Mr. Fox

GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out). AI makes us all dumb because the need for being smart is eliminated. AI is programmed by someone. AI harvests data. Data is often flawed. AI grabs the data, aggregates it and organizes it in the way it is programmed to organize and categorize things. We never question it, or the validity of the data. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Zombies are not real, but people that act like zombies are real. And they are legion.

They named it 5050 because it is only half as good as it should be. The price is good, but everything else is not. 50/50. Or, maybe it is the level of ownership satisfaction. I finally got my refund from Amazon for the disappointing garbage 9950X3D bottomfeeder silicon sample that I returned. Two weeks is a long time to wait on a $750 refund. But, a better way to buy is coming soon. I can hardly wait.

Fluxmaven already grabbed the kit that had the heatsinks removed. They would probably all be gone by now if not for the people that have been (rightfully) terrified of getting scammed by pirates that have hijacked accounts. When I posted my WTB for a golden 9950X within 2 hours some loser had created a new account and PM'd me to email his friend. I Googled the email address and saw proof it was a scam in a couple of other fourms, using the same email. Degenerates like that are a disgrace to humanity. They needs to be hunted down and exterminated.

I am glad to hear you are back home and recovering.

It is a great card. I pulled it because I don't have a block for it and one will not be available until mid to late July at the earliest and it runs absurdly hot. So, I don't know if a block will help it a lot or a little bit. Putting the 6900 XT on a waterblock only slightly improved its hotspot temperatures even though the core and memory junction temperatures were fantastic. The GPU that has a block on it now is the ASUS 3080 Turbo, which is a budget 3080 with a blower on it that does an absolutely horrid job of cooling the GPU. It was absolutely insane and I can't believe ASUS got away with selling them the cooler was so horrible. It made a ton of noise, but the GPU still hit 100°C playing games or running a 3DMark benchmark. It was even worse than the Radeon card, but now it runs as cool as a cucumber, including hotspot. And, it performs really well for a 3080 LHR model. I bought it brand new on eBay dirt cheap ($325) from a distributor in Israel that had a whole bunch of them (dozens) that were still in their white label packaging and plastic wrapping. If I decide to sell it I will give you first crack at it. I like it enough to want to keep it, but what I am not sure about is whether or not I like it enough to spend roughly $200 more on a waterblock for it. Having to do that to get the temperatures I would like to see makes it too expensive. So, let's see what I decide when the block is actually available, how much it costs and what my appetite for spending is when that time comes. I could probably use it forever running as hot as it does without any problems because it is apparently "normal" for Radeon cards. Just because it is normal and the heat might not kill it doesn't mean I like that part of it, LOL. It destroys the 3080 in terms of performance. No contest there. The way I look at it, neither one of them operate at temperatures that make me happy out of the box. To be totally fair, I also have to admit that almost every GPU I have owned since the day I ditched turdbooks and moved back to desktops has been on a waterblock and the times I have used an air cooler there is not one single GPU that I thought had "good" temperatures with air cooling. Some have been worse than others, but all have sucked to a degree that I found displeasing when they were air cooled. I have spoiled myself with liquid cooling of almost everything for the past 10 years and don't really like to have anything air cooled on my desktops, be it a CPU, GPU or RAM. It is probably safe to say that this has caused me to be a bit jaded and intolerant of temperatures that mainstream PC gamers have come to accept as normal and don't think about. They just play games and the temps are what the temps are. (Gosh that last part puts them in the same category as the turdbook gamers. I guess ignorance is bliss and you can't miss something you have never had.)

Yes. Minimal improvement. Almost not worth the effort it was so little. Thank you. Not deliberately. I really like the 9070 XT. It's a great card. But it is a Radeon space heater. I am merely second guessing the intelligence of buying a block for it if the hotspot temps might end up remaining as insane as the 6900 XT remained after putting a block on it. Core and memory temps came down, but hotspot barely improved. Doesn't make sense to spend $200 on a GPU block if it is not going to help it $200 worth of better. Why spend money at all if the 3080 is doing everything I need it to is what I was thinking. Not because I dislike the 9070 XT. I only dislike Radeon thermals. They suck and almost always do. I don't understand why.

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I never saw this thread until now. I am very happy you pulled through and I hope things have normalized. I appreciate you sharing your challenge. I've had a tough year and a half as well, so I know how stressful it must have been for you and your family. I was diagnosed with (and treated for) prostate cancer and seem to be in the clear for that. Just checkups now to make sure it stays gone. I am sensitive to pharmaceuticals and had a severe reaction with lasting (to this day) complications from the Levaquin they gave me for the biopsy 10 months ago, including soft tissue problems (tendons in knees, right shoulder and both hands) and cardiac problems. Don't take Levaquin (Levofloxacin) if you can avoid it. "Danger Will Robinson!" Some of the rare but potential complications it can have include death from aortic aneurysm, ruptured rotator cuff and ruptured Achilles tendon.

