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I think the image was only a forum logo from TechpowerUp that did not trransfer over so I have erased it and yes we will see what will be possible. From what I read with 4 sodimms and 192GB the 3600 limit should remain in effect and I am not sure if a future bios update will help with that in the laptops with that configuration. If things work out that way the bigger draw imo is being able to go up to 96GB with only two sodimms and stock speeds of 5600, not that many people need more.

Indeed, pretty stupid behaviour. I think their latest models with 400+W power limits were the dual power supply GT75 with the 9980HK CPU and the 2080 and then later the GT76 that went up to the 9900K and 10900K CPUs. Now that we have CPUs and GPUs that would scale very well they only allow for 250W combined CPU and GPU power as if it was something to be happy about...

I see you upped may power uptake for both CPU and GPU by 75W each - not sure that Asus will approve 😄 Is your 600W power supply still in a laptop type form factor like the Eurocom version or is it something entirely different? In any case your project gives a very good idea of what would be possible if manufacturers got serious again with laptops but currently they are not even willing to increase total system power beyond the standard 330W brick. MSI supposedly was allowing a higher power draw of something like 400W with the GT77 for a while but when they noticed it they released a new bios to limit the unit to a total of 330W again- gotta protect that 330W power supply. Obviously this is ridiculous as such a unit could take any combination of power supplies from something like 240W for light travel to 2 x 330W for stationary use - no problem with that.

That's pretty crazy and looking at the desktop 4080 I would assume that going beyond 250W will not bring you that much performance gain but maybe going to 1V will add a bit more! Also I just found your thread in the Asus forum so will continue to post there.

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48GB for sale that was supposedly tested in last years CreatorPro X17: https://www.ebay.de/itm/305032385458 So there seems to be more to it (or less) as MSI pledged support without needing a bios update which would mean that backwards compatibility is better than expected: Feb 10, 2023 Today MSI is announcing the support of 48 GB and 24 GB DDR5, non-binary memory across Intel 700 and 600 Series motherboards, including MEG, MPG, MAG, and PRO Series products. Namely, the maximum memory capacity support is increased to 192 GB for 4 DIMMs motherboards and 96 GB for 2 DIMMs motherboards. MSI has committed to providing performance and compatibility to DIY enthusiasts. It is unnecessary to update motherboard BIOS for supporting 48 GB based memory modules. Just install the new memory module to enjoy a more efficient system with more productivity, especially for those multi-tasking gamers and users.

I don't know about such a bios update being needed in all cases as I am pretty sure that I had an older MSI GT72 with a bios that predated the introduction of 32GB DDR4 and two of those sticks worked just fine in it. In any case there seems to be support from at least Lenovo and MSI and probably most other manufacturers so this will be a very helpful upgrade for laptops with only two SO-DIMM slots.

So it took some time but these are now scheduled to arrive next week over here: If our pricing is any indicator it looks like US pricing should be somewhere between 140 and 150$

I take it this will help a lot given your enormous combined CPU and GPU power draw! How much beyond 200W have you taken your 4090?

Yours looks like a textbook DTR use case so that's a definite yes. If you buy next year we may have an even bigger selection of 18" laptops but even now you may want to check them out first.

And there are gaming laptops like the MSI GP series or most Lenovo Legion models that look pretty much normal with their RGB effects disabled.

In Germany we now have 48GB UDIMM from: Corsair G-Skill Mushkin TeamGroup Still no SO-DIMM to be seen anywhere...

Not sure if we really need 8 drive slots but with the option to stack drives the manufacturers should go for 6 drive slots for the 2280 form factor. That should be the minimum for top of the line DTRs. A nice side effect would be that laptops would have to get a bit thicker again which can also be used for better cooling.

At least in Germany three manufacturers are offering 48GB UDIMMs so hopefully SO-DIMMs are not too far off.

So I found a disassembly video of the Zbook 16 G9 on youtube and there is no regular MXM from factor card on this one any more and unfortunately the chassis is also used by the Zbook 16 G10: So not too many options for the X170 and I wish HP would go back to a compatible MXM form factor for an 18" Zbook Fury 18 G11.

If it feels to be roughly the same speed it would be good enough for me and as SATA usually feels about as fast as PCI-E I am pretty sure that would be the case. I used to be happy with SATA, too but now the cheapest storage seems to be PCI-E, at least up to 2TB and therefore I have mostly PCI-E drives now.

I usually prefer adjustability but being in a compromised performance state on battery I do not think I would mind SSDs being half of their usual speed as it is not like they could hold that speed for very long anyway. So if AMD based systems only have these restrictions on battery I would not really mind. I had to read that part with @Papusantwice as I could not quite believe it 😄

It probably pretty much depends on what one is doing - if battery life is of any importance check it with the workload you are using as that will give you the best idea of real world useability and in your case your AMD laptop lasts twice as long as the Intel version. It would be a really good idea to tell a laptop how much it is supposed to consume at most or alternatively how long you plan to use it on battery and then it would need some intelligent reallocation of resources to do as best as it can with the consumption / time limit that has been set.

Calling brother @Papusan an AMD fanboy is something else... While the numbers you post are quite interesting it seems the tables are turned with more powerful CPUs like for example here: And FWIW: I had/have a bunch of Intel CPU powered laptops that cannot do shit when on battery but these are the ones with the big boy CPUs that can all pull at least 150W and often up to 200W in multithreaded loads.

Alienware 3.9 kg, GT77HX 3.5 kg, the rest around 3 kg: I am pretty sure that a higher performance 18" model with up to 3.5 kg would be quite attractive and those who cannot/will not lift 3.5kg can always go for the 16" version.

It tells us a lot about the questionable designs employed by other manufacturers that an easy to replace keyboard is not the norm but an advantage. I think this is one of only three models this generation with at least three full size 2280 M2 slots so that definitely could count as a bonus and also the non-flashy design. Apart from not being flashy I find the design to be pretty unimpressive but with other ugly ducklings like the GE78 or the rather silly looking Asus models having a "special" look seems to be the norm and not the exception for this generation.

That is a bit hard to understand so is there any comparison between stock fans and regular fans with everything else being the same? A 10°C reduction with application of LM and the new fans would cause me to wonder which part of the reduction is due to the fans and which part is due to the LM 🙂 In any case it is very nice to again hear that the new fans are really quiet!

This seems to be a bit hard to understand with regard to temps, would it be possible to give us temps like this: stock heat sink old fans CPU/GPU stock heat sink new fans CPU/GPU hybrid on air old fans CPU/GPU hybrid on air new fans CPU/GPU In any case from what you say it looks like the fans are quite a bit cheaper then the hybrid heatsink and give a similar reduction in noise or temperatures?

I knew it was something with v 😄

Not to mention those who bought the 8GB 4070 - they must really feel validated now...