Mr. Fox

17 hours ago, ryan said:

Haven't checked in for awhile. Any news on RTX 6000 series? 

Hey stranger. Where you been? Welcome back. You were missed.

No idea on the RTX 6000. It's not a product that fits into a sane person's discretionary hobby budget so I've not given it even a glance. Curiosity killed the cat fox, so I just don't want to subject myself to temptation for nonsense like that.

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

@Mr. Fox any chance you can try the new drivers with your EVC2 and a >+190 core offset  to see if it keeps your voltages and clocks suppressed even in the face of a hardware control mod? Those running stock vBIOS and try to OC are getting capped when overclocking and even those running the XOC are suddenly neutered down to 1.025 when overclocking.

 

The good news (?), is if you're not overclocking or doing a mild OC (sub +190), the drivers are decent.

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I will give it a go after work.

As best I can tell it does not seem to be clock-blocked for me. My stock default voltage is 1.070V and I was able to use the EVC2 to set a +50mV offset to get it to about 1.125V and the core offset of +190 seems to hold. This was bumping up to just under 800W with a moderate load Vulkan stress test.

The first image is with the EVC2 connected, so HWiNFO64 cannot "see" the WireView. The second image is with the EVC2 USB cable unplugged after applying the voltage offset so that the WireView sensor show data in the OSD. GPU-Z doesn't show much of anything accurately in terms of voltage, power or PerfCap reasons at this point. The second image shows WireView Pro II sensors in RTSS overlay.

Edit 1: the way the new Imgur UI is made totally sucks. Changing to the old style only fixes the look and feel, but not the degraded functionality. Very lame, and the way it is nearly impossible to post direct image links that skip their ugly sucky crap landing page really is super annoying. Seems like every time you find something awesome, some idiot (or group of idiots) find a way to screw it up. I may have to start looking for an alternative that isn't a piece of trash, but I am not sure there is one.

Edit 2: I'm trying Image Chest now. Hopefully it will be what Imgur used to be. Updated images and links.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

@Mr. Fox any chance you can try the new drivers with your EVC2 and a >+190 core offset  to see if it keeps your voltages and clocks suppressed even in the face of a hardware control mod? Those running stock vBIOS and try to OC are getting capped when overclocking and even those running the XOC are suddenly neutered down to 1.025 when overclocking.

 

The good news (?), is if you're not overclocking or doing a mild OC (sub +190), the drivers are decent.

I will give it a go after work.

52 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

there was a follow-up from Jay in the comments that AB newest version added support for Lightning voltage control, so should be possible to push that limit up further. no idea if hes gonna do a follow-up video on this though...

and no, im not defending that 5k+ USD card LOL

 

 

LOL i saw that video yesterday via Louis Rossmann and thought of bro @Papusan right away 😄 

 

 

well THAT should be interesting... if theyre ever gonna do a public statement on this, that is. good that the community has surely made a gazillion local copies of that vBios (myself included), so we dont really care about any takedowns 😛 

 

 

say wut....what was that about? armed robbery or smth? any details available? thats crazy! altho i must say i dont know how i feel about starting a frigging gofundme after a family member was murdered....dunno if its just me but that leaves a bad aftertaste in my mouth....

The petite arson connector will always be the weakest link. Two is better than one, but not as good as none. Two places for disaster to strike. The only way to fix the problem is to get rid of the engineering defect and stop tempting fate. The higher the performance limit goes, the more likely it becomes that disaster will strike. MSI will always be MSI, which is less than ideal. But, I can see the logic in their concern about a $5000+ GPU becoming a financial liability under warranty. If they were intelligent they would have never released the 5090 Lightning because of the defective 12V-2x6 specification standard. They're not intelligent, just dishonest.

26 minutes ago, Reciever said:

 

I actually REALLY want to do this...for my RX 5700 XT's. I still have 3 of them and last time I used one it immediately hit 8GB VRAM buffer in Sons of the Forest 😞

 

Sadly there are no success stories of anyone doing this for that card. I continue to hold out hope, maybe I need to setup a bounty for it to generate interest? Not sure how I would even go about it. Especially considering Lossless Scaling Dual GPU FG, just need one card that has the 16GB VRAM and the other could be left as is.