It is being a little bit laggy for me as well. Not so severe as to present a big problem, but slow enough to notice. Please share photos of the shunt mod and completed block installation. I'm sure it is going to be like a different GPU now. Speaking of GPUs, I'm liking the 3080 Turbo on water a lot. It works great. I might skip buying a block for the 9070 XT and just sell it to get most of my money back. I don't need any more than the 3080 in that rig or the 4090 in the other rig. The 9070 XT is definitely more powerful (by a lot) than the 3080, but at this point it just seems so unnecessary. I may still do it only to see if the hotspot temps are improved for nothing more than curiosity. It was puzzling that blocking the 6900 XT made so little difference in the hotspot temps. Radeon thermals are just goofy. While greatly improved, even after replacing the paste with a PTM phase change pad, better thermal pads and replacing the spring-loaded screws with normal screws the memory junction and hotspot temps are much higher than I have ever seen with a GeFarts card. Closest I have ever seen the temps on an NVIDIA card anywhere close to "Radeon high" was when crypto mining on the 3090 K|NGP|N during the summer heat. I'm liking the Radikult Customs D5 distro a lot. More than I expected to. Mario is a talented fabricator. And, let there be light... If anybody needs some good memory kits... works fine for AMD or Intel. G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo 8000 EXPO Kits | Overclock.net

I agree wholeheartedly that we need to do that. But an even better solution is for all nations to cut off China completely. Russia can be their only customer. If nobody has products manufactured in China, nobody buys anything made in China, and all exports of anything and everything to China are banned by all nations that's an instant win for the world. Excommunicado... just like John Wick. Stuff might cost more, but sometimes you have to break some eggs. In the end everyone (except China) will profit monetarily, philosophically and spiritually in a world without China and Chinese garage soiling our existence. The Chinese people can thank Xi Jinping for it, if they choose to allow him to live.

The only thing I can add to this would include vulgar speech that is forbidden by forum rules and would create an undesirably uncouth public image of myself.

And, some people will find a way to be happy about it. Just because you can play games on the lowest settings, with the lowest expectations, and it is cheap. Maybe they did not realize you can do that with integrated graphics and it is free if you purchased the right CPU. 😒

When I see things like this (which I find very repulsive) it almost feels like it is a deliberate mocking of gamers and PC enthusiasts. It is somewhat ironic that one of the most wicked and despicable governments in the world presides over a nation that is composed of people that find pleasure in such simplistic and juvenile things. I have to remind myself it is a reflection of Chinese culture and they are making this disgusting garbage for their own people that actually love it and think it is awesome. It is difficult for the rest of us to relate to. The most comical and puzzling part about it is how it is presented to the rest of the world as if it were something special and desirable when the exact opposite it true.

I hope so they have the best fittings anywhere. Quantum Torque are the best.

Wow, that is one of the smallest GPU blocks that I have seen. It looks great and I suspect it will perform great being a Thermal Grizzly product.

Now we need people to just hold the line, be a big boy/girl and not jump the gun and buy anything. Let all of the GPUs continue to rot on shelves until they start freaking out about products not moving and lower the prices further. We need to make them worried about where their next meal is coming from and how they're going to pay for it. If they cannot or will not produce and sell reasonably priced products then they just need to go out of business. No more getting away with screwing us. Screw them. You know what they say about payback, right? Let's make it hurt real bad so that they don't forget anytime soon. It would be hilarious if by some miracle nobody sold a single GPU anywhere for the next 6 months. We'd have some nice Christmas sales. If we punch hard enough and long enough and make it hurt bad enough we will see prices from pre-COVID/crypto scalping days return. We have all of the power. Everyone saying no to getting screwed with overpriced GPU trash will either wake them up or kill them, and either one is better than how things are now. I fixed that for you. None should pay NVIDIA prices for NVIDIA. None of them are actually a good value. 9070 XT is a good value if you can buy it for the MSRP and a poor value when you can't. You normally cannot. Everything NVIDIA is a truly horrible value and just not worth it because it is never sold for an acceptable and equitable price. The premeditated plan from the very start was to screw everyone that purchased an NVIDIA GPU. It has nothing to do with supply/demand or market. It was planned and orchestrated and the handiwork of wicked people. To a degree, maybe a large one, AMD prices are a reaction to NVIDIA extortion pricing. Nobody in their right mind wants to pay NVIDIA prices for a GPU.

Massive improvement. Before it was hitting 100°C with the blower on it even after a repaste and new pads. Well worth the $80~ paid for the brand new GPU block. Now I need one for the 9070 XT. Fits nice and looks good.

