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So the big model is still missing - looking forward to the 7890 then 😉

The previous Titan already pulled more than 300W with an early bios version, I think it was 325W or something like that. Needless to say the power supply could not take it even though it was one of the big Delta units. Maybe MSI will again slip a bios that allows a power draw like that for GPU and CPU as now they would have the power supply to sustain it. I think 400W would be very nice for traveling with the Clevo and regular use combined with a Y-adapter of course but then 400W and more can be the combined CPU and GPU power draw of an opened up X170 which is more than I would try to supply with a 400W GAN charger, better to have 560W for that 😀

Sorry, can't help you with that. Better to rely on members who have done it before with your or a very similar chassis. I am also not quite convinced that it is a bios thing when you can already see the card in Linux but one of the more recent unlocked bios versions may also help you in other ways so it cannot hurt to try. You indeed want to choose your bios wisely as there have been reports of issues with audio and Thunderbolt connectivity iirc. but I am not familiar with the 7xx DM2/3 chassis.

That is too bad - I was hoping you would be able to drive an external display with the 2080s. Have you tried both HDMi and display port? In any case you could go into the advanced boot options menu and boot into VGA mode to see if you still get a picture or if you have set it up that way you can also access the laptop remotely.

Makes sense as in my case I also had a working bios. Not being able to see the bios is probably something else.

Looks nice! About that internal screen: I would try and use a portable Linux that boots from a USB drive so see if your internal screen can be addressed that way. I had the issue that with a new QHD screen my MSI GT75 would not show a picture any more except in bios but the screen worked with the Nvidia special drivers of several Linux versions that I used to boot the laptop from an external drive. I use Ventoy as I can drop all kinds of Isos on there and boot from it and it was pretty straightforward. I just tried and Linux Mint 21.3 Mate gets a screen and also allows me to regulate brightness which was another issue that I encountered later with some Nvidia drivers. After I verified that the screen came on in a normal fashion with Linux it was "only" a matter of finding drivers that work. Your mileage may vary but I ended up with this one:

Yes, that is a good first place to look. And even then it does not always succeed in handing over control to the Intel GPU so one has to check power consumption with something like battery monitor.

That's interesting, I'll have to try that on a laptop with a working iGPU. But actually I meant that it is not really acceptable that even when performing basic GPU functions an Nvidia GPU has to consume so much more power than an Intel/AMD or Apple solution in order to just show a desktop in idle.

If you find a source for a working display cable then please let us know.

Interesting discussion and it also leads me to the question as to why Nvidia can't be assed to allow its GPU to perform basic functions without guzzling double digit watts even on battery. It would really be cool to have a tool that allows setting the Nvidia card to minimum power consumption manually when on battery - not because i prefer to do things manually but because Nvidia / Windows cannot be trusted to get this sorted in a proper way.

One would hope that since they are still in business they have learned a thing or two 😄 Do these even have official prices or is this one of those products where they only talk about pricing if you order at least 100 GPU? In any case not getting really excited about this as even when compatible the pricing probably will be extremely hefty for the 5000 and the hopefully cheaper but still expensive 3500 is not really that much of an upgrade over a 2080 / 2080 super that can be for 600$ or less with a bit of patience:

Got my hands on one of these and looks like the performance is pretty impressive! I got to test it with a 4080 and the Time Spy score is in the ballpark of what sites like notebookcheck have as stock which is about 26500. With some tweaking it should be possible to increase this to maybe 27500 but benching is not that much fun when the Amplifier reduces performance by at least 10% 😄 So overall this means that for the relatively modest price of a 4070 Super one can get roughly 4080 mobile performance and with a 4070 Ti Super a performance that is roughly on par with a 4090 mobile - not too bad!

I was going by what @anassa posted that it worked for Pascal and also what I read on Reddit. I only would have an RTX2080 to try that out and it is a very hard to find that MSI card so I certainly won't try it. About your RTX 4000 I might have a vbios from a Dell 7760 for you, would that be of interest? Edit: Never mind, that one has the RTX A4000 - Nvidia sure knows how to make them all sound the same...

To bad that MobilePascalTDPTweaker does not seem to work for Turing alhough it claims to. There are pretty crippled versions out there of the 2080 and 2080 Super and as you say the 3080 famously only goes up to 165W when it could see pretty good increases in performance by allowing something between 200 and 220W TGP.

