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I could svap out my PSU with my son's AX1500i Digital ATX Power Supply — 1500 Watt But then I have to pay for two 12VHPWR cables, wait on them, and get less power headroom than with dual PSU system. Choices, but I think dual PSU fits my needs better.

I think the old card can drag up to 400W in bench. And I want headroom from the PSU. Hence 600w. I don't bother with efficency standard Gold, purple or yeallow but don't want a PSU that have to use +70% to power only the old GPU's. Then you have the PSU form factor... SFX is in smaller design and intended often for weak and flimsy hardware. You need to go up on wattage. I would never trust 500w PSU in a small design delivering 400W stable power. They are often made for weak HW that don't max out the PSU. I already have the needed dual 16-pin cables from Be Quiet. And its +1500w Platinum and very good quality product. Have even more spare power than 1600W Evga.

Yep. I know that. And I intended to do so and use the 6-pin on the MB for etc having the 4090 connected. No question on that. But as I said... If I take out the 4090 and put in old cards with dual 8-pin I need to steal the 6-pin connector from the MB to power the old GPUs. That may work. But the very best would be a 600W SFX PSU. Rather this option than swap out my main PSU with another one with dual 12VHPWR connector. I will have more PCIe cables this way and have huge power headroom to power up much more in my pc. And I don't want pay an arm and a leg for a SFX PSU. But it has to be quality. Failing PSU's tend to drag with the whole pc if it kneels/die. Not expensive and not too cheap. And with proper Amp for each PCIe connector from the PSU. Again thanks bro Fox.

The Be Quiet have 10X8-pin connectors divided by 5 PSU connectors. And I need 4 of them for the dual 12VHPWR connector for the HOF. Every PCIe line is rated 45A. So overkill. But the Be quiet 12VHPWR cable need two connectors connected to the PSU side. And 2x2 connectors on PSU side is 4 for the HOF's dual nvidia connectors. And I have only one 2x8-Pin connector left. This is too little remaining connctors if I want to take out the 4090 for benching the old. I won't take in and out the small Nvidia cables from PSU for the 4090. If I use 6-pin connector for the MB, then I will lack PCIe connectors for the old graphics (Need 2x8-pin for that). Se also my second question... Thanks. This means the Asus card is priced equal in US as here home if I remove the added Norwegian tax and exchange fees.

Thanks. Yep, I only wanted the Strix of all nowadays new GPUs. And I would never even buy anything else. Only luck that I saw the HOF. Still on the table. I need do some changes. And I don't like the way Be Quiet put the connectors. For single 16-pin 12VHPWR thats not a problem but with dual 16-pin 12VHPWR for the HOF I should have more connectors for my hobby with older cards. The Dark Pro is a fantastic PSU but now I'm limited the way I want my setup to work. See pict and you undetstand. The PCIe connectors is rated 45A so near 500W (one PSU connector contain dual 8-pin). Aka 10x 8-Pin but with this layout I will be missing PCIe connectors. Have enough right now but I need more 8-pin connectors lying for my older cards. As you can see... This layout eat up all PCIe connectors. No need for 180A for the HOF (4 connectors). But I have to use it this way. I have two choices... Go for a new 1600+ Psu or an SFX psu for my old cards(the box support 2 PSUs). Is there some good advices on what SFX PSU to buy rated +600W I can use for powering my old graphics cards? This is the cheaper way and I will have the benefits have access to +2100W power. Norwegian AC connectors here home is 3600W or 16x230v. Second question... I know you'll need the extra 6-pin connector on the motherboard to power more items connected to the MB. Without it could also make GPU stability problems. But I think more for only benching old cards and without having much connected to the MB. All strong fans is powered by the PSU and not to the MB (only rpm signals). Edit. The MB fan headers is rated for 11A or 130W from MB. I don't use that power headroom. Regarding the US price... Dang! Without the Norwecian taxes and the added exange currency I now pay less for the 4090 Asus than many other countries included US and you. Thats not normal bro Fox. Not at all.. This means parts is well above overpriced right now. Not the normal. Not here or other places. What is normal Strix OC price (MSRP) in US?

