I snagged a great deal on a G.SKILL 8400 48GB kit and another Supercool direct touch memory cooler for $435 shipped. I popped the sticks in place of the Kingbank 8400 48GB kit running in the B850MPOWER and it booted right up and runs flawlessly. I think I am going to order a cheap 360MM radiator on Amazon and use my IceMan AM5 direct die block and run a custom loop instead of the Lian Li AIO on my SFF monster. I've got a spare Alphacool D5 pump and res that I am confident will fit between the GPU and front panel fans. Running a custom loop in such a small chassis is going to be pretty sweet.

https://www.overclock.net/threads/bunch-of-48gb-ddr5-kits-accessories.1819174/?post_id=29575067#post-29575067

Everyone have a pleasant holiday weekend. Happy Easter.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Forgot to follow up on the EVGA PSU RMA...

 

I ended up having to pay return shipping. It was a snafu in the original RMA saying a prepaid label would be provided. Ah well.....

 

So I got my EVGA replacement PSU in today and in MSI fashion (which replaced my AI1300 platinum with a MEG AI1600T), they sent me a SuperNova 1600w Titanium T6 to replace my Platinum 1600w P2 which I've never even heard of before. It has 9x PCIe connectors.

 

Model #220-T6-1600-B1 (but with the 10yr warranty still intact).

 

Has anyone heard of this particular model?

 

 

 

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9950X3D2 runs toasty or EK trying to pump up business?

 

EK is recommending water cooling to extract full performance....

 

I think they have had that PSU for a while but super expensive and hard to find. I remember seeing it on their web site but it was never in stock. I do not remember seeing it for sale in retail channels, only the Platinum 1600W. That is a sweet upgrade and well worth the return shipping cost.

I suspect EK is trying to pump up business, but honestly... water cooling is the only good solution for anything more than 8C/16T processors (both Intel and AMD) and the best solution for any desktop that isn't a SFF hotbox with no room for something better. Trying to air cool any overclocked high end CPU with 8 or more cores/threads with air or a cheap AIO is going to produce a lackluster result. So, to me they are simply stating the obvious, not something new, specific or unique to the 9950X3D2.

Maybe (hopefully) things will collapse sooner than expected. May they all burn brightly as they turn to ashes while we lock arms and sing Hallelujah to celebrate their calamity. Huang, Nadella and Altman need to go to jail and lose everything. Crucify them.

With a proper BIOS this is a really nice motherboard. Svet has provided updates with every official MSI release and added feature modules that were not even present for unlocking in the stock BIOS. I had him add a custom boot logo I created to replace the ugly MSI dragon boot logo.

30 minutes ago, Eban said:

I agree with you on the chatgpt thing. I wish youtube would clearly show when something was AI created but then no one would watch it....so yeah.

 

The lab grown meat thing ...mmm... I'm from a generation that still doesn't trust microwave ovens.

I would have to be VERY hungry to eat synthetic meat. Might as well tell me it's soylent green.....or MacDonalds 

YouTube has lots of videos where the likeness and voice of real YouTube content creators are being hijacked, along with re-created content that those real people created and posted on YouTube. AI in general is an absolute mess, not to mention things such as infringements and copyright violations that are being trampled with no accountability or repercussions. 

Cultivated (lab-grown) meat is a real thing, unfortunately. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/DVyrvZ-kq5f/?igsh=ZGUzMzM3NWJiOQ==

FDA approves use of cloned animals for food | National Library of Medicine

Too many unknowns and assumptions, and no regulation mandating disclosure is the biggest issue IMHO. People have right to know where their food is coming from and being OK to keep it a secret is not OK.

...and it's not only in the US...

7 hours ago, Meaker said:

You know this entire video is AI generated right and "Doctor Becker" is not real?

A lot of them are now, to the point of becoming ridiculous, but that does not mean the information is not accurate. There have been other channels talking about garbage that is getting added to meat and artifical lab "grown" meat (and other foods).

