1610ftw
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P750DM-(G) Dsanke BIOS does not work with BGA1440 CPUs
1610ftw replied to Alex69's topic in Sager & Clevo
I have seen a bunch of 9980HK and there is nothing special about them, don't buy one. Generally speaking it seems that many of these CPUs take between 135 to 150W at 4.6GHz and with some undervolting. There will be an occasional outlier being below that. Best I have seen was less than 110W in a 9900K which is the one I use in one of my laptops. The best 9980HK I have seen was a bit less than 130W at 4.6 GHz. Those watts are seen when 4.6GHz first stabilize in a CB R23 run and power consumption will usually go up fast at that wattage and in many Clevos will be followed by rather quick throttling in the usual benchmarks. -
@br2 Here is some info from Schenker about 96GB memory in laptops, not for HX CPUs: https://www.xmg.gg/en/news-roadmap-2023-q3-xmg-laptop-roadmap/ It is rather bizarre that both the Tongfang / Uniwill and the Clevos with HX CPUs are not deemed fit to use 48GB modules!
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I guess that is a big bonus of the Clevo. From the right sellers it is a lot less money than the options from MSI and Dell. Dell has an outlet where you can get great deals but they do not currently have an 7780 with a UHD panel on sale. MSI has been doing this stuff for ages where they do not factor in that not everybody always wants the biggest CPU with a very big GPU only to get more then two drives. Somebody should tell them...
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In that case I would also check out the Dell Precision 7780 and its soon to be announced successor. I think @win32asmguy had it at some point or its predecessor so he may be able to give you a brief verdict. It may be able to send a bit more power to the CPU than the Clevo but cooling is not that great either. It also has 4 NVME drive slots like big DTRs used to in the old days 🙂 I would probably wait to see what the successor brings as it may also have 18" UHD (slim chance but still). Overall it is rather pathetic that when you want at least 3 normal sized drives and a 17" or bigger screen you only have three options left. Half a dozen brands have by now either given up on bigger screens and/or on more than two drives and the others contenders all have rather obvious weaknesses or imo weird choices / mandatory combinations of hardware.
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😄 Possible about the interference. I used HDMI out, mini DP out, at least one USB and TB4 out with its predecessor without issues but I have the Akitio Thunder3 Dock with 10G and we most probably have quite different use cases. As for the X370 nothing wrong with an upgrade but I do not really see that it is much of an upgrade but rather a step or two back in a number of areas. If I had to recommend a replacement for the Titan without Killer in it then it would probably either be a Dell 7780 or its successor that will leak any day or an Alienware m18. In stock factory condition Clevo usually had lots of issues but I could disregard and mostly fix them with DTRs like the P775, P870 or the X170SM-G and for some time now even improve the cooling and fans. to my knowledge none of this is possible with this BGA book. That is unless it is for a special purpose like the system76 version but not many people need that.
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Curious what Clevo you are going back to? I do not see them having any interesting DTR product right now as the X370 has its own numerous issues. To me the X170SM-G was the last worthy Clevo DTR: 10 cores, 4 SSDs, 4 memory slots, a hefty cooling solution, a good bios and a bunch of unlocked options including Prema and also aftermarket liquid cooling, fans, etc. I'd solve the ethernet situation with a Realtek 2.5G dongle or even an actively cooled 10G Thunderbolt solution from Sabrent, Akitio or Sonnet. They are reliable and you can uninstall the whole killer suite and get a WIFI 7 card, too. That is if you are not too annoyed by the num pad and cursor keys from Hobbiton...
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The previous Titan already pulled more than 300W with an early bios version, I think it was 325W or something like that. Needless to say the power supply could not take it even though it was one of the big Delta units. Maybe MSI will again slip a bios that allows a power draw like that for GPU and CPU as now they would have the power supply to sustain it. I think 400W would be very nice for traveling with the Clevo and regular use combined with a Y-adapter of course but then 400W and more can be the combined CPU and GPU power draw of an opened up X170 which is more than I would try to supply with a 400W GAN charger, better to have 560W for that 😀
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P750DM2 dark screen issue with 2080S or 3070 GPU swap
1610ftw replied to anassa's topic in Sager & Clevo
Sorry, can't help you with that. Better to rely on members who have done it before with your or a very similar chassis. I am also not quite convinced that it is a bios thing when you can already see the card in Linux but one of the more recent unlocked bios versions may also help you in other ways so it cannot hurt to try. You indeed want to choose your bios wisely as there have been reports of issues with audio and Thunderbolt connectivity iirc. but I am not familiar with the 7xx DM2/3 chassis. -
P750DM2 dark screen issue with 2080S or 3070 GPU swap
1610ftw replied to anassa's topic in Sager & Clevo
That is too bad - I was hoping you would be able to drive an external display with the 2080s. Have you tried both HDMi and display port? In any case you could go into the advanced boot options menu and boot into VGA mode to see if you still get a picture or if you have set it up that way you can also access the laptop remotely. -
P750DM2 dark screen issue with 2080S or 3070 GPU swap
1610ftw replied to anassa's topic in Sager & Clevo
Makes sense as in my case I also had a working bios. Not being able to see the bios is probably something else. -
P750DM2 dark screen issue with 2080S or 3070 GPU swap
1610ftw replied to anassa's topic in Sager & Clevo
Looks nice! About that internal screen: I would try and use a portable Linux that boots from a USB drive so see if your internal screen can be addressed that way. I had the issue that with a new QHD screen my MSI GT75 would not show a picture any more except in bios but the screen worked with the Nvidia special drivers of several Linux versions that I used to boot the laptop from an external drive. I use Ventoy as I can drop all kinds of Isos on there and boot from it and it was pretty straightforward. I just tried and Linux Mint 21.3 Mate gets a screen and also allows me to regulate brightness which was another issue that I encountered later with some Nvidia drivers. After I verified that the screen came on in a normal fashion with Linux it was "only" a matter of finding drivers that work. Your mileage may vary but I ended up with this one:
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Yes, that is a good first place to look. And even then it does not always succeed in handing over control to the Intel GPU so one has to check power consumption with something like battery monitor.
