Mr. Fox

Running with -75mV and default power limits I still see 90+ on temps running benchmarks or playing games. I've stopped using mine until I can buy a waterblock for it. If they are overpriced then I will probably sell it. It blows more hot air than I would like and the temps are much higher than I want them to be.

Hey bro. Hope all is well. I do not know if anyone in this thread is an AMD-powered laptop user. There might be one.

Well that's surprising. Get some. I have 5 of them. Be sure to get one with a backlight that stays turned on all the time. The Kill-A-Watt brand sucks because it has no backlight. There are some with a backlight that only turns on temporarily when you press a button. Those suck for the same reason. If you want to get really fancy you can program the cost per kW/h to project the cost of operation, but I don't waste my time with nonsense like that. These are my favorite. Big letters and very clean and legible from across the room, with a backlight that never turns off. It also has an internal battery and remembers what you set it to. No need to reapply all of your settings any time the power goes out or you move it to a new outlet. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09BQNYMMM?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_1&th=1 Prices are a little bit less retarded now. Still unacceptable and hard for me to rationalize a legitmate basis for buying one. If the least expensive models drop below $2000 I may consider buying one. I won't buy a 5090 unless the price is the same or less than what I paid for the Gigabyte 4090 that I sold. Not worth it IMHO. I'm not really benching much anymore and I don't care about having more game FPS than I already have. I find so little free time to devote to gaming that there isn't much incentive to buy one at such over-the-top idiotic prices. Anything less than 5090 that the Green Goblin has to offer is of no interest to me. I might consider the frivolous purchase of a 5080 at 9070 XT pricing. Otherwise, no... the juice isn't worth the squeeze and I'd feel like I was volunteering to get screwed.

Memory latency... AMD > Intel... "Oh how the mighty have fallen..." Until Core Ultra screwed everything up AMD was the suckiest at memory latency. Chiplets/tiles/CCDs suck. The fabric needed to cobble the mess together adds a layer of undesirable crappiness. First AMD then Intel. Monkey see, monkey do.

Yes, it is in my AORUS Master build. It is my best GPU. 4090 Suprim with Core GPU block.

I just watched this video this morning on the same subject. Now they just need to figure out thermals.

Do I smell smoke?

Thanks. That looks very promising. I asked if his was an Alphacool. Would be interesting if Bykski is offering them for a lower price.

I never had any issues at all with power shutdowns or melted GPU connectors using 3x8 or 4x8 pin connectors and I've pulled as much or more power from them than almost anyone running 4090 or 5090 today. One 8-pin certainly would not have worked, but this wasn't a replacement for a single 8-pin connector. Most of the 12VHPWR cables use the same or even a smaller gauge wire and instead of 8 x 3 (24) or 8 x 4 (32) wires you're pushing all the current through 12 smaller wires. So to me that is chintzy. Excessive heat is a self-fulfilling prophecy and we should be surprised at the small miracle that there haven't been more melted connectors than there have been. But, it sure does look cute, with just one dainty little connector. I am still baffled that anyone could think such a connector being used to carry so much current was a bright idea. Downright stupid IMHO. People got their pockets lined off of this scam. I'm sure PSU sales hit new highs. Something new that nobody needed, but they thought they did. Or they were made to believe they did. Newer is always better newer. Sometimes (often) newer is garbage. 12VHPWR connector is garbage.

We have always been anxious about a CPU or GPU hitting 100°C (boiling point) but now we have to worry about these chintzy half-assed 12VHPWR cables even with the CPU and GPU temps totally under control. Thermal whack-a-mole.

AOC probably won't appreciate her lies getting exposed. I hope she doesn't.

If you buy one of the cheapest options you should expect a hit-or-miss experience in the lottery. If you buy a halo product at the most ludicrous price there is no excuse for the quality variance. Like what the hell are you actually paying extra for if there is still a real chance you will end up with an overclocking loser? Super stupid and unacceptable to pay a high premium without reducing or eliminating the game of chance. They should be binning the core and memory of every card and offering a minimum guarantee consistent with the price tag at $3.5K. There should be like maybe a max of 1-2% variance between them when the core and memory are maxed out. Otherwise, it is a foolish purchase unless you can get an immediate no-questions-asked refund. Most people wouldn't tolerate such a quality and performance variance when purchasing other products and it shouldn't be tolerated with high end PC parts. It should never be "good luck, hope you picked a winner" and always "congratulations, you purchased something that can't be beaten and only matched by other owners of the same product" for it to make any sense. NewEgg has lots of "open box" 5090 available for lower (but still too high) prices. That's better than buying an FE model, but they must all be the silicon lottery losers that got sent back within the 30-day return window. Those are all still priced more than I would want to pay for brand new. I am probably not going to buy anything else (GPU or otherwise) until Microcenter opens and I get walk iin with my money and out with a part, return it if it is a piece of crap and get another or get a refund and walk out with my money in realtime.

