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Ok, i'll probably save that for this weekend as I want to make some progress on my professional development through the week. Im using the same 'meh' RAM I bought when I got the AM4 system, for daily driving 32GB has definitely been preferred for some time. That being said it'll be addition to my comparison thread :) Right now I think I have IF set to 1933, one more thing to add to the list is to try 1600:3200 then

Tried to see if my RAM would hit that but no dice, like, at all. If there is interest I can try the 4400Mhz DDR4 kit from @Mr. Fox kit that he sold me some time ago. Im not sure why but some people on OCN were saying to increase the IF speed to 1900Mhz+ but from what I understand there is only one CCD so, no resource sharing. Would it be worth it to try 4000Mhz with 2000Mhz IF perhaps? Likely would be instable which is why I would guess that 3800/1900 tends to be the goal?

Any reason not to go with Dell proper? Not high volume or just keeping it local?

Any idea if they apply any tuning to the 5800X3D? Had to use the PBO2 Utility to apply the -30 offset to hit 4.450 otherwise its all over the place. Not really interested in the title perse, just curious. There are definitely games that just prefer the raw Mhz over L3 Cache

Really happy to hear he still has enthusiasm for PC's most of the OG's just quit or disappear.

Welcome to the Forums!

He always treated me fairly even if I was a little too hot headed and tap danced on the line as a result when arguing with people on OCN. He runs Extremehw?

ENTERPRISE, holy hell talk about a vet in the PC space

It doesnt help that the main designation for the mobile variants are just H/HX/X of mostly the same thing. The nomenclature of both vendors has been a bit of a wash lately.

I was in much higher favor to AMD drivers before they updated to the GUI we all contend with now. Loaded quickly, and changes made for a specific title took place in the game in real time. Where as Nvidia control used to take almost 4 minutes to open at worst and changes I made to a game didnt take effect until a reboot of the title. Those two points were a huge pain as at the time I was heavily engaged into implementing mods for Mass Effect 2 and 3 (to lesser degree, but like Elder Scrolls modding for many). I think the GPU settings do take effect in real these days IIRC, but NCP is still sporadic. There would be times even on the 1080K platform where it would take 30-90 seconds just to open and other times instantly. With the 5800X3D on average its about 3-5 seconds, which is acceptable.

Of course, its why I say "general speaking" though in this scenario I should have probably put more emphasis on that, since not all tasks weigh the same on its available resources.

Seems simple to me, if there are less services actively running, generally speaking, that leaves the CPU available to do what you want it to. No?

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/205904/intel-core-i910850k-processor-20m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz.html Yep! @ryan I ran the benchmark for Age of Empires II and when I look to the other benchmark results it appears to be more focused on whether or not the system would bode well enough for multiplayer, not something to push the individual machine. The result on the 5800X3D/RTX3090 was 1286 Which only means its good enough for MP lol

This is the desktop sub-forum, with a topic involving desktop processors

Doesnt count if there no ads! Right? Right? Right? I think a friend of mine might have that game, i'll see if I can borrow it.

Removed and updated STTOR benchmarks as the 10850K submissions had incorrect Graphical settings. Benches re-ran and integrated Tomb Raider and Middle Earth: Shadow of War have been added to the review. Going to try and get a RT benchmark comparison next, for some reason the game kept crashing on the 5800X3D with RT enabled.

Citations post added in the second post so that if people wanted they can view the screen shots. If anything is amiss I can easily rerun benchmarks for the 5800x3D and 10850k. If 2700x benches are needed that will probably wait until I have a bundle of tasks I can do as I will have ti swap the cpu

Oh yeah for sure, if anyone from 10th Gen @5ghz and high speed memory was thinking about swapping to the 5800x3d it wouldn't make too much sense from a general standpoint. 5800x3d will be my daily driver so I can put the 10850k into quad fire / quad sli benching in the winter.

It didnt help that the writers actually hated the IP, fans have rejected the show at this point including Henry Cavill and I believe its canceled. Anyways, thread for 2700X / 5800X3D / 10850K has been made

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Citations Horizon: Zero Dawn Returnal Rise of the Tomb Raider Shadow of the Tomb Raider Shadow of the Tomb Raider - RT Enabled @ Ultra Tomb Raider Shadow of War

