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Bro @Mr. Fox You remember I posted info about Alphacool's new cheap powerful fans? They come in 120 and 140mm + up to 4000 rpm. See Alphacools press release here. Check how the fans looks like in design and shape. https://www.techpowerup.com/301430/alphacool-unveils-core-120-pwm-and-core-140-pwm-series-case-fans I ordered these fans for the build to my middle son. I checked first Alphacool and then the web store Aquatuning who sell their products. I ordered from them. The 140mm fan is exactly what they advertisee in look, shape and design. All good. Then we have the 120mm fan. What I got looks more as a server fan. The Manufacturer no.: 24845 is verified correct for my 120mm fans and what the Manufacturer + shop offer. On the box with my fan it say Article no.: 24845. But what I got is something different. What I got is on left. A server fan but with the correct article nr. Fan on the right is the correct fan I expected to get. This is so damn disgusting. Even the EAN: 4250197248457 nr is correct stamped on the box I got but I didn't get what I ordered. Then compare the design vs server fans below. The fan I got have even an ugly colored cables. And the uvly colored cable is 30 cm. Not the 40 cm as advertised. This is not what they showed in the press release. See... Alphacool 120mm server fan. Stamped ES as well. Same design as the fan I got but with different label, and product numbers Now I'm very angry. Soon Christmas and the shipping is a problem before Christmas holidays. Edit. And the cable is 30 cm. Not the 40 cm as advertised in the press release. The quality control is a huge disaster.

Put it this way. When scalpers struggling hard sell their 4080 cards, even Jensen should grasp reality that the prices for 4080 is all too high. Nvidia have nothing new to offer outside the 4090. People will rather buy new than 2 years old cards for sub $1000. And AMD can offer this if they is able to increase production of 7000 series cards. How many of the 4090 are nvidia able to throw out to keep up maximum profits? Christmas season is soon here. What do you think Nvidia will do if they can’t offer what the people want? Air and love?😀 What did you pay for this one vs the chips you sold?

I think most of the chips with SP100 and higher will do this if the P-cores reach +SP110. This if they use adequate cooling. And better SP rated chips than the mentioned above will reach 300W if temps become too high. High temperatures will push the chips above the 300w target in CBR23. Then you have good binned chips that will use more wattage than average retail chips. Look at Der8auers video of Alder lake. Good binned chips doesn't always mean lower wattage at same clock speed.

Five percent is five percent and better than nothing. And nvidia have never been so fast change prices due the exchange in valuta before. And here is more... Medio middle Desember. We'll see If nvidia have enough 4080 and too little of 4090 they need to make some changes. Whats the point flood retail with more of the 4080 cards if no-one buy them because of the awful disgusting prices? Nvidia GeForce RTX 4080 could get a much-needed price cut soon

The first small move from Nvidia? More to come? 20% lower and I’m sold on the 4090. This would be the same as the 25% added tax over U.S price point. Every 5% down is equal $100 here home. NVIDIA is lowering GeForce RTX 4090/4080 pricing in Europe by 5% Published: 5th Dec 2022,

Gold from the old (GTX 670) https://hwbot.org/submission/5136692_papusan_3dmark2001_se_geforce_gtx_670_194901_marks?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5136698_papusan_superpi___32m_core_i9_13900k_(8p)_3min_56sec_280ms?recalculate=true

This is so Ugly it can be. Who thought AMD would help Nvidia sell their overpriced 4080 cards? Could be that the overpriced 4080 looks great on paper when we take into account of what the custom AMD cards will be priced at. Nvidia is smart... Maybe they know AMD don't have much cards in stock to push out. Just let the ugly prices be there and people who waited on AMD's offer will have jump on 4080 as this cards most likely will be in stock. Pre-orders for AMD's upcoming Radeon RX 7900 XTX & RX 7900 XT graphics cards have opened up in China and it looks like custom cards would be just as expensive as NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 40 line. Custom AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX & RX 7900 XT Graphics Cards To Cost Up To $1600 US In China https://wccftech.com/custom-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-rx-7900-xt-graphics-cards-to-cost-up-to-1600-usd-in-china/ All this supply problems with cheaper new models will also help Nvidia to keep up demands for their more expensive 4090. Everything will be sold out and at very high prices. I'm after a 4090, but it doesn't look promising for me for now.

Nothing will be better. Only worse. None is so greedy as the poor filthy rich man. The more you have... The more you want. Have always been like this. People or governments... The act the same. Not all have class, bro Etern. This doesn't look as a good idea. The Nr1 will always be Nr1 regardless of league. But companies should stop bragg about highest performance if not all have same start point. But they want sales... Hence push Elite in front to sell own products that don't offer what is adverticed. But companies should stop bragg about highest performance if not all can have same start point. But they want sales... Hence they push the Elite in front to upsell own products. Aka, you won't be offered what they advertise/sell. And the Elite take advantage from this.

