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Yes almost identical actually. Mine is SP80 with a tad better SP P88 but same exact E74. My ring is 56 I believe but my MC is 62? I can't remember, not home unfortunately. I had almost no time with my new 285K to really tune it, but it booted my existing 265K settings. 265K has better latency on the order of 2-3ns, just because of core count or arrangement. And actually in a quick Cyberpunk 2077 bench, it actually scored about 3-4fps higher on 265K. However, in Hogwarts, the 285K absolutely decimated the 265K, like not even close. I was shocked at the difference in performance and smoothness. So latency ain't all it. I'll be home on Sunday to get a lot more testing in, very interested to see what I can tune this new chip to. @johnksss I ran my 265K at daily of 57, 57, 56, 56, 55, 55, 54, 54 and E cores at 48x. Cache at 41x. D2D at 35x and NGU at 33x. Then 8533 C38 using the built in memory presets for 2x24gb SK Hynix M-Die. But I only need 1.435 VDD VDDQ DRAM and I used auto IMC and SA. This got me around 130K read, write, copy and 63-65ns latency in AIDA. Make sure you updated to latest 24H2 26100.2161 and latest beta BIOS 0092 or 0016 on the Raptor Lake Resources page for the Apex. (Actually it's now been updated by Shamino to 9901 today). He's been making fixes and improvements to latency and issues almost daily it seems. He's a machine. https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/intel-800-series/arrowlake-resources/td-p/1051570

You cannot run on only E cores, check that day 1 lol. Of course I would have loved to do that testing because I love the odd tests. You can run 1P and as many E as you have. I will give Process Lasso another try, but it did not like when I began trying to force games on certain cores the other day. For now, even on my non-cleaned OS, standard 26100.2161 24H2, I've managed to somehow outscore all those with 285K with additional cores and higher clocks in TS CPU test. https://ibb.co/74yS623

Forgot the Cinebench run at same clocks.

I'm actually having a blast juicing this chip. And I have the baby 265K for now. MC had ZERO chips this morning for 285K. I snagged a Newegg and it was packaging, but I decided to wait. I'm not sure what I'm going to do. So far I'm not even mad at the 265K and I know if I get similar 285K silicon to this beast, I might beat out my 14900KS. I just ordered that G.Skill 9600 CUDIMMs on Newegg. They became available and I got an order in, although it's a preorder for Nov 1. https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8473838 -- Beat my 14900KS best result. I'm running 57x to 55x on the P cores, and 51.33x on all E cores. The E cores are absolute units on these chips.

The reviews went about as I expected. The latency at stock is just not it. And I fully expect some windows OS scheduling issues that may eventually get ironed out.

Eh it’s not nearly that dire. I also think some of it can be fixed with microcode and os scheduling updates. Right now if I don’t use high performance profile the CPU will add 20-30ns of latency it’s wild. I expect that is what a lot of these reviewers are doing or not seeing. Yet go back and watch HwU review of Ryzen 1. He purposely used high perf to ensure proper perf. Let’s see if he does this for ARL.

Dielets 💩

I also enjoyed tinkering with the 11th gen so much. Memory OC was key. 8400 C38 with latest BIOS around 66ns. I imagine we can shave this down even more with CUDIMMs. Arrow Lake loses hard in some games, but it eeks out a victory in others from my testing. But it requires you to run high speed DDR5 and overclock the fabric.

Honestly after I got the cancer that is Windows 11 installed properly, I've had absolutely no issues with any of that. No crashing, no consistency issues, nothing. I've finally learned that the latency and fabric clocks are key. But still in many cases the 14900K/KS is just flat out better, at least when compared to the cache limited 265K I'm testing. It doesn't have this latency penalty crap. I think with CUDIMM I might be able to get better perf on 285K in some games while saving power and offer higher multicore. But at what cost. I really hope Bartlett Lake ends up being real. Intel needs to drop a high core count P core only and cache chip for gamers.

I just got sent a new BIOS and it shaved off a decent amount of latency! It had a new MCU and ME update, so they are definitely improving and working on things.

My global SP was 80. P 88 and E 74. I guess that is pretty common from what they're seeing even on 285K with some back and forth messages I had with someone else that likely is in the know.

36K at 190w stock.

