Mr. Fox

We will all be building PCs from discarded trash parts. When stupid becomes normal... Stupid has a face... no thanks. Rugged individualism is vastly superior to collective stupidity.

That makes me feel very.................... old.

Turdbooks will continue on the path of turdification eternally. There is no bottom, only smells like one. They are made for a specific type of consumer. Stupid is the new way... it's how the tech giants roll now. They serve stupid people, so it makes sense. Downgrades for everyone... plenty of trash to go around.

https://www.3dmark.com/sn/11168873

The idiotic multi-component design with the daughterboard I/O and PCIe X16 connector is totally crap and so is the compact PCB. Everything is crammed together and plastered with that silly glue mask that NVIDIA uses to make SMD repairs more difficult. Would not touch it with a 10-foot pole, even if it was only like $1200. Designed to fail and no service parts. That's the NVIDIA way of screwing their customers. It would only be useful to move the core and RAM modules over to a donor PCB that is not designed in such an idiotic way. You have to also think about how you got shafted on the firmware lock. All of it was nefariously planned and premeditated to benefit NVIDIA and screw everyone that purchased a Founders Edition GPU. Not the kind of business that deserves any of our money. NVIDIA is as crooked as they come, and it is more obvious now than ever before with how they are handling things.

Do they have any board partners stupid enough to use it? Hope not.

The WireView Pro II is pretty impressive, but I've come to expect only the best from Brother @der8auer at this point. So, I am pleased but not surprised. It is interesting seeing how unreliable and sketchy the 12V-2x6 connector actually is. What you could never see without the WireView Pro II becomes abundantly clear. My PSU is a Lian Li Edge 1300W that has a light blue connector and none of the plastic fingers showed any evidence of overheating when I installed the WireView Pro II. The connector still looks like brand new. I have been messing with it today and you can gently bump the wiring/connector and cause pin current imbalance. This triggers an alarm to you can remedy the situation before damage occurs. I have been able to both induce and remedy the current imbalance problem by simply tapping on the wiring or WireView Pro II with my finger. Seeing this makes it easy to understand how user error is very likely not a common factor with the melted connectors. I am running the stock Zotac 600W vBIOS for normal daily use and with the shunt mod if I reduce the power limit to 65-70% with Afterburner it shows my peak power between 600-620W. I am going to order another one for my 4090 pretty soon. I'm sure it is equally sketchy. The 12VHPWR connector is truly a joke and NVIDIA deserves to be crucified for pushing this abortion as a new standard.

NVIDIA won't "need" consumers until the AI bubble breaks. I hope they suffer record-breaking financial losses, all of their wealth ends up being erased and they end up filing bankruptcy. I wonder if you could designate the second core for Lossless Scaling and essentially function the same as two GPUs? @Clamibot?

I just hooked it up. I have not done any testing or playing with the settings yet. Here is a down and dirty no-audio video showing the different screens/menus. I've connected the shut-down wire to the mobo power header. Those two wires are very thin and separate. It would have been nice if they were bonded together for the sake of cable management, but otherwise it seems like a very well-made product. It was nice to see all of my 12V lines were well balanced right off the bat. The thermal sensor connected to the motherboard T-sensor that I have inserted between the wires next to the connector shows the same temperature reading as the WireView Pro II, so that is also good. I had to add a 25mm G1/4 extension on the GPU water out fitting to raise it up enough to clear the top of the WireView Pro II. I am not sure what an acceptable variance is between pins, but my impression is this is close enough to not be an issue. If there was over 1-2A difference between pins that might be a concern. This was running a 4K MSI Kombustor benchmark with the GPU at all default clocks and voltage. Idle power is around 48-50W.

WireView Pro II was just delivered.

A turdbook is a turdbook, is a turdbook. It doesn't matter what name is on the outside, it's all just dung on the inside.

Guaranteed... it will be slower.

https://github.com/zoicware/RemoveWindowsAI for those who want the crappy new OS, but make it less crappy This scripts alone (without any of the extra manual tweaks) removed about 30 processes from running at startup.

