Mr. Fox

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

lol, you do know we're just teasing ya @tps3443 right? I consider you a friend, and I know with my friends we constantly joke around with each other. 🤣

Yes, I am sure he does know. He has to know he is our buddy and we think very highly of him. But even so, sometimes a guy feels like an underdog if everyone has a different opinion. The important thing is that a person doesn't change his opinion based only on what others think in order to have their approval or feel accepted in the echo chamber, but it is OK to change it because you have changed your mind as an exercise of your own volition. 

46 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

5090FE is fine man. If I didn't like it, I would not keep it that's for sure lol!  I had a 4090 Gaming OC and @johnksss that thing was cheap as hell, flimsy, light weight, and loud as hell with bad coil whine, but not this card, this card feels nice and premium and heavy etc. So, it's okay for $1,999.99  (People do try to convince me that my own GPU sucks though, they do not like it, that I like it I guess 🤣) Last I checked, Astral+Block = $4,000, too much for me to afford. But at least they perform TOP NOTCH once you water block it, flash it, and solder it.. Yes, the FE's have weak coolers; I cannot hold that against it. It's going on water/shunt anyways. I mean, your Astral is probably faster than an RTX Pro 6000, but that doesn't mean it's better than one.  FE's have weak coolers but not weak cores. Definitely an acceptable GPU for the price tag and performance. 

Card scores perfectly acceptable for a stock cooler, hot, non-shunted 5090 FE. Plenty of other 5090's that cannot hit these numbers out there, and this is the hottest one you can buy. 🥵


NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 video card benchmark result - Intel Xeon W-3175X Processor,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG DOMINUS EXTREME

I'm glad you don't care what other people think. That is how it should be. It only matters if it affects them and this doesn't. The fact that you like it is all that matters. There are some people that make their decisions based on what their friends think is best or coolest, (without anything else to base it on,) which is really dumb.

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

thx for the headsup, ive actually tried those in the RGB version (lights manually switched off for daily operation and stress testing, i just go with the RGB version for higher resale value), but no luck on my mobo.

 

BUT

 

the four additional kits of the G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-8000 F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK arrived yesterday! This is the 1.35V sku, there is also a 1.30V sku under the same model number, which is the kit that ran 8000 stable in my previous testing.

Im now testing the 8 sticks individually and so far i havent found an upper limit for the first stick LOL. DDR5-8400 running well, upping in 100 Mhz steps 🙂 Will update you guys once i know more 😄 

Ofc im aware that with two sticks the frequency limit will be lower, but this nevertheless already bodes well. First time ever ive even seen anything boot up and run stable at 8100 Mhz or above on my mobo 🙂 

Yeah, I think I am going to return this kit for a refund. It performs quite well but I cannot stop it from erroring out. So far every Intel XMP 48GB kit I have tested on the AORUS B850 Elite, X870E Master, X670E Gene and X870E Apex has not been capable of being stablized and every EXPO kit has. I think I am going to stop wasting my time with XMP. Something is off with the XMP profiles that isn't good for Ryzen. What is weird is if I have stable setting with an EXPO kit and replace it with an equivalent XMP kit the stablity is gone even with the same manual memory tuned setting. I can't really explain that. There is something different. The 48GB EXPO kits are also harder to tune than 32GB EXPO kits.

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am testing this kit on the AORUS Master since they claim DDR5-8600 support. I suspect these will easily support that if the motherboard and CPU are capable. Bonus: No rainbow puke and no bloatware needed to kill it.

 

@jaybee83 this just booted and ran fine with the Intel XMP-8400 profile. The only adjustment I made was maxing out tREFI and turned off GDM/PMU manual to 0. I didn't touch voltage or anything else on the memory. Even the latency is good for no tweaking and sloppy default XMP settings. Now I am going to see what Gigabyte AI Snatch does. I just discovered that. Let's see if it is a gimmick.

What do you think about the black tubing @Papusan versus clear? (I already know your answer.) I think this turned out quite nice. Very industrial and pseudo steampunk looking with the black and chrome with white LED.