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That's interesting, I'll have to try that on a laptop with a working iGPU. But actually I meant that it is not really acceptable that even when performing basic GPU functions an Nvidia GPU has to consume so much more power than an Intel/AMD or Apple solution in order to just show a desktop in idle.
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clevo p870tm/tm1-g Official Clevo P870TM-G Thread
1610ftw replied to ViktorV's topic in Sager & Clevo
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Interesting discussion and it also leads me to the question as to why Nvidia can't be assed to allow its GPU to perform basic functions without guzzling double digit watts even on battery. It would really be cool to have a tool that allows setting the Nvidia card to minimum power consumption manually when on battery - not because i prefer to do things manually but because Nvidia / Windows cannot be trusted to get this sorted in a proper way.
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One would hope that since they are still in business they have learned a thing or two 😄 Do these even have official prices or is this one of those products where they only talk about pricing if you order at least 100 GPU? In any case not getting really excited about this as even when compatible the pricing probably will be extremely hefty for the 5000 and the hopefully cheaper but still expensive 3500 is not really that much of an upgrade over a 2080 / 2080 super that can be for 600$ or less with a bit of patience:
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Got my hands on one of these and looks like the performance is pretty impressive! I got to test it with a 4080 and the Time Spy score is in the ballpark of what sites like notebookcheck have as stock which is about 26500. With some tweaking it should be possible to increase this to maybe 27500 but benching is not that much fun when the Amplifier reduces performance by at least 10% 😄 So overall this means that for the relatively modest price of a 4070 Super one can get roughly 4080 mobile performance and with a 4070 Ti Super a performance that is roughly on par with a 4090 mobile - not too bad!
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I was going by what @anassa posted that it worked for Pascal and also what I read on Reddit. I only would have an RTX2080 to try that out and it is a very hard to find that MSI card so I certainly won't try it. About your RTX 4000 I might have a vbios from a Dell 7760 for you, would that be of interest? Edit: Never mind, that one has the RTX A4000 - Nvidia sure knows how to make them all sound the same...
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To bad that MobilePascalTDPTweaker does not seem to work for Turing alhough it claims to. There are pretty crippled versions out there of the 2080 and 2080 Super and as you say the 3080 famously only goes up to 165W when it could see pretty good increases in performance by allowing something between 200 and 220W TGP.
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Have you checked with HWInfo regarding the GPU? For some reason with our P870TM I cannot break 8000 even with the 200W bios, it is a bit strange. I also have another strange effect with an Alienware Area 51 with the 2080 where I am stuck at a max of 11500 at both 180 and 200W bios - nothing really happened after switching to the 200W bios. Time to have a closer look at that GPU I guess.
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Wow - that must have been pretty exciting! Sorry it did not help and I also think it would be the best comparison to compare the same everything with regard to: drivers windows version benchmark tool version Obviously this can be very hard to do and I have never done that but it always intrigued me to know how much of a difference it would make.
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I like for my gear to run well - laptop included 🙂 @aldarxt just did another bench on that GT83 and it looks like the GPUs pulled 210 and 208W respectively in a run I just did that made it to a 16345 GPU score - not bad. I also doubt that more power would help here without taking off the bottom cover as the GPUs are getting pretty toasty. So probably something else holding you back. Have you done a run with bottom cover off to possibly get temps down? I currently have the same issue with an Alienware with a very low cinebench score given its clock speed that usually is a pretty good score predictor for the score but this one underperforms by about 4 to 5%. I do not yet know what it is and I am not sure I want to find out as Dell really has crappy software on these but it is hard to run it without that software if one wants some fan and RGB control.
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Thanks, file attached. Here is my best GPU-score in number 6: If you look at the ranking you will see that brothers @Prema @johnksss and @Mr. Fox are in the 1, 3 and 4 spots with their Clevos but at least I got the best ranked GT83 😉 I think I also got around 8300 out of the single card with the GT73 but I cannot find that one any more. GP104.rom
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Interesting link about the combined power delivery for the GT77 HX 13V. With the right bios is apparently can be a bit more than 330W combined for CPU and GPU: Being able to pull over 150W from the CPU instead of a measly 75W (175 + 75) seems highly preferable but I would also want a good cooling pad with some Noctua fans and a bigger power adapter to go with it as otherwise these will be very loud and very short gaming sessions!