The Norwegian government who is the greedy devil. They bought a huge Parcel/post sorting machine that all post/packages has to throught. If I send one package to a small city 100km away from me North over. The package will be sent to the main city Oslo in Southt and back Norht outside where I live and to the shipping adress. A few years ago we had Parcel/post sorting machine in every main city. From South to North. Norway is one of the biggest in oil/gas in the world. We don't lack money. But if you have a lot $$$$. Then you want more. They cut costs everywhere. They have even reduced post delivery to only 3 days a week. Packages or letters, doesn't matter. But, getting the Corsair PSU for $262 US Dollar included +25% tax is worth the wait. Edit. Yep the big power cable fits very thight in the PSU connector. I almost wish it was a bit more loose, LOOL

I still haven't got the HX1500i. Everything of shipping here in Norway is a disaster. Get a package from outside Norway (still a Norwegian webshop who fix the tax) can take 3 weeks. But a loose Power cable ain't the end of the world. How it perform/long time reliability is what counts And I ordered a package from another city (500km) from where I live, can take up to 2 weeks from I order to I have it in my hands. And they send it one or two days after I ordered it. Imagine how long it would take from China. @Mr. Fox Elite/fab benchers have binned Cpu's, MB, ram and graphics cards. On top they get own custom firmware where they also have the signing key to tune Sbios/vBios further. They even get special threatments for PSUs as well. As you can se, we all compete on same level and in same play yard, LOOL So if you want to compete on same level, just forget it. You caan only do so much....

I didn't konw you was that bad in math😀 Worth every dime brother😀 Maybe ask in the Corsair forum. Ask them if this is the quality standard to expect from their most expensive PSUs.

You can find an AIO from EVGA or Arctic. They often pop up. This is the two brand I would go with. And of course the models with almost no bling bling. I have had both. And with damn good bench results. Many of the people with custom cooling struggled to come in front of an cheapo AIO in many benches, LOOL Great job brother🙂 And take the #3rd as well. Or all 5 top spots. https://hwbot.org/submission/5135921_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_670_583679_marks?recalculate=true Close to 6.5GHz on water. 43rd GLOBAL RANK: SuperPi-1M🙂 https://hwbot.org/submission/5135920_papusan_superpi___1m_core_i9_13900k_(8p)_4sec_937ms?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5135917_papusan_superpi___32m_core_i9_13900k_(8p)_3min_57sec_17ms Edit. For you bro @electrosoft 🙂

The new one offer more weak plastic and bling bling. See if you find previous model. Most likely you'll find it cheaper. A good AIIO. I use on the older desktop. A great choice. https://hwbot.org/submission/5135826_papusan_gpupi_for_cpu___100m_core_i9_13900k_(8p)_3sec_443ms?recalculate=true 56th GLOBAL 8X CPU RANK: CPU GPUPI-1B https://hwbot.org/submission/5135825_papusan_gpupi_for_cpu___1b_core_i9_13900k_(8p)_1min_7sec_951ms?recalculate=true The Barrow AIO have weaker fans and I expect the software is worse than what EVGA offer. I would jump over this one and rather go with EVGA or Arctic AIO. Both offer a better total package.

Do they even test firmware before they push it out? Can't even test if the core ratio works as it should. This reminds me all about Microsoft and their awful CU patches. I'll see if I find similar cheap fan setup for bottom chassis below the GPU. What I have now isn't on same level in finish🙂

If the color Lian Li used for the Lancool chassis wasn't ugly brown black and instead used real black it would almost be plug and play. Just drill 4 holes. Even two would be enough. Could be the color is different in real life. All the White modern color mess destroy for proper black colors nowadays. https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-216/ From 0.23 sec

Not sure, but probably depending on the GP design. As an idea on how it will works...

Not everyday I see great features added for desktop chassis, but this one was new. I like it. Maybe I can buy one and paint it in the same black color as my Corsair 1000D. Need more info from the owners of this chassis first. 10C lower Gpu temp. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lian-li-lancool-216-review

HaHa. New has to be better, LOOL

Could be Asus made some changes as for the Z790 boards like renesas pmic high voltage mode with no vdroop now. And the MB makers could have made better Z690 boards from the beginning. The Z790 boards is better for any of todays DDR5 sticks. M-die or A-die doesn't matter. Same for the worse Samsung and Micron ICs. New boards handle they better. Paying premium should have offered better quality. Z690 was the guinea pig for DDR5 so the HW engineers should have kicked the the bean counter in the balls and say this is what it costs to make working boards (save money other places than on the boards quality). Regarding small chassis. The The H7 Flow Mid-Tower, this is not the smallest mid-tower chassis, then imagine how it is to work in the smaller SFF chassis😀

More like this😃 Btw. My sons white baby just arrived. What a neat small box vs the big black box. Something for @electrosoft 😀 Guess what is in front of the small box... Edit. Damn small box. I'm not used to this. Neither for laptops and neither for desktops. I love big. Everything has to be big. Bigger the better. I can barely work with my hands inside this box, HaHa. One cm headroom left before the chosen GPU will crash in the pump, LOOL