I am testing this kit on the AORUS Master since they claim DDR5-8600 support. I suspect these will easily support that if the motherboard and CPU are capable. Bonus: No rainbow puke and no bloatware needed to kill it.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

He did some changes to his pc. + maintenance. Aka he did a few disconnects of the trash cable. Once he should start use it the Astral monitoring showed imbalanced amps. Total out of specs. He bough new cable and everything was well again. Just show how unreliable this tiny trash is. Aka saved by the Astral monitoring. nvidia should have done what Asus did with the ROG tax and implemented monitoring of the power pins/rails. Maybe they don't like critics of Nvidia?

Everything would be so much better if NVIDIA would just admit 8-pin legacy PCIe power connections are better and recommend their AIB partners go back to it. But, they'll never do that. It is hard to respect people or companies that cannot admit that sometimes change is not good and demonstrate unwillingness to correct their own mistakes. Pretending to be right when it is obvious to everyone they are wrong makes them unworthy of respect.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Looks like NVIDIA moderators removed the post. What did it say?

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Signal RGB is *almost* perfect for controlling all my devices. For some odd reason, it appears it won't work with AMD GPUs? It controls my Steel Series, Razor and Asus devices perfectly. Luckily the 9070xt has minimal RGB on it.

 

 

Give Argus Monitor a try. It works for RGB and fan controls on all of the ASUS and Gigabyte motherboards I have used it on. I disable all of the drive and temperature monitoring, system tray temperature icons and other things I do not care about (I have HWiNFO64 for that). The UI looks a little bit dated, but the important thing is that it works well for me for controlling the fans and RGB headers. It also does not need to stay running once the settings are applied.

In spite of my high ambient temps, (30°C/86°F water) this BarrowCH RAM cooler does a nice job, especially considering it is not a direct touch block. After 30 minutes of TM5 the temps were the same at about 3 minutes of TM5 with the stock garbage heating blankets, and I couldn't run more than about 5 minutes until TM5 would start spitting out errors and the modules were close to 62°C. I just couldn't see spending over $100 for another IceMan direct-touch RAM block. The 4-DIMM version has to weigh a ton as the 2-DIMM version is insanely heavy.

The water temperature gauge on the RAM block also matches exactly my Thermaltake meter.

On 5/18/2025 at 1:07 PM, Mr. Fox said:

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Item #3: Intel Core i9 14900KF - $375 + Shipping

 

14900KF (SP104_P116_E82_MC88) w/ lapped Copper IHS SP Rating Photos

(the MC SP is a screenshot saved from when it was in an Apex since Strix has no MC SP)

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On 5/18/2025 at 1:07 PM, Mr. Fox said:

SP104 CPU - Lapped Copper IHS

Only item remaining is the 14900KF (SP104). Everything else has sold. @YoungChris at oc.net is interested but having to scrape up the cash. It's not being held for him. First-come, first-serve.

I've got a WireView and WireView Pro that I am not able to use any longer. I sold the Gigabyte 4090 that one was used on and the other one will not fit my 4090 Suprim with the new Alphacool Core waterblock. (It did fit with the Byksi block.) I will probably list both of them and the MSI 4090 Byski block. If anyone is interested before I list them drop me a PM to let me know.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

In Intel's defense, the E-cores on arrowlake are much better than RPLs but I still want a proper P-core only CPU. You might be right in the pursuit of Xeons.

^^^ This ^^^ AND, Hyperthreading. Super-retarded that they did away with that. In fact, this is the primary reason I went with an AM5 build. Had Core Ultra 285K not been missing hyperthreading I am 99% certain I would have bought A Z890 Apex and 285K instead of 9950X. They screwed themselves extra hard on that one, and customers have spoken loudly with their wallets. Overall, I still think Intel has a better platform than AMD and I am sad they've screwed it up by making stupid choices. (Why does it seem like I am saying this frequently about all brands now? Because they are all idiots. None of them deserve our support at this point, only our wrath.)

