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Would not hurt to do the math but I can see that you would not want to do it if this is all built by hand.

Very nice! Too bad that it above the cabin luggage limit for several airlines I travel with.

Have you tried a Linux boot stick? I use Ventoy and it is very helpful to have a look at different distros: That may be the least effort required and you can throw a bunch of distro isos on there and with a bit of luck something like Nobara will allow you to gain some further insights into the (lack of) capabilities of your Radeon:

I had a look and I would be sceptical if those two would be large enough for an 17.3" or 18" laptop. My favorite combo would probably be the Everki ContemPRO 17 with a regular suitcase unless the laptop has to be very deep (320mm and above). On flights with carry on luggage that would probably be too much and if you want something that can be used in trolley form Everki has that, too with the Wheeled 420 case. I have to admit that I do not see that much value in getting a special trolley based solution for laptops when it is clear that they are rare but there are many great suitcases with a trolley that I would personally prefer going on trips via airplane. I use the Everki Titan myself and in fact it is wide enough to fit the very deep Clevo X170 and MSI GT77 laptops but it can also get quite heavy.

Better save that for when you have 25G 😄

For new installations indeed cat8 seems to be the way to go for copper cables but if I already had cat7 everywhere I would not get all worked up about it as 10G is still plenty fast.

With Killer being known for their "reliability" one does not immediately think that the cable is the culprit so that is an unexpected - and cheap - solution! 2.5G is nice as in my experience it works fine with even cat 5e in short runs and with cat6 for everything else, no need for cat7.

528.24 It is indeed the last driver where I found somebody mention that the slider works. You may want to search people who mention others but that one has been confirmed on Techpowerup. I have no experience with the fans on Taobao or elsewhere I just typed in P870TM fans so you will have to check - in the end nobody here has ordered any fans as of now so you would probably have to be the guinea pig. Shame that it is much easier to find fans for the P775 and X170. As for the LG C1 it has less than 800 peak nits and around 130 to 125 nits full white, that is pretty well documented like for example here: It also dimms when brighter areas are on screen for too long. The LED has probably more like 5 to 7 times as much brightness in full white so you may want to keep that in mind for other applications apart from gaming that require you to look at a possibly much brighter screen. I still have a bunch of programs where this is the case.

Yep, it is unlikely that Intel will make a separate announcement just for that. It would also see more tempting for the development teams of all manufacturers to work on a new chassis when they really can go with new technology for a lot more components / parts. There are new developments with regard to memory, SSDs, screens and screen sizes already but it makes more sense to put it all together when some of that has matured / becomes more widely available and then it can be paired with next gen CPUs and GPUs. It also seems that with next gen we may finally see Thunderbolt support in high end mobile AMD CPUs so that will be another option for manufacturers that is not available this year.

Nvidia driver 528.24 should still work with the power limit slider but you could also reduce voltage on later driver versions with the MSI afterburner curve tool. That Eurocom power supply has been tested to work with the P870 and there has been an old thread about it on the notebookreview forum, you may want to check the archives. For fans you have to go on a chase on sites like Taobao which is not easy to navigate but it seems there is at least a fan with a higher number of fins for the GPU. About the display: 1000 nits will be a lot brighter than OLED when there is a lot of white in the picture and I doubt that this level of light output is that easy on the eyes. Myself I was already annoyed by a 400 nits display that I could not adjust for a while. So I would rather go with one of those 400 to 500 nits LCD panels with 120 or 144 Hz and have less issues even if brightness cannot be adjusted and it should also be less costly.

Or it just means that Intel is late to announce the special CPUs that are needed for workstations. But I agree that it is more likely that this CPU cycle we will see that the big manufacturers release nothing. MSI obviously does not wait for special CPUs so they have already announced a few workstations including the CreatorPro X18 HX with a 270W power envelope but nothing so far from Dell, HP and Lenovo and those are all companies that would wait for somethink like a 14850HX.

Spot on - desktop will continue to run away from laptop for a number of reasons although I would think that with a 14900HX, 192GB memory, 3 to 4 SSDs and the i/O that is available in top end laptops most people would be happy already. The biggest issue for "normal" high end users is obviously the GPU where we are now getting something between 4070 Super and 4070 Ti performance out of a 4090 mobile which is not so great given the money that we have to pay for that level of perfomance in a laptop. With a 14900HX on the other hand it is possible to get something that is not too far off from a regular non-overclocked 14900K performance which is much better than the GPU situation. What will be interesting to see this year will be Thunderbolt 5 and its eGPU performance that may help a lot to close the gap for laptops once they are stationary. If TB5 is really good then we could get a laptop with something like a mobile 4080 equivalent in next generation (5070 maybe) for pretty good gaming on the go and with TB5 helping to close the gap very good performance at home at the level of a 5080 or above and all that with better CPU performance in the laptop as most of the power and cooling will be used for the CPU when stationary. Alienware had this solution for some time with their graphics amplifier and I just did a Time Spy with a 4070 Super at 21700 for the GPU in the AGA. That is top ten 4080 mobile performance for a very moderate price and on an old laptop and with 200$ more for a 4070Ti Super I could probably have gotten top ten 4090 mobile performance for still a comparatively moderate price and all that wth a 2014 eGPU platform. Of course those eGPU options only apply for people who do not literally sit at their laptop at all times and use its keyboard and screen - in that case it is probably best to maximize / optimize that performance which will be both more difficult and more expensive when top end performance is the goal.