Congrats bro Fox. I waited 3.5 months and gave up on getting the Strixs OC. And the Strix was nr 1 on my list of 4090 I wanted. I’m posting from my phone. But is that price correct? Or does this $2,395 pricepoint include 25% Norwegian tax if I ordered it from US Newegg? Or is this the price you have to pay in US? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Included 25% Tax here home.... From the shop that I had the chance to buy from. This below is the price I had to pay for the Strix without Norwegian Greed here home from the shop... So it seems the shop here didn't over-charge for the Asus card here home. They normally add extra $$$ in the final price due currency exchange. Often 5-10% on top. Could be the price is in short cheaper if the shop has added in the currency exchange. Then I expect well below 2000$ here home. That’s a steal because this pricing isn’t the norm here. The usual is 30-33% on top including everything above US prices. Edit. Seems you got it at around $2000. Around same price we have to pay without the 25% tax.

They could offer processors without the lid (delidded) but with a small frame arond the die to stop crushing it from wrong mounting/too high pressure. Not difficult if they wanted go the bare die route (same as BGA chips). Btw. Intel know AMD's graphics cards in and out better than AMDs own engineers, LOOL New needed AMD Radeon drivers out. AMD couln't let Intel run the show, HeHe Fixed issues... Situational performance drop may be observed in DirectX® 11 based games on Radeon™ RX 6000 series GPUs using Ryzen™ processors South Korean overclocker, SAFEDISK, has managed to overclock the Xeon W9-3495X to 5.22 GHz using LN2 and broken both the Cinebench R23 and Geekbench 3 Multi-core world record. The feat was achieved on the ASUS PRO WS W790E-SAGE SE motherboard with 128 GB of G.SKILL's latest Trident Z5 memory running at 6333 Mbps. You can find the HWBOT listing here.

Not only the only reasons. There hare many, but going with all P-cores they had to reduce Boost clocks for all cores load. Then You'll need minimum 12 P-cores to replace the hybrid baby core mess. But bigger die's would help a lot on the heat dissipation from the Cpu die over to the cold plate. And that bigger die cost money. And Intel want go the wrong route for the consumers... Very small compute die and loads of die's for the rest of the chips package. And we know how this work out for AMD. The small ccx chips run 95C with 33% less power consumption than an Intel chips on 10nm (known as Intel 7). The next gen glued together Hybrid mess from Intel. 1 is the compute die. Edit. https://www.pcgamer.com/the-intel-meteor-lake-explainer-allow-me-to-clear-up-any-confusion/ The beauty with AMD products... No need for bling bling and RGB fans😁 Wild Hearts devs fix the hellish RX 7900 XTX 'disco lights' headache The new patch also undoes the 'unintentional' high-end CPU frame caps, along with fixes for a bunch of other issues. AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX(opens in new tab) users will be pleased to hear they'll no longer have to deal with the fit-inducing 'disco lights' effect(opens in new tab) Yep, darn disgusting. And Tomshardware go same way... At least for Dell Alienware products.

Only $10.000+ for the platform. That's cheap. The bench elite (the chosen one) will get everything needed for free. 500w and 60C with an aircooler is only possible due the huge die size. The die on mainstream chips is all too small hence you will see 100C with an stock 13900K with same air cooler setup (+-300w). Intel should stop making mainstram desktop chips from mobile trash silicon. Give us real P-cores and not this hybrid baby core mess meant for phones/tablets and Jokebooks. Back to awful... This awful article below from Pcworld's editor is darn retarded/perverse and in short pure stupidity on high level. Pcworld have a lot readers and if the editor at Pcworld are fine with disgusting prices... Then expect the people (Pcworld's audience) will throw away their hard earned money for overpriced products. Look at this write down from Pcworld.... The price is right(ish)🤢 Same as say run and buy. A defense of the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti by a 1440p gamer pcworld.com Yes, the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti is overpriced. But it's still an excellent GPU.

