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For sure it will be close. But keep in mind AMD used 6000 CL30 DDR5 with EXPO timings for their Zen 4 gaming performance demo. Intel used 5600 CL28 for 13th Gen and 3200 CL14 for AMD Zen 3 and 3D. So Intel used their maximum “supported” memory while AMD used an overclock because they only officially support 5200. https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/performance/benchmarks/desktop/ As I’ve shown even my 12th Gen can push far higher memory clocks. 13th Gen and Z790 will only extend that lead. While AMD sweet spot is what they demoed with.

13900% coverage in honor of the new 13900K 7400MTs CL32 stable 🤯 Moving on to 7600 CL32 -- A quick test. This A-Die is crazy stuff now that I'm dialing it in and using the newer BIOS.

Preorders LIVE!! Ships Oct. 20!

Intel Event Live Now -- actually a live event again. I am so sick of the pre recorded cold "events". https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/events/on-event-series/innovation.html?cid=sem&source=sa360&campid=2022_q3_cbu_us_gmocoma_gmoetii_traf_text-link_brand_phrase_cd_intel-innovation_3500062592_google_b2b_oos_non-pbm_intel&ad_group=brand_event_na&intel_term=Intel+innovation+2022&sa360id=43700072954822513&gclid=CjwKCAjwvsqZBhAlEiwAqAHElfbq_AjbkCR7Me8OZaVW5b-NeZnvfiW-6deD4z3D6Fq-WI2kJk8kgxoCmksQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

To be fair, Intel set the date and so did AMD, then AMD changed their review date embargos 2x for BIOS issues. I'm willing to bet it was more than likely some bios issues, but also some not wanting to give Intel all the data they need for an AM5 comparison for their launch presentation. All of these companies and their games. Latest Dark BIOS seems to have brought some stability to A-Die chips. Just finished up a few rounds of BF2042 at 7400 CL32 and now doing a longer stress test, will let it run for an hour or so and check for stability issues. Then back to gaming and regular use. Next stop 7600 CL32 lol.

Announcement is today at 9am PDT. Street date is supposed to be Oct 20, but I am thinking it's possible Intel is pulling that date up a bit. Or allowing preorders to begin today.

Sitting at around 113K Read, 103 Write and 102 Copy. 53ns. This is stock manual speed and primary timings set. I just updated the BIOS and lost my old profiles. I grabbed them from Splave and right now I'm questioning the value over a good cheap M-Die kit that can hit 7000 CL32. I think EVGA needs to update their BIOS to fully support A-Die because I'm having trouble getting anywhere near the 8000 CL32 booting he quoted me. I am testing 7400 CL32 at 1.5v VDD/1.4VDDQ at the moment but not stable yet. 13th Gen Raptor Lake already listed on Newegg https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i9-13900k-core-i9-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118412?Description=13900k&cm_re=13900k-_-19-118-412-_-Product https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-13700k-core-i7-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118414?Description=13700k&cm_re=13700k-_-19-118-414-_-Product https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-13600k-core-i5-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118416?Description=13600k&cm_re=13600k-_-19-118-416-_-Product Well it was a good run Zen 4, it was a good run...

SK Hynix A-Die 🤠 7200 CL32 @ 1.4v VDD/ 1.34v VDDQ. Just testing a bit now, just got home from a trip so 4 days to test/tune it. My previous M-Die could not do 7200 stable at all after testing 3x kits. 7000 is where they seemed to top out and usually required 1.55v BIOS to achieve. Really excited to see Raptor Lake launch today/tomorrow and hopefully even better IMCs.

I'm excited and annoyed at the same time with this launch. The prices are pretty crazy considering the market were in post crypto and free money boom. At the same time I paid more for both my 3090 KPE and 3090 Ti FTW3. I expect though that means my AIB card will be more expensive and unfortunately now I can't go with EVGA. I really want an answer on what Nvidia plans to do with DLSS 2.0 supported cards now that it seems 3.0 is 40 series exclusive as I use DLSS 2.0 whenever supported. If they pull some shit like ending 2.0 and therefore 20/30 series cards support going forward in new games, I am going to heavily look towards AMD because that is a total dick move and a carpet pull for sure. If I grab a card at launch it will be a 4090 Strix or similar model.

This really tarnishes Nvidia for me. When I think Nvidia, I think EVGA. I’ve owned so many EVGA cards over the years going all the way back to a 6600 GT and GS. I really don’t know what to think at this point as I was looking forward to their new designs for a 40 series. I guess I’ll wait and see what Asus brings to market but their quality and support isn’t even close. EVGA communicates directly with the community on issues. This really sucks.

Good stuff! I am hoping that once I get my green PCB A-Die or whatever I end up getting I can really push D5. I saw a screenshot today with 6600 Team Group A-Die that was at 7600 on a Z790 4 Dimm Hero board with a 13900K. I think I finally stabilized 7000 CL32. Looking like all I needed was to increase my VCCSA a tad to a +90mV offset. Just passed 5000% and no issues.

https://twitter.com/JohnOspanov/status/1569233547218812928?s=20&t=QXvb2Ta35DNHRcqS1GYgUw While I suppose there is always a chance, I am going to listen to the guy that is there talking to Intel directly at an event. Until Intel announces anything, it's all rumor.

Looks like you've got some great performance, bit more tuned than me for sure. This is what I get with the stability test I did earlier today. Once it hit 5000% I went and gamed and had no issues. I'll try and get CR1 and try and tune it down later or tomorrow. I want the A-Die for Sub 50ns end-game.

Good stuff thanks! Will try this out. Currently testing 6933 CL32 2T for stability on the Renegades. They run about 5c cooler with more voltage than the Trident sticks. I like to see around 3000-4000%. coverage before I go play some games. I've had it pass 10000K before and CTD randomly. Usually if it passes 3-4K and then a few hours of gaming I'm good to go from my experience. Y-Cruncher 2.5b or Geekbench 5 are also pretty good at finding memory instability fast. The PMIC Turbo option seemingly might be the key that I had no tried to go further. Might have to go back and try the G.Skill sticks again later. For now I think I'll push up to 7K and keep messing with the PMIC turbo options to see if it continues to help.

I don't think those are "A-Die" SK Hynix. A die have an "A" in the middle of the part # instead of the M. They're also 5600MTs 1.1v instead of 4800MTs 1.1v This Dark board is incredible for memory OC. I just passed 4000% coverage at 6800 CL32 2T. Now testing 1T and it's having no issues either. WOW. This board has me excited for 13900K 6Ghz and crazy memory speeds. ADL memory controller is just OK, but rumor is RPL is improved quite a bit and A Die is going to push the limits even further. AMD being stuck at 6000MTs max for "sweet spot" is very sucky indeed.

Hit me with that link brother. I also grabbed some EK Monarchs to cool them. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ANJRKPQ?psc=1&smid=A3GO5VFCNOM5I7&ref_=chk_typ_imgToDp

Thanks! I discovered the Extreme Voltage mode to unlock the PMIC limit. Works a treat on my G.Skill Z5 6400 CL32 kit, still have to test my Renegades that have a different PMIC brand. Hoping the Renegades OC further, I am guessing they will because they actually cool the PMIC with a thermal pad unlock the idiots at G.Skill. Do you know what the VSA and VCCIO voltages are in HWInfo? I am seeing them at 1.8v and hoping that isn't system agent voltage. Currently testing 6800 CL32 at 1.47v on my G.Skill kit. 😃 7000 CL32 boots, but errors almost immediately into a test. Good enough for a latency test but not much else. Of course that was at 1.435v which clearly isn't going to cut it. I am in line for an "A Die" kit from Splave over at HWbot. He ran out this week but let me reserve some that he is getting in next week. They should pair nicely with this board. He is claiming minimum 7600 CL32 1.55v which is crazy and exciting for DDR5 overclocking. https://community.hwbot.org/topic/219454-fs-binned-ddr5-a-die-hynix/ The sale thread if anyone is interested.

Thanks, just got it mostly setup. I updated the BIOS to the latest that supports PMIC unlock for Renasis PMIC type. Out of box BIOS was kinda meh. I am so used to Asus, is there really no fan curve option in the BIOS? The constant percentage or SMART thing has to be a joke. Latest BIOS seems to have cache broken and locked at 3.6Ghz which is weird, thankfully I can bypass this with ELEET software. Latest BIOS also trying to kill my 12900KS LOL. The voltage it puts through the chip is ridiculous and completely unnecessary. Even my Asus board didn't even get close to the pull this thing was trying. I am currently at -180mV and -25 vdroop to get back to normal CPU package and temps for same perf. On Asus I used LLC4 and -70mV. Different, but it's just stupid to put that much voltage through the chip at stock settings, no wonder reviewers complain about temps, power, etc. The board variances are crazy. Memory OC looks promising though! Excited to do some testing now.

Decided to go Z690 Dark. I hope the 2x dimm board lets me push DDR5 a bit further than my 4x Hero. I wanted an Apex, but this gen Apex seemingly was a fail and it's not been sold outside of scalper prices since near launch. I doubt Z790 is going to bring much and the sale was a good deal for a high end board. I should have some "A-Die" in a couple weeks so I can really get some high clocking DDR5.

Yes they will. The refined 10nm that allows for high clocks like AMD and the cache improvements. https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/16997007 This is my terrible 12600K at 5ghz/3.9ghz E cores. Destroys the 7600x in multi and not terribly far behind in single. A 13600K with much higher clocks and double E cores is not even going to be close for AMD at the price points. Edit: Update my score.

@Mr. Fox How is the Dark Z690? I haven't pulled the trigger yet but I'm tempted to grab it while it's still on a good sale. I don't want to pay full price for a Z790 unless some substantial gains are to be had in the memory OC department or some other features. Wish we had more details about Z790. If anyone is looking for decently priced SK Hynix DDR5 6400 CL32 kit, I got these a couple days ago and having no issues running them on a 4 dimm Asrock board with a crappy IMC 12600K at XMP. These should also work great on upcoming AM5 boards. https://shop.kingston.com/products/renegade-silver-ddr5-desktop-memory?variant=43012518117568 I grabbed them for $237 and free shipping after a 10% discount code. WELCOME10 gave me 10% off on the order. Best price I've seen on 6400 CL32 SK Hynix kit unless you need RGBs. They have those too for like $10 more.

Unless of course Intel themselves do a 3D stack. Intel is going chiplets with Meteor Lake, they have shown 3D stacking tech in the past, so I doubt there is anything stopping them from being able to do the same exact thing.