Talon

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AMD confirms 7900 XTX is 4080 competitor, not 4090. Damn crazy to hear AMD come right out and say they have no answer for the 4090. If it’s competitive the 4080 that will be good for all, and I see Nvidia dropping prices a tad in the near future, at least on the mid range cards since AMD has bowed out of the high end now.

Interesting, maybe I need to go higher then myself.

Nice and thats on a Z690 Hero. I doubt you need that high of VCCSA. Honestly think 1.20-1.25 should be more than enough. Maybe try and lower that?

@tps3443 @johnksss @Mr. Fox Have you tried lowering your CPU VDDQ/IVR TX Voltage/VDDQ TX Voltage. Honestly we need a same naming scheme across brands. For me to get higher A-Die stable clocks/push it hard you need to actually heavily decrease this voltage which is opposite of what you would think. For me 1.18-1.26v is the sweet spot, with mine liking 1.26v for 7800 CL36. With M-Die it was opposite and higher VDDQ TX helped to a point, usually around 1.375v worked for higher than 7000. I think I read somewhere that you should run it 10% below the VDD/VDDQ on the DRAM. So say you're running 1400mV-1435mV for A-Die, that would put you in the ballpark of 1260mV for VDDQ TX. Likewise if you're running higher voltage for M-Die, say 1500-1550mV, again it puts you around 1350-1395mV.

Again, those cables they are packaging are not native 12VHPWR cables, they are cables that are adapted to meet the spec using existing power supplies, so potentially another point of failure if we use the same analogy you used for a CableMod cable. You do realize the CableMod cable is doing exactly the same thing the Corsiar or Seasonic adapted cables are doing, right? The difference is that CableMod decided to go for more redundancy and lighten the load per 8pin cable vs forcing 300w down the cable that is actually SPEC'd for just 150w. https://wccftech.com/atx-3-0-12vhpwr-gen-5-connector-major-safety-risk-using-adapter-confirms-pci-sig/ Obviously we all know the cables can handle far more, but why push it when you can not be cheap and provide a quality cable? Also they know some XOC community will want to push even beyond 600w, and future cards could easily draw beyond that. So again, redundancy and headroom is the way to go. The only PSUs that have native 12VHPWR are ATX 3.0 PSUs which have a 12VHPWR connection on the PSU, they do not use 8pin to the 16 pin.

Congrats!!! I just celebrated 9 years with the wife last month.

The farthest I could push my M-Die (so far) 7800 CL36 with auto timings. Unfortunately not stable. 7200 CL34 just passed 30 minutes stability testing no issues at stock 1.435v. Insane value dimms.

I'm on a DDR5 testing kick lately. Currently testing my TeamGroup 5600 CL46 $90.99 (Amazon) SK Hynix-M at 7200 CL34 1.435 VDD/VDDQ. They booted and ran AIDA at 7600 CL36 but cannot stabilize. Right now running a stab test at 7200 CL34 and looking good. For $182 32gb of these sticks are an phenomenal value play. A-Die is cool and all, but honestly this is going to provide you with 99% of the perf on Z690. Z790 might be better for A-Die. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BC8NHWJZ?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details Edit: Hell even 7800 CL36 is booting on these cheap-0 sticks lol. Runs AIDA64. Loosened the TRFC a bit and set voltage to 1.5v.

Ok so it seems we might be at the limit of Z690 then.

@johnksss @tps3443 What memory clock have you been able to stabilize so far? I can do 7800 CL36 stable, but 8000 won't get stable yet unfortunately. I can post 8400 CL36 but it obviously is not stable. Would love to get at least 8000, maybe 8200 stable. I know it's being greedy but I want to keep pushing.