On 5/18/2025 at 1:07 PM, Mr. Fox said:

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Item #3: Intel Core i9 14900KF - $375 + Shipping

 

14900KF (SP104_P116_E82_MC88) w/ lapped Copper IHS SP Rating Photos

(the MC SP is a screenshot saved from when it was in an Apex since Strix has no MC SP)

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On 5/18/2025 at 1:07 PM, Mr. Fox said:

SP104 CPU - Lapped Copper IHS

Only item remaining is the 14900KF (SP104). Everything else has sold. @YoungChris at oc.net is interested but having to scrape up the cash. It's not being held for him. First-come, first-serve.

I've got a WireView and WireView Pro that I am not able to use any longer. I sold the Gigabyte 4090 that one was used on and the other one will not fit my 4090 Suprim with the new Alphacool Core waterblock. (It did fit with the Byksi block.) I will probably list both of them and the MSI 4090 Byski block. If anyone is interested before I list them drop me a PM to let me know.

2 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

Interesting video. I wonder what causes the drastic differences in 1% lows to flip flop depending on the game. I'm guessing it has something to do with inter-CCD latencies and the fact that not both CCDs have the 3D VCache, which in my opinion is a bad idea. Homogeneous designs yield the highest performance.

 

So looks like for Intel to reclaim the performance crown, they need to do 2 things:

1. Add their own version of 3D Vcache underneath their CPU cores (I believe they have something similar to that, which they call Adamantine cache)

 

2. Get rid of the stupid E-cores and make all cores P-cores. I don't get the point of the E-cores. All they do is reduce performance for the most part, so I leave them turned off since leaving the E-cores turned off significantly increases my performance in pretty much everything, with games getting the biggest boost. I only had one case when using my 14900KF where they increased performance, and performance didn't increase by that much. Tripling your core count to get only a 17% increase in performance is an insanely bad ROI in relation to the amount of extra cores (yes, I know the core types don't have the same processing power, but even assuming the E-cores are half the processing power of the P-cores, it's still a very bad performance increase in relation to the number of extra cores). Intel's server class Xeon CPUs have all P-cores and they perform great due to not being shackled by E-cores. No weird scheduling shenanigans.

 

Since Intel doesn't seem to want to ditch their E-core idea, we may have to move to their server class CPUs to escape the E-core insanity.

It seems like all of the hardware manufacturers are full of bad ideas. They are the proverbial "insane clown posse" by most measurement. Stupid is the new normal in their line of business. Maybe we should form our own posse, saddle up and go take them out. Right now we are surrounded and outnumbered by stupid, but we can use WMDs to level the playing field. Intel, AMD, NVIDIA, Apple, Microsoft, Google, Meta... the list of dishonest, crooked, stupid idiots that are only capable of stupidity is a long one. Even when they do something right it gets tainted by their abject stupidity and immorality.

Everyone that purchased parts on overclock.net has been thrilled with their purchases. Especially the guy that bought the Gene parts combo. He made out like a bandit, LOL. Nice to see good parts getting put to use instead of collecting dust on my spare parts shelf. I still have the Strix combo with the excellent bin 13900KS and G.SKILL 7200 kit and the SP104 14900KF for sale. If the Strix combo doesn't sell by the time I do the second AORUS Master build I will probably sell it locally on Facepoot Marketplace as a working system minus GPU or with the old Titan Black GPU. That would probably be better anyhow because I would have to figure out how to get rid of the Antec C8.

While I am waiting for Central Computer to send a replacement for the AORUS Master that was damaged from the NVMe heatsink slamming around inside of the unopened motherboard box, the XL EVO and distro block to arrive I decided to go ahead and integrate the RAM water cooling on the existing beast. I used the EK manifold for this as I usually do, but mounted it to a new place. This will also make it easy to connect the chiller and bypass the radiators. The QDC fitting for cold water leaving the chiller is on the dual D5 pump housing (same place as before) and the "hot" water going back to the chiller will use the QDC fitting on the EK manifold. It still purging the air from the loop, but working well otherwise.

