak potential either. There will be some serious growing pains with bios, new rams, new traces and all. I’m only upgrading to try something different. Assuming motherboards are available and not priced crazy high. Worst case scenario, I have to buy another 14900KS who knows what kind of sample it may be. And if I have to do this, then I’ll be buying a nice case too, and building a normal PC for my new office. I want to get a case and run (2) large radiators. Preferably HWLabs GTX radiators. I want a HW Labs GTX 560mm on the bottom of case, and a HW Labs GTX 480mm on the top, air flow would be going like this ^^^^^ bottom to top. I’m gonna use a 240mm Plexi distribution plate with a D5 pump on the front of the case, and also I will add about 2-3 additional D5’s in the basement of the case for extra flow and pressure. Maybe throw them all down there LOL. 😆 ^ This is new goal in mind for new build, and I’m more excited about the new case and new rads and build overall then If it uses a Z790 Apex or Z890 Apex. I really don’t care. 🤷‍♂️ it’s gonna be awesome either way. 😎

The 4 dimm boards are running 7200+ just fine right now, I have my sons really cheap Z790 Asrock at 7000c34 (This like a $119 dollar motherboard) (I cannot go further because it’s a 12900KS, so IMC LIMITS) Most people hitting 7600-7800 range on Z790 (4) Dimmers though with 13/14 gen. Some better chips hitting DDR5 8000.

It really is. Regardless of what (4) Dimm Z890 options are released, these new Z890 (4) Dimm boards shouldn’t have any trouble with DDR5 8600 or even DDR5 9000 and will probably be comparable or better than all of the Z790 (2) Dimm boards. This is what happens with Z690 going to Z790.

I’m going to buy the cheapest one available. Probably Tachyon. Or Asrock. I know MSI and their $2,000 GodLike even more expensive than the Asus Extreme. That new Unify-X is gonna be PRICEY! Probably $799 for Unify-X, and $879 for Apex. The Asrock probably $629.99 and Tachyon most likely $699.99 since their last one was already $599.99. (I know right, only $49.99 cheaper than a Apex Encore 😂 and it wasn’t nearly as good so now that they have Kingpin it’s gonna be outrageously high price) maybe do like EVGA did. Laser print his signature on in gold pen the box and sell for $99 more 😆

Now that I think about it, I really think this is when MSI needs to launch the Mpower series boards. I hope so anyways. Z890/ two dimm slots/ and $200 something dollars. Honestly, even $379 would be kind of affordable/reasonable. The only thing about moving away from Asus is we won’t know the SP rating or VID‘S. But I guess that doesn’t matter much anyways.

I hope they don’t try to kill us on board prices this go around with Z890/LGA1851. $649.99 for Apex Z790 Encore was already steep. Some retailers even had it for like $619.99 Central Computers. This is almost like artificial inflation lol. It’s gonna end up forcing me over to AMD 9950X3D (I’ll jump ship if I have to, don’t want to but if Z890 Apex is $849 that’s silly) LOL. Or I’ll have to buy another random 14900KS close my eyes and cross my fingers and hopefully get something like what I just mailed to @Mr. Fox today. That chip had a really great memory controller. And I’ll just hang on to my Z790 Apex. I have not ran an AMD chip since AMD 64 and Venice socket 939. Another option is MSI UNIFY-X Z890, so long as MSI doesn’t try to price it crazy as well, it’ll probably be even more feature packed then Apex lol. 😆

That laptop has a body like a Backhoe 100%, and this referenced video is definitely kinda disturbing lol. 😂

I miss the old laptop days when you could get a desktop cpu. And also SLI. Was really really cool.

Yep! 11th gen was really cool. 9900K with 8/16 could not hold a candle to 11900K with 8/16. The platform will ultimately only be as good as how the media/youtube perceives it. Many won’t upgrade though. Some people resist through several generations and hold off until they see gains like what a RTX5090 will give us over a RTX4090. I need to be like those people. It’s hard to resist for me though. Especially when the new motherboards start pouring in on Newegg, and new chips, new ram. So I’m gonna try to avoid it all. The worst temptation is going be Z890 Apex for me. Also, I have the Optane 905P drive. I haven’t even actually gotten to use it. I’m going to have to remove my 4090 so I can pull the motherboard m.2 heatsink/cover to plug it in to a normal Gen4 M.2. I tried to run it through the Dimm2 using an U.2 to M.2 ribbon cable and it wasn’t detected in Windows for some reason.