Good Evening everyone! So to give some context in this upgrade going to have to rewind a bit. I had just finished doing another modification to the Alienware 17 R1, already had lost my sound due to BCLK tampering and now the screen started flickering when the GPU was screwed ever so slightly too tight. Frustrated and tired of tearing down the system I decided to make my way to MicroCenter. It appears this was the perfect time to buy a new system as AMD 3xxx had dropped so pricing on the 2700x was dirt cheap, and in the deals they have for buying a motherboard together with the CPU and it worked out to about 160 USD for the 2700x. I did splurge a bit with the X570 ITX board with the idea of, I would eventually buy what ever the top of the line chip was at the end of the line for AM4. Waited a bit as the pricing really sucked in comparison to when I purchased the 2700x, recently the price dropped to 270. Hence, here we are. Oh and 10850K makes a cameo appearance as well! Here are the specs for all systems involved. 2700X @ 4.0Ghz w/ PA 120 SE w/3x Nidec Servo 2150RPM 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz (XMP) RTX 3090 +100/+1200/@119PL 2560x1440 VSYNC OFF 5800X3D @ 4.450Ghz w/ PA 120 SE w/3x Nidec Servo 2150RPM 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz (XMP) RTX 3090 +100/+1200/@119PL 2560x1440 VSYNC OFF 10850K @ 5.0Ghz w/ NH-D15 w/Arctic 140mm P14 16GB DDR4 4400Mhz RTX 3090 +100/+1200/@119PL 2560x1440 VSYNC OFF Now on to some benchmarks! Horizon: Zero Dawn had a rough launch, but I enjoyed playing it regardless as I resisted the temptation to buy a PS4 and was "rewarded" with a PC release. I think its in better shape now, might replay again soon. From the above data, the 2700X does "just fine" for Horizon: Zero Dawn. However, benchmark does point out that it does drop to 38 FPS which is pretty noticeable on a 144hz panel. It doesnt happen often, but once a pattern is noted, its hard to not notice it. The 5800X3D does have a healthy bump across min/avg/max readings as well as surpass the tuned 10850K as well. Its not enough to justify switching platforms but it is note worthy. Returnal - This was a new title in my rotation, ended up enjoying it more than I suspected I would. A challenging game that punishes you failing and rewards you for not failing. There is no succeeding in this game. This title doesnt seem to benefit much from either the 5800X3D or the 10850K. There are definitive gains, but not enough to jump to either platform. Appears to be mostly GPU bound title. Rise of the Tomb Raider - I've enjoyed the reboot TR games, for some reason I stopped playing Shadow of the Tomb Raider but I might pick it up again. didnt know before hand but it appears that Tomb Raider is one of the titles that L3 cache appears to play a larger role in. As a result I took more time with this title. The next 4 graphs will be ROTTR at various settings noted in each graph. ROTTR goes through 3 areas to capture FPS data. I abbreviated each run on the charts to simplify how its presented. STD shorthand for Standard, and AA shorthand for Anti-Aliasing. -MP = Mountain Peak -S = Syria -GV = Geothermal Valley and continuing... Not sure why the 2700x seemed to be just taking a dirt nap under DX12 with lighter settings. The lows were abysmal, perhaps it has to do with still loading the run. That being said when you crank up the settings across the board a pattern more or less emerges. The demands on the hardware increase with each run save for the last graph. Shadow of the Tomb Raider - Average FPS Im not quite sure how to extrapolate all the data from SOTTR benchmarks so I just went with the averages. I still have the screenshots so if people let me know I can edit them re-submit. Also I followed the same presets as before, in this order. PS1 - DX11 | Max Settings | No AA | Low hair PS2 - DX11 | Max Settings | Max AA | Max hair PS3 - DX12 | Max Settings | No AA | Low hair PS4 - DX12 | Max Settings | Max AA | Max hair Also I didnt grab the full sweep of data for the 10850K. I'll add that in later if people want. EDIT: Went back and re-ran the benchmarks to finish this chart. Citations will be provided shortly. Shadow of the Tomb Raider - Ray Tracing Enabled Dont let this bar chart paint an incorrect impression of RT performance, the FPS range between all systems is 5 FPS. Wanted to see if there would be much impact on performance between the CPU's with RT On. There is a difference, but within this range it would be hard to make an argument for any of the processors. Tomb Raider Tomb Raider (2013) by today's standards is quite dated. That being said I like to play it from time to time. One thing I usually derive from this game is why I dont care for new graphics features that often, above you can see the performance penalty of adding TressFX and AA. No setting should cost you 200 FPS. Performance is in-line from what you would expect however this title seems to favor the brute force method of the 10850K over the 5800X3D, albeit, not by much. Shadow of War is one of those titles that somehow punched above its weight class. While some elements of the story were just ridiculous, the gameplay was quite enjoyable. This title does seem to favor the 5800X3D, particularly the minimum FPS. Perhaps the bad minimums for the 2700x and 10850K are a result of the start of the benchmark as for the short while that I did play I didnt see choppy FPS. It is what it is though. The 5800X3D is an overall improvement over the 2700x, but if you are using the 10850K with some decent ram, there really isnt any justifiable reason to switch platforms. If you are sitting on an older AM4 motherboard with standard RAM the 5800X3D is very tempting in comparison to the 2700x. Im getting tired, ill add more as I gather it together.

I did quite a bit of reading last night and this morning. It looks like there are multiple factors in play for memory overclocking on AM4. First, the kit themselves. People and reviewers failed to hit even 3400Mhz on this kit. Even timings barely move without hitting instability. Im not too bent over it, was just seeing what I could get from them but as a daily driver system, 32GB was more to what I was wanting. Everything else would've just been a bonus. Second, AM4 motherboards seem to have issues when applying XMP as well, chiefly where the SoC voltage ramps up for reasons yet to be discerned. Have to go back and set voltage manually. Once this is done, generally memory OC then becomes viable. However, I run into the issues above. Its fine, its a bummer sure but I will keep the 4400Mhz kit in the 10850K system, benching doesnt have much need for more than 16GB where as a daily driver system will feel those limitations. I am gathering the data into an excel spreadsheet so I can make some bar charts, had to re-run some benchmarks since I made some clerical errors. Hopefully tomorrow I can have this posted and move on to working on my professional development.

Looks 4.5Ghz might just be out of the cards, cant even POST at 101.00 BCLK Also looks like the RAM kit I bought for this system forever ago appear to be duds. They do XMP, but thats about it.