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Or it just means that Intel is late to announce the special CPUs that are needed for workstations. But I agree that it is more likely that this CPU cycle we will see that the big manufacturers release nothing. MSI obviously does not wait for special CPUs so they have already announced a few workstations including the CreatorPro X18 HX with a 270W power envelope but nothing so far from Dell, HP and Lenovo and those are all companies that would wait for somethink like a 14850HX.

Spot on - desktop will continue to run away from laptop for a number of reasons although I would think that with a 14900HX, 192GB memory, 3 to 4 SSDs and the i/O that is available in top end laptops most people would be happy already. The biggest issue for "normal" high end users is obviously the GPU where we are now getting something between 4070 Super and 4070 Ti performance out of a 4090 mobile which is not so great given the money that we have to pay for that level of perfomance in a laptop. With a 14900HX on the other hand it is possible to get something that is not too far off from a regular non-overclocked 14900K performance which is much better than the GPU situation. What will be interesting to see this year will be Thunderbolt 5 and its eGPU performance that may help a lot to close the gap for laptops once they are stationary. If TB5 is really good then we could get a laptop with something like a mobile 4080 equivalent in next generation (5070 maybe) for pretty good gaming on the go and with TB5 helping to close the gap very good performance at home at the level of a 5080 or above and all that with better CPU performance in the laptop as most of the power and cooling will be used for the CPU when stationary. Alienware had this solution for some time with their graphics amplifier and I just did a Time Spy with a 4070 Super at 21700 for the GPU in the AGA. That is top ten 4080 mobile performance for a very moderate price and on an old laptop and with 200$ more for a 4070Ti Super I could probably have gotten top ten 4090 mobile performance for still a comparatively moderate price and all that wth a 2014 eGPU platform. Of course those eGPU options only apply for people who do not literally sit at their laptop at all times and use its keyboard and screen - in that case it is probably best to maximize / optimize that performance which will be both more difficult and more expensive when top end performance is the goal.

A desktop will continue to be much more capable than a laptop as long as there will be desktop GPUs with huge power limit and bandwidth but with Thunderbolt 5 it may be possible to harness most of that power via an external GPU. So you could get some 4080 equivalent (5070 maybe) for pretty good gaming on the go and if TB5 is finally done right plug in your external 5080 at home with a performance that will be better and more quiet than a laptop with the laptop 5090. Of course that only applies when you do not just literally sit at your laptop at all times and use it exclusively and without peripherals. In that case it is probably best to maximize that performance. Alienware had a nice external solution for some time with their graphics amplifier although to the surprise of no one the case itself was poorly executed with regard to noise and cooling. I just did a Time Spy with a 4070 Super in an older AGA and achieved 21700 for the GPU which I think is a top ten ranked performance for the 4080 mobile. I got it for the very moderate upgrade price of the 4070 Super and therefore brought the attached laptop to quite impressive performance levels and with 200$ more for a 4070Ti I could even have gotten 4090 laptop performance for still a very moderate price. All on a 2014 eGPU platform although in my case it is connected to a 2019 51m R1 - probably the best upgradeability Alienware ever achieved!

Yep, nice to have a constant metric. It is the same with CPUs where for all CPUs I am interested in I can get an idea of performance with Cinebench 23 and Cinebench 20. Pretty sure I will skip Cinebench 24 and wait for at least the next version as it is retarded to jump ship every year.

Nice score! Time Spy is rather silly in a few regards: Quite probably most people use the texture filtering option because everybody does and it definitely makes the picture look worse - it is just silly. Also the way that memory speed influences the CPU score is completely ridiculous and makes no sense whatsoever. I still like to use it for the graphics score as I have used it for a long time now and switching to something else would make comparisons difficult

I don't think there is a later version. I'll send you a link 🙂

Which version do you need, later than 2.4.9?

