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I went back to read your previous posts and had a thought. The Quadro P5200 is the slave card and the GTX 485m is the master card, correct? If that's the case, no wonder your benchmarks aren't as high as expected. You're running your benchmarks purely on the Quadro P5200, correct? There is a performance and time cost associated with transferring information across the PCIe bus between 2 GPUs. If the master card is tasked with an operation, then sends data to the slave card to then perform another operaiton on that data, then the data is read back to the master card, that will result in a significant performance decrease due to latency penalties. However, in your case, the slave card does the work directly right? There will still be a performance decrease in this case since there's still the readback time cost, but at least only going one way this time (slave card to master card). Since the slave card doesn't output directly to the screen, the work performed by it has to be routed through the master card and passed to the screen. There is a performance cost associated with this as both GPUs have to use their encoder and decoder units to process this transfer of data. The confusing bit to me though is the massive performance deficit you're getting versus what you would be getting if the Quadro P5200 was connected directly to your laptop's screen. I would think there would be somewhere between a 10-20% performance decrease from having to pass the output through another graphics card (depending on how good the encoder/decoder units on both cards are). However, you're getting around a 40% performance deficit, so something is definitely wrong. Perhaps the encoder/decoder units on the GTX 485m can't keep up with the thoughput of the Quadro P5200 and that stalls the rendering pipeline? The Quadro P5200 is much more powerful than the GTX 485m, so I have a feeling the GTX 485m is a bottleneck. Have you tried with any other cards as your primary display output card? Typically with dual GPU configs, you want both cards to have the same amount of processing power or close to the same, as one card will bottleneck the other if the disparity between the cards' capabilities becomes significant. What is the most powerful card that will work in the master slot of your laptop? Were you able to identify any particular reason the Quadro P5200 would not work in the master slot?

@SuperMG3 Hey man, sorry for the late reply. I know you've been trying to get input from me for a bit as I've been tagged multiple times across your posts in multiple threads. I kept forgetting to respond. So to solve your performance issues with the Quadro P5200, my first suggestion would be to check your power supply. When I upgraded my Alienware 17 from a GTX 860m to a GTX 1060, I ended up having to get a 240 watt power supply, else the card would never kick into its highest performance mode (its P0 state). It would stay stuck at its P2 state (medium performance) no matter what I tried when I had my stock 180 watt pwoer supply connected to my laptop. If you already have a 330 watt power supply, that should be enough, but using dual 330 watt power supplies or one of those Eurocom 780 watt power supplies wouldn't hurt. We can help diagnose your issue by checking the performance mode the card is going into by using Nvidia Inspector (not Nvidia Profile Inspector!). You should see a section in the program that says P-State, along with the performance state readout of the GPU. From what I remember diagnosing my GTX 1060, there were 3 possible states: P8 (low power state), P2 (medium performance state), and P0 (maximum performance state). Perhaps your Quadro P5200 is getting stuck on the P2 state for some reason like my GTX 1060 was, thereby limiting the maximum power draw. You can try overclocking the P2 state from Nvidia inspector to see if that nets you any gains. You should be able to force the P0 state using this guide: https://www.xbitlabs.com/force-gpu-p0-state/ If you cannot force the P0 state and the GPU insists on staying in its P2 state, either the card is power starved or something else is wrong. If you've determined the power supply isn't the issue, then we'll have to do some further investigation.

This looks a lot like thay Rev-9 laptop that came out a while back: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Massive-T1000-mobile-PC-supports-AMD-Ryzen-9-9950X3D-RTX-5090-and-other-desktop-CPUs-and-GPUs.977868.0.html Soo maybe my Slabtop dreams will be realized sometime soon since these niche true desktop replacements keep popping up?