Cheaper? Not the way I see it... When the 6600 sticks was out they was top of the line and very expensive. Now they are cheaper, slower and the new high end sticks are out. Etc G. Skill DDR5-8000 at near 600$ or equal disgusting priced as when the DDR5-6600 was brand new and the top dog.. So nothing have really changed 🙂 Nvidia can't have help from the miners anymore to keep prices up. Now they have to do it themself. Just produce less cards to keep up the price point. Could be Nvidia that have asked the retailers to help them get rid of 4080 cards. Because almost no gamer will buy them. https://wccftech.com/scalpers-left-holding-the-bag-and-are-struggling-to-return-nvidia-rtx-4080s-en-masse/ HaHa. Bro @Etern4l Wasn't about what you bought. Your choice of PSU was an exelent choice. And me... I don't want to judge peoples choices. If they are happy. Then I'm happy 🙂 And thanks for the nice words. @jaybee83 are you good at math?🙂 How will this calculation be if you pay the double price for the more power efficient PSU and use it 12 hours pr day and sum up after a year?😁 Lets say the cheap one costs $250 and the expensive $500. How much will you save? What if the same choices have been put between the Gold and Platinum? More like.......

If I want to upgrade my HW and sell what I already have... I have to buy parts "if they offer RGB" to be able to sell it for an ok price on the used market. Many want this modern "bling bling"... And people will rather pay extra for this on used market than buy used without it. But this is the time we live in. Can't have it all. For me... Parts need the crap if I want reduce my loss. Almost nothing you buy today can keep up its $$$ value over its lifespan.

If you don't need an new PSU, you will lose money. And as I said... Pay premium for a PSU over a cheaper one with ok efficiency to try save money is flawed thinking. See my post below Electricity here is around 0.3-0.5 US Dollar. And have been above this. We produce and sell clean electricity over to EU now. And we sell everything we can produce of Gas and Oil. This because of the war in Ukraine. And the Norwegian citizens suffer hard from this. Regarding save money on higher tier PSU vs cheaper one to save money on electricity... I could bought the AX1600i for $572. Got a great deal on the Corsair HX1500i ($262.5). They are both comparable in terms of efficiency. The Ax1600i is sligthly a bit more efficient. But I pay 2.18 times the price more for the more expensive model. Lets say I use it at half power aka 750W 24/7. How long do I need do keep it to save money "if the more expensive PSU" may provide maximum 2% better efficiency?🙂 Zero or a loss. Not a save. at least not for me. And make the calculation even worse... I use the pc the half time(12/7). And with much less than the suggested power. So the more expensive AX1600i would never pay of for my middle son. And who use 750W compute power 24/7 ? This means the GPU and Cpu has to run at full power 24/7/365. I don't see many will max out all power 24/7. If this is still the case, the pc is put up the way that you let it run for automatic tasks. Not a normal use pc. This is more as server use. Or host machine for many clients. As I said in my previous posts. Nice to have over cheaper will never pay of if you hope save money on slightly more comparable in terms of efficient power adapters. Btw. What did you pay for the AX1600. Have to be very cheap if you think you'll save money on the better efficiency. In short... Cheaper model that fits your bill "will always be cheaper". Find very good deals is the only and best way to save money or cut cost. Not the 1 or 2% better efficency.

Thats great. But Money saving due the better effiency won't pay off. You still pay more than for an cheaper PSU with similar or slightly less efficency. It's there you will save your $$$$. More expensive means always less $$$ back in your pocket and over the (PSU's) lifespan. --------------------------------------------------------- How is this even possible? First you have to enable ECC in NCP for benching (with performance penalty) then you now need bios updates to play games with 4000 series cards. Nice. Older gen GPU as 3090 Ti have also ECC support but you don't need to enable it for benching. Nice.... New tech is always better. Or shall we say new tech sucks more than ever? Put in what fits. EA Says GeForce RTX 4090 Needs A BIOS Update To Play Nice With Need For Speed Unbound The early impressions on Steam for EA's newly released Need for Speed Unbound are "Very Positive" out of over 650 user votes. Be that as it may, there's an annoying issue that can manifest on high-end gaming PCs equipped with NVIDIA's flagship GeForce RTX 4090 graphics card, and the solution is an odd one—update the bios. It's not too often that a game publisher advises updating the BIOS on your graphics card. In fact, I can't recall a single time this has ever happened before now (feel free to enlighten me in the comments if this has actually happened before). Typically the workarounds for these kinds of issues involve game patches and driver updates, or other non-BIOS altering tweaks. Imagine you have a Dell Jokebook. As etc the older +5000$ Alienware Area-51M gaming flagship that burned up.... You was forced to update vBios to be able to play games.... Dell added power caps (crippled the performance) in the firmware and you was forced to do the upgrade with a nice performance penalty. Isn't that nice bro @Mr. Fox? Forced to do a firmware upgrade to play your games due stupid new Tech design solutions.

Anyone that would pay $800 for the coming RTX 4070? If this is near or close the price point from Nvidia, I think Jensen must go through extensive lobotomy... He just can't be a CEO anymore if he can't use his head. Even a blind man can see this is totally wrong. RTX 4070 in 4 months: doomed to be too expensive? overclocking.com https://en.overclocking.com/rtx-4070-in-4-months-doomed-to-be-too-expensive/ https://hwbot.org/submission/5134484_papusan_geekbench3___multi_core_core_i9_13900k_(8p)_72552_points