Chinese MSI Titan 18 HX review, with CPU and GPU scores. Time Spy GPU at almost 24000 but as we know total score is held back by having 4 memory slots that will always cost some benchmark performance due to lower CPU score - can't have it all. It also looks like a very good Cinebench R23 score at 39007. MSI default apparently does not work very well as the CPU heats up too much due to being allowed to pull well above 200W which is silly as with the right settings in this particular unit ca. 175W are enough for a 36000 score with obviously significant undervolting:

Understood, maybe new pads / thermal putty will help a bit. If not then you could also try to limit the power uptake to 180W and maybe also get better fans from Ali Express - there are better fans for the X170 and P775 so there should also be better fans for the P870.

I seem to remember that there were a few fitting issues with this one and the RTX2080 so not sure if anybody has used it with a 2080s. I have run it with a 1080 and and 200W and temps topped out at something like 72 / 83 degrees but that was at about 17 or 18°C so it is possible that with higher ambient temps your temperatures are quite normal. The vapor chamber heatsink would be much better choice obviously as it is made to cool at least 300W from two cards at 150W each.

Do you have a picture of the heatsink? Looks like you may need something beefier as these temps are certainly not great and you may have to figure in a higher ambient temperature than other members. As for the pads you will need feedback from someboy with the same heatsink and GPU. If that isn't possible you may want to look into thermal putty to be on the safe side.

Better check that heatsink fit, it clearly isn't good enough. Even the lesser non-SLI heatsink for a single 1080 is better than that at 200W, let alone a little over 100W.

Congratulations! You can definitely try nvcleanstall: https://www.techpowerup.com/nvcleanstall/ I used it when I was having display issues and it did not solve my (entirely different) problem but it somehow convinced my laptop that I had a 2080 Super not a regular 2080, I even got some TimeSpy runs that said I had a 2080 Super 🙂 Techpowerup has a thread about it and there are lots of guides around and I think I ended up here: https://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/34429-how-to-mod-and-sign-nvidia-drivers-with-tpu-nvcleanstall/ The important part is that here you can tell the driver about your CPU: You may want to check both in that thread and in the Techpowerup forum if there are any drivers that are more suited than others for what you want to do.

Somebody with contacts at Intel should ask them about a socketed CPU in a laptop. I am pretty sure that if Asus, Gigabyte or MSI wanted to go socketed Intel would allow them to do it in one model. Socketed would be nice as it would force a slightly thicker laptop, I think it would add maybe 5mm? That has other benefits like the ability to stack SSDs in order to increase drive numbers or alternatively the ability to add a cooling solution for the SSDs, more real estate due to a thicker battery that does not take up half of the space under the keyboard, bigger fans, better CPU and GPU cooling etc. As for Clevo they are not a desktop motherboard manufacturer so for them it may be more difficult to go back to socketed.

I would definitely prefer AMD AM5 socket if upgradeable but for at least the last 3 Clevo models with socketed CPU we did not get to upgrade to next gen(s) as you know only too well as owner of two of those models: X170SM-G socket 1200 NH55 socket 1700 NH50 socket AM4 The days of being able to buy a P870 with an i5-6600K and finally ending up with a CPU with twice as many cores three generations later will probably never be repeated...

Now that is a weird looking back lid! Other than that it is pretty cool that this can still be bought (like) new. Just imagine this chassis being available with an 18" 16:10 screen, a 14900K and a 4090 MXM GPU with some special @Prema sauce!

Is this an XMG Clevo? If it is then I would check with them, their support is pretty good. Other than that I do not use the fingerprint reader in the 775 I have so I cannot be of much help but have you checked if playing with the power settings of the reader changes things? I would also check if it still drops out when the laptop is set to high performance mode. Is it also possible it is borderline defective and malfunctioning after the laptop has been powered on for a while or after it has reached a certain temperature threshold.