So interesting development today. I bought my mom a new laptop over the weekend since her old one was dying (had a good run though as it's 10 years old), and decided to do some tuning and benchmarking with it while setting it up for her. The Ryzen 9 HX 370 inside it is a powerhouse of a CPU when you max out the power limits. It benches higher than my 14900K, both in single core and multicore (specifically in Cinebench R15, which is the only version of that program I use for benching)! I also got rid of the windows 11 installation on it in favor of my trusty windowsxlite edition of windows 10 I really like for absolute maximum performance. In short, after doing some tuning to maximize performance, the system is extremely snappy, and my mom is loving it. She snaps her fingers, the laptop is done doing what she wanted it to. I also tuned the speakers to give a sound quality boost. All in all, the Asus Vivobook S 16 is actually a pretty good laptop for general users (but bleh BGA🤣). The integrated graphics in this thing are pretty powerful too, I mean you can actually game on this thing! Even though the laptop isn't for me, since I bought it, I might as well have some benching and overclocking adventures while I'm setting the thing up. 🤣 However, this isn't even the most interesting part. This laptop has a really nice, glossy OLED screen, so I decided to do a side by side comparison to the screen installed in my Clevo X170SM-G. The verdict? Holy crap, my X170's screen is almost just as good as an OLED. I did not realize just how close to OLED level quality it was, which I was not expecting. So basically, rip off the stupid matte antiglare layer, increase color saturation a bit (from 50% to 70%), and now your IPS display looks like an OLED screen (yes, I modded my X170's screen by removing the matte anti glare layer, so it's a glossy IPS screen now). The OLED screen on the Vivobook was kind of underwhelming when I tested it out some more. I mean, it's a super sharp 3.2K screen, but it suffers from black smearing? What? I thought OLEDs were supposed to have near instantaneous response times! It doesn't look like that's the case though as this OLED display gave me PTSD of me using my Dell S3422DWG VA panel, which has very heavy black smearing that I absolutely hate. The black smearing on the Vivobook's display isn't as bad, but it's still there, and my X170's IPS display has no black smearing whatsoever. If anything, my X170's IPS display feels much more responsive than the OLED display in the Vivobook. Granted, my X170's display is a 300 Hz display vs the 120 Hz display in the Vivobook, but OLED is supposed to have sub millisecond response times. It doesn't look that way to me at all, as sub millisecond response times should mean no black smearing. So I guess OLEDs aren't the juggernaut the hype is making them out to be. Couple that with the expiration date on OLEDs, and I no longer want one. I'll just go with glossy IPS thank you very much. IPS seems superior in every metric except image quality, which it can almost match OLEDs if the IPS display is also glossy and you tune your color saturation, so good enough for me. Just goes to say, don't fall for the hype on any technology. Always do your own comparisons and testing, because sometimes the reviewers are just flat out wrong, just like how people keep saying there is no performance difference between windows 11 and windows 10. Uhh... yeah there is. I did my own benchmarking and get 20% higher framerates on windows 10, so I call BS. I'm now calling BS on the hype on OLEDs too. I'm glad I did not buy one, and now I no longer plan to buy an OLED display for my desktop. I'll just have to find an IPS display that has the matte anti glare layer glued on top of the polarizer layer instead of infused into the polarizer so I don't destroy the screen when removing the matte layer. Either that, or I'll have to find another way to glossify my Asus XG309CM monitor.

Yeah, the guide I wrote is more for maxing out gaming performance than benchmarking. It'll be really useful when I eventually get a 480 Hz monitor. I really like how these new ultra high refresh rate monitors look so lifelike in terms of motion clarity. One of my good buddies has joked on multiple occasions that Icarus keeps flying higher (referring to me) whenever I get a new even higher refresh rate monitor.

I don't have any SLI capable motherboards, but I can offer you an alternative if you can't get SLI working. You can use Lossless Scaling instead to achieve pseudo SLI with much better scaling in the worst case. I posted some instructions on how to set this up a while back on this thread. You can even use a heterogeneous GPU setup for this and it works great!

Looks like the 9070 XT is a really good card. It's super enticing since its MSRP is only $20 more expensive than what I paid for my 6950 XT about 2 years ago, and it's a big upgrade over the 6950 XT. I know this is FOMO, but I think I'd like to get 2 of these before tariffs hit and relive the days of Crossfire, but with near perfect scaling through Lossless Scaling. I'd be set for a very long time with 2 of those cards giving me a worst case scaling of +80% in any game. I have come to like AMD graphics cards very much after getting used to their idiosyncrasies and learning how to work around those, and I plan on only buying AMD graphics cards in the future. They are a better value than Nvidia and offer superior performance vs their Nvidia equivalents at all performance tiers, at least in the games I play. They work pretty well in applications I use for work too. Usually I do upgrades mid generation and do so once every 3 GPU generations at least, but I may make an exception this time if prices on everything are going to skyrocket. Makes me wonder if the tariffs are just a ploy to jump start the economy by inducing FOMO in everyone to buy stuff up now, therefore drastically increasing consumer spending. I hope this is the case but am prepared for the worst. I'm no stranger to holding onto hardware for a long time as that is already my habit, but it's rare for me to upgrade so quickly, and it kinda feels like a waste of money if I don't need it. However, I also don't want to pay more later, so it may be better to just eat the cost now.