Not much have changed since Intel, Nvidia and laptop manufacurers went with full BGA. This year it will be 10 years since Dell Alienware went totally retarded. The AW models from 2014 ws only re-hashed 2013 model. Oh'well. Nothing beat upgradeability. Just put in some old and here we go 🙂 Or buy the newest and it will work equal well. The nice with the old.. You can use almost whatever OS you want from Redmond. https://hwbot.org/submission/5209015_papusan_3dmark2001_se_geforce_gtx_580_188357_marks?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5208884_papusan_3dmark05_geforce_gtx_580_85385_marks https://hwbot.org/submission/5209055_papusan_3dmark06_geforce_gtx_580_56697_marks?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5208900_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_580_581528_marks?recalculate=true Are you ready to throw away $500 on a SATA SSD Cable?😱 Yep we are still in Feb and not 1th April. $500 Audiophile SATA SSD Cable With Superstar Crystals Listed published about 17 hours ago Claimed to be the “best computer Hi-Fi cable ever built.”

Getting overpriced garbage is a hell lot worse than getting overpriced awesome. Paying top dollars for the new 4090 scam (laptops) is awful. You get the worst from both worlds. If you jump on the higher tier ADA laptops you’ are in short scammed.

The ugly truth. Greed<<! Btw. Nvidia and Gigabyte released mobile trash! Laptops got it double up. Awful performance paired with awful prices. What a disgusting combo. Graphics Card Prices Doubled on Average Between 2020 and 2023: Mindfactory Data Mindfactory.de is hardly the largest tech retailer out there, but it's renowned for putting out its sales figures in public that provide sharp market insights. The latest of these concerns graphics card average selling price (ASP). The store notes that graphics card ASPs have doubled in a span of just 3 years, which marks an unnatural deviation from inflation, and cannot adequately be explained by rising chip costs due to Moore's Law either buckling or losing relevance. While Intel is a firm believer in Moore's Law, and to a smaller extent so is AMD (which disaggregated its CPUs and GPUs to continue shipping cutting-edge products at lower costs); NVIDIA considers Moore's Law dead, and thinks it needs to keep bigger and bigger GPUs to offer generational performance uplifts. The store notes that as on February 2020, the AMD Radeon graphics card ASP stood at 295.25€, with the store having made 442,870€ in sales. For NVIDIA GeForce graphics cards, the ASP figure stood at 426.59€, and total sales at 855,305€. As of Feb 2020, AMD lacked high-end products (this was before the RDNA2 comeback), and so the NVIDIA ASP is higher. Fast forward to February 2023, and we see a doubling in the ASPs. For AMD Radeon graphics cards, this stands at 600.03€, with €1.02 million in sales; and for NVIDIA GeForce, the ASP is at 825.20€, with €1.84 million in sales.

For desktop cards we will see prices going down. NEWS AMD Radeon RX 7900 and NVIDIA GeForce 40 GPUs are slowly getting cheaper in Europe They could just do that with the 4080 Mobile. No need to introduce new SKU. But add in 4090 into the GPU stack was meant to increase ASP. And higher SKU numbers will boost more sales... So

Nice start with 4070 Mobile. Now you'll may see what to expect from 4060 laptops. What a failure. And what a money grab. Gigabyte Aorus 15X Review: Brawny Raptor Lake, Laggard RTX 4070 Graphics performance fails to impress. Conclution... It seems like for every step forward; the laptop also took a step backward. What did the review editor expect? He failed to see that nvidia don't want avesome for laptops. No profits in that. They want that you upgrade every year. Small increments in performance for each new gen is to be expected. And the laptop manufacturers hail that.

Probably smart. Cheaper as well. And it seems AMD still struggle with the well known USB drop outs even on their new and shiny platform. Can't match/beat that bro @Mr. Fox 🙂 As he said in the conclution.... Want a stable system... Go with Intel. I Tried Going All AMD For A Month… Not exactly smiling on the front page. Quite ok result with the old GTX580 in Aquamark🙂 https://hwbot.org/submission/5208124_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_580_576506_marks

Not entirely. Back in the days with 5800X3D you had only one X3D Sku. Now you have 3 of them and the more expensive big fat boy (7950X3D) run slower than the cheaper X3D SKU if rumors is correct. Hence pay more get less🤮 https://hwbot.org/submission/5208074_papusan_unigine_heaven___xtreme_geforce_gtx_570_1779.99_dx11_marks?recalculate=true

Pay more get less. Is this the correct way to spell it for the new and modern? Or should we change it and instead say Pay less get more with the 7000 series X3D chips?😀 The Red Team gamer-boy spent all his money on 7950X3D. Then he saw that AMD gave more love to the cheaper X3D gamer SKUs... Ryzen 7950X3D May Run Slower Than 7800X3D, Reviews Rumored for Feb 27th tomshardware.com But there is a catch about the top-of-the-line Ryzen 9 7950X3D processor: the clocks of its core complex die (CCD) equipped with 3D V-Cache could be lower than those of the less-expensive Ryzen 7 7800X3D, according to @9950pro.