It is very annoying how much YouTube content is AI now. I have even seen videos produced by AI that use the voice and likeness of YouTube content creators that are real people, and quoting material from content they created, and I am fairly certain it is being done without their permission.

47 minutes ago, Talon said:

This looks pretty sick, I especially like that it’s coop. 

I haven't played in co-op with other people, only using bots as my team mates. But, it is a lot of fun.

I recently picked up the new version of Painkiller on a Steam sale. I have several of the original Painkiller titles and loved playing them. The new one is no exception. A bit flashier and better graphics, but just as fun. Your sole objective is to kill endless hordes of demons without getting killed in the process. Very similar to Doom but less keyboard effort needed than Doom.

The new ASUS BIOS is working well on the Apex. My system did not care for AGESA 1.3.0.0 or 1.3.0.0a but 1.3.0.1 seems good. They added that new "Crosshair Tweak" option in the memory settings. I am using mode 2 (Normal) because I don't give a flying hoot about mitigating the extremely remote possibility of being inconvenienced by a row hammer exploit. 

There is also a newer ZenTimings beta in the Discord available for download.

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

Being mislead by tech tubers telling you that you have to install 'additional' software was your first mistake. The Intel Performance Package is literally a motherboard driver that you install just like my 9850X3D has Chipset drivers that installs a 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer and Platform Power Management drivers. No longer do you have to enable anything in the BIOS, it's all on by default, you no longer download the overlay (was never required before anyways) from the Microsoft store as it's all been brough in house, single Intel PPP Driver which installs everything. Intel PPP driver is now on the Intel website as well as your motherboard support page. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/869519/intel-platform-performance-package.html 

 

Intel simply brough it all under one roof now, a single driver that does it all which is how it should have been. It's a great fix.

 

So PPP isn't a gimmick, it's literally Platform Power Management and Optimizations that every single vendor does. I'm not sure how this misunderstanding even started. 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

Intel and even AMD have before and now are  offering CPU optimization tools to compensate primarily for scheduler issues with these hybrid chips and then the next level is re-ordering (aka optimizing) execution for optimal performance dynamically.

 

We are basically talking drivers here. 

 

I don't see a problem with these drivers / tools Instead I see a problem with Windows and to a lesser degree developers making trash, bloated, unoptimized software.

 

It's like when you run Timespy or Steel Nomad and you can see a certain performance delta between AMD and Nvidia so that sets a performance bar.

 

We know the 5090 is heads and tails more powerful than the 9070xt / 7900xtx, yet you will suddenly see titles where the performance narrows to an insane level not reflective of benchmarks.

 

You then go into games and literally the performance varies anywhere between 20 to 90% depending on the game being tested not only AMD vs Nvidia but even Nvidia vs Nvidia and AMD vs AMD. The variance and bloat is insane.

 

This can extend even to CPU performance. Some games have horrific CPU optimizations. It was no shock that WoW was on the Intel APO short order list of games.

 

WoW is guilty of this and needs a major overhaul. Player physics absolutely tanks performance regardless of the CPU and leaves the GPU twiddling its thumbs.

 

Fallout 76 is guilty too and needs a major overhaul. The differential in X3D vs Intel for performance is insane.

 

So many console ports relying on the grunt of the CPU/GPU and not optimizing properly need it too.

 

Watching Vex's take on Crimson Desert and some truly great scaling and optimization vs so many bloated corpses masquerading as competent game engines.

 

 

 

 

Basically this...........

 

I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth and NOT accept CPU or GPU makers doing what they can to optimize and present their products in the best light to my benefit no matter the scale or exclusivity.

 

I do get rankled a bit when they have the ability to backport the technologies to previous CPUs/GPUs but don't trying to push current iterations as hard as possible though....but that's for another day. 🙂

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

Remember when they told us that 13th and 12th gen wouldn't work with APO? That is my biggest issue with Intel. They did say IBT has specific silicon "hooks" but I doubt. They said they're looking into bringing it in some fashion to ARL 1. Tells me they're waiting to see how initial sales look before they make that decision. 