The most powerful CPU supported by this laptop is an i9 10900K. Depending on your workload, it may be worth upgrading to as the 10900K is a 10 core CPU vs the 8 cores in a 10700K. That's a 25% increase in core count, so a 25% increase in theoretical multicore performance. The RTX 3080 is the most poweful GPU that can be installed in this laptop. Unfortunately, Clevo abandoned this model really quick and never made any further upgrades available. That's really sad as I got this laptop specifically for its upgradeability. Given the cost for a GPu upgrade (since a new heatsink is also required), it may not even be worth upgrading this laptop (not that I need one right now, but still). You can overclock the 2080 Super fine in this laptop. I can do a 10% overclock, which is the max I can do without the GPU drivers crashing, and the heatsink is able to adequately cool the GPU. As for the CPU side, it is possible to run a 10900K full bore at 5.3 GHz all core depending on workload. I can run that speed while playing Jedi Fallen Order, which becomes a very CPU intensive game when you have insanely high frmereate requirements like me. I have about a 200 watt power budget for the CPU side before it starts thermal throttling. A few things to note about my CPU side cooling in this laptop: I got the laptop from zTecpc, so it was already modded from the factory. I also use a Rockitcool full copper IHS, which is flatter and has 15% extra surface area over the stock IHS, allowing for improved heat transfer. I also use liquid metal on the CPU, both between the CPU die and IHS, and also between the IHS and heatsink, so basically a liquid metal sandwich. Also, this laptop does have a USB-C port with DP support, that one is right next to the USB-A port on the right side of the laptop. You should see a strange looking D above it.

I'm sorry to hear you got hurt but am glad you're ok. I wish you a speedy recovery! Like me, you are still very young so you will most likely make a quick full recovery along with some physical therapy. Scratch that, you WILL fully recover. Mind over matter. A positive attitude makes a world of difference. Although you don't know any of us here on the forums in real life, we're still here for you and care about you. Good luck in life brother!

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Well that woud explain why I can't get wifi working with my Asus Maximus Z790 Apex Encore no matter what I do. That's been making me feel like an idiot, but that would make total sense as the reason why it isn't working for me. Fortunately that is also the only component that doesn't work, and I have a few USB wifi adapters laying around, so I'm just using my wireless AC one. It works well enough.

Clevo is going back to making modular laptops again? Awesome! Or is that a Tongfang model? Laptops just keep pulling me back in. I can't get away from them because the allure of portability is impossible to resist. Having said that, I also don't have a tolerance for laptops that are not modular, so I wouldn't buy such machines anyway. It takes something special like this to pique my interest, and it piques my interest HARD! Let's hope we get a proper 18-19 inch DTR with that modularity + external water cooling. That'll be fun for benchmarks and awesome for max performance in an ultraportable form factor (yes I consider 18 inch laptops ultraportable). Speaking of which, I'll need that special water cooling heatsink for my X170 to perform an upgrade to the RTX 3080. That should be interesting.

I would say if you're going to replace the Flex ATX PSU with a Pico PSU, then being able to house 2 of those HDPlex 500W PicoSPUs would be awesome as that would allow for very high power builds using a dual PSU config.

If the 5070 truly shifted performance up by 2 performance classes vs the previous generation, then the pricing seems a bit better to swallow, but I'm still not going to allow them to condition me to higher prices. A 70 class card should still not be that expensive, but I digress. I'm conditioned to Pascal era prices.

Now just gotta wait for the Clevo X580 reveal, whenever that is.

Happy new year my friends!