And for how long? Microsoft want that you buy new HW and new Win 11 license. Next change may come in the registry. Remove all remnants in newer Win 11 builds to stop this tweak from happening. That's cute. Remember all Microsoft think about is to help you all "boost your pc's security" (sarcasm).

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This is nothing new. They just can't make it right. Microsoft confirms Windows 11 driver updates are failing with 0x80070103 windowslatest.com - February 17, 2023 According to several reports across the Microsoft forum and Feedback Hub, a new Windows 11 update mess is causing drivers to fail with 0x80070103. Microsoft has confirmed it's aware of reports, One frustrated user posted to the Feedback Hub: “All channels…Dev…Beta…Release Preview is throwing this error at me. Come on, Microsoft don’t you have quality control checks before you release stuff? Looks like you’ve messed up quite a few systems with this error!.”

I'm more hanged up in the body😀 Maybe the gamers should go back to the consoles? They will save loads of money as well. Mama and papa will be damn happy😀 PC gamers are getting fed up with one crappy port after another pcgamers.com published 1 day ago Everything comes to PC now, but it sure feels like there's something wrong with practically every major release. https://hwbot.org/submission/5206097_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_gtx_570_37023_marks/ https://hwbot.org/submission/5206147_papusan_3dmark11___performance_geforce_gtx_570_8581_marks?recalculate=true Edit. A very interesting video... This one is also interesting. Almost as Der8auer say their high end paste as Kryonaut don't have long time stability. Well known that Kryonaut thermal paste won't last long. From 7:59

And it gets better… What a massive upgrade over previous gen xx70 mobile. Why waste money on this? Mechrevo claims GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU is only 11% to 15% faster than RTX 3070 https://videocardz.com/newz/mechrevo-claims-geforce-rtx-4070-laptop-gpu-is-only-11-to-15-faster-than-rtx-3070

I know you can't get full desktop performance from laptops nowadays. Hence they need to go back to the old SKU naming. Max-Q fits well or justuse M for mobile as in the older days. And name the SKU correct. If the chips is a 4080 die then name it correct as 4080 Max-Q and not 4090 🙂 Can't be that difficult... Or can it?😎

That's a steal? I don't think so. Even $2850 is all too much. All 4090 mobile is castrated in one or another way. But why pay +40% premium for slightly less crippled performance? You could buy a decent desktop pc for the money in between those options(1300$+). Or just save the money/lower your credit card debt. The best would still be to stay far away from the laptop models. None of these models is meant for 4K gaming anyway. The most crippled 4090 model should manage 1440P without much drawback vs the less crippled for +4000$. And same for 1080P gaming. See also Eluktronics Mech-16 GP and Mech-17 GP2 are the first GeForce RTX 4090 laptops to retail for under US$3000 Max-P 175W. They should instead use Max-Q 175W or just brand it 4090 mobile. The best would be 4080 Max-Q (+150W) because the laptop card don't perform as a true 4080 desktop card. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Eluktronics-Mech-16-GP-and-Mech-17-GP2-are-the-first-GeForce-RTX-4090-laptops-to-retail-for-under-US-3000.695621.0.html

Fun facts, but what you'll think happens with the Cpu clock speed when Dynamic boost kick in on the other side of the coin and let the 4090 get back it's cooling capacity? The extra cooling headroom from the 150W+ Gpu will clearly help to cool the Cpu in Cpu only tasks. But start streaming (more and more popular), run other tasks in the backround while you gaming ... Probably great fun following the Cpu flutctations (clocks jump up and down as a Yo-Yo) on the screen even if you put an fixed clock ratio. Me when I looking at the cpu clocking up and down as a Yo-Yo due the GPU steal the thermal/power headroom..... Me don't want that. Me prefer own cooling for both Cpu and GPU. And big enough PSU to feed the needed power for both the Cpu and Gpu. Not this Dynamic boost/Speedshift feature meant to cut costs/make laptops as Apple clones.