Windoze is a broken surveillance tool and a raging dumpster fire of an OS. Literally a digital dung heap.

I do not have a problem with drivers. If functionality requires any Windoze Service(s) to be running that consumes memory and CPU cycles for the feature to work, then it is a software gimmick and not a hardware feature. Now, It may be a necessary evil and unavoidable fix for the raging Micro$lop dumpster fire, but it is still not a hardware feature if it depends on Windoze services to be running.

If it is a hardware feature it will work in a UEFI shell or in a Linux environment because it is baked into the CPU or GPU and functions at the firmware level and there is no way for it "not to work" if it is in the wrong OS environment. If it is a hardware feature, there is either no way to turn it on or off, or you do it in the BIOS, not Windoze, and it will not care if you are running an old version of Windows 10 or 11 that doesn't have certain updates installed.

As far as I am concerned, any hardware "feature" that requires installing software to function is not actually a feature, but a stupid gimmick that should be regarded as worthless. If the feature only works in Windows it is even more worthless. Having to install software is an unacceptable joke, even if Linux support is provided for it. The PC tech industry is quickly becoming the domain of idiots and profusely littered with trash. Hardware should have full functionality that requires no software and is OS agnostic.

8 hours ago, Reciever said:

Forgive me I typed it all out on my phone at break but this second GPU would strictly be just for Frame Gen mule under lossless scaling, my 7900 XTX would still be my raster, at 3Ghz its pretty good for me 24/7. I dont care about power savings, but I do concern myself with the 12VHPWR which is why Im dancing around upgrading to something "modern".

This is all just so I have 4K120 comfortably in recent single player titles. I prefer the idea of offloading frame gen to a second GPU over having it done on the same one.

 

Also looking at the IOCrest M.2 to 10Gbps adapter also and lastly the GC-Titanridge TB3 card for the last slot.

I think this would make for the best "everything I can think of" daily driver for a while.

 

Welp, scratch the ACE. Looks like Asus never fixed Curve Optimizer in the BIOS so it doesnt actually work lol, Back to the drawing board.

 

The Crosshair VIII Dark Hero looks like a good replacement choice.

One of the best things about owning a 9070 XT is, unless you do something stupid in terms of choosing the wrong GPU, you do not have to give a second thought to the garbage 12VHPWR connector. Having the legacy 8-pin PCIe connector is, in my mind, the most compelling reason to own one. Thankfully, hardly any of them use 12VHPWR connectors. The few that do deserve to be ostracized for their exceptionally poor judgment and lack of regard for people that purchase their products.

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

So now I'm looking at one of the following 

 

7800 xt, 7900 xt, gre, 9070, xt, possible 7900 xtx

Also looking to pick up an x570-ace for dual GPU scenario in tandem with losses scaling. 

 

Only reason for entertaining a second 7900 xtx is in the faint hope I can get one with better memory overclocking. Seems to be where people are able to hit gold. 

 

At that point I'll pick up a waterblock for the 5800 X3D also, I'll make it easier on my fingers digging into the system time and again. 

 

Also tried booting some of the Gpu's I have but don't seem to be porting lol just my luck

My vote would be for the 9070 XT. So far it is AMD's best GPU in terms of performance.

This "new meat" garbage should be outlawed in every state and every nation the world over. The company(s) producing this dung need to be put out of business forever. What in the hell are these idiots thinking? Oh wait, they're not, and neither are the morons that eat this filth.

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Intel Ultra 5 250k review. Out of box is clearly a step up over the 245k in a meaningful way not just productivity but gaming even beating the 265k in many games and some productivity. We'll need a deep dive and I'm sure some will pick up the 250k to bin. I'm really curious about the 270k now more than ever....