I just today received the 3080 Turbo block that I ordered May 16. The 9950X3D trash specimen was shipped back to Amazon on 6/13. It was going to Las Vegas. It has been sitting at the UPS destination hub since 6/16 and hasn't moved since. UPS shipments to places like Las Vegas, Los Angeles and San Diego from Phoenix are usually delivered the day after UPS receives them. When I had to send back the broken AORUS Master motherboard to Central Computers (NorCal) I sent it next day air. It took 6 business days for delivery. I think DHL has stopped accepting shipments to Canada due to some first-world Canadian crap taking place. So there seems to be some sort of turmoil happening with shipping services. Is it a full moon?

It is very common for gigantic companies to be mismanaged from the top down. We see it frequently in the largest companies. Airlines are one of the most frequent examples. I just hope we don't end up having a bunch of libtards playing the "too big to fail" card like they did with auto manufacturer bailouts. If a company can't survive without government subsidies it needs to die. And, we need to help it die, not prolong the agony. Keeping a mismanaged organization on life support and allowing it to continue losing money only to keep jobs intact is an idiotic plan. Companies that are mismanaged to that degree probably have a mismanaged workforce as well. Same applies to worthless government agencies with employees that do nothing (often incompetent and unqualified) and serve no useful purpose in the grand scheme of things. Kill it. Nobody is "owed" anything. Not my problem. Stop wasting my tax dollars. Let me keep my money and use it for something that is actually important and beneficial to me. DOGE really shook things up in a good way and I hope it keeps going. Intel needs to make it on their own or die. I hope the government does not lift a finger for any company like Intel, AMD, NVIDIA, Micro$lop, crApple... now or ever. My mom, God rest her soul, was half Native American (Choctaw) and upon reaching the age of 2, she and her brothers were tossed into the Devil's River (South Texas) and told to "swim or die" by my grandfather. They swam. No instructions required. No assistance provided. It scared the crap out of them, but the fight to survive was greater than the challenge. My grandfather knew that and my mom and uncles never forgot it. My grandpa would go to prison for that today.

Well, this was kind of interesting. As I wait for Alphacool to drop a GPU block for this 9070 XT (late July ETA) and ponder the absolutely ludicrous uncorrectable personal furnace hotspot temps that Radeon GPUs are world famous for, I notice something. With my tower on my left a couple of feet from my left arm and no side panel installed I notice an abnormal amount of air blowing on me with unusual velocity and volume when running Time Spy. The stream of air is blowing from a gap in the heatsink fins. Essentially a 1-inch square hole with no obstructing fins and directly over the middle fan. So, I grab a razor blade and carve myself a plug from a chunk of foam rubber. I wedge it in there to neatly plug the hole and now I have about 10-12°C lower hotspot temps running Tme Spy. I wonder how many (and for how long) Radeon GPUs have had suckier than necessary hotspot temps due to similar heatsink design flaws. There is not much they could do in terms of adding a few extra rows of fins because the gap in the fins is where heat pipes turn and change direction, but changing the design of the shrouid or even just designing a black rubber or plastic plug to keep the air from taking the path of least resistance and losing all of the static pressure through the gaping hole would make a world of difference. Put a cork in it, dumb-dumbs! 🤣 And, speaking of GPU blocks, my Alphacool block for the ASUS 3080 Turbo blower GPU (an even worse hot mess and noise-maker than the Radeon) is due for FedEx delivery tomorrow. I think I will use that while waiting for the 9070 XT block. It is amazing how much more heat and noise air cooled parts dump into your living space. I never noticed because I have water cooled almost everything for such a long time. Computer life is a whole lot less annoying with everything water cooled.

That is some wicked bass jamming. That song reminds me very much of this one for that reason.

We (enthusiasts) are definitely outnumbered by those that don't know, don't care, or exercise restraint when it comes to spending. While I think cost per FPS is valid and something to pay attention to, where we mislead ourselves or rationalize purchases is by thinking in terms of "I am paying for an upgrade" when we should think strictly in terms of "I am buying NVIDIA's current best GPU. Is their pricing in line with what the flagship product was last year, or am I getting screwed?" This should be the primary basis for the purchase decision rather than size of the uplift over last generation equivalent. The size of the performance uplift doesn't matter in the context of needing a new GPU. They need it to be priced based on what it is, not how much better it is or is not. If you think in terms of how much you are paying for an upgrade, an upgrade from what? Where one person measures is different than another. And, that could go the other direction and the price change would need to be smaller for those whose upgrade would be smaller. And, we know they wouldn't want to operate that way because it would be right.

If Starfield is a game that can use as many cores/threads that the CPU can provide as opposted the the typical game that chokes on too many your HEDT setup might be getting better than normal results for that reason.

Cliff notes: clock speed is still king when the core/thread count is equal, and sometimes even when it is not equal. mama mia!

Thank you, China.