This would be pretty annoying. Jay has two Astral 5090 and they are different on the PCB and VRM. One overclocks like a dream and the other one (earlier revision) sucks. The older revision also has crappy memory. If you pay this much for a GPU there should not be hardware differances and there should be minimal variance in silicon quality. You should not just "get whatever you get" and have to suck it up and deal with it. That's really messed up. Congratulations to the early adopters that got screwed on the earlier revisions with missing components on the PCB and weaker silicon. Inexcusable. Glad I didn't spend $3.5K on one of these turds. I'm sure I would have ended up with a bottom-feeder sample like I usually do.

What is this? The screenshot looks nothing at all like 3DMark does on my systems. Very strange. Edit: nevermind... crApple M4 LOL 🤣 That explains why it looks so goofy.

He shared with us in this post and I just happened to see it. I often miss posts in threads I visit infrequently, but I was fortunate enough to have seen it. That is how I knew to ask.

I'm super happy to hear that you're doing well brother. While the accident was terribly unfortunate it's good that it happened while you are young and still able to heal quickly. The older you get the more difficult it is to deal with the injury and recovery is slower. The P870 was the last great laptop. No laptop made after it has been worth owning. I can see how having it would have made the downtime the accident caused more tolerable.

I don't like FE video cards and have no plans to purchase one. I didn't like them before and the goofball way the 50 series is designed as separate components is unacceptable to me. The single vBIOS and lockdowns are also issues that give me more reasons to say no. Nice to see you again. How are you doing?

Same. I'd buy a 5090 (non FE) for $2000 as well. It's really surprising how well the 9070 XT performs overall. Far better than I would have imagined. Even at the somewhat inflated price we see it for sale it is still a better value proposition. I like everything about it except for their thermal challenges. The architecture itself seems to be a real flamethrower, and some of the manufacters (most of them) are not seemingly capable of producing high quality thermal solutions for their GPUs.

GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out). AI makes us all dumb because the need for being smart is eliminated. AI is programmed by someone. AI harvests data. Data is often flawed. AI grabs the data, aggregates it and organizes it in the way it is programmed to organize and categorize things. We never question it, or the validity of the data. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Zombies are not real, but people that act like zombies are real. And they are legion.

They named it 5050 because it is only half as good as it should be. The price is good, but everything else is not. 50/50. Or, maybe it is the level of ownership satisfaction. I finally got my refund from Amazon for the disappointing garbage 9950X3D bottomfeeder silicon sample that I returned. Two weeks is a long time to wait on a $750 refund. But, a better way to buy is coming soon. I can hardly wait.

Fluxmaven already grabbed the kit that had the heatsinks removed. They would probably all be gone by now if not for the people that have been (rightfully) terrified of getting scammed by pirates that have hijacked accounts. When I posted my WTB for a golden 9950X within 2 hours some loser had created a new account and PM'd me to email his friend. I Googled the email address and saw proof it was a scam in a couple of other fourms, using the same email. Degenerates like that are a disgrace to humanity. They needs to be hunted down and exterminated.

I am glad to hear you are back home and recovering.

It is a great card. I pulled it because I don't have a block for it and one will not be available until mid to late July at the earliest and it runs absurdly hot. So, I don't know if a block will help it a lot or a little bit. Putting the 6900 XT on a waterblock only slightly improved its hotspot temperatures even though the core and memory junction temperatures were fantastic. The GPU that has a block on it now is the ASUS 3080 Turbo, which is a budget 3080 with a blower on it that does an absolutely horrid job of cooling the GPU. It was absolutely insane and I can't believe ASUS got away with selling them the cooler was so horrible. It made a ton of noise, but the GPU still hit 100°C playing games or running a 3DMark benchmark. It was even worse than the Radeon card, but now it runs as cool as a cucumber, including hotspot. And, it performs really well for a 3080 LHR model. I bought it brand new on eBay dirt cheap ($325) from a distributor in Israel that had a whole bunch of them (dozens) that were still in their white label packaging and plastic wrapping. If I decide to sell it I will give you first crack at it. I like it enough to want to keep it, but what I am not sure about is whether or not I like it enough to spend roughly $200 more on a waterblock for it. Having to do that to get the temperatures I would like to see makes it too expensive. So, let's see what I decide when the block is actually available, how much it costs and what my appetite for spending is when that time comes. I could probably use it forever running as hot as it does without any problems because it is apparently "normal" for Radeon cards. Just because it is normal and the heat might not kill it doesn't mean I like that part of it, LOL. It destroys the 3080 in terms of performance. No contest there. The way I look at it, neither one of them operate at temperatures that make me happy out of the box. To be totally fair, I also have to admit that almost every GPU I have owned since the day I ditched turdbooks and moved back to desktops has been on a waterblock and the times I have used an air cooler there is not one single GPU that I thought had "good" temperatures with air cooling. Some have been worse than others, but all have sucked to a degree that I found displeasing when they were air cooled. I have spoiled myself with liquid cooling of almost everything for the past 10 years and don't really like to have anything air cooled on my desktops, be it a CPU, GPU or RAM. It is probably safe to say that this has caused me to be a bit jaded and intolerant of temperatures that mainstream PC gamers have come to accept as normal and don't think about. They just play games and the temps are what the temps are. (Gosh that last part puts them in the same category as the turdbook gamers. I guess ignorance is bliss and you can't miss something you have never had.)