 

 

 

Some rudimentary memory scaling results (XMP modes across the board):

 

 

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Micro$slop MAY be listening finally about draconian account requirements for installs and setups. As a reminder, Apple, to this day, does NOT require an account to set up MacOS.

 

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Deba8auer and the 270k price performance. Cheaper and faster than a 285k..... 

 

$299.99 is a killer price...

 

Definitely picking up a few to bin.

 

 

Sweet! Nice to see Intel opening a can of whoopass. I wonder if there will be a 290K Plus? That would be the one I would want. It would need to be a 9950X beater in all core workloads.

Unless something changes in a big way with Zen 6, my next build will most likely be a return to Intel. Will see what happens when it happens and go from there. I think the 9950X is a very good CPU, but I do not like how many hard-coded functional limitations there are with AMD CPUs and the X3D CPU features don't really offer me anything important to me since I am not particularly obsessed with gaming.

30 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I always forget to subscribe to TGs YT when I click through. Finally remembered.

 

You would think they would have more subscribers than 1.85k.

 

As I get older, I can definitely see the benefits of predictable weather states or at least those that lean more towards the warmer side. 

 

I prefer warm weather or at least shorts wearing weather. I despise long pants. Always have and loathe when I have to wear them. I've been known to wear shorts in 50 degree weather because that still works for me.

I virtually never wore shorts and never owned anything but jeans and slacks for my entire life until I moved to Arizona in 2015. Now I only like wearing shorts, even when it is cold. (Cold here means a few days of 35-40°F overnight low winter weather.) Wearing long pants now seems uncomfortable and very annoying to me, LOL. I also like all of my clothing to be very loose fitting. Tight shirts, pants and shorts make me feel like I am going to lose my marbles. I usually go with a size larger than I need for the sake of comfort.

The small subscriber base is possibly because the Thermal Grizzly channel is relatively new and Roman has multiple channels. He has both English and German der8auer channels and now the Thermal Grizzly channel. All that said, it does seem like kind of a low number. I suspect that some people that are subscribed to one of the two der8auer channels might not have even noticed they are not subscribed to the Thermal Grizzly channel. None of his channels have a gigantic subscriber base. Splitting things up is probably affecting the number, but to what degree I have no idea.

It may also have something to do with the fact that his target audience is not gamers, per se. He is more interested in producing content that interests overclocking enthusiasts and the kind of hardware we like rather than producing content that is appealing to gamers. I think a fairly high percentage of gamers are not into overclocking or expensive high-end hardware. One of the things I like about him and his channel is that he is focused on facts, information and results, but not entertaining people. That may also be a factor.

18 hours ago, Reciever said:

Hey fellas, commenced on more testing for getting Dual GPU's running on my ITX system. 

Long story short; on X570, it failed all attempts. 

Short story long - I was able to get both GPU's to post once I got longer PCIE extension cables but was unable to get a game running and every crash I was essentially starting over with getting the system to POST. So PCIE x16 to x8x8 remains illusive despite the BIOS supporting it. This method has been formerly put to rest for my platform.

I did fall back to an NVME to PCIE x4 and tested with the RX 6500 XT which did prove successful. This type of solution would work fine for 1080p and maybe 1440p however 4K120hz HDR requires PCIe 4 x8 to be functional, not to mention a beefier GPU. 

 

Sadly this means that Dual-GPU Frame Generation for my AM4 system will once more go on ice. 


What I am thinking of doing is getting another 1080mm radiator and refocusing my efforts towards benching. The current scenario with the A/C, particularly where the A/C vents cold air relative to the where the rad sits is inefficient. A lot of cold air is currently being wasted.

 

The idea I had is to create a "box" right outside where the A/C vents, then the 2x 1080mm rads would "exhaust" that air into the room and any leakage would either fall down to the systems below or not be significant enough to matter.

 

Anything interesting I should consider adding to this loop?