I keep revisiting the old reddit thread where one university student tried it, looks like it failed and/or lost interest due to lack of time.

Would be a lot of fun going from 8GB 14Gbps to 16GB 18Gbps + OC. I hold out hope but gotta admit its disheartening not seeing any progress made towards that end.

I think the vBIOS has to support it. If it does not that might be why there are no examples of it having been done on numerous other video cards rather than just a select few.

6 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Avoid buy anything from Silicon Power. Greed is god.

 

Silicon Power allegedly deducted 15% from refund after DDR4 memory RMA

 

According to the user, the kit was purchased for $54.97 and Silicon Power’s message listed a refund of $46.72. That difference matches a 15% deduction from the original purchase price. The user also claims the same kit now lists for $140.97, which would make the refund insufficient to buy a...

That's totally dishonest. They should take the 15% depreciation off of the current market price or refund 100%. If that user were smart he would provide evidence of the current price and insist that Silicon Power send a replacement kit from that retailer or any other retailer that has it in stock. If they refuse, then take them to small claims court. If the product has a lifetime warranty (which most DRAM does) it would be inappropriate to charge depreciation. If something is guaranteed for life there is no legal basis for depreciation.

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

lol, what were the pin out readings on the WVP2 when it was >1500w?

About 12-13A per pin.

Quake II RTX - silky smooth on Linux at 5120x2160. Had to lower my power limit with LACT to 500W because the shunted 5090 with the 800W Matrix vBIOS was making the WireView Pro II scream like a stuck pig. My UPS also started squealing because it exceeds its 1500W capacity.

7 hours ago, Reciever said:

 

I was thoroughly surprised to see that my 3090ti was numbered and also tested for its clock speed which was written on the frame of the GPU die (#1479 and 2055 if memory serves). I'd be lying if I didn't entertain selling the thing an extra 1200-1300 is a fair bit of spending money. Decided against it, plenty of uses for a 3090ti. Pretty happy that I was able to find an unused ek-wb for it they should pair up nicely someday. 

That level of caring died when EVGA left the building. Their competitors never gave a damn, and now there is no reason for them to even pretend they do. 

39 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

He runs a pretty beefy MO-RA setup and bins the snot out of his gear each and every cycle and tunes it up pretty good but I don't remember Sugi being into all the Y-cruncher / OCCT/ Karhu e-peen swinging contests so I'm not sure....

 

Clearly stable enough to game tho! 🤣

He does not seem to be into that nonsense. Cherry-picked CPUs, GPUs and RAM seem to be more plentiful in China and neighboring Far East nations and Germany for some reason. The crappier stuff seems to get shipped out to the rest of the world.

22 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

niiice, nifty lil tool. would it work on other mobos as well? or asrock specific?

 

 

wtf 😮 i wonder how many IMCs he had to bin for that RAM speed (and how stable it is). 

15 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Not sure if it'd work on other mobos, but i bet there is a generic tool out in the wild somewhere. 

 

What happened to memory prices? Chip shortage? I've a brand new unopened 2x16gb Trident Z5 6000mhz rgb kit, and feel extremely wealthy! 🤣

Here is what I use. Save it as Boot-to-BIOS.cmd (or whatever you want) and run as admin. I added it to my right-click context menu using File Menu Tools. Very handy when you plan to reboot and enter the BIOS to make setting changes. 

@echo off
shutdown /fw /r /t 0

28 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

How does this device manager tree look for Windows 10?

All drivers installed, except for ACPI. Was able to install a null driver to clear the error 🙂

 

I do not have any Windows 10 devices missing drivers, but after installing AMD chipset drivers I always have to browse from Device Manager and point to the C:\AMD folder to get one or two items to install because the automated chipset installation process skips them for some reason. This has always been this way for me since I first purchased an AM5 system, on both Windows 10 and 11. I'm not sure why. I can't remember now which device(s) that occurs with. Maybe the PSP or I2C device? I used to have something similar with Z790.  I think it was GPIO or something like that which I had to always manually select the driver from Device Manager.