Yep, here is the review of the Eurocom version: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Eurocom-Raptor-X17-laptop-review-The-MSI-and-Asus-ROG-alternative.715961.0.html

I think that last gen Dell still had the best combination of configuration options, drive slots, screen and keyboard. Yes the keyboard isn't that great but at least they have a 17.3" option with decent power delivery for the GPU and 4 drive slots. With Lenovo and HP out of the race due to their severe power limits or SSD slot reduction combined with only a 16" screen there is only Dell left standing when it comes to big screen work stations from the 3 classic workstation manufacturers. Dell and HP are now the only companies as of 13th gen with 4x m.2 slots with a 2280 form factor , hopefully this will not change. Clevo and MSI still have three slots though so that is still better than only 2 which seems to be the norm now even in higher end devices. 3 to 4 years ago with 9th and 10th gen we still used to have laptops with 5 and 6 drives with one to two 2.5" drive slots and 3 to 5 m.2 slots from Clevo, HP and MSI and I very much preferred that. With two 2.5" slots one can also do a RAID 0 which practically doubles the relatively low sequential speeds of the 2.5" drives. Oh well, best we can hope for today is probably 4x m.2 2280.

I have seen a bunch of 9980HK and there is nothing special about them, don't buy one. Generally speaking it seems that many of these CPUs take between 135 to 150W at 4.6GHz and with some undervolting. There will be an occasional outlier being below that. Best I have seen was less than 110W in a 9900K which is the one I use in one of my laptops. The best 9980HK I have seen was a bit less than 130W at 4.6 GHz. Those watts are seen when 4.6GHz first stabilize in a CB R23 run and power consumption will usually go up fast at that wattage and in many Clevos will be followed by rather quick throttling in the usual benchmarks.

@br2 Here is some info from Schenker about 96GB memory in laptops, not for HX CPUs: https://www.xmg.gg/en/news-roadmap-2023-q3-xmg-laptop-roadmap/ It is rather bizarre that both the Tongfang / Uniwill and the Clevos with HX CPUs are not deemed fit to use 48GB modules!

I guess that is a big bonus of the Clevo. From the right sellers it is a lot less money than the options from MSI and Dell. Dell has an outlet where you can get great deals but they do not currently have an 7780 with a UHD panel on sale. MSI has been doing this stuff for ages where they do not factor in that not everybody always wants the biggest CPU with a very big GPU only to get more then two drives. Somebody should tell them...

In that case I would also check out the Dell Precision 7780 and its soon to be announced successor. I think @win32asmguy had it at some point or its predecessor so he may be able to give you a brief verdict. It may be able to send a bit more power to the CPU than the Clevo but cooling is not that great either. It also has 4 NVME drive slots like big DTRs used to in the old days 🙂 I would probably wait to see what the successor brings as it may also have 18" UHD (slim chance but still). Overall it is rather pathetic that when you want at least 3 normal sized drives and a 17" or bigger screen you only have three options left. Half a dozen brands have by now either given up on bigger screens and/or on more than two drives and the others contenders all have rather obvious weaknesses or imo weird choices / mandatory combinations of hardware.

😄 Possible about the interference. I used HDMI out, mini DP out, at least one USB and TB4 out with its predecessor without issues but I have the Akitio Thunder3 Dock with 10G and we most probably have quite different use cases. As for the X370 nothing wrong with an upgrade but I do not really see that it is much of an upgrade but rather a step or two back in a number of areas. If I had to recommend a replacement for the Titan without Killer in it then it would probably either be a Dell 7780 or its successor that will leak any day or an Alienware m18. In stock factory condition Clevo usually had lots of issues but I could disregard and mostly fix them with DTRs like the P775, P870 or the X170SM-G and for some time now even improve the cooling and fans. to my knowledge none of this is possible with this BGA book. That is unless it is for a special purpose like the system76 version but not many people need that.

Curious what Clevo you are going back to? I do not see them having any interesting DTR product right now as the X370 has its own numerous issues. To me the X170SM-G was the last worthy Clevo DTR: 10 cores, 4 SSDs, 4 memory slots, a hefty cooling solution, a good bios and a bunch of unlocked options including Prema and also aftermarket liquid cooling, fans, etc. I'd solve the ethernet situation with a Realtek 2.5G dongle or even an actively cooled 10G Thunderbolt solution from Sabrent, Akitio or Sonnet. They are reliable and you can uninstall the whole killer suite and get a WIFI 7 card, too. That is if you are not too annoyed by the num pad and cursor keys from Hobbiton...