A desktop will continue to be much more capable than a laptop as long as there will be desktop GPUs with huge power limit and bandwidth but with Thunderbolt 5 it may be possible to harness most of that power via an external GPU. So you could get some 4080 equivalent (5070 maybe) for pretty good gaming on the go and if TB5 is finally done right plug in your external 5080 at home with a performance that will be better and more quiet than a laptop with the laptop 5090. Of course that only applies when you do not just literally sit at your laptop at all times and use it exclusively and without peripherals. In that case it is probably best to maximize that performance. Alienware had a nice external solution for some time with their graphics amplifier although to the surprise of no one the case itself was poorly executed with regard to noise and cooling. I just did a Time Spy with a 4070 Super in an older AGA and achieved 21700 for the GPU which I think is a top ten ranked performance for the 4080 mobile. I got it for the very moderate upgrade price of the 4070 Super and therefore brought the attached laptop to quite impressive performance levels and with 200$ more for a 4070Ti I could even have gotten 4090 laptop performance for still a very moderate price. All on a 2014 eGPU platform although in my case it is connected to a 2019 51m R1 - probably the best upgradeability Alienware ever achieved!

Yep, nice to have a constant metric. It is the same with CPUs where for all CPUs I am interested in I can get an idea of performance with Cinebench 23 and Cinebench 20. Pretty sure I will skip Cinebench 24 and wait for at least the next version as it is retarded to jump ship every year.

Nice score! Time Spy is rather silly in a few regards: Quite probably most people use the texture filtering option because everybody does and it definitely makes the picture look worse - it is just silly. Also the way that memory speed influences the CPU score is completely ridiculous and makes no sense whatsoever. I still like to use it for the graphics score as I have used it for a long time now and switching to something else would make comparisons difficult

I don't think there is a later version. I'll send you a link 🙂

Which version do you need, later than 2.4.9?

Chinese MSI Titan 18 HX review, with CPU and GPU scores. Time Spy GPU at almost 24000 but as we know total score is held back by having 4 memory slots that will always cost some benchmark performance due to lower CPU score - can't have it all. It also looks like a very good Cinebench R23 score at 39007. MSI default apparently does not work very well as the CPU heats up too much due to being allowed to pull well above 200W which is silly as with the right settings in this particular unit ca. 175W are enough for a 36000 score with obviously significant undervolting:

Understood, maybe new pads / thermal putty will help a bit. If not then you could also try to limit the power uptake to 180W and maybe also get better fans from Ali Express - there are better fans for the X170 and P775 so there should also be better fans for the P870.

I seem to remember that there were a few fitting issues with this one and the RTX2080 so not sure if anybody has used it with a 2080s. I have run it with a 1080 and and 200W and temps topped out at something like 72 / 83 degrees but that was at about 17 or 18°C so it is possible that with higher ambient temps your temperatures are quite normal. The vapor chamber heatsink would be much better choice obviously as it is made to cool at least 300W from two cards at 150W each.

Do you have a picture of the heatsink? Looks like you may need something beefier as these temps are certainly not great and you may have to figure in a higher ambient temperature than other members. As for the pads you will need feedback from someboy with the same heatsink and GPU. If that isn't possible you may want to look into thermal putty to be on the safe side.

Better check that heatsink fit, it clearly isn't good enough. Even the lesser non-SLI heatsink for a single 1080 is better than that at 200W, let alone a little over 100W.

Congratulations! You can definitely try nvcleanstall: https://www.techpowerup.com/nvcleanstall/ I used it when I was having display issues and it did not solve my (entirely different) problem but it somehow convinced my laptop that I had a 2080 Super not a regular 2080, I even got some TimeSpy runs that said I had a 2080 Super 🙂 Techpowerup has a thread about it and there are lots of guides around and I think I ended up here: https://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/34429-how-to-mod-and-sign-nvidia-drivers-with-tpu-nvcleanstall/ The important part is that here you can tell the driver about your CPU: You may want to check both in that thread and in the Techpowerup forum if there are any drivers that are more suited than others for what you want to do.

Somebody with contacts at Intel should ask them about a socketed CPU in a laptop. I am pretty sure that if Asus, Gigabyte or MSI wanted to go socketed Intel would allow them to do it in one model. Socketed would be nice as it would force a slightly thicker laptop, I think it would add maybe 5mm? That has other benefits like the ability to stack SSDs in order to increase drive numbers or alternatively the ability to add a cooling solution for the SSDs, more real estate due to a thicker battery that does not take up half of the space under the keyboard, bigger fans, better CPU and GPU cooling etc. As for Clevo they are not a desktop motherboard manufacturer so for them it may be more difficult to go back to socketed.

I would definitely prefer AMD AM5 socket if upgradeable but for at least the last 3 Clevo models with socketed CPU we did not get to upgrade to next gen(s) as you know only too well as owner of two of those models: X170SM-G socket 1200 NH55 socket 1700 NH50 socket AM4 The days of being able to buy a P870 with an i5-6600K and finally ending up with a CPU with twice as many cores three generations later will probably never be repeated...