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Yep, it’s crazy. I tested a very very similar profile, and discovered that exact thing with 2x24GB. It can run passive at 8000-8200 and pass anything with temps even in the 60’s lol. It is really something. My Team Group 7200’s would be beyond a BSOD at only 50C+ with no OC using just XMP and maybe 5,000 on the tREFI. PS: You can bump the tREFI and still get them really really hot without much trouble.

The last of us (Shader Compile) and gaming at 8800. I have not seen a single BSOD, WHEA, or crash on this profile. 🤷‍♂️ https://youtu.be/C3jRRKQuw1g

I have been running DDR5 8800 C40-52-52-52-135 for several hours now for gaming. I’m amazed this is even game stable. No WHEA errors, everything is solid. I’m seriously impressed with these 48 gig G.Skill 7200 sticks. Bios 1203 is solid! I couldn’t get 8800 to post before on 0904 bios. Now, 8800 posted very first try. Not only that, but it’s stable. “Stable enough” 🤣 I started out earlier today with 8800 C40-54-54-54-148. And I have been slowly tightening it up a bit.

Something seemed really wrong with Mr.Fox performance when it was in Gen4 X8 mode, it was far worse than even PCIe Gen 1.0 in that 4090 Bandwidth link.

I am wondering if PCI-E X8@Gen 5 can fully provide the bandwidth for a overclocked RTX4090. I imagine it probably can. That’s one nice advantage to the Z790 Apex. At least both X16 slots are Gen5 capable. So if you do use the expansion card, your bandwidth to the GPU should be just as good. @Mr. Fox Maybe you can test this with the 3DMark PCI-E bandwidth feature test. It’s a quick test. And see what Gen5 X16 vs Gen5 X8 provides. It may be identical. You have a 4090, so this would really demonstrate if you lose any frames or bandwidth at all. I think even x8 Gen4 would be enough. I’m seriously curious.

Only one way to find out! Give it a go. I’m sure it’ll work pretty well.

I would love to have this GPU. But I would never pay $2,000+ dollars for it LOLZ. I know they’re super rare. And I like the white PCB as well, with the single sided memory. More than anything, I would just like to play around with it for a bit and see how it clocks. I really wish there was a 4090 HOF with the HOF waterblock included or available.

I loved them! I wanted one back in the day. I thought they were cool. Massive and huge gaming laptop. Today a MSI GT77 Titan is a far better option though for half the price and Mini LED display.

I would absolutely love to throw in another 3090 Kingpin HC. That would be a cool setup. Especially if it worked!

I had two 2080Ti’s in NVLink in 2020-2021. The 2080Ti was a bit of an odd GPU. So it had the full bandwidth SLI link some Quadro cards had at 100Gbps, but all of the Nvidia GeForce NVLink adapters were limited to 50Gbps which was what a normal RTX2080 could do. So, I ran (2) 2080Ti’s with unlimited power bios, and a Quadro 100Gbps NVLink bridge so I could get their full potential. I really tried to make it as good as it could be. And it just really sucked. The first issue was the power consumption. Each card could easily draw 450 watts. Then my 7980XE was capable of like 1,000 watts in R23 benchmark alone. So feeding this gaming beast with even a 1,200 watt platinum PSU resulted in constant power shutdowns. The 2nd issue was making SLI work and scale. And even when it did perform and scale 100% with games like RDR2 that use Vulkan API, the 1% lows and latency was the absolute worst. Like 30-70ms frame times. Super high max and average frame rates with minimums in the teens. It was really a difficult experience, every now and then it was fun, but that was too rare an occurrence. My 3090 Kingpin rolled in and dogged those 2080Ti’s in everything. 🤣 while being so easy, and so much smoother. And, no messing around in the Nvidia profile inspector for hours and hours just to make something work. The dual GPU idea was amazing! And it can absolutely work. I would love to run (2) 3090 Kingpins and just go smash on 4090’s lol. But that idea is just not very likely. Maybe in synthetic benchmarks, but not games.

I’ll definitely buy the refresh CPU’s for Z790 later this year. But I’m okay on GPU’s for now. I game a few hours a week usually. Maybe 3 hours per week. I mostly work and use my CPU more 6-8+ hours a day. I did game a lot more in the past and really have thousands of hours on my 3090. So much so that if it stopped working right now I would not be surprised one bit, mainly because of the constant high wattage it has ran for so long now. EVGA really does make a good GPU. But yes the addiction is real at times. 4090 Super could launch at any time, and I would be like 🧐 🥺 haha, even though I really don’t need it one bit.

I don’t believe I have ever installed armory crate before, maybe with the Z690 Apex just to see how bad it was. So many bad things I have heard though. I leave it be and don’t mess with it. I never installed it with my Z790 Apex. PS: The new FW and bios is absolutely solid solid solid though. DDR5 8600c38 worked perfectly for hours of gaming yesterday, and all day today while working within virtual machines and apps. This specific 8600 profile is just a base line profile to fine tune those timings your self. But once dialed in it is very low latency and very very fast. Your 2x24GB DDR5 8000 kit should be able to take full advantage of that.