While it is disappointing, it's not too surprising  the dual GPU set up had some issues. Bifurcation is problematic on most of the AMD platforms, and to a somewhat lesser degree also for Intel. Mostly because of insufficient PCIe lane count. Even the dual chipset X870E platforms squandered added lanes from the second chipset on stupid stuff like USB4 and left the add-in card PCIe slots either unusable or crippled.

I think that ducting your HVAC through the 1080 radiator will make a really big difference in cooling. I think more so than adding a second 1080 radiator. If you add a second, you need to be sure to duct the HVAC through both of them or adding the second 1080 radiator will actually impair the cooling by heating the water toward ambient. The same principle applies using a water chiller. Routing the chilled water through a radiator actually prevents it from getting as cold as it will without any radiators because the radiators try to warm the water to normalize with the ambient temperatures.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Nope, no compute can fix this. The bad weather we have in Norway follow me also down to my favorite place outside Africa. 10 days into my holiday and same bad awful weather every damn day. Someone really hates me🤕 

 

The icecoold from Sept to May in my home place under the North pole ain't enough, then this trash/winter storms in the spring  down south. I don't know what to say. Almost giving up. And the Bungalows and outside area isn't built for this type rainy weather/storms. Tiles on the floor everywhere can't drain the flood of rain.The climate is in change. The fix is building more AI slop running on more gas and oil. Sure. I living in one of the coldest an rainy places on earth. The weather being worse and worse. Rest of the world will follow same paths. Sad.

 

Tenerife hit by snow as Storm Therese brings wind and rain to Canary Islands

 

https://www.bbc.com/weather/articles/cr51n7yd7v5o

Sorry to hear the weather is ruining your vacation. That sucks, especially since it cost money for something you're not able to enjoy. I hope the stormy weather goes away soon.

It is almost always too hot in the Arizona desert, but I am thankful that it is rare and very seldom that I have to tolerate stormy or catastrophic weather events. Apart from an occasional and isolated haboob or monsoon, no rain, no snow, no hail, no tornados, etc. Just relentless heat most of the year. Almost never any surprises. The consistency is good if you can put up with the heat.

New technical vids on WVP2.

21 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Nice! I was wondering if you used it at all or even had it set up to get back in action quickly. So close to breaking 50k on CB! Maybe see if you can push for the 18k club on the 5090?

It is as easy as disconnecting one QDC, turning off one valve and plugging in two QDC fittings. I could probably break into both of those clubs had I let the chiller run longer and got the water a few degrees colder. I might do it later just to say I did. I know I would be proud of myself... for a few minutes, then it wouldn't be enough and I'd feel compelled to push harder. I am starting to feel like all of it is just an exercise in futility and have been asking myself "What's the point?" more than I have in the past. Not because I don't enjoy benching. I do enjoy it a lot, but because everything is both super expensive and in short supply it gives me pause. If I kill something having fun with it, replacing it might literally be near impossible due to availability and cost. And, that is a tough pill to swallow when it is all just for fun and there is literally no reward other than a momentary sense of personal accomplishment that nobody else cares about.

I've been trying to re-ignite my old passion for gaming, but it's really difficult for me to get into it with most of the newer game titles. A lot of them are made for a different generational mindset and gaming styles that I personally do not care for. The titles that I would play and enjoy require me to do things I am unwilling to do (as a matter of principle) for the sake of online multiplayer anti-cheating crap.

Decided to fire up the chiller since today was over 95°F and my office was a bit too toasty. Got a couple of personal best scores. Steel Nomad was pulling 1650W from my 1500W UPS that was screaming about "overload" the entire time. To keep the WireView Pro II from shutting things down I had to max out the current limit in the software (25.5A per wire, 150A total).

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_steel_nomad_dx12/submissions/5991752 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/154125943

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/cinebench_-_r23_multi_core_with_benchmate/submissions/5991744