Nothing about CableMod is sus, they've been making quality cables for years, and many of us here use their cables. All of my cables in my system have been CableMod for years. Also native cables have an actual native 12VHPWR connection on the PSU so wouldn't have 8 pins on the PSU side, otherwise it's not really native by definition. Sure you can get away with a cheap 2x8pin Amazon cable, but why go cheap on something so expensive? Also I like headroom and never cheap out on something like power supplies or their cables. This is a custom cable from their online configurator and I could have choosen 3x8pin, but again why cheap out? I picked 4x8pin for a reason. The only downside was shipment time, took 20 days to get this cable from order to delivery, but the quality is top notch and worth the wait. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 3 X 8-PIN AND 4 X 8-PIN 12VHPWR CABLES? Both the 3 x 8-pin and the 4 x 8-pin versions of our 12VHPWR will work with the new NVIDIA 40 Series GPUs, provided your PSU meets or exceeds the minimum wattage requirements. The reason we offer both of these is for users who want extra redundancy for the power being supplied to their GPU. DON’T PCI-E PORTS ONLY PROVIDE UP TO 150W PER PORT? HOW IS IT THAT A 3 X 8-PIN CABLE CAN BE SUFFICIENT TO POWER GPUS THAT REQUIRE UP TO 600W AT PEAK? In truth, an 8-pin PCI-e port on modern PSUs can supply over 300W of power each (up to 342W, depending on model). Thus, two 8-pin PCI-e ports are more than enough to provide the required 600W. We provide both 3 x 8-pin and 4 x 8-pin versions of this cable for extra redundancy. **Please note that all 8 Pin PCI-e plugs need to be plugged in for the cable to function properly. If you order a 3 x 8-Pin or 4 x 8-Pin to 16-Pin, make sure that all of the 8-pin connectors are connected correctly to your PSU.** https://overclock3d.net/reviews/power_supply/cablemod_12vhpwr_custom_cable_overview/1

Exactly this. Which is why I said at a $1300 would be my lowest price for the chip. Plenty of extreme OC players will gladly pay that and more.

Finally showed up direct from China. No more need to use Nvidia's cable. There have been 0 reports of actual ATX 3.0 or 3rd party cable issues. Only the Nvidia adapter so I can rest easy with this since these are quality cables.

If the chip is really that good, I'd say $1200-1300 is a fair offer. It really comes down to how many do you have to buy to get something similar in quality and from what I've seen you do have a pretty golden chip. I would ask for $1300, and have to be happy with just getting an average K or KF chip, not that that is a bad thing. Honestly these chips even at stock settings are so blazing fast that pushing for the last 2-300mhz for most just isn't worth it. For overclocking fun there is value, but for a daily/gaming rig it just isn't. Look at it this way, you could buy another chip and set the cash aside for next gen or put it towards a new GPU and fire extinguisher.

Currently working on 7800 CL36, basically XMP so shit timings. But damn for mostly plug and play this is not too shabby and crazy bandwidth. Going to try 8000 next. Edit: Both 7800 and 8000 work at 1.435v DRAM VDDQ/VDD, incredible. Unfortunately only 7800 will get long term stable so far. Ok I think I may love the Dark again. Holy hell. 8000 CL36 easy. Well It seems 8200 CL36 wants to have a go too. Not sure where it's going to stop just yet. I really need to go to bed. 8200 CL36 takes 1.455v VDD/VDDQ minimum as 8000 CL36 took that to run MSFS 2020 stable. So likely higher for gaming stability, etc.

I have the T-Force 7200s in my Hero living room PC. I wanted to replace my A-Die Green PCBs that were annoying me with no accurate voltage since it's PCMI unlock isn't precise it seems. So far so good at XMP I 1.4v. I'll let you know how far they go.

Picked up some 7600 CL36 GSkills on the way home. MC in Chicago had them in stock the other morning so I reserved them. Testing them now at 7600 CL36 on the Dark. XMP I booted right up. I'll see how tight/high I can get them to go later.

12th gen laptop CPUs outside of the HK or HX are 100% locked down. No overclocking, no voltage control at all.

See if you can get the 4090 FTW3 Prototype. 😎

I backed my sticks down to 7200 on my Hero, mostly so I could keep voltages down. I like 1.3v max for IMC, unfortunately on most CPUs that does mean lower stable memory clocks. 7200 runs great though. My Dark Z690 is honestly more trouble than my Hero board with high memory OC. I don’t get it. Asus worked some magic in recent bios that allows for much higher memory OC on a 4x dimm board. Also I saw that those 7600 sticks were in stock at a few MC this morning but I’m debating still if I really want more DDR5 laying around

Nice job! These chips are crazy, still a decent amount of tweaking left in the thank for those that go looking for it. Seems the bend might not be the issue, but rather the failure of the user to fully seat the cable.

1.4v both in bios. I haven’t tested lower but 1.15v VCCSA and 1.3v vdd/IMC. Again at BIOS, as actual is a bit lower. Wow some can’t even boot 4266. That’s crazy good IMC then.

From what I'm hearing IMC is still a crap shoot at least with DDR4, some getting an extra bin or +133mhz over previous DDR4 stable. 4133 Gear 1 would be pretty monster though, 4266 likely a golden chip?

Those are actually really strong P cores. Edit: Test it and let us know! I expect since you're using high end water cooling it should go pretty far on those P cores.