It might surprise us, but now I’m hearing rumors LGA1851 is a single launch cpu socket only which is also discouraging. May just be a rumor at this point though. We have to see how it does in gaming though I suppose. Maybe it’s got some hat trick in waiting. But even this 13900KS is a real slayer in gaming lol. And I feel the improvements are not tangible at all. I think the biggest improvements are chipset related. Like Gen5+ M.2, and things like that. I battle with CPU usage in titles as well lately, I’m replaying some older games, even demanding games like Cyberpunk 2077 and RDR2. The 4090 is just a monster bro. While we don’t need a 5090, at least it will give us something to use now or use later for the money spent, it’s gonna blow our hair back with or without a fps counter to even notice. So, I’m going to jump on the 5090 straight away. 😎 The PS5 Pro also looks pretty good for $699.99. May put one in my living room at the new house.

Hey Intel, 285K! My name is Intel too. But what are you doing down here with me? 😁

I want to go for it, but it really is an expensive addiction. (This is my thought process lately) First comes the motherboards. Am I going to be lucky enough to buy 1 motherboard and be done? Maybe or probably 🤞 Then the CPU’s, am I binning this go around or are we buying two or just one or three lol? lol. Last but not least, we got to get some fresh new rams for the fresh new platform! Oh but wait, “Newer new rams will also be out every in 2-3 months to replace these already new rams” so don’t spend too much money on the first set. 🫠 ^ With all of that being said and me being so damn obsessed, am I ready to do all that again, just for a refresh platform to launch in 12 months from now 😤 SIGN ME UP!!! Kidding lol. I honestly might skip and just run my 14900KS. I am however really really looking forward to the RTX5090, and I plan to buy a nice 5090. Intel 285K is nice I’m sure, but these initial performance results look weak though right? It’s just “NEW” and that’s what we’re paying for it feels like. I wish I could see some more concrete info on its performance.

7900XTX is pretty dang good for rasterization performance honestly. I do like the Red Devil. Especially a Liquid Devil model 🤤 They are limited in VR gaming reliability, and RT performance. But if that doesn’t matter That looks pretty nice! I think I’m ready for a normal case build. I’ve been on years of test bench now, and chilled water daily, a loud and open build all the time. So I think I’m going to give all of that a rest. Use a normal rad in a normal case, and build a more simple setup. If I hate it, I’ll go back to extreme mode lol.

Do you have any experience with a Non-K Intel CPU’s? Do they allow memory overclocking at all. Like if I had a regular 13900 could I enable XMP? Or set the ram speed?

Anyone see this Silverstone Alta F2 case? OMG.. 😱 it is so cool!! I was around PC building when Silverstone made the best cases in history. I loved the 90 degree rotation, and the Air penetrator fans blowing air directly up! Even has room for pumps in the bottom, and large rads if needed on bottom or top. It’s $859 which is INSANE lol. I’d still buy it. I really love it! I’m thinking of doing a case build everyone.

It is kinda expensive. If I can get a good deal for both pieces, I will get one though. 99% of the cases out there right now just don’t work for me looks/function wise etc. I just want something basic that rolls, or has enough room for pumps, or if I ever want to mount some rads I could do that as well. I started building PC’s when I was 14 years old in 2004. And I still remember browsing as a teenager on Newegg back then at cases, and practically every single case was appealing to me I wanted them all haha lol. Those days are long gone though. Thermaltake ran the roost back then though. Same time period when NZXT first hit the scenes.

@Mr. Fox I been browsing. And I think this might work for me. It’s a Thermaltake W100 case which is large and has wheels already, and it has a separate pedestal which can house pumps/rads/ secondary PSU. I really want a case that I can just build my PC in, then have room to house (6) D5 pumps inside the case. Not many options available lol. Thats why I love my test bench, it can hold so many pumps. Since this case has a pedestal attachment available. Could install a PSU inside this pedestal, power all of my pumps, and the actual case portion would house no water cooling parts at all lol. You can add two of the pedestals and make is HUGE. And they can go on the top or bottom.

DDR5 9000 C38 is pretty wild stuff lol.