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Microsoft failed help AMD with an working power scheduler in earlier days. Hence AMD needed cook up one inhouse for themself. I really hate if we now need an new Intel software to try make this new hybrid mess to work properly with Windows. And Microsoft is well known to break things with updates. And I don't like install several bios updates to try make it work better than yesterday. We all know how that works out. And as all know... Microsoft playing god with the power plans in newer OS builds to match their new low power smartphone Cpu's from Qualcomm. I hate such nonsense. And AMDs driver packages to make the Cpu's to work is awful. Now we are at the risk running into the same with Intel's new glued together mess. And Intel have already started remove features like C1E in bios with MC for Raptor lake to reduce power and to reduce the stress on the CPUs. Maybe they can reduce RMA cost doing it this way. Yup, I don't like the direction it goes with modern tech. Edit. This looks very interesting. Asus measly 6K views and beaten by Asrock for Z890 boards @Mr. Fox Maybe the awful ROG tax finally is too hard to swallow? Not sure yet on the Z890 Apex prices here home, but the ASRock Z890 TAICHI OCF ain't cheap. $730 USD here home🙄 And many of the MSI so called better boards cost from $730 and upwards to +$1000 USD.

Forgot the s😁 - Aris Mpitziopoulos. Not Ares. Papusan vs jaybee83 = 0-0🤩

Intel have made it difficult for everyone. Also Ari at Cybenetic Lab mention the same.

I see. That's why modern computer users love (a)RDB puke show. And more if just mean more performance😁 Intel Core Ultra 200S processors have consistency and instability issues at launch, are Core 13 and Core 14 bugs returning? It's from Moore's law is dead so have this in mind. But all this messed up just follow modern tech trends. Bugs and problems with new released tech is the new normal nowadays The only positive note is the fact that they will be more energy efficient than the Ryzen 9000 and Ryzen 7000 out of the box , and also cooler. And that's all for the problems with the Core Ultra 200S, where tomorrow we will see if that consistency in performance and that instability will take its toll on Intel, but if everything is confirmed, we will be, possibly, not only facing the worst launch of the blues of the year, but perhaps of its entire history, worse than what we saw with Zen 5 and the Ryzen 9000, which is saying something. Intel's CEO Pat. Gelsinger working hard for Intel......

Yup, Intel already feed Microsoft with Meteor + Lunar lake chips for their trashbooks. And these modern hybrid processors are the foundation for making Arrow Lake cpu's for desktops. So we are there already. And worse it will be. See the beauty below....

Hmmm. If Qualcomm/ARM going out of business.... Be you sure Intel and AMD will design chips to meet Microsoft and phone manufacturers need. Aka the focus on desktop and Jokebook chips will fade away and all we will get is ARM replacements but tagged as X86 chips from Intel and AMD. Not so sure you want it that way either🙂 Because Intel etc won't make different chips depending on what they will be used in. The profits is in Unisex design that fits all and everything. As an reminder.... Microsoft did the same with their OS. Aka it started with Windows 8. There is no more desktop OS from Microsoft!!!!

Worth the money?😀 https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-ultra-7-265k-goes-on-sale-before-official-embargo Here's more disgusting for the day... Not that I want an smartphone CPU in any Pc's (thats silly) but how ARM blessing innovation and competition. In a shocking move, Arm cancels Qualcomm's license to manufacture Snapdragon chips Qualcomm is almost entirely dependent on those licenses for its products Following the acquisition, Nuvia's tech lived on as the Oryon custom CPU cores now powering Qualcomm's latest Snapdragon X Elite processors for Windows on Arm laptops and other Copilot+ PCs. Qualcomm just announced new Oryon-based mobile chips this week. If Arm does follow through on killing Qualcomm's license after the 60-day notice period, it could derail Qualcomm's multi-billion dollar mobile and PC chip business. The company might have to stop selling certain products that reportedly accounts for nearly the entirety of its $39 billion in annual revenue.

More info from this link.... https://hothardware.com/news/hear-eerie-sound-earth-magnetic-field

If Intel go with Arrow Lake Refresh they need to add more cores (bigger compute tile because they are already on 3nm) and at same time push higher clock speed as for 12th to 13th gen. A usual 4% bump in clock speed as in the old days won't do anything for the gaming performance. Either 2 extra P-cores (10+16), 8+24 or 10+24 and higher clock speed. Pick your poison for next gen on same socket. But we need much faster P-cores if better gaming performance is the goal. Or add 3D v-cashe in the bottom of the compute tile. The hybrid mess is real. Not much better than the glued mess from AMD. But this die structure smells more babies. Exactly same as going from 12th to 13th gen. More P-cores just use too much power. So Intel's magic will be more of the same power efficient E-cores and hope higher clock speed bump for the remaining 8 P-cores give a small boost in gaming. 4% better score than 14700K. Fantastic improvement over previous gen. Almost as in the old days going from 6700K to 7700K🤢 Or +37.500 at 212w

What I hate with MSI.... Most locked system of all OEMs regarding custom tweak/XOC software. And Gigabyte don't bother with XOC. + Gigabyte is probably the OEM that use most stickers of them all to tell you why you can't get the repair for free on warranty. They don't even bother open the card before they send it back. HaHa. And what with the new plaform? Same feelings?🙂

Hmmm. Then I'm at the risk with my hobby (+20 cards)😀 Hope Asus have improved their support/RMA or it will be nasty. I, don't like MSI and Gigabyte. ASRock is tempting due the price but not so sure they follow up with bios updates. Firmware that works and not screw up as EVGA did at the end with some graphics cards. Not fun with a new modern MB that can't handle all older graphics cards properly. My trust in MB vendors is very limited. And this apply all tech. They screw up in one or another way. And all of them jump if Microsoft-Intel-AMD and Nvidia say they have to jump (out from the cliff). Yup, even Torvalds don't have any trust in new modern hardware.... Linus Torvalds is "fed up with buggy hardware and completely theoretical attacks" Hmmm. Is this also a Microsoft in love with ASUS problem? Microsoft blocks Windows 11 24H2 update on devices with known issues The monumental 2024 update is being withheld from some users to minimize issues, all while the number of affected devices continues to grow.