So, the internal loop routes like this:

1. D5 pump/res > RAM block in
2. RAM block out > EK manifold
3. EK Manifold > CPU in
4. CPU out > EK manifold
5. EK manifold > Top radiator
6. Top radiator > Rear X-Flow radiator
7. Rear X-Flow radiator > Bottom radiator
8. Bottom radiator > IceMan Dual D5 block
9. Dual D5 block > GPU in
10. GPU out > D5 pump/res

Using the chiller the routing will be:

1. Chiller out > IceMan Dual D5 block
2. Dual D5 block > GPU in
3. GPU out > D5 pump/res
4. D5 pump/res > RAM block in
5. RAM block out > EK manifold
6. EK Manifold > CPU in
7. CPU out > EK manifold
8. EK manifold > Chiller in

12 minutes ago, Reciever said:

The source on that is very unreliable from what little I understand on the matter. Would be pretty cool if true, but AMD many times now already said they arent targeting high-end, more so marketshare which is the logical course of action given how little they have.

 

It better have 2 12VHPWR cables if it exists, 600w is not a lot of headroom for a card that operates @ 450w. I was pulling probably close to 775w-815w on my 7900 XTX. I need to get one of those Kill-a-Watt's to be more sure.

I was watching a Moore's Law is Dead video and apparently it is based on some leaked benchmarks.

As long as the temps are not 100°C I would gladly buy a 4090-level AMD card for the price of a 5080 or less. So, I hope it is true, but we shall see. AMD really doesn't cater to performance enthusiasts. Their niche is more geared toward mainstream on everything.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

@tps3443

 

Have you heard the rumor that shunt modding the 5090 FE does nothing? I hope it isn't true.

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29472599/

 

If I had to wager I would bet that it's true because NVIDIA is who they are... control freaks. If they can find a way to screw the people that buy their products that is exactly what they will do. That's how they roll and who they are, and that is how they have been for a long time. Also one of the numerous reasons I dislike FE video cards.

And, on a happier note, I ordered my second Lian Li O11D XL EVO to house the second AORUS Master. Also ordered a D5 distro block from Radikult Customs and about 12 feet of Alphacool EDPM tubing.

Now I hear rumors of a 9080 XT with 32GB of GDDR7. I am so glad I didn't blow $3000+ on a 5090 already. Now it is no longer even tempting. Not caring actually feels really good.

12VHPWR or whatever popular thing they are calling today, or whatever they decide to rename it tomorrow, is truly a POS connector that never should have seen the light of day. It is a sketchty, ill-conceived, fragile, unreliable and dangerous piece of crap. Nothing they can do to it--ever--will make it a good and reliable power cable. The group at NVIDIA responsible for bringing this abortion to market need to be stripped naked and caned in public until dead, then resuscitated, their employment terminated, citizenship revoked and then deported to a far away horrible place where life is miserable. 

15 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

this is with the silicon lottery in mind. check and see which sticks clock the highest and then pair up the two best ones to maximize OC ability. i figured since were talking 4 kits of the same SKU mixing and matching wouldnt be as bad as doing so between different kits.

As long as the seller is not keeping track of serial numbers in a kit you can do that. If they are they might refuse your return/refund if you keep the two best modules out of more than one memory kit. Physically there is nothing preventing that and it makes sense from a binning perspective.

42 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

i am actually considering to now test the individual sticks and just pair the two best performing ones, what do u guys think?

Only if you think one of them is bad, or if you are concerned about one of the motherboard DIMM slots having a problem. Otherwise, I am not sure what you would accomplish. If you are not planning to use it with one stick of RAM then probably no point in finding how far it can go with one stick installed.

This is not tuned, just settings I suspected would boot and run. I haven't tried 8600 yet, but it looks like 8200 and 8400 aren't too hard, even with GDM disabled. Can probably do more enabled. I suspect 8600 will work as well. But, the performance doesn't move a lot because the CPU architecture is the bottleneck. Still impressive for a 4-DIMM board.

