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Don't sweat it, you are doing pretty well with that laptop and a little bit less CPU performance will make little difference in games. I only would be interested in such a pad if it works really well at lower noise levels and it looks like this is not their intended use.

It is not officially out yet: https://www.ietstech.com/post/when-was-the-iets-gt600/gt626-new-laptop-cooling-pad-released-officially/700/ Looks like it will be worth a try when it gets an official release. I would be interested in using it with lower fan speed as I prefer a more quiet environment, does it have an option to vary the fan speed?

I do not think that thermal paste application has gone down it is just that the application has to be better these days as the new Intel CPUs consume a lot more power. In any case I had a Zbook from 2018 that also had a really bad TIM application with temps much too high and all over the place and that was with a much lower TDP.

Those temps are certainly low enough 🙂 Seeing that you are not very far off the top performance for a GPU in your combo I would not sweat it as those last 5% will not really do much for a better gaming experience. As for the CPU I have found HP to be very fond of throttling their CPUs no matter the temps and then they also need attention with regard to fan control so there is only so much you can do.

Switch to PTM7950 - extremely easy to apply and very durable. You can look it up on youtube where there is a bunch of videos about applying it. You want to check with HP but I strongly doubt they would object to a repaste given the deterioration in temps that you are seeing.

If it isn't too hot then it may be the undervolt being too aggressive. Have you ever repadded / repasted so far? That might give you some added stability and better temps. Combining PTM7950 with some thermal putty should be easy enough and help with performance. Thermal putty is a messy solution and changing thermal pads would be cleaner but it is also more difficult and you have to know the thickness of the pads: I am considering to use some putty soon as I have one laptop where the pads are already crumbling which cannot be good plus it will be a nice test case.

You may be able to increase your GPU score with lower temps. Geforce cards get throttled at rather low temps. Before I repasted that GT75 it would not go much about 10000 with the same settings as GPU temps were getting as high as 80 in Time Spy. After the repaste they settled at about 60 tops and that gave a significant boost. Of course if you already are at 60 degrees there is probably not much left to do!

I upped my memory speed from 2666 to 3000 and the GPU score stayed more or less the same. The CPU score increased though - for some reasons this seems to be how Time Spy works. So yes, your Time Spy score would probably go up but chances are the increase would be largely limited to your CPU score. I always like to look at 10th place in the Time Spy leaderboard rankings as this most of the time weeds out outliers who do extreme stuff. Here are the scores for the 11800H / 3060 combo: GPU: 9943 CPU: 12821 long link of the day: https://www.3dmark.com/search#advanced?test=spy P&cpuId=2863&gpuId=1368&gpuCount=0&gpuType=ALL&deviceType=ALL&storageModel=ALL&memoryChannels=0&country=&scoreType=physicsScore&hofMode=true&showInvalidResults=false&freeParams=&minGpuCoreClock=&maxGpuCoreClock=&minGpuMemClock=&maxGpuMemClock=&minCpuClock=&maxCpuClock= As you can see you have way more distance to the number 10 CPU score than the number 10 GPU score. Oh well, it is all fun and games anyway and I am sure other things come into play. For starters and from my experience HP usually is a bit more conservative and quicker to reduce / limit power to the CPU which is why I would compare performance with others who have the same model.

CPU scores seem to scale to a degree but then it is not like this would make much of a change in most real world applications which is also reflected correctly in Cinebench. GPU does NOT increase with memory speed in my experience which is about correct in my book. I found CPU scores to jump around a lot, for me usually between 11200 and 11800 for in this GT75. It is really a flat line at 5 GHz and a few small bumps to 5.1 and sometimes this results in 11400 and sometimes in 11800 - makes no sense. As for the GPU score the limit seems to be somewhere around 10K and you may get a bit higher with cooler temps - how cool is your GPU? At stock the GPU in the GT75 does not even get to 50 degrees which is laughable and at max performance it is still only at around 60 tops.

Thanks, a bit higher than 13K is pretty good for 9th gen. Yours (11th gen) has a ca. 20% IPC gain over it but you would only realize that with a 11980HK in multicore loads. Pretty impressive that you get a bit higher scores with about 0.6 GHz less in the 11800H which is a nice workhorse. I think it scores ca. 14.5K on my Dell workstation with very little effort and less than 125W while getting to 13K with 9th gen was difficult and needed around 4.8 Ghz all cores and up to 180W - feel the heat 🙂 I only do Time Spy but it kind of sucks here as the GPU only gets about 155W and that limits it to ca. 9.9K stock and with a lot of tweaking it got to ca. 10.7K. With 200W up to 12K should be possible but not sure I find it that interesting to get there as there is a risk of bricking that rather costly GPU and I am not even interested in gaming...