Have you checked with HWInfo regarding the GPU? For some reason with our P870TM I cannot break 8000 even with the 200W bios, it is a bit strange. I also have another strange effect with an Alienware Area 51 with the 2080 where I am stuck at a max of 11500 at both 180 and 200W bios - nothing really happened after switching to the 200W bios. Time to have a closer look at that GPU I guess.

Wow - that must have been pretty exciting! Sorry it did not help and I also think it would be the best comparison to compare the same everything with regard to: drivers windows version benchmark tool version Obviously this can be very hard to do and I have never done that but it always intrigued me to know how much of a difference it would make.

I like for my gear to run well - laptop included 🙂 @aldarxt just did another bench on that GT83 and it looks like the GPUs pulled 210 and 208W respectively in a run I just did that made it to a 16345 GPU score - not bad. I also doubt that more power would help here without taking off the bottom cover as the GPUs are getting pretty toasty. So probably something else holding you back. Have you done a run with bottom cover off to possibly get temps down? I currently have the same issue with an Alienware with a very low cinebench score given its clock speed that usually is a pretty good score predictor for the score but this one underperforms by about 4 to 5%. I do not yet know what it is and I am not sure I want to find out as Dell really has crappy software on these but it is hard to run it without that software if one wants some fan and RGB control.

Thanks, file attached. Here is my best GPU-score in number 6: If you look at the ranking you will see that brothers @Prema @johnksss and @Mr. Fox are in the 1, 3 and 4 spots with their Clevos but at least I got the best ranked GT83 😉 I think I also got around 8300 out of the single card with the GT73 but I cannot find that one any more. GP104.rom

Interesting link about the combined power delivery for the GT77 HX 13V. With the right bios is apparently can be a bit more than 330W combined for CPU and GPU: Being able to pull over 150W from the CPU instead of a measly 75W (175 + 75) seems highly preferable but I would also want a good cooling pad with some Noctua fans and a bigger power adapter to go with it as otherwise these will be very loud and very short gaming sessions!

I agree that the chassis can take 200W from a 3080 and especially in the case of the P870 also 220 or even 250W but not sure how much power would be OK for the card itself. 200W would probably be OK but 220 or 240W? Regarding higher power draw verification I recently used HWinfo to verify going from a 180 to a 200W bios for an Alienware 51m. Max power draw before the mod was ca. 182W and after the mod ca. 202W.

One would not want to not overdo it with the power consumption as it is likely to reduce the lifespan especially of the top end cards and especially the RTX 3080 is still rather expensive. I would guess that it is less of an issue for a 3070, 2070, 2070 Super or RTX4000.

Hi guys, got an Area 51m for playing around a bit - it came with just about everything (mouse, sleeve, original box, backpack) so I could not resist 😄 Overall I have to say that the hardware seems to have some potential but the bios is and the ACC, too. Is there a recommended Geforce driver / ACC combo? As I did a factory reset I am now always bothered with a suggestion to update the ACC but I fear that the version that I will be installing is not the recommended one - had that with the bios already but now I am on 1.5.0 and I also have the 200W vbios. Ideally I would prefer if ACC only sets the things that I cannot set elsewhere which is RGB, fan mode and power mode and then I could use MSI Afterburner and Throttlestop for the CPU and GPU. Oh and kudos going out to @Tech Freak who posted the instructions for the bios stick on the old forum and @ssj92 who put a download up where I only had to swap in the bios file I wanted to first get to 1.12.0 and then in a second step to 1.5.0. And to @i.bakar for starting this thread and asking some questions that I also had. Can't say that I much like the answers as the 51m seems to be a pretty locked down design but given that I will say that it still benches decent but not great.

Too bad, I thought this was a reusable solution 😞 I guess in the grand scheme of things it is good that people now get this product from Gelid instead of something inferior but to those of us "in the know" this is not helpful at all.

I like to be able to move stuff around and I also like the challenge of getting high performance in a laptop form factor and I only need high CPU performance. I mainly really use GPUs for benching and that SLI rig has never ever gamed since I have bought it so there is that. As for a suggestion for somebody who is gaming I would say that if you do not move around most of the time I would indeed suggest to go with a desktop and a less powerful laptop if needed. I would estimate that you will pay roughly the same for either a 5090 laptop or a combo consisting of a 5070 laptop and a 5080 desktop that is more powerful than a 5090 laptop if things stay as they are with this generation.

I think I even went to up to 16200 or 16400 with another GT83 (don't ask) but I would have to check. I suggest to get you that vbios but how can I get it off the card? Never done that so far and I will only have time to work on that 870TM next weekend so if you can give me some pointers that would be much appreciated.