Well, the AORUS Master arrived damaged, so I had to reach out to Central about expediting a replacement. I just discovered it when I opened the box less than an hour ago to install it. The big NVMe heat sink below the GPU slot was loose and banging around in transit and breaking things. It is after hours for them, so probably will hear from them sometime tomorrow.

On October 14, 2025, Microsoft will end support for Windows 10.

Ironically, October 14 is also International E-waste Day.

You just can't make this stuff up. 

On October 14, 2025, Microsoft will end support for Windows 10.

Ironically, October 14 is also International E-waste Day.

You just can't make this stuff up.

13 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

what were the temps before?

 

i just finished benching the Teamgroup kit one last time and switched over to the "golden" kit at 8000, starting to tighten up timings 🙂 

Depending on how hot my office is, between 90-95°C with the same BIOS settings. So, roughly 15-20°C core max reduction. Very clear and unmistakable improvement. Basically mirrored the improvement seen on the first 9950X delid/bare die upgrade. This is using the Thermal Grizzly Mycro Pro direct die block.

So, I delidded the second 9950X and, yes, nice temperature drop. 74.9°C core max in Cinebench R23.

Only items #1 and #3 remain. All other items sold.

3 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

Soooo. turns out silicon lottery is real, even with RAM kits. The second Trident Z5 Neo turned out significantly better than the first one, at least being able to make it halfway through testing at DDR5-7800.

Secondly, pricing is NO indicator whatsoever when it comes to OC ability on a given mobo. Among all the kits tested, the Kingston Fury was the most expensive (387€ vs. 298€ 2nd place, 270€ avg. and 229€ cheapest kit) but actually performed the worst, erroing out pretty much instantly at 7600. For comparison, the "golden" DDR5-8000 kit i found only cost me 266€, so a tad below average!

 

So this only leaves the 1.35V older sku of the G.Skill 8000 kit, which unfortunately got cancelled / refunded by the shop i ordered with. However, since that kit is specifically the only one listed on the QVL of the X670EE ill try to get my hands on it from a different source. im just too curious to see how it holds up with the 1.30V variant (secretly hoping i might be able to push 8100/8200 😛).

 

so anyways, hope this data might help out someone here! i certainly was an eye opener for me, thanks to bro @Mr. Foxfor putting those silly thoughts into my head 😄 

 

now to initiate the bunch of returns for all the "loser kits" 😛 and hoping to get all my money back 😄 

 

conclusion for now:

4 out of 9 max out at 7400 MT/s, so basically half (including my current TG DDR5-8200 kit)

4 out of 9 max out at 7600 MT/s

1 out of 9 is able to do 8000 MT/s

 

Notes:

Striked through: Out of the race

Blue: current champ

Percentage in parenthesis: how far did the stress test go before it errored out

 

8000 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048E24GX2-TZ5RK 1.30V (newer SKU) = 7600 / 7800 / 8000 / 8100 (Win Logon)

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK 1.35V (older SKU)

G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 1 = 7600 (1%)

G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB F5-8000J4048G24GX2-TZ5NR Kit 2 = 7600 / 7800 (49%)

Patriot Memory PVXR548G80C38K = 7600 / 7800 (3%)

Kingston Fury KF580C36RLAK2-48 = 7600 (0%)

Lexar ARES Gen2 RGB LD5U24G80C40BR-RGD = 7600 (20%)

 

8200 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB F5-8200J4052F24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (97%)

 

8400 Mhz

G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB SP-8400J4052G24GX2-TZ5RK = 7600 / 7800 (1%)

You would be surprised how many people I have told this to that do not believe me, LOL. It is absolutely for real a lottery, in some ways even worse than the CPU lottery. Only about one in five or six memory kits I have owned (DDR4 and DDR5) have actually worked correctly at their advertised speeds with default XMP profiles, etc. and only one out of two that did work correctly as advertised were actually worth keeping for overclocking. So, about 2 out of 10 that worked as advertised with 1 of those 2 samples actually being good enough to keep and not RMA for a refund. I have returned more garbage memory kits than I can keep track of.