HeHe. You never know with modern tech😀 The good thing living in Norway. There is almost no options if you want PC components. You can order from another country but that will be away more expensive and the shipping time will be disgusting. MSI Z890 Unify-X... Not even listed. Asus Z890 Apex.... Most Asus boards listed included the Apex, but no prices and unknown delivery date. Maybe they don't know where to put the ROG Tax? ASRock Z890 TAICHI OCF... Unknown delivery date... No listed two dimm Gigabyte board. Yup, damn nice live up here in the cold North.

Congrats. I see Asus haven't bother change anything regarding fan headers. Do you know if they have added more than one wimpy High Amp fan header? With the extra 8-Pin there should be no problem swap out a few with higher capacity. Idiotic if you can't use the extra 12v line from the extra power connector to something sensible/useful. Not all will use an extra GPU for AI tasks. They have changed how it works. Just bend the GPU out from the front side and it will pop out. No need for an easy-release button anymore.

Yup. Without real overclock on the baby-cores this looks worse and worse if the results is real. Core Ultra 9 285K already use +370W with unlimited power and barely manage 46.000 in CBR-23. That is on level with an nice binned oc'd 14th gen Core i9. This looks darn disgusting... CBR23 ~ 46289@370W. And the ring is heavly castrated. Measly 3.8GHz. I wonder how far you can go with a Ring clock speed running at Jokebook clocks. https://videocardz.com/pixel/unlocked-intel-core-ultra-9-285k-approaches-370w-power-draw-during-cinebench-test

G. Skill just hate spend money on thermal pads. Also the Clock driver don't get any thermal pad. How much did G. Skill save for an 3cm² thermal pad ? 10-20 cent? This is real greed. Asus, what the hell is going on with the pricing.... The ROG tax ain't enough anymore. AMD make ready for the Arrow Lake launch. I'm quite sure AMD pay the price difference between the MSRP and the lower retail prices. AMD Ryzen 9 9950X drops to $599 for the first time, 9900X now 14% lower at $429

ASUS going this route. Asus going the DELL/Alienware direction... Remove functionality that have been there the whole time. Remove features in firmware is a bad way to fix problems that not all will experience. See.... 2.The option to disable C1E in the BIOS has been removed to ensure it remains enabled, reducing processor stress and maintaining stability per Intel's recommendation. https://www.overclock.net/posts/29379060/

Much of this should be put in the box BAD. HT on 8 P-cores can correspond to 6000 points in CBR-23 if you have the thermals and power headroom. Aka a real Arrow lake could pass 50.000 points in CBR-23 with custom cooling and not maxed out OC. 10% higher performance with tuned Arrow Lake chips but with same power performance profile as for older 14900KS is less than you should have expected from 3nm vs fake 7nm (actually 10nm, not 7nm) at same power consumption. I mean the CBR-23 performance with no HT aka 24 threads for 285K is bad. Intel's goal this time wasn't better performance. It was all about power efficiency. And that's sad for people with good enough Cpu cooling. Aris is spot on @Mr. Fox

The score is awful from an brand new CPU arcitecture and 32 threads. And Intel don't do it any better with their 24 threads hybrid mess and baby cores. The performance stagnation is clear as a sunny day. This is awful. Core Ultra 9 285K should had HT with same IPC uplift. This is too small of a gain over current gen Raptor Lake (Refresh). But I expect everything is all about improved power efficiency and single core workflow. Intel really need to come back with either more P-cores or more threads. Because this is an miniscule performance uplift and just embarassing. . And the stated gaming performance just make it complete. Intel Core Ultra 9 285K CPU Is Up To 6% Faster at 250W Versus Core i9-14900KS At Extreme Mode

This one made my day😆 See bolded text. Maybe he should doing the same and start hunting after his brain? @Mr. Fox I have included some pictures and I will try to get this RMA'd. I personally don't like the way the cable sticks out so would it be beneficial to purchase another one of these? I know they had a recall for V1 & V1.1 but I don't even know the version I got.

Exactly what Intel wanted right before the release of 15th gen. So more good news for Intel and their upcoming power efficient gaming flop Core Ultra PROCESSORS. We are not talking about 15% lower gaming performance as Intel showcased, but +20% less gaming performance compared to their competitors GAMING CHIPS. Intel will regret the switch to TSMC tile mess if the performance differences is as big as these rumors say. Being behind by 30% in several games is not only sad, it is disgusting from a flagship product. And if this is the results to expcted then not be surprised if Intel make a copy-cat of AMD's X3D products early next year. Intel are already very close.... They already use TSMC and glued silicon. Add the v-cashe to the glued mess is what we will see next. Game over for Intel? Leaked X3D 'turbo mode' set to give Ryzen 9800X3D up to a 35% gaming boost

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A weird person but enjoy @Mr. Fox @ryan+++

Google going down the drain. And soon you'll see adblockers going away. Aka Google Chrome will be worse than ever. Soon time to go on and find something else. F... You Google.

I'll also try it. But not sure I will order on day one. I also have my older system (won't sell it on the used market before I see the new is better for my hobby). It will be exciting to see if anyone who prefer buy used is scared away by Intel's issues and instead go with the new one. We'll see. I won't sell the old if there is a shameful bid. Then I rather use it myself.