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Not sure if its been mentioned, but I found this little gem via grok. There is a work around for the mediatek wifi 7 and windows 10. The Dell driver package installs it at wifi 6, but it works. I found that this Taichi will run the gpu at x8 with my wifi card in the other pcie slot.

 

I returned the X870E Taichi because installing anything in a PCIe slot dropped the GPU to 8X. It was installed and running 30 minutes before I started the RMA. Functionality is the equivalent of an ITX board with only a GPU slot. Very idiotic engineering and lousy bifurcation design decisions are a curse on MOST X870E mobos. We can partially thank AMD for mandating the waste of PCIe lanes on USB4/TB (which most never use and never will).

I could see limited use cases for it with a turdbook (like using an eGPU or having no external display options without it) but USB4/TB is irrelevant and mostly worthless on a desktop with a dedicated GPU.

For the past 6+ years I have used my own desktop PCs for work and now I will be using a company-issued turdbook for work. I repurposed my dual Acer 4K 160Hz panels for the work PC since I will be needing the massive screen real estate for work. I grabbed a 40" Samsung Odyssey G75F 5120x2160 180Hz WUHD monster on sale at Micro Center for $638 (model LS40FG75DENXZA) and it seems pretty great so far. It doesn't like the 4090 and neither does my ASUS 4K 120Hz monitor. I have to lower the resolution to not have a BIOS or Windows Boot Manager black screen (same problem using the ASUS screen with 4090) when using DisplayPort. Something about 40-series firmware and high refresh rate 4K on DisplayPort is glitchy. There are many examples of people complaining about this online. Using HDMI 2.1 it functions flawlessly. The 5090 doesn't care whether I use DisplayPort or HDMI.

19 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

lol i wouldnt even bother replying to such comments 😄 

I normally do not because people like that are not worth the effort. Nothing said can address their mental illness. I started/stopped more than once before replying, but when I noticed him being an ass to multiple people I decided it was worth the risk. The response I posted was much kinder and more humorous than the few I started to post and did not. I also pinged the moderators to draw their attention to the butthead.

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29562444/

yoursomoney85 said: 

That's not how that works, but please go on about how you really don't understand what you're doing some more.. it's enthralling 💀

yoursomoney85 said: 

It is a downgrade in every measurable capacity if you actually understand what you're doing, AMD is for people who don't have a ****ing clue and like to sit around in forums and circle jerk about it.. 💀💯

What grade are you in? Are your classmates really mean to you, or is it a parenting issue?

I am using the new 9961 beta BIOS on the Apex and it seems OK so far. So, I may test 2101 on the Strix. AGESA 1.3.0.0 sucked for me on the Apex and the Strix, but 1.3.0.0a may have corrected the bugs that I had with 1.3.0.0 AGESA.

Nah, I was wrong. AGESA 1.3.0.0a is still garbage. I still have random freezes at idle and light load from excessive vdroop using this AGESA that I don't have with older versions. 

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

Also @Mr. Fox congrats on acquiring new employment! I was never in doubt, but its a relief none the less! 

Thank you. Yes, it is definitely a relief. 

As a side note, I am more excited about this new role than any I can remember before. It is a newly created position in a new department. The job description reads like it was written for me by someone that knows me well. It will allow me to lean into my strengths and skillset. This will be the first time in around 25 years that I will not be responsible for the performance of other employees, hiring, disciplinary actions and terminations. Data analytics has been a big part of what I have been responsible for in terms of people performance evaluation for 2.5 decades and that will be the bulk of my daily grind, but from the perspective of evaluating process and program performance rather than execution (or the failure to execute) by individuals.

Apart from the previous 6.25 years working for a small business, the previous 32+ years I have worked for huge fortune 500 corporations with many thousands of employees. I am also looking forward to going back to that again. The small business experience was wonderful until it wasn't.