Looks like Clevo is starting to pull their heads out of their butts. Still soldered crap, but it's a massive upgrade over the X370 abomination that is completely undeserving of the Xx70 moniker: https://videocardz.com/newz/clevos-x580-next-gen-laptop-specs-leaked-arrow-lake-hx-cpu-and-geforce-rtx-50-gpu This is a nice 18 inch Clevo DTR, so it's good to see them starting to go back to what they once made. It doesn't have an upgradable CPU or GPU, but they increased the drive slots from 3 back to 4 and also increased the RAM slots back to 4. Gives me hope that Clevo may return to full socketed models one day.

Merry Christmas everyone! This is my most favorite holiday of the year! Bummer it only lasts one day, but we still have about a good 6 hours left (at least where I'm at)!

I just swapped my 144 Hz screen on my X170SM-G with a 300 Hz one. It was a pain in the butt to find the display cable for it, but it was worth it. I ended up finding the part on Aliexpress and then waited around for the cable to arrive. I just did the panel and cable swap today. I also modded the screen to make it glossy. It looks amazing! I have a nice glossy 300 Hz screen for my X170SM-G now! The colors are better than on the 144 Hz screen and everything looks so much smoother on the 300 Hz screen (as it should). I think I'm going to keep going higher and higher with my screen refresh rates as time goes by. My ultimate goal regarding screens is to acquire one where motion on it looks like real life (super duper ultra smooth). The 220 Hz screen I have for my desktop pushed me to get this 300 Hz one for my laptop. I'm very happy I got it!

This is awesome! Now we just need a version of this for Clevo laptops. The upgradeability of my SM-G is begging to be utilized.

Also if anyone needs extra cotton swabs for applying liquid metal, they're these Japanese ones: https://www.amazon.com/Tifanso-Cruelty-Free-Biodegradable-Chlorine-Free-Hypoallergenic/dp/B07R8B93GL/ref=asc_df_B07R8B93GL?mcid=e042f9f5c5c2392481644c9da3b526ea&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693127596188&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14693873930929850647&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9026808&hvtargid=pla-757827286496&th=1 Don't waste your money on ordering extra swabs from Thermal Grizzly. They're just doing an insane upcharge on the swabs I mentioned above. The swabs are "special" in the sense that they're more densely packed than q-tips, which helps a lot with spreading the liquid metal, but they're just regular cotton swabs otherwise.

I'm very interested in your end results! I just bought some Conductonaut extreme since I used the rest of my Conductonaut on the build I did for my buddy over the weekend. This liquid metal here looks like it has even better thermal conductivity.

Pull the cable straight up using the black tab that's attached to it. This is the eDP cable. You'll need to pinch that black tab with your thumb and index finger. It should lift off pretty easily once you pull straight up.

I love seeing people being passionate about the things they love and enjoy. This is quite the collection you have! I used to be super into alienware laptops as a kid and it was my dream to own one. I finally got an Alienware 17 R1/M17X R5 when I was in high school and really enjoyed it. I upgraded the GPU to a GTX 1060 and I still use it to this day alongside my Clevo X170. The old Alienwares were built to last! My most favorite backpack ever is my Alienware Vindicator backpack I got in 2015. I've used the crap out of it and the rubberized face is peeling off, and my mom snapped one of the zippers by accident since the rubberized zipper tips have become quite brittle, but the rest of the backpack itself is still in really good shape.

Yep, high binned 10900Ks can do some pretty amazing all core speeds if they're kept cold enough. The cold also significantly reduces their voltage requirements and power draw, further increasing your overclocking headroom. You saw the results that just a TEC is capable of getting out of this chip. I was able to do 5.5 Ghz on mine in games initially but could never keep the chip cold enough to keep it 100% stable. Any temperature spike too high and the machine crashed. One thing I really like about my current 14900KF system I just built last weekend is that the system doesn't crash if I overclock just a little too high. Programs crash instead, which makes the trial and error a lot quicker of a process now that I don't have to wait for system shutoffs and reboots every time now. I do want to get the V2 of the MasterLiquid ML 360 Sub Zero, called the MasterLiquid ML 360 Sub Zero Evo, as that will enable me to continue my sub ambient overclocking adventures with the 14900KF. Funnily enough, Skatterbencher did some overclocking using a TEC on almost my exact same setup (he used a 14900KS instead of the KF) and got really good results out of it. He was able to easily do 6.2 GHz all core in Shadow Of The Tomb Raider. Video if anyone is interested: