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*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Even the 7700X can't deliver a real beating to the 12600K. It's faster, but not by anything to write home about. And that is last gen and the 7600X will face off against a 13600K within 2 weeks of AMD launch. 13600K is going to be 6 + 8 and there is no amount of IPC increase AMD can do to beat that. Add in the higher clocks, cache improvements, IMC improvements and AMD won't be able to compete at low-mid end is my guess. -
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Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Definitely a huge win for consumers. Even in times of inflation, lower margins due to 5nm price, AMD knows they had to drop prices to remain competitive at the top end. Curious why they didn't drop low and mid range to really remain competitive where I think Intel is going to smack AMD around a bit. $299 for a 6 core in 2022 is just bad. -
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Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
I am so tempted by that sale. I really want a 2x memory slot board and this is easily the KINGPIN board to get this gen. Will be ready for some nice Raptor Lake clocks. They are looking mighty tasty at over 6Ghz under chillers. -
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Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/29737701 Picked up a couple hundred more points. Thinking the i3 is holding it back from snagging performing at peak. Might slap it in the 12900KS rig later and pushed it even harder. This run was actually undervolted to 1125mV from stock 1200mV. So definitely room to tweak and figure out how to extract max perf still. -
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Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Nice! I had a 980 Ti FTW right at the beginning of COVID, and I sold it after cleaning it all up. I wish I had it back for fun and nostalgia. What is the ASIC quality on that beast? Picked up a decently priced 6750 XT for the old Spare Parts rig. Honestly not bad and been having more fun tuning this card via MorePowerTool. Haven't used an AMD card in quite some time and I haven't had any issues with anything so far. https://www.3dmark.com/spy/29734518 Took a few nights of coffee, but I finally got MorePowerTool version to let me create a registry file with version 1.3.8 Final. For whatever reason PowerColor cards don't all seem to be supported and 6750 XT is locked down, but I found a workaround that worked. Can finally bypass their shit 253w limit and pull MOAAARRR POWER. This run was at 316w, and still hit the limit on power so I need to up my limit I set. -
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Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
After building a few rigs recently, I have come to the conclusion that I have far too much spare hardware sitting around. I am wondering when the wife is going to question why I need 3 computers AND a BGA laptop. 😛 -
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Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Given that this is the first real stab at Intel dGPU mainstream/consumer GPU, I will reserve judgement and give them time to wrinkle things out. Jumping to conclusions based on early Chinese GPU companies that can't even spell "Unknown" correctly isn't something I'm willing to do. I remember when DLSS first came out, it wasn't great, it was blurry and people generally shat all over it. Looking back, all those videos telling Nvidia to give up or move on are hilarious now. I watched a video recently with Tom and Gamers Nexus on Arc and Intel has some interesting ideas. I'm more excited about seeing Intel leaving voltage and power limits available for overclocking. Overclocking on Nvidia today sucks! No voltage control, no fun. Have you seen how much overclocking can do for these new Intel GPUs? It looks like fun to tune/push and it's not even out yet. I expect a lot of improvements from them over time. -
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Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
@Mr. Fox Do you not have the "Special PMIC Unlock" option in the BIOS to bypass the 1.435v limit on locked PMICs? Sorry to hear about your bad luck with the memory. -
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Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
https://ibb.co/304QxnL More Non-K overclocking. This time for my new living room PC I just built out of my pile of spare/old parts and a few new. My free RTX 3070 courtesy of the EVGA Buck program ending needed a new home, and the market is flooded with GPUs I figured I'd just keep it and build another rig. -
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Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
I've had my 1600w T2 from EVGA for a couple years now when I got it as a bundle/coupon offer with a GPU for like $180 or something. Insane value for a such an amazing PSU. I got my email for the KPE 3090 Ti, but I decided to skip this one. My FTW3 3090 Ti is a powerhouse, I don't overclock much right now, and 4000 series is on the the very near horizon. Hell I'm not even sure I need a 40 series card since 3090s are already so powerful for all resolutions outside of 4K or 8K gaming. I'll likely grab one just to mess around with it, but for gaming I can't see it being necessary for me. -
You can likely run a higher TDP vBIOS, what is your current vBIOS power? Does your laptop have a MUX, G-Sync or Advanced Optimus? What is the power supply wattage?
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Somewhere in the 10,000 range. Don't remember anymore since I have a 140w vBIOS on my 3070 and it does around 11.3K GPU. Also runs icy cold with my Honeywell PTM 7950 thermal pads on CPU/GPU die.
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Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Unfortunately I can't remember what I was able to push on that chip and not home to see if I have old screenshots. UncleWebb has provided us with another fix for crap software. I also recently noticed how many resources Windows Defender was tying up and thought it odd. https://www.techpowerup.com/295877/windows-defender-can-significantly-impact-intel-cpu-performance-we-have-the-fix -
Lower memory latency and overall better memory performance. Higher FPS in CPU limited situations, games like Warzone, Battlefield, Valorant all will benefit.
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Finally figured out how to make changes to the BIOS on my Omen 16 with 11800H/3070. I can finally use Gear 1 with 3200Mhz and CL17 tuned timings. 😀
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Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
What I love is the tech tubers eating up and promoting AMD as the company that supports their sockets for extended periods of time blah blah blah. While it is true they now do support all of the Zen chips across the socket this was not always the case and wasn't without massive public outcry and pressure, especially from the tech tubers to get it done. AMD attempted to dump Zen2 support on B450/X370 and only after pushback did they allow support. Then they completely dumped X370/B450 support for Zen3 for a year, and only after sales slumped due to Alder Lake being a success did they decide to backtrack on that and released BIOS updates to support it. AMD isn't a white knight, they're no different than any other company out to maximize profits and drive up share prices. Supporting a CPU family for 2-3 generations vs 2 isn't really that remarkable for most people. Getting newer boards generally does yield some newer features. It can allow for better compatibility and support without the need or headache of chasing down AGESA versions, figuring out why you're still logging thousands of errors or still having USB disconnects. -
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Just got my new Intel Arc 3 A350M. https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1525083 Destroyed my 3090 Ti score. 😁 -
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Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Looking like RTX 4090 Ti is going to be here sooner rather than later. They've dropped the prices of all the FTW3 cards to exact same price and now previous Ultra FTW3 is price of the KPE. I don't see a point of buying the card this late in the game unless you're a collector of KP cards. -
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Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Next gen I think I'm going full custom water for the CPU, but likely not the GPU since it seems those blocks are a lot less reusable like a CPU block. The Artic cooler was definitely a simple setup and no terrible Corsair software, but the lack of pump control/speed may have been the issue. The rad block was impressive, and may have benefitted from beefier fans to push air through it. -
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Talon replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
After using the Artic 420mm AIO for a month, I have given up on it being better than my previous 280mm Corsair AIO and decided to try out Corsair again and decide on which to send back. I grabbed a Corsair H170i 420mm AIO "Open Box" on Amazon for a significant discount figuring I could send it back if it was truly defective. It arrived this afternoon and it was BRAND NEW. I think someone returned the item after deciding against it. The factory seal had never been broken and all parts inside the box were still factory wrapped and still had the factory thermal material on the cold plate. Unreal deal! I quickly swapped out the coolers, but not before doing some testing pre and post new cooler. The Artic Liquid Freezer for my setup is decidedly worse. Same thermal paste was used. Same ambient temps controlled with AC. Both kits were using their respective LGA 1700 Kit. The Corsair cooler even had it's gamer boy, hello kitty LCD upgrade attachment which can't help temps. The difference is shocking. Artic 420mm AIO - Corsair 420mm AIO - -
I can tell you without shred of doubt that W/mK doesn't mean jack. Those ratings depend on a lot of factors. It may be a thermal putty, but it does not look like a putty when it heats up. It creates this thin greasy layer that has some crazy thermal transfer properties for laptops. There is a reason why Lenovo went with this over liquid metal, or liquid metal pads like the other brands are now using. I've used a LM laptop and I wasn't impressed by the OEM job. I have used LM in the past on delidded CPUs and the results are great, and I've also used it on bare die laptops and it definitely works but not that much better than this stuff for all the mess and risk. LM is better, but I would bet it's not more than a 5c difference. This is after I opened the laptop and didn't bother redoing the PTM stuff. I sort pushed more towards the middle and left it. The temps are still great. That is with a 105w sustained load in a HP Omen 16" jokebook. Before doing this the laptop could barely sustain 75w without thermal throttling near 100c. 105w would have immediately shut down lol. No traditional thermal paste even comes close to this stuff regardless of how many W/mK they put on the label.
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You cut it out to fit die size and lay it on the die like a blanket. It's kinda sticky stuff that sort of melts in your hands if you handle it too long so you need to kinda place it quickly and not fuss around. I have not experienced any pump out effect. My previous experience with LM was that it would get absorbed into the copper heatsink over time and you would need to reapply it eventually. Then there is the risk of spillage, etc. The Honeywell stuff is expensive, but worth it IMO. I bought the 80x80mm pads and you can easily do a laptop CPU/GPU die a few times with that sheet.
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I've been using Honeywell PTM 7950 thermal pads in my laptop on the CPU/GPU for a few months now and the stuff is absolutely incredible. Best temps I've ever had for a laptop outside of using liquid metal, and even then it's better IMO because it doesn't seem to dry out/pump out. I was so impressed with the stuff that I decided to use it on my desktop CPU and that was a huge NO GO. The pad seems to be too thick/mounting pressure isn't sufficient. Or it's almost as if the IHS doesn't let the thermal pad melt properly and acts like a huge insulator. When the pads are used on bare die CPU/GPU it melts and transfers heat like no other. I have not used the paste, but opted for the 0.2mm pads instead. https://www.ebuy7.com/buy/jd/10043742472432 I purchased from this website, not this exact seller but this website. Kinda looked shady but the item arrived in about 10 days. Don't even waste your time with anything else. There is no paste that even comes close to the performance this stuff offers. It's on par with LM with none of the risks.