And, another plus is that I can continue working remotely. I haven't worked from a corporate office location since 2000. I have been a remote employee ever since, before the term "remote" was even invented. Most of the jobs I applied for would have required working on-site daily or hybrid with with only 1 or 2 days a week remote. I'm so glad I don't have to waste time behind a windshield going to/from work and battling traffic every day.

3 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Nova Lake is looking like the return of Intel, but it is going to cost. A Z990 mobo is going to be expensive. Stepping down to  Z970 and you are losing a lot of PCIe lanes - BCLK OC'ing. If the rumors of the top NL chips costing over 1000 are true, we are back in the days of HEDT - but only two memory channels. Lastly, still no ECC memory support unless you go W980. 

 

I am not sure whether it is going to be AMD or Intel that offers the first mainstream platform with quad channel memory support, but it needs to happen. 

I sure hope so (return of Intel and back to HEDT and more PCIe lanes). This has been the longest amount of time I have ridden an AMD donkey. It is the first time the experience was respectable and not plagued with functionality issues, yet with overclocking being my primary source of computer satisfaction it feels so lackluster, mediocre, subdued and limiting in comparison to what I had grown used to with Intel. I've also heard some very bad things (like no longer having "unlimited" power and current options in the firmware) and want to see how those things shake out before calling it a win for Intel.

My start date for the new job is 2/23. I'm excited about that. My 90-day unpaid "vacation" has been a real test of faith. As an added blessing, (thank you Lord,) it will be a compensation upgrade, so as long as the new Intel prices are not too off the rails NVIDIA-level stupid and the performance rumors turn out to be true I will likely be looking to make the move back to Team Blue. I'm not going to shoot until I see the whites of their eyes. In an era where lying and misrepresentation are normal marketing tactics, early adoption isn't very smart. 

Since Linux developers seem to not be hardware junkies and early adopters, it usually takes a while for Linux support to surface as well. Since Micro$lop Windoze is no longer my OS of choice that also needs to be looked at before leaping. I fully expect that there will be no driver support for Windoze 10 and the feces OS (Winduhz 11 ) will likely be the only OS supported. One step forward, two steps backward.

57 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Unfortunately this is the future. Blame the cheaters, but true multiplayer is where the bulk of the $$$ is made not single player campaigns.

 

As a former competitive fps player and still seeing rampant cheating going on in the games I play, I'm ok with this.

 

Again, I don't like the "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" approach and single player campaigns being hit, but I get exactly where they're coming from. I'm sure they've run the numbers and know which side butters their bread.

That only partially makes sense and doesn't explain why they are going full Nazi retard and forcing such draconian anti-cheat blocks on single-player campaign. I honestly think it is as much a social engineering experiment to see how all of the zombie gamer sheeple react to being told how things are going to happen and driven by nefarious intentions as much or more than the surface-level appearance of an effort to make cheating more difficult. And yes, I do fully expect the gaming sheeple to value their online gaming experience more than personal freedom and autonomy. When a game uses a different EXE and config file for SP vs MP forcing this feces on everyone carte blanche is purely a butthead dictator move.

53 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

5090 at $5090. Yet, MSI went cheapo and used some lower quality thermal pads. For +5000$ gamer card... Why not put more of the money in the quality than useless gimick accorisies that don't make the product better? You should expect everything top notch when you charge 2,5 times over the org MSRP for 5090 FE.

 

"The thermal pads with a thermal conductivity of only 3.3 W/mK, which we also find on the VRMs, are more in the lower mid-range and only meet basic heat transfer requirements".

 

MSI GeForce RTX 5090 Lightning Z Review – A lightning-fast and thirsty unicorn battling NVIDIA's clock speed limits

Totally absurd and such a low-value. Sad.

It is nice that not all tech is crazy overpriced. My wife and I last purchased phones 5 years ago. We have been using our OnePlus 8T phones since early 2021. I finally decided to upgrade them and our new Google Pixel 10 Pro XL phones are out for delivery today. The price is essentially the same for the new Pixels as what I paid for the new OnePlus phones (within $25 of the same). I chose the Pixel for both of us not only because of their outstanding quality, but also because I am going to be using GrapheneOS rather than Android. Time to give Google the same treatment as Micro$lop.