You know there was a guy who melted his connector on his 3090 and his plug was not connected all the way, he even admitted to that on the overclock forums, that his plug wasn’t fully seated. So is all this 4090 connector stuff just from the plug not being seated properly?

That’s really awesome. I’ve been waiting years for this game. Bethesda is the absolute best. I played the Morrowind elder scrolls when I was like 12 years old and I loved it so much I got hooked, the. Years later Oblivion, Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas, Skyrim, and Fallout 4. I hope it’s good. I feel bad for the guys on Sony though.

What’s funny is Starfield was gonna be a Sony PS5 exclusive lol. Then Microsoft went and bought Zenith/Bethesda studios just to prevent this. So now it will be on Game Pass for PC and Xbox on launch day 🤣 consoles are all on AMD hardware though so FSR2 being in Starfield makes sense. It still works on Nvidia though right?

Im not planning to upgrade for a while still, few times came across where I almost bought a 4090 came very close, but didn’t want to waste the money and didn’t do it. I don’t mind turning down a setting or bumping DLSS to the next faster notch up for 4K. Neither option has been needed just yet. Now it looks like RTX5000 series is not coming out until 2025? All the more reason to keep my 3090 I guess lol. Hopefully it runs good with Bethesdas new Starfield game at 4K! 🫣

I think a used 2080Ti is good option too for 2023! Especially a good 2080Ti A bin. Back when I ran a 2080Ti it was easily providing substantial gains over the 3070Ti and It had the 11GB VRAM. Now that I think about it. The 2080Ti is really really old. But for 1080P. Man, it would still be fast.

Yeah that’s unfortunate I would just return it, spend the extra $100 bucks and get a Z790 Dark. It sounds like you’re sacrificing a lot of things that you do not want or like at all with the Asus which you already do not like lol, all just to save $100 dollars. Especially since the Z690 Dark was working so good, and you probably prefer those features. This really seems like a no brainer to me. You had a Z690 Dark, grab a Z790 Dark as a replacement. While this would be the first time I have ever heard of a Z690 Dark out overclocking a Z790 Apex. I know everyone has a different experience with things and it definitely happens. As for the PCH mine is 53c right now, but it works. I believe the Unify-X ran much hotter though. I’m really enjoying mine, it has been super reliable. Last night I updated to the latest FW and latest bios that were released last week. I’m allowing it to run the stock profile for a day or so and then I will start heavy overclocking back to where I was before. I did notice a nice 7-9 watt reduction in CPU power with the new bios 🙂 I have always been a EVGA guy. I’ve ran X299 Dark, Z490 Dark, Z590 Dark. I never really cared for Asus products. Now, my new Z790 Apex was practically free which is why I got one. I just traded for it. But if I was buying one now, keep in mind the Z790 Dark is like about 15% more expensive. But in your situation it may be worth it, it would weight a little more “Feels heavy” you can disable ME, PCH would run cooler, and you’d have the best of all features that bios familiarity.

Those speeds are absolutely good enough. Is that just 1 SSD?

There has to be something at play here going on. Pretty sure a Z690 Dark is not going to outpace the Z790 Apex. I would try some different ram or something. Maybe some different bios or FW off of Bianbao.net Think about that for a moment. These are really great overclocking motherboards. Now I will say, when I first got my Z790 Apex I couldn’t get my Team Group 7200’s to run like my Unify-X ran them, I was stuck at 7800 range. Not sure if this was bios, growing pains, or just swapping out ram that fixed it. But, I’m pretty sure I can get DDR5 8700 out of my ram if I really really tried.

I imagine you can get those VRM temps in check, and you got the know how to do it. I would grab some of that high heat transfer thermal puddy. I saw a guy yield crazy reductions on a Z790 Apex with that stuff.

It actually works. You can turn a chiller in to an extremely powerful A/C unit. Probably not ideal for cooling a house, but easily a large room. In any case I would use a big 12-15K BTU window unit for large area, and small 3-5K for all other small rooms in the home if I needed to work as good as central A/C.

You can hook up a Mora3 or Pora3 to a waterchiller set the water to the coldest temp, blast all of the 120MM fans at 2,000RPM+ and you can cool down a room pretty quickly!!! 🤣 that air coming off the radiator fans is so COLD. Not only is it colder than my vents in my house A/C but It blows equivalent to maybe 3-4 of them. I’m just joking here ^ but it absolutely works.

I wonder what would happen if you took apart the motherboards and revised their thermal pad/thermal paste/ heatsink mounting a little bit. Maybe even put one of those big Optimus Fujipoly pads on the entire backside of the motherboard VRM area. Or maybe some small little fans or something.

ohhhhhh!!!! That’s exactly why. I know I remember this now. Couple months back I was on the Newegg site when the Gen5 M.2’s were first dropping and I researched this and I came to the exact conclusion that you did. I’m not running X8 to my GPU. I forgot all about this 😂 One thing too though is, your 4090 on Gen5 at X8 is the same bandwidth as X16 Gen 4.0 which is what your Z690 Dark was providing I think 🤔 I’m not sure, I’d have to see that first hand though before I would run x8 4.0 or x8 5.0 to my GPU, just to have a monstrously fast M.2 Anyways, how is the Z790 Apex? Is it solid? Working well for you?