LOL yes.

About how I'm feeling right now.

Hey sorry, I was trying to prevent the prying eyes from seeing where it came from. It's not the Ultra 9. I have the Ultra 7 265K for testing. I finally have Windows installed but unfortunately I need the updated BIOS for real testing it seems. This BIOS is quite old from August and is missing latest MC and fixes to other things. Other brands all have their new BIOS online except Asus! Maybe it shows up tomorrow. Windows 11 F'd me and I had to reinstall again. I was having issues with my 4090 posting code 10 and then after driver install, would not boot into Windows without crashing the entire system. Could not safe mode to fix or anything. Would continue to crash. Unreal. A clean install fixed it though thankfully. The new GPU lock no longer has a button. You can simply lift the CPU/rock it and it unlocks, it's wild.

I guess for Z890 were back to white again lol. Building now.

Go time boys.

I wonder if you couldn't use some sort of cover or blanket to keep the resistor warmer. It's interesting this was never fixed or found by Asus during validation. I do think this setup and chip were rushed to market though in response to AMD. I remember the memes about it, still watch the video from time to time lol.

So Intel killed overclocking? You are now limited on voltage with DLVR, cannot exceed a predefined limit in the microcode. If you use DLVR bypass mode, you are limited to 400Mhz unless you're below 10 degrees C. WTF. Nice job guys, you killed this hobby, OC is done.

I think he will still go hard on them and the platform if it's deserving IMO. I got the Z890 Apex in today. I also have the OCF that I snagged at $499 on preorder from Newegg before they jacked the price. Will test both I suppose and keep 1. Seeing all these leaks though, I'm sorta not feeling good. I'm trying to remain excited and hope it's still at least fun to tune and tinker with, but man, what a let down it seems to be rumored to be. I've said it before, who the F is in charge over there? Why do we have a useless NPU on a desktop CPU that will be paired with a huge RTX 4090 or 5090? Why do I need an NPU with a useless 13 tops? I mean the 5800X3D came out like 3 years ago? Why the F didn't Intel say dang, lets up the cache and slap it on hard. I know cache has it's drawbacks and penalties, but it seems to really help with latency prone chiplets/tiles. Nope, Intel said give them a totally useless NPU, that will make all the reviewers blush.

Honestly don't doubt it does, the game looks incredible. I played the closed alpha a couple days ago and damn, I was shocked at how good it looked and ran. Also I know ARL is getting a lot of hate, but I'm still going to try it. Why not. If it sucks, I still have my Z790 Apex and 14900KS to tide me over till something good comes along. Honestly still holding out hope we do eventually see an 12P core Bartlett Lake next year. Power pig delight lol.

I was super curious too. I am curious how high you could overclock the cores, if you reduced some of them, say down to 12-16P cores. You'd still have all that cache too which could be super useful for gaming. 6800 in quad channel would also be epic. https://www.provantage.com/intel-bx807132565x~7ITEP9FM.htm -- Provantage has the boxed version in stock for $1423 The "War Box" lol.

I've had a complete build in my cart before, and again recently when they dropped the "refresh" lol. I can't pull the trigger though, it won't be faster for gaming and consumes a hilarious amount of power lol. It would be hella fun, but I don't have any practical need for such a beast. I was looking at the 2595X with this board. https://www.newegg.com/asrock-w790-ws-extended-atx-intel-w790-lga-4677/p/N82E16813162113

And those are just place holders. This is the real deal price of the new Hero X870E https://www.microcenter.com/product/684468/asus-x870e-rog-crosshair-hero-amd-am5-atx-motherboard#tab-reviews-bm Absolutely stupid.

My only issue with Asrock boards is the lack of features in the BIOS. EVGA was the same way, but I found most of EVGAs menu to have exactly what you needed at the same time. Also they leave their BIOS unlocked and you can easily modify and unhide all menus in literally minutes using online tools. But I still think I'm going to go Asrock Taichi OC Formula if I pick up a Z890. The OCF boards are usually always great and if they can manage godlike DDR5 OC like they have with the Z790i Lightning at a reasonable price they'll have a winner. Asus is just getting too expensive for what they have. Will see on launch day or as it gets closer to launch. Maybe Asus will have some killer new feature with the Apex that I want.