Knowing you I kind of thought that you would just take a panel that somehow fits - it is child's play for you compared to the GPU solution 😄 Did you go with displays that have the panel connector in the same place or can the cable also be re-routed for displays that have the connector on the other side?

Thanks, I was looking for the 17.3" panel though and asked @Developer79as it seemed that he had already tested a specific display. Personally I would have preferred a nice QHD display like the one in the X170 series but for the P775TM there is only the not that great AUO TN panel that is pretty bad even by TN panel standards.

MSI GT75 9SG 9980HK: The mobile version of the 9900K that is mostly held back by big intra core differences. No comparison to a 9900K that has much lower differences.

Do you have a panel number for us or a link? And will that panel just go in there and connect to the existing 4K panel cable?

I guess we will have to wait and see and you always have to compare apples to apples. Latency with 2x48 may be worse compared to 2x32 but then it may be better than previous installations with more than 64GB in a laptop which is really the point of comparison if you need more than 64GB. Currently looking at my memory usage and with a few virtual machines I am at 73 out of 128GB so I would at least need 96GB and there would be no point of going back to 64 🙂

From what I remember anything above 64GB in a laptop was limited to 3600 MHz until now so even at 4800 we are talking about a serious speed bump!

I think the image was only a forum logo from TechpowerUp that did not trransfer over so I have erased it and yes we will see what will be possible. From what I read with 4 sodimms and 192GB the 3600 limit should remain in effect and I am not sure if a future bios update will help with that in the laptops with that configuration. If things work out that way the bigger draw imo is being able to go up to 96GB with only two sodimms and stock speeds of 5600, not that many people need more.

Indeed, pretty stupid behaviour. I think their latest models with 400+W power limits were the dual power supply GT75 with the 9980HK CPU and the 2080 and then later the GT76 that went up to the 9900K and 10900K CPUs. Now that we have CPUs and GPUs that would scale very well they only allow for 250W combined CPU and GPU power as if it was something to be happy about...

I see you upped may power uptake for both CPU and GPU by 75W each - not sure that Asus will approve 😄 Is your 600W power supply still in a laptop type form factor like the Eurocom version or is it something entirely different? In any case your project gives a very good idea of what would be possible if manufacturers got serious again with laptops but currently they are not even willing to increase total system power beyond the standard 330W brick. MSI supposedly was allowing a higher power draw of something like 400W with the GT77 for a while but when they noticed it they released a new bios to limit the unit to a total of 330W again- gotta protect that 330W power supply. Obviously this is ridiculous as such a unit could take any combination of power supplies from something like 240W for light travel to 2 x 330W for stationary use - no problem with that.

That's pretty crazy and looking at the desktop 4080 I would assume that going beyond 250W will not bring you that much performance gain but maybe going to 1V will add a bit more! Also I just found your thread in the Asus forum so will continue to post there.

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48GB for sale that was supposedly tested in last years CreatorPro X17: https://www.ebay.de/itm/305032385458 So there seems to be more to it (or less) as MSI pledged support without needing a bios update which would mean that backwards compatibility is better than expected: Feb 10, 2023 Today MSI is announcing the support of 48 GB and 24 GB DDR5, non-binary memory across Intel 700 and 600 Series motherboards, including MEG, MPG, MAG, and PRO Series products. Namely, the maximum memory capacity support is increased to 192 GB for 4 DIMMs motherboards and 96 GB for 2 DIMMs motherboards. MSI has committed to providing performance and compatibility to DIY enthusiasts. It is unnecessary to update motherboard BIOS for supporting 48 GB based memory modules. Just install the new memory module to enjoy a more efficient system with more productivity, especially for those multi-tasking gamers and users.

I don't know about such a bios update being needed in all cases as I am pretty sure that I had an older MSI GT72 with a bios that predated the introduction of 32GB DDR4 and two of those sticks worked just fine in it. In any case there seems to be support from at least Lenovo and MSI and probably most other manufacturers so this will be a very helpful upgrade for laptops with only two SO-DIMM slots.

So it took some time but these are now scheduled to arrive next week over here: If our pricing is any indicator it looks like US pricing should be somewhere between 140 and 150$

I take it this will help a lot given your enormous combined CPU and GPU power draw! How much beyond 200W have you taken your 4090?