Go back to Windows 10 LTSC from Winduhz 11 cancer without doing a clean install... in-place "downgrade" (actually an upgrade) without having to do a clean install.

That really needs to happen. I hope it continues and accelerates faster than expected. Nadella has been a terrible business leader and he should have been let go a long time ago. There are not many reasons for consumers and fewer than there used to be for business users to avoid Linux and continue using Winduhz at this point. Ignorance isn't a good excuse. That can be fixed easier than fixing Windoze.

Wow, that is a really good deal.

I got a notification that mine has shipped. Oh, by the way. ASUS has released a USB firmware update since the one we discussed recently. Same two device updates, (ASUS_4242_and_PD-GX_Firmware_Windows_Update_Tool) but a newer version.

That used to bother me, but now I don't care anymore. I honestly do not believe that anyone (even me) is capable of building a laptop that I would be satisfied with no matter how much effort or cost went into creating it. It would always be compromised in multiple ways, so my focus has shifted to minimizing cost as much as possible and purchasing no more than the bare minimum that is necessary to perform limited purpose tasks just enough to get me by until I can use something better. I plan to use the turdbook I own now until it fails and can't be inexpensively repaired, and if I ever have to replace it then it will be replaced with something similar. Big screen, big keyboard and as inexpensive as possible. Something used for only a small fraction of what it sold for new. (Same way I buy cars now.) I have found that I don't hate it as much when my expectations are low and it didn't cost me much. Same to you, brother.

That's where I landed almost 10 years ago, and they were nowhere nearly as sucky back then as they are today. I can no longer take laptops seriously. At best, I view them as a necessary evil and a tool to be used to perform a job when mobility is an inescapable requirement. I doubt I will ever view them as being an acceptable product for pleasure or entertainment purposes like I used to. The only reason I own one is for the rare circumstance that I need to use a computer outside of my home office. If I had to find something nice to say, I guess it would be "It's better than trying to use a tablet or smartphone." I suspect that the combination of worry and curiosity may help to create problems for some people. I think disturbing the connection just to "check on it" when there is not a good reason to disturb it is a bad idea that increases the chances of failure due to poor contact and high resistance. Kind of like the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" concept. If it is working right, just leave it alone.

My primary interest in the product is to monitor what is happening with my GPU. I have a thermal sensor inserted into the cable and the temperatures have always remained low enough to not be a concern. But, I am not convinced that the readings are 100% reliable or indicative of what is happening at the individual pin level. My hope is that if there is ever a failure it will occur between the PSU and the WireView and the GPU will be spared. So, I am thinking (hoping) there is a chance that the WireView II Pro will serve as the sacrificial component if disaster strikes, while giving me a better understanding of what is happening that cannot be seen or felt without it.

They would be crazy to provide any kind of warranty for using a system outside of OEM specs. Failure of the 12V-2x6/12VHPWR is likely even when the GPUs using that connectors are utilized at or below the OEM specifications. I would even question the intelligence of providing a warranty for those that are used within OEM specs. Thermal Grizzly is assuming an unreasonable risk that that NVIDIA created when it made this engineering abortion a standard and it would not surprise me to see Thermal Grizzly stop providing a warranty on new WireView II Pro sales at some point in the near future.

The problem is laptops are built with a obsessive degree of focus on embracing compromise. They are compromised in every possible measurement, sacrificing performance and giving the greatest levels of priority to: Form factor Weight Power consumption Battery run time Noise Aesthetics Performance is always a secondary consideration and less important. The only way to truly appreciate a turdbook is to value those other things more than one values performance. They are built to be disposable, limited use products... limited in lifespan, service, repairability, upgradability and performance.

Looks like a great product. I look forward to receiving mine. The WireView is definitely merely a band-aid solution to a genuinely defective product. Nothing will ever fix the underlying engineering defects and nothing can make it a good, reliable or safe connector. I am honestly shocked that none of the GPU manufacturers have chosen to disregard the rules and go back to using legacy 8-pin PCIe connectors